Nice horses!!! Cheap – $100
Jan 25 2012
Apparently we’re using the term “nice” to describe anything and everything these days…
“Older couple trying to sell out! Herd number got outta control selling cheap for fast results. Percheron thourobred crosses, quarter horse, and thourobred. They have 1 curly mained palimino mare very sweet 9 year old is broke to ride just been a while $100, bay mare x jump horse 15 years old registered rode 6 months ago is tenderfooted on front end $100, quarter horse mare sorrel blonde main 5 years old very pretty $100, 2 blackish fillies around two years old one real gentle one has never been handled $50 for one $75 for the other, grey stud thourobred percheron cross $50 2 year old, FREE older thourobred grey 17 hand gelding one knee bigger then the other rides just been a while, FREE older percheron mare poor, not gentle only be good for breeding, FREE arabain pony never been handled stud 3 year old.FREE crippled filly and black gelding the gelding is sweet.”
Since when do mares get pregnant, drop a foal, and get pregnant again in the span of mere weeks? Gosh, you’d think something like that would make the news. Does the accelerated aging/growth continue past birth or is it limited to in utero foals? Perhaps these people would be kind enough to explain to us how this is accomplished. And, if they haven’t already, let’s patent it and make a fortune! Hazza!
Oh no wait, we know, all of a sudden their horses spontaneously and concurrently reproduced via mitosis? Now that could generate quite the herd!
No? Not buying it? Neither are we. But honestly, those are the only scenarios we could conceive of wherein their herd numbers could get “outta control”. Given that a mare’s gestation period is approximately 11 months – how the fuck does the growth of a herd sneak up on someone and become “outta control”?
More than likely they’re just complete fucktards who have their heads so far up their own asses that they lack the basic deductive skills to calculate the following
1 stallion + 1 mare = 1 more mouth to feed
“bay mare x jump horse 15 years old registered rode 6 months ago is tenderfooted on front end $100” –WTF is a “jump horse”? THAT IS NOT A BREED! Hmm 15 year old horse with tender front feet… we’re taking bets on navicular vs. laminitis/founder - anyone want in on that action?
“grey stud thourobred percheron cross $50 2 year old” and “FREE arabain pony never been handled stud 3 year old” Good gawd, please don’t tell us they’re the sires of any of your “outta control” herd. *face palm* If they aren’t contributing to the gene pool yet they will be if they’re not rehomed soon!
“FREE older percheron mare poor, not gentle only be good for breeding”. What in that sentence makes her “good for breeding” – just because you can’t do anything with her? Over at Snarky Rider we have a saying: Just because it has a uterus doesn’t mean it needs a baby. Applies quite nicely here. Seriously, we’re going to start putting that on bumper stickers or something and start mailing it to asshats like this.
And last, but certainly not least, we unfortunately have “FREE crippled filly and black gelding the gelding is sweet”. So the crippled filly isn’t sweet? Could she perhaps be a little bit ornery because they’ve somehow crippled her? Ok, it’s a bit of a leap to assume these people are the cause of the filly’s lameness, but come on. It’s not exactly a stretch of the imagination in this case.
Why is it that people like this can’t get it into their heads that just because their horse isn’t suited for the show ring doesn’t mean they should be popping out babies! A fugly, useless mare is not magically transformed into a useful horse when you have it impregnated. All you’ve succeeded in doing is compounding the problem. In 11 months you’ll have 2 useless mouths to feed! You know what’s sad? These people are apparently an older couple – they should know better. In our society, age is somehow equated with wisdom – presumably the assumption stems from people gathering life experiences as they age and learning from them, however, this is clearly not always the case. People like this serve as nothing more than a reminder that we should always think for ourselves and be very careful who we choose as role models.
Damn, that got a little preachy. Oh well 
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I’m figuring that these horses most likely weren’t all bred by this couple. They may have “collected” them over the past couple of years… taking in unwanted horses..until they turned around and said “dang we got a lot of mouths to feed!” Some people can’t leave an auction without buying something.. or hear of a horse in need and step in… one day they realized that they didn’t have the resources or the skill to really deal with what they had.. so they are trying to unload them.
Actually, I think they probably were. Notice one of their two mentioned studs they are getting rid of is a “thourobred percheron cross” and the second line of their ad says they have “percheron thourobred crosses” to sell. Oh look! Setting a stud loose in a pasture means lots of babies a year later. Who knew?
I still think that by the descriptions that a lot of these horses are unrelated.. now a few of them might be.. but it looks more like folks that tried to take in too many throw-away horses.. probably without sufficient resources to keep them separated.. At least they realized they were over their heads before the numbers exploded.. they are trying to get rid of 10 horses.. (I think.. kindof hard to understand all of their post). Maybe they did have a few oops babies.. and realized they couldn’t handle the situation? Who knows…
Actually, I think the “older couple” thing is used as a “come on” to make people think they are maybe doing a favour taking these horses, to a poor older couple who can no longer look after all their horses.
News Flash along with reproduction, old age does not happen over night. I am in the process of cutting back, I am getting old and I can see, on the fairly near horizon, the day when I will not be able to look after all my horses properly. I am having trouble doing all their feet as often as I would like to, and no chance of getting a farrier, so, some will be found new homes until I am at a level I can handle easily. This is called “being sensible”
Unless you have a bad accident (which can and does happen and those people get my full support) there is NO reason at all for old age to come as a surprise and these people get no sympathy form me. They bred a load of crappy horses, form crappy stallions and probably form crappy mares, and now they want to off load their rubbish- for money, no less- before this years foals start hitting the ground, and you can be sure that they will.
Cognitive dysfunction can creep up on a person leading to poor decision making, such as taking in more pathetic horses than you can support. Once it advances to dementia/Alzheimer’s disease, family and friends can often look back several years and see signs that were not recognized at the time.
My money is on they probably didn’t think their crappy studs wouldn’t breed their crappy mares. That some how the studs would ignore all of the signals the mares were putting out. Knew a breeder that was on the elderly side but one day she realized she could no longer care for her expansive herd of very well bred and papered horses, so she gave them away to family and friends that wanted them. The thing here is that this breeder I knew of, her horses were in hot demand. They were quality horses that had no blemishes on them, except the one that I had that had old injuries. So of course people were coming to her and asking if they could have a horse. She was selective but she placed the mass majority of her horses in loving homes, keeping the horses that would live out their last days on her property. But these elderly people aren’t breeders. They were reckless in creating more crappy, virtually useless horses. Their are true breeders like the breeder I knew and the people who are reckless and create more useless horses. And how much does anyone want to bet these poor horses will be on a meat truck? I guess it takes all types in the world. The sensible and the senseless……
“My money is on they probably didn’t think their crappy studs wouldn’t breed their crappy mares.”
A self-proclaimed horse trainer told me that once. He’s at least 6′ tall and a pretty big guy, and while watching him lope his 2 year old filly around in a tiny round pen, I said “don’t you think that’s pretty hard on her, especially with her being pregnant?” He said that she couldn’t possibly be pregnant. I pointed out the fact that she had been living in a pasture with his stallion for the past 8 months and he said “No, she’s only 2. [Horse's name] wouldn’t do that. He knows better.” She miscarried a few weeks later.
When I first moved my horse to that property, I had to lead her through the pasture that this guy’s stallion was in to get to the one she was supposed to go in. He didn’t want to catch his stallion first, he kept saying “he won’t do anything, he’s only 5.” When I asked him if he was going to pay my horse’s vet bills if his horse got mine pregnant, he grabbed a halter and held his horse while I led mine through the field.
I’m going to make assumptions based on this person’s PISS POOR grasp of language.
I’m going to assume that these are, in fact, ignorant rednecks.
Like the people who used to live next to me who had a Sheltie-mix bitch and a pitbull-mix dog, neither of which were neutered of course. Because the world is beating down your door for a Sheltie/Pit/Who knows mutt. Hey, you could call it a SHITT!! Anyway, that poor dog had 3 litters while they lived there.
When I gently suggested they at least get the boy dog neutered, the husband took a drag off his smoke and informed me “WE AIN’T RICH PEOPLE.” Of course, they could afford their smokes…..
So many uneducated people think that it’s such a virtue to let “nature take its course,” and wrap it all up with a shiny God’s Will bow. They labor under the misconception that every female critter in the world WANTS to be pregnant. They don’t know anything about horses, NADA. They are not interested in learning. They think that if a horse is friendly, or a pretty color, or has a curly mane, then it’s special and worth $$$ to somebody. Maybe, because thats why they acquired these misbegotten equines in the first place. They really and truly believe that these horses SHOULD be bred, and again, they will probably tie it all in with a religious message of some sort. I’ve dealt with this flavor of “horseperson” for a loooong time, and they are firmly convinced that overrunning the world with worthless horseflesh is a manifestation of Family Values.
These are the people who star on this blog all the time.
Ugh. I think what makes me the most pissed off is the total lack of ANYTHING worth anything in that last. If they are selling out, where exactly are the stellar individuals that are actually worth something? You know– the ones that aren’t crippled, unbroken, ungelded, unregistered, and basically undesirable?
These people are dumping their trash. Yes yes, I know, that’s a harsh attitude, but I refuse to believe that there is not one viable decent horse on their place and in their breeding operation. Good horses DO come cheap these days– if nothing else they aught to have a TB broodmare somewhere in the bunch. But no, the only ones they are ‘downsizing’ are the crap ones that clearly didn’t matter enough to care for, train, or keep sound. And then they want us to pay? Forget it, buddy. Take them in a nice big trailer up to the local sale barn, and send them through the ring. It happens every week.
Last week I was at Shipshewana (Yes, I KNOW, dangerous, but I had to get my truck fixed at a shop nearby). I watched a large pony mare with VERY nice conformation and a pleasant eye led into the ring, followed by her ‘baby’ (coming yearling) which was clearly unbroke, untouched, un-anything. I bet I didn’t need to tell anyone that the mare was bred back, right? She was. To some part Dutch Harness Horse stallion, or maybe a full one, who knows? Even the auctioneer couldn’t help commenting something to the effect of, “I won’t even go there,” when telling us she was bred again. Seriously, she had a completely UNBROKEN, UNHANDLED colt chasing her tail around the ring, and they bred her back??????
The two (three?) sold choice out: Baby brought $30, Momma (and baby to be) somewhere around $70. Momma got a test, and so did baby, so someone must have stepped up to rescue them. Can you imagine the scene when they tried to pull blood on that baby? I almost went out back to watch…..
Your saying is exactly right, and even applies to humans: Just because it CAN breed, doesn’t mean it SHOULD breed.
Add this one: A $500 stud fee does NOT equal a $500 colt. Or evidently even a $50 colt.
I can tell you how something like this happened to a friend. Her non-horse husband said, “If you want to keep your horses , they have to make money. So she bought a very expensive stallion a few years before the market crashed. Year one, she bred all hers mares. They were nicer than the average horses in our community, so she expected the foals to quickly sell. They didn’t. Still expecting crop #1 to sell before they were yearlings, the mares were all rebred. When #2 crop arrived, most of #1 crop were still there. Mares were rebred for crop #3. By the time they arrived, most of #1 and #2 were still there – now giving her weanlings, yearlings, and now two year olds who were need of training. I think she quit breeding after the 4th crop ( bringing her total up to over 20 horses ) – giving her weanlings, yearlings, 2 year old, and now 3 year olds in need of under saddle training. Beautiful horses, well cared for, she’s killing herself to pay for their support, yet only the occasional buyer… and then the market crashed. Now, she has 5,6,7,8 year olds sitting her her barn. She now has thousands more into them than they are worth, even though they ARE nice horses. As a business, it was a flop. As a hobby, it takes every dime she has.
I would like to hope that the “old couple” had better horses and those did sell, but now they are left with the fuglies. I would hope that they didn’t spend their horse career breeding only what they have now. Or, they might have taken in every sad critter in need of a home. Fuglies need love too. I saw an ad for a blind pony yesterday and forced myself not to call and offer it a home. Whatever their story is, at least they realize that they need to be out of the horse business.
Soooo….. why would a horse person marry someone like that? Only sayin.
And why did they not see the writing on the wall sometime before Foal Crop #3 ?
*sigh*
Presumably because he was rich? Or is that too cynical?
My other half isn’t a horse person, but he’d restrain me (and probably have me locked up) if I dared mention the words, oh, our mare could have a foal. Or – lets buy a mare to have a foal. Or anything that increased the mouths to feed without increasing the usefulness of the horses we had.
You know… sometimes the “older” ones are the worst offenders. They think they know everything and won’t listen to actual reason.
I had a run-in with one of those once. Got a very nice “line-bred” gelding because the asshat didn’t think that a sire would breed his daughter. He was truly shocked when the baby hit the ground.
How do such ignorant people actually survive life? Sheesh…
Life’s A Beach
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Again, I chalk it up to the God’s Will mentality, and of course incest isn’t God’s Will.
These are the same people who are shocked when mama barn cats eat their kittens, and that boy dogs sometimes kill their own puppies.
Whenever I hear “Yes I know horses… my grandpa had some!” I’m immediately on high alert.
Ad should read:
We have horses. We don’t want the horses. We let them have sex and they reproduced without our permission. We don’t trim feet, we don’t handle our horses, we don’t believe in vets . We don’t believe in castration and we give a discount of $25 for a blackish filly we couldn’t be bothered to handle. We ain’t much on spelling and don’t care how you spell mane. We have a jump horse gollygee, jumped clear over that there barb wire fence – filly didn’t jump so well, she’s crippled.
Come one, come all, just y’all try loading them there horses in yer trailer. Prices not negotiable, these are speshul horses don’t ya know!
Blondemare back in….and I can spell “I D I O T S”.
I actually just read an ad on Craigslist, something along the lines of:
For sale, fainting and part fainting goats. You catch them and load them, they are free. We catch them for you, they are $75 each.
I’m skeered to even go look at a goat that takes $75 worth of work to catch….
They can’t be that hard to catch if they’re fainting goats, right?
Pop a ballon with a tack and you could have your pick of the herd!
I heard of fainting goats for the first time a couple of months ago. A very rich business connection has a slew of them as pets. To his credit, they are well cared for but who tf wants a genetic mutant as a pet? I don’t get it! To me it’s like HYPP except they don’t (that I know of) die from it. Craziest thing I’ve ever seen, definite conversation starter.
I would anticipate coming around the corner and hollering boo and scooping them up before they get back up would be a failsafe way to catch them. Poor things. People are sooooo all kinds of strange!
Oh honey. They only recently became used as pets. They are traditionally used as bait.
You put them out with an animal that you don’t want killed, and when a predator springs after the flock, it gets the weakest, the slowest… or the one that fainted when startled…..
Ohh, so Thats where they came from…always wondered why anyone would breed for That characteristic.
There’s nature, nurture and…..entertainment? Crazy isn’t it? Thanks for the input but I hope you’re wrong about this ‘use’ and sadly doubt that you are.
Actually, I personally used to have and raise a herd of registered “myotonic” goats, commonly known as fainting goats, and yes as babies they would faint at the slightest sound, but once they are used to seeing people, hearing noises etc, it is a real BITCH to get them to “faint”. In order to register they must be in a full faint to get recognized papers, and getting them to do it on command is no easy task predator or no. Out of my herd of 10, I had one that would faint with water thrown in the air, the rest just looked at me like I was stupid. But to answer WHY anyone would want them, well why do you want an arab, why do you want a pit bull, why do you want a Bulldog, all animals come with “defects” this one just happens to be cool. They are super friendly, easy to care for, don’t do much climbing, and are easier to contain then your average goat, they produce excellent milk and meat, and can be quite good friends for a horse and are cheaper to feed than any pony or mini you could use as a companion. Thier “defect” is NOTHING like HYPP, and a little bit of research goes a really long way in making “ignorant” statements about something you CLEARLY know nothing about!
I love goats but who would breed any animal (or human for that matter) when it has a genetic malformation that causes it to go flat due to excitement? You yourself admit that you’ve gone into a herd of goats throwing water around in an attempt to make them drop. Why? Is this a new form of entertainment at the animals’ expense?
You’re right, I know nothing about this myotonic muscle defect and I would also never perpetuate this type of defect in a goat, dog, horse, cat or any other animal. In nature, these goats would be the first eaten by the predator as Charm said. That in itself states that it’s a weakness.
Choosing fainting goats over the dozens (hundreds?) of other goat breeds would be a choice made to provide for interesting conversation, not for the quality of the milk or the meat for that matter. It is NOT the same as having a preference for a Bulldog over a Chihuahua. If your family member had this disorder, would it be interesting to hide under a bed and spook them and watch while they fell over? No, didn’t think so. And people do have a similar defect which I find neither funny nor reproductive worthy.
Uh, I think she pretty clearly explains why she tried to startle her goats:
“In order to register they must be in a full faint to get recognized papers, and getting them to do it on command is no easy task predator or no. Out of my herd of 10, I had one that would faint with water thrown in the air, the rest just looked at me like I was stupid.
Personally, I don’t get the whole fainting goat thing either. Making an animal fall over like a dead thing really doesn’t do it for me. And I wouldn’t want to perpetuate it. However, they are probably a whole lot healthier than your average bulldog, especially the British Bulldogs, which, in the last 100 years, have been so — what’s the word– warped? by breeding for extreme characteristics that these poor animals can’t even carry out regular life activities without difficulty. Breathing? Painful to listen to. Trotting along? oh, ouch. Giving birth? Better schedule a caesarian section; they now have heads so big that regular birth is difficult, if not impossible. Often they need surgery around their eyes so they can see out. Their teeth can be all kinds of crooked, but as long as they have the right number, they are not penalized. Sad, sad, sad, what people have done to the breed.
I do not profess to be knowledgeable in “fainting goats”. That being said I must call you out on your statement “But to answer WHY anyone would want them, well why do you want an arab” is unto itself the epitome of ignorance. It is no big secret that the Arabian is oldest known breed of riding horse. The complete influence the Arabian horse has had upon the horse breeds of the world cannot really be quantified. All of the equine breeds owe some or all of its existence to the Arab.
I second the objection to the Arab comment as well. Defects? Sure, some inbred show horses might, but that’s of any breed. Apart from the historical aspects mentioned in the other post, I have found them incredibly intelligent, sensitive and personable horses in the right hands. And yes, some of those hands ARE amateur hobby trail rider hands, not just experienced horse people.
YESYESYESYESYESYESYESYES!!!!!!!!
So. Much. Giggling. Was had. XD
-sigh-
I wish my thoroughbred (or is it thourobred?) was part jump horse.
Ah, yes. The classic “this horse is too mental to work, therefore we must make more of it.” Though I must disagree on one point. A significant part of the overpopulation problem is due to the fact that people can’t get it through their heads that a horse doesn’t deserve to reproduce just because it IS suitable for the show ring.
I usually “lurk” on here, lol….. but had to comment ~ “OH.MY.GOD!!” “Older Couple” my ass!! I think they probably thought that THEY were going to be the next big “horse rescue” group and realized that their “jumphorsepaliminoperchoncurleymainedboywonder” horse actually DID what nature intended him to do, breed all of their OTHER “jumphorsepaliminoperchoncurleymainedgirlwonders” and got their “gottagetoutofthebusinessfast” babies~I….just….can’t……. and don’t even get me started on the spelling part……
Tee hee…welcome to the fhotd jungle! Don’t you want a Palimino with a yeller main?
How about a stallion at stud who is the Grandson of the horse that did it all and has great confirmation and temperment lol! Oh and not to mention a kewl color, and you get it all plus a LFG! Of course the stallion has only produced manure for fertilizing and maybe enough of an erection to get a mare pregnant.
They obviously couldn’t have been an older retired couple that kind-heartedly rescued these horses, or bought them at auctions from the meat pen and then decided that they didn’t have enough experience or money to take care of them. I’d like to patent your ability to so clearly judge people and blog about it so accurately from reading an ad on the internet. What happened to researching things before you blogged about it? How can you write about other people taking the time to learn how to care for horses and how to change the way they’re treated when you don’t even take the time to research what you’re writing about. Maybe I’m missing something here, but I think this couple is doing the right thing now given the circumstances. If those horses were never bred in the first place, sure, they’d have been better off and so would the horses that could have taken their place in kind-hearted individuals yards. But people have to learn somehow, and I think whether this couple bred some, or all of the horses themselves (which I doubt because the youngest stallion is 2 and their youngest advertised horses are 2 years old, so unless the arabian pony stud (3) bred at 1 month old… ) they have learned that there isn’t a market (prices are low) and it’s cruel to keep them when they don’t have the experience to do so (herd is outta control). Isn’t that the point of this blog? To educate? Or is it now to point fingures and oust everyone who’s ever made a mistake and learned from it.
I’ve never felt the need to write comments on this blog before because people have always opened conversations from both sides, and I could read valid and honest viewpoints from different experiences people have had. Now I’ve written 3 comments stating my disgust for the writers unethical judging, bias,views lacking a unique viewpoint on the last 3 posts I’ve read. Sorry guys, but I’m checking out. Like I said, quality over quantity might be a good marketing strategy for the rest of your readers that decide they’d like to stay.
Learning from their mistakes is not the same as “selling cheap for fast results” and giving away crippled horses.
And keeping unhandled, crippled horses isn’t kind at any rate. I don’t buy the ignorant thing. With the advent of the internet, education is a keystroke away and mum and pop havene’t lifted a finger for the horses that they chose to own, breed, raise. Life has taught me that snugly and snarkly are probably right on track here. This situation didn’t happen overnight.
I dunno, the most educated & knowledgeable family in my 4H club does not have internet access (but they also do Pony Club.)
I see an awful lot of people simply not CARE to know.
Or they haven’t the foggiest idea that maybe someone’s invented a better way to do something already.
Many people believe that knowledge passed down from an old person, or a relative, or a friend, is automatically GOOD.
People might have cut them some slack if and that is a big IF they had only 1 crop of foals. Realizing the first year that it was going to be hard to off load them; what on Gods’ green earth made them think that yr #2 and #3 would be easier or more lucrative?
Sorry, just because they are OLDER does not mean I have to give them a free pass for having their heads up their asses. I can also imagine that they have a zillion cats that are scrawny and wormy.
My experience is that if people have different kinds of animals; be it dogs, cats, horses, fainting goats, chickens, or rabbits they are either on top of the animal husbandry or EVERYTHING breeds and Noah’s Ark couldnt hold them all.
But people have to learn somehow, and I think whether this couple bred some, or all of the horses themselves (which I doubt because the youngest stallion is 2 and their youngest advertised horses are 2 years old, so unless the arabian pony stud (3) bred at 1 month old… )
The arabian stud may not be the sire of any of the horses listed (although there are likely a few to come that he will have created). They may also have a stud that they aren’t getting rid of as well. And other mares. And in a few years, they may have another fire sale because good ol’ Humpythewonder stud may create more horses that get otta control.
“Humpythewonder stud” –thanks sues68 after a very hard, long and chaotic day at work you cheered me right up!
Anytime
Pfft. Cathy is not coming back. Nor is Mugs. We have Snarks and Snugs now and frankly, I think some people are just looking for a reason to bitch and moan – Cathy (and Mugs for that matter) did this type of thing ALL the time and as you said, you’ve never felt the need to post before this. If you’re unhappy, rather than writing some comment whining about how much you hate a post you probably would have loved had either of the previous authors written it, just click the red X at the top of your screen.
Btw, rescuing is not leaving some horses you purchased out in a field and doing nothing with them. It’s making sure that you care for them, put appropriate training on them and then do a home check when you sell them – not putting them on craigslist (and without reasonable pictures or spelling, for that matter) for the highest bidder to buy.
http://www.operationhorserescue.blogspot.com
If you are “checking out” now, over this post, you obviously didn’t read the blog when Fugs 1.0 was writing.
So, I see this is a popular thing among the hillbillies as shown in the following Craigslisting I found:
http://swva.craigslist.org/grd/2799889232.html
http://swva.craigslist.org/grd/2769971706.html
http://swva.craigslist.org/grd/2805656735.html
And, because I could not stand idle for more than it took to read the ads I had to oblige them with this:
http://swva.craigslist.org/grd/2815412552.html
I refuse to believe that ignorance is bliss. Even in the mountain regions people have to know that inbreeding of any species is not a good thing. Even an idiot knows you have to feed the poor things and if you have one or two, then you gotta know it takes lots more to feed 6 or 13. Now, even if these people don’t openly admit that they have allowed sonny to breed with mama, these ads were placed successive, and any untrained moron could figure it all out.
When will veterinarians become proactive and be part of the solution instead of a part of the problem. I know that horses are a little harder to contain from one another, they are big animals. This is still no excuse for allowing horses to copulate in an fashion that can easily get out of control Keeping any horse is expensive. But when it comes to cats and dogs, why can’t vets join forces and have spay/ neuter clinics monthly for an at-cost fee opposed to the $150+ they ask. It just doesn’t help the situation out at all.
I know what you mean. I come from a long line of mountain folk (although I was born in California) and this kind of thing never stops angering me. My family doesn’t breed horses (they are actually a pretty educated, awesome bunch of people) but my Uncle’s neighbor did. The man in question used to have a pinto “racking horse” stud that he would breed to his underweight mares. The stud was kept in a barbed wire pen that led down to a very polluted creek. The creek was his water source. There was no way the local authorities would consider stepping up…they probably got their Oxycontin from the man, and I couldn’t afford a horse (was in college). It was sad.
What’s racking mare?
Racking is a generic term used for a gaited (non-trotting) horse. Like a Missouri Fox Trotter, Tennesee Walker or more correctly for a Saddlebred which is a 5-gaited horse that is taught a running walk and Rack (fast 4 beat walk with action) in addition to a walk, trot, canter. A running walk and rack are taught gaits, not natural like Trotters and Walkers.
Nono! Sorry to interrupt, but a Racking Horse refers to a specific gait performed by some gaited horses called the Rack. It can in fact be natural (I have a gelding who pops into one for fun sometimes), and a true Racking Horse defaults to a racking gait, usually instead of a canter, when asked for speed. Racking horses can easily do about 25 mph or more for a sustained distance.
There are separate classes for Racking Horses at many Tennessee Walking Horse shows and other gaited shows. The disadvantage, IMO, of the rack is that it is a hollow backed gait, so over time a poorly ridden racking horse can become very poorly muscled and develop back problems.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyA_pSI5hA8
Thanks for the info! I always learn so much from this blog
Now I’m sort of wondering if that filly there is her own niece. What do you call something out of a mother by her own son?
She’d be her dad’s sister but her mom’s daughter, and also her mom’s granddaughter. Hmm.
I feel like I lost some IQ points just reading those ads. I do want to ask what kind of gates the horses have. Are they wrought iron? Are they decorative or utilitarian? Not only is this an obviously high quality breeding program, but they also have their horses making gates. What is their secret?
I’m not sure which ad is my favorite. The one that suggests you’re actually getting a better horse because there hasn’t been any “messin’ with” (training). The one that says “pettin’” is all that is needed to finish a horse. Or the one with the photo of a stud surrounded by his harem but the seller doesn’t know if he bred them.
I’m not sure I understand why Vets are part of the problem. I have never met a vet who would condone the wanton breeding of crappy animals. You certainly can’t hold them responsible when people choose to keep fertile animals of mediocre quality and then allow them to reproduce. AND, there are a lot of vets out there who do offer free or low cost gelding services and clinics. But it all boils down to being a responsible owner – if you can’t afford the vet care, you can’t afford the pet, and that includes sterilization procedures.
Tennessee Walker on Standardbred isn’t a bad cross in and of itself, if that’s what floats your boat. Apparently it’s a popular speed-racking cross. Personally, I’m not a big fan of gaited horses, they’re not my thing.
At least TWH and STB are both reasonably close in type, and they got something decent from the horses they happened to own. He’s not good enough to stay a stud, but nice enough as a gelding. If someone was in the market for a project hack/trail horse to rescue, he’s a decent choice, heck, he might even be gaited (they didn’t mention he is, but then, they also haven’t worked him at all, so they just might not know), which could be a further selling point for some people. Buy him, geld him, train him, who knows, ten to twenty years later, he could be making some little girl with her first full-size horse very happy. He’s certainly not something I advocate trying to breed for, but he’s not terrible for an “oops”. He does at least have some level of appeal, and might turn out to be a decent investment for someone looking for a resale or forever horse.
very sad on so many levels..
Why doesn’t anyone train their horses!? What on earth? who wants an untrained horse? Answer: no one, unless the horse has fantastic bloodlines or a proven sire/dam. I’m actually going to be in the market for a “backyard” type horse in a few months- I don’t care about bloodlines or registration or even breed- but I want a TRAINED horse. Something I can ride… golly. Horses need to be useful.
Lazy, stupid or ignorant and live in their own world. Lazy- Didn’t realize that not handling their foal/youngster would grow up to a 1200lb rampaging teen. And of course their not going to work with the horse because it would take to much effort. When in reality if they had gotten off the couch and spent 1/2 and hour at LEAST with the foal than they wouldn’t have the rebelling teenager. Stupid- Everyone want me that there horse! It’s such a purdy culor, exotic and rarer breed. Do I really need to go on? Ignorant- Have their heads so far jammed up their ass or think that lights and glitter shoot out their ass. That some how the horse will be broke in a day fully or that their wild and or untrained horse will bring them to their retirement….. Really? Takes all types of people in the world. To bad these people are allowed to live…..
I bred a “purdy” colored horse, two actually. Both handled and trained from day one. My vet LOVED them – said it was wonderful to handle foals that had good ground manners. A little patience and a “start as you intend to go” attitude was really all it took, wasn’t hard at all, and didn’t add much time at all to what already had to be done daily with the herd. One sold immediately upon being advertised as a weanling, and the other I still own. When it came time to train him under saddle at 2 1/2 yrs old, all he really needed was to learn cues from the saddle. Now at 4, he’s safe for almost anybody (I’d say anybody, but kids still get adult assistance just for safety’s sake – the horse has yet to make a wrong move). He’s just a trail & fun family horse, nothing that would win a show, but if I ever have to rehome him, I don’t have to have a fire sale – I have a waiting list. LOL Amazing what a little time can do, and those “purdy” horses really can be valuable.
We are such big advocates of TRAINING – purdy colored or not! It’s amazing how much it adds to a horse’s value. So kudos to you for making that such a big priority!
Trust me, no one wants an untrained horse even if it has great bloodlines, kewl color and all that. You can buy a trained horse for much less than you can have one trained unless you train yourself, and then me thinks you need to know what you are doing or else your horse won’t be marketable to anyone else.
“Or is it now to point fingures and oust everyone who’s ever made a mistake and learned from it. I’ve never felt the need to write comments on this blog before because people have always opened conversations from both sides, and I could read valid and honest viewpoints from different experiences people have had.”
Have you been reading the same blog I have? Because FHOTD is just a bit of an advocacy blog with a lot of opinionated people participating, and it has always been a tad merciless (whispered gently and politely). Just sayin’
As for these horses? Speechless. Clearly they didn’t actually learn anything from their mistakes, seeing as how their stock is all still unhandled and untrained and they have a crippled freebie running around. If people already aren’t buying what you’re selling, they’ll REALLY not buy it if it has never had a halter or a warm body on it and is actually useful for something.
“never been handled stud 3 year old” is something I never want to hear again…but something tells me I will. Oy vay! I wish more people had a decent grasp on basic business skills. The whole “supply and demand” thing is really important, I promise! These poor, poor horses.
http://www.itsbraintime.blogspot.com
“Just because it has a uterus doesn’t mean it needs a baby.”
Seriously this would make an awesome bumper sticker and it has so many applications from horses to dogs to people! I’m surprised I’ve never seen it before.
lol it will be shortly – we’re putting the finishing touches on it at Snarky Rider’s cafepress store!
http://www.cafepress.com/snarkyriderblog
I want a bumper sticker!
I know a few women who consider themselves ‘child-free’ (FGS never say ‘childless’) who would love that bumper sticker. I’ve seen others like “cats, not brats” & “a child? no thanks I’m having a life”.
I have actually met people who BELIEVE that not having a child is SELFISH! Try to wrap your head around that one! My son was an only child and I was considered by many to be a horrible and selfish person for that, too. Some people are just jerks.
I think it is equally wrong-headed to criticize children and the people who have them with things like “cats, not brats” and “a child? no thanks, I’m having a life”. I am myself childless by choice, but I am very fond of some of my friends’ children. I do not think they are brats or that my friends have no life.
The people who are really selfish are the ones who have large numbers of children. The growing population means less resource for everyone, including their own children they so ‘lovingly’ produce. Unless they homeschool, they take unfair advantage of the local schools. Too often, they cannot support their children, so the local community and state have to provide them with food, clothing, school supplies, medical care, etc.
I do not find the “Just because it has a uterus doesn’t mean it needs a baby” offensive because it does not criticize all reproduction, just thoughtless reproduction. It is the thoughtless reproduction that causes so many problems.
My son is an only child. It was evident early on that he had some emotional challenges that were going to demand all my time and attention. I think having another would have been selfish, as it would have taken resources that he needs to become a successful adult.
Not having children at all is not at all selfish – I think it’s the opposite. It’s a very worthy and well-thought decision. Kudos to those who know they don’t want to be parents, or would resent having to be. I can’t stand that so many people have kids because pregnancy was just something that happened to them. One thing I hear a lot, and it just makes my heart break everytime I hear it, is “I love my kids because they’re my kids, but I don’t really like kids in general”. Funny how that statement is usually accompanied by an attitude that TV and Gameboys can entertain the kids, and very little positive interaction with one’s children.
Geez, the kill buyers can drop by with the semi. They can just say they’re keeping the breeding herd together so the Vision can continue.
Well the positive thing is that the horses pictured appear to be well fed and healthy, alot more then I can say for some “free and cheap” ads. They are asking smaller fees then most adoption facilities on the ones who are “trainable” and are being VERY honest about each one. They could have said they were awesome and broke etc, then you get them home and they try to kill you.
On the negative side, stallions with mares will breed. BUT….We do not know by the AD ALONE, that they bred these horses, or even if they are pastured together, just because the stud is half percheron “thoroubred” or however they spelled it, doesnt mean they didnt save a lot from a shit breeder at an auction. I had once attended an auction looking for some training prospects years ago when the market was still good, and some “breeder” had brought through a herd (15 or more) fugly “westphalians” which apparently register anything out of one registered parent. Most were appaloosas, ALL were incredibly thin and in DESPERATE need of basic care like hoof trims and dewormings. 5 of them sold for 50 each, 10 were then sold by weight (not much mind you) and I decided since I had hay, was a farrier, and worked with a vet who gave me VERY low prices on any procedures, to take in the remaining 10. (paid a total of 200 for all of them). They were all the same “breed” and some were 3 and 4 year old studs, some were fillies and mares, etc. Had I run an ad online to find them homes whether free or cheap, somoene would have incorrectly assumed I had bred these nasties too.
Moral of the story when you assume you make an ass out of u and me!
That said, someone go get one thats decent, geld it, train it, and then sell it at a decent profit even in todays market.
Reward these people for their irresponsibility by buying one of these awesome prospects, then dump hundreds of dollars in training into it, plus the money it will take to get it vaccinated, wormed…. and then pray that he/she doesn’t have gaits like a dump truck and the brains of a rock. Yeah, that totally sounds like it’ll make a valuable silk purse out of that sow’s ear. I’m sure I’d make that money -right- back. Definitely a sound investment option.
Or I could just buy a cheap, nicely bred horse that’s already decently trained in this crappy market.
Conundrum.
You are making me chuckle vettech, really…… a decent profit?
Based on the pictures and ad they have a bunch of crippled, intact, fugly, unbroke grade horses. Nothing different than what runs through the kill pen every week around here.
Best case scenario, one or two **may** be suitable as a club show level or trail horse. (Which currently can be picked up for $500-2000 fully trained and ready to go.) To get anyone of these guys anywhere near that level, I would estimate it would cost me thousands of dollars more in vet, farrier, feed and board for the 6mths – 1 year of work ahead.
Even if I throw in my training as a labour of love at no charge, there is absolutely no way I could picture turning a profit.
Think of the money to do it ‘right’.
Horse:
Ignore this post….laptop gone mad.
There is not one single sentence in that whole ad that does not make my head hit the desk (and I’m not just talking about the spelling either!). I need to start putting my helmet on before I read Cl ads.
My personal favorite:
“FREE older percheron mare poor, not gentle only be good for breeding” WHY?
It has a uterus and they are convinced since the mare has such she needs to be bred again and again and again……
You’re referring to that Duggar woman, right? Oh wait….
BWAHAHAHAHA! A+
You go Wannabe! I’ve always wanted to post back to the yahoo BYBs on Craigslist advertising inbred, untrained, unhandled conformational nightmares for sale cheap “Get her now or she goes to the sale Saturday”. Or with their unhelmeted 6 year old standing barefoot on the back of their unhaltered Pintabianwalkaloosmorchon stud who always throws color, in their barbed wire lot full of rusting machinery to show how “tame” he is. Idiot d-bags. You’ve inspired me- think I’ll start replying to ads just the way you did. Maybe some bonehead will actually wake up & smell the coffee!
Situations like this make me sick. Crippled horses, unhandled horses, studs all being offered for $100 down to free. Gosh…wonder where they are all going to end up? I get so tired of people creating a mess and wanting others to clean it up for them. I’m in Ontario and kijiji is more popular than Craigslist but there many similar ads. A lot of “I broke this horse now I don’t want her anymore. Buy her or I ship to slaughter.” “Old horse, would be great companion.” “Mare, must go NOW – I have too many. Buy her today or I ship to slaughter. May be pregnant, she was exposed to my paint stud in July.” Really? I’ve seen several of those recently, the horse could be 6 months pregnant and you just don’t know?
And no, I have no problems pointing fingers in a situation like this. Herds don’t just get “outta control” on their own. Even if these are good hearted people who went to an auction and “rescued” these horses, you don’t have to be a genius to realize pretty damn quickly that you have bitten off more than you can chew.
Sadly, some people just don’t learn and don’t listen. I have a “friend” – although she yelled at me with all CAPITAL letters and blocked me on Facebook so I guess I was dumped
– whose daughter wanted horses. So her daddy bought her a mini. I don’t know all the details but the mare was bred, whether she came pregnant or they bred – no idea. Anyhow they now have a nearly 2 year old stud running with his mother. When I strongly suggested that the cute little guy would get mommy pregnant and gelding would be a good idea they came back with “He’s happy the way he is”. Barely handled, barely trained, oh and guess who does their feet?? The dad – he read a book. I can’t wait for their herd to get “outta control”. I wonder if I will suddenly be their friend again when they need someone to help find homes for their inbred, untrained little babies when they get tired of playing with them?
I nearly forgot…I was dumped as a friend because I had to nerve to post listings for horses coming off the track and needing homes. This is a placement service, not a rescue with foster homes. Many of these horses need homes in a hurry. What nerve I had to share rather than just sit there and bury my head up my ass. UGH! I think my head may explode soon.
11 horses, four are damaged in some way and five others that are unhandled. The other two are “sweet.” What really gets me is:
bay mare x jump horse 15 years old registered rode 6 months ago is tenderfooted on front end
older thourobred grey 17 hand gelding one knee bigger then the other
crippled filly and black gelding
What are they doing (or is it simply a lack of doing anything?) to lame half of their horses?
A fitting breed of pony for the internet:
http://maine.craigslist.org/grd/2819364527.html
Poor thing looks like she is in a quagmire swamp.
And it is ClinTon Maine, not Clinon.
But it’s a HACKME! Haven’t you always wanted a 5 year old unbroke HACKME ponythat you can walk with? Too bad I’m on the left coast…
From the looks of that barbwire enclosed mud pit she is living in, I’ll bet she would love for someone to take her out and hack her, after training her how to do it. “Hack me, please!”
Look! It’s the ever elusive ‘hackme’ pony. Always wanted me one of those.
The more I see things like this ad, the more I consider opening up a gelding business. Just like some have sheath cleaning businesses where they go from place to place to go bean hunting, I want to go from place to place and geld horses to prevent things like this from happening. I won’t charge much (just the cost of gas and supplies) for those that can’t afford to have a vet come out and do it…hell, I’ll even do a group discount. We can have gelding parties! Just ANYTHING to prevent more foals from hitting the ground in circumstances such as these.
Great idea but you would be in trouble legally.
It would be practicing veterinary medicine without a license, I think.
These guys that have Mennonites or Amish come do it are OK because it is unlikely that the law will try to stop[ them doing their ethnic thing, but if you do it and charge for it I think you will be in trouble. I wish Vet Techs could do this, though, it does not truly need a Vet, nine times out of ten. If you ran a cli9nic, had four Vet Techs and a Vet working it would be loads cheaper…..
Horse is $100, trailering $50 (if you’re nearly a neighbor) trim $50, Vet -(farm call, rabies, coggins) $150, Do-it-yourself Eastern/Western/Flu/Rhino/Tetanus & wormer – $50, repeat in 4 weeks – $50. Now add in $150 a month for feed and bedding (assuming you have your own place) and figure the first month is near a loss teaching ground manners, leading, tying, lunging or ground driving. Even a talented trainer isn’t going to get a horse ‘broke’ in less than 4 months. Now we’re up to over $1000 in costs, not even paying yourself for the time you put into the training process, or the additional trims. There are so many nice, broke, registered horses going to auction for less than that. These horses would need to be taken as charity cases only. There is no $$ at the end of the rainbow.
Dude, you can get well-bred, decently trained horses for F R E E.
It doesn’t happen all the time, but it happens often enough that I can recall 4 or 5 examples I know of from the past couple years.