Do you feel some people get off on drama? I do, I think some people need it more than oxygen. It is looking like Scamming Sophia found the COTH thread and posted a very interesting response.
From the thread (Fugly responses in red):
I have people on the Facebook pages, screen shooting EVERYTHING being said. I am only going to reply to the main things in this forum, and we will all be done with it. I have HARD evidence on my part, and I will be showing it in court.
Let’s start with “Voices for Horses.” A friend of mine and I were selling coffee, for a well known organic gold company. We were called by an agency, and explained what we were doing. They said we did NOT need a 501c, or whatever form it was, because we were not posing as a rescue. When anything sold, we only got the difference between the warehouse price and the price it was being sold as. Each box would have approximately a $5 difference. The seller of the coffee and I were working together to try to raise money for a local rescue. I NEVER posed as diamonds in the rough. I said that any proceeds we got, would go to a local rescue LIKE diamonds in the rough, as an EXAMPLE! We admit to misrepresenting where money was going to decieve people. We had a deadline on when we could sell the coffee through the company. We hit the deadline with absolutely no sales. I am as good at selling coffee as I am at training horses. If we made any sales, we would have written a check to a rescue. Which one? We aren’t telling! I thought I was doing a good thing trying to raise money for a rescue, instead of keeping the money to ourselves. What money I thought you didn’t sell anything?! I deleted the page, because I was not going to deal with the drama.
I posted on a forum about how to help a “hot” horse. I was only asking the question, to see what people did. Shadow was never “hot.” He is one of the calmest Thoroughbreds I have ever known. I thought you were a trainer, surely you have dealt with this before.
I decided to sell both my horses, due to my pregnancy. I knew I wouldn’t have the time to be with them. I also knew I wouldn’t physically be able to care for them. I had them appraised, and I asked for what the appraisal was. My board was coming to a close soon and winter was coming, so I dramatically lowered their prices hoping to find a good home for both of them, before I got to far in my pregnancy.
I never asked people to give me feed/hay. I asked where I could buy some, and the cheapest place to buy it.
Now let’s talk about Shadow, the Thoroughbred I bought in Chesapeake. He was a former Polo Pony, but was released due to height requirements. I was informed he did buck the original’s owner off. After bringing him to the barn I was at, I rode him. He did completely fine. I rode him almost everyday, my friend rode him, and my boyfriend at the time rode him. We never had him do anything wrong. I decided to lease him out, so I posted him on Craigslist. The leaser NEVER once complained about anything, but the leaser was caught (by multiple people) abusing Shadow. One day, the leaser brought her boyfriend out to ride Shadow. Her boyfriend made the decision to wear spurs, and he FELL off after Shadow made a sharp turn. Her boyfriend was NOT an experienced rider (Which he told us he was) and he wanted to canter. We all saw how that went, and he did not get hurt. It was RIDER ERROR! I was NOT the one who called the Police. My leaser called the police because she was “hit in the face” by a woman. I did not believe my leaser, and I was not going to get into the middle of it. I terminated her lease shortly after that day. If anyone else got bucked off riding, they were probably not suppose to be on Shadow. Another leaser I had would just run him, then put him away sweaty…so I terminated her lease as well. I had another leaser named A who told me she was a trainer. Pot, Kettle? I allowed her to ride Shadow, and she was caught by multiple witnesses doing things she wasn’t suppose to be doing. I asked her to stop, and she threatened me. Her lease was then terminated and I did get a protection order, because she threatened to harm me. Evidence proved so in court, and I won. No one ever mentioned ANYTHING about him bucking. Shadow was ridden by kids and beginners with no problems until I sold Shadow to a lady. She is learning how to ride on Shadow with a trainer by her side. She LOVES him and has her kids riding him too.
Now let’s move on to our current problem. I bought an Arabian in Suffolk in the beginning of July from a lady. The lady with no name! She told us her house caught on fire earlier, and she could not afford to keep Spirit. We PAID this lady, and Spirit was rightfully ours. He was in a SMALL pen, knee high in mud. He was severely underweight (we have photo evidence of the day we bought him). The person we bought him from was very emotional, and did not give us much background on him (besides he was beginner safe). After getting him off the trailer, we gave him a bath. He was completely covered in mud. That is when we found out he had an abscess blow out, and we called a farrier to work on it ASAP. We started riding him, and he was very good. I let my friend use him for trails, and she had no problems. We moved him to a barn in Suffolk. By this time, he had already gained over 100lbs and the abscess was already half way out. So you were riding him with the abscess half in? This barn was not a 24/7, so we had to stall him overnight. He was a little pushy when leading him into his stall, but other than that, he had no problems. He was still being ridden 3 times a week, to build his muscle. I decided to sell him in August, as I am pregnant, and being around horses is not the best idea. Where were the other two horses or is this a different pregnancy? I have screen shots of my original post, and it clearly says he is for an experienced individual because he is pushy around food and high strung/energetic. He never threw kicks, bucks, and he never bit anyone. I had a K.B message me about him, and I even told her he was pushy and high strung. She agreed to come out and test him. She rode, and the only thing he did was walk away from the mounting block. KB told my friend and I, that she was experienced and she grew up riding/being around horses. I made a payment plan with KB, which was reasonable. She signed a payment contract, and always talked so well about Spirit. I was contacted by a lady named J, claiming to be the original owner of Spirit. She told me she SOLD him to the person we bought him from with a no re-sale contract. I asked J to provide me this contract, and gave J several weeks (almost two months) to do so. She would always tell me she was out of town, busy, etc. J only came out to the barn twice, and still never brought any paperwork with her both time. I asked J to fax it or email it, and she still would not do so. I told J (more than 30 days in advance) that I was selling spirit, and I cannot do anything for her without her original contract. KB asked me to get J’s permission to sell Spirit. J gave me permission, and I even had a section in the contract for J to sign if she wished to. It was never signed by J, because she was ”out of town” again. I even noted in the contract that J had not given us any kind of proof that J was the original owner. K signed the contract knowing this. Between August and the End of September, KB only came out 3 times. We let her make a final payment, that was lower than the price we agreed on. Spirit was listed for $1000, but we allowed KB to pay $785, and we even trailered Spirit FREE of cost to the new location. KB saw us load Spirit with no problems, along with her husband and my husband. I agreed to give K a saddle set from the beginning, but I was not going to give up my nice saddle for free. So I bought K a consignment saddle. I had already given her a large discount on Spirit. Every time I asked K how Spirit was doing, I always got good feedback. On November 1, Spirit was moved without my knowledge. I found out he had moved by dropping off blankets to this new barn, and being told that was Spirit. I have a signed paper from the barn owner saying it was Spirit. My contract states K may not move Spirit without my knowledge. All she had to do is send me something saying that Spirit was moving. K gave me an excuse DAYS later, saying she sent me a text from a hotel phone in Puerto Rico. I have been VERY flexible with K at this point. I wasn’t going to reposes Spirit, or take K to court. Spirit had only gained about 50lbs since she has owned him. I thought you had already put all his weight back on. You were riding him right? You wouldn’t ride a horse that needed weight or encourage that behavior would you? We went and visited Spirit in his field, and he did fine. On November 11, K texted me saying she was SELLING Spirit. I asked her why, and she told me that Spirit was dangerous (after knowing Spirit since August, and Owning Spirit since September). K NEVER once mentioned that Spirit was dangerous, and K even sent me photos of her daughter riding Spirit. I told K I would take Spirit back, but I was not providing her a refund (that is what the refund policy was in the contract). I told Karen she could sell Spirit (since she seems to only be out to get the money she paid, from what she told me), as long as it was to a good home and I knew who he was going to. I even told her I would find a buyer, and she told me I had two weeks to do so. On Wednesday the 12, K then told me she was going to sue me for selling Spirit under false pretenses and that I need to pay her, for her to drop the charges she made against me. She then demanded she was going to my husband’s command to tell them to take money out of his paycheck. I told K once more, to sell Spirit and I was done with her. He wasn’t my problem anymore. K has owned him for two months and now all of the sudden, he is dangerous. K constantly demands that I pay her, and then she will drop the charges. I told K to stop contacting me, but she continues to do so (asking for money). She is trying to charge me for slandering her name, but she is doing the exact same thing to me along with a bunch of other people.
I am just warning you that anything badly said about me with my name in it, is called Defamation of Character. Best defense to libel litigation is the truth. If this does not stop immediately, I WILL go to the magistrate. You guys have RUINED my name, company, and my husband’s name under false statements. Please get a freakin’ life, and leave me and my husband alone now. All you guys have is opinions that are not backed by any kind of evidence. Luckily, I have all the evidence I need. So stop this childish game, and go do something better.
This is the last of my words. No one will hear from me after this. I do not care what else people have to say. Only evidence knows the real truth. Good bye. I am taking my toys and leaving!