Get Your Free Stud Here!
Nov 16 2011
| How many babies hit the ground from each of these studs that weren’t NRHA Futrity quality? How many are standing around in a pasture, not halter broke or gelded, but worth “a hunnert thousan’ dollars because a half brother or sister made it to the futurity?I guess what I’m saying is, how many foals does it take to find one futurity prospect?
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Wimpys Little Step has 36 foals entered in the Open.
The National Reining Horse Association Futurity is right around the corner, Nov. 24-Dec. 3. According to the draw, there are 406 entries in the Open division. A total of 110 sires are represented by foals in that division, with 10 of those having 10 or more offspring. Twenty-four stallions have at least five foals in the Open, while 58 have two or more.
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Then we take a step down the evolutionary ladder and find this FREE STUD! Why is he a stud? Because he has points in halter and he’s “kid broke!”
That’s right. I found him while searching for kid broke horses.
Here is his ad:
“Sully” has ApHC points in OPEN & Non Pro Halter!
2 points in Non Pro Halter Stallions & 4.5 points in Open Aged Stallions
WK Appsolutelyatitan, AKA “Sully”
He has a gentle nature, he is quiet and very easy to handle. He has no buck or spook. He ties, baths, clips, loads, lunges both directions, picks up all four feet, stands for fly spray, stands quiet for the vet or farrier. Stands quiet for shoes and has very good strong hooves. He loves attention and he’s a terrific trail horse. He rides along the road with traffic, rides over large logs and will go any where you point him. He is so quiet you wouldn’t know he was a stallion. He has a leg injury but he has been sound and I feel he will be sound after the leg heals. I would consider placing him in a home for FREE with a Contract that I retain some breedings from him otherwise I would sale him outright and he could be gelded if he proves to be sound. He has never shown any lameness since the leg injury.
He has a deep chest, a full hip, a super head and a superb mind, making him an accomplished Halter Stallion. “Sully” has outstanding bloodlines and possesses all the fine characteristics to make a great sire. His bloodlines are exceptional The Titan II, Dreamfinder, Obvious Endeavor to name a few.
Great. you know this translates to “Let me scrape my lame stud off on you, because I sure can’t sell him. I know he would have made a great gelding, but now that I’ve crippled him I have to make it seem like he’s worth something!”
There are more than a few red flags in this ad. I guess I really don’t need more, but it’s fun picking them out. Why exactly is he tacked up in a western saddle and an English bridle? Is this a BYB versatility prospect? Maybe a candidate for Hunter Jumper pole bending?
Since his points are in halter, the owner has generously supplied a photo of Sully stood up in a halter shot.
He looks young in this shot. Like he was competing in the futurity classes. Sully is a 2006 model. Note the carefully photoshopped fetlock. I supplied the lovely purple highlight. What did she need to photoshop? Could it be the injury he will be “completely sound” on once it heals? Exactly how old is that little boo-boo anyway?
Here comes my favorite. Remember now, Sully is gentle enough for kids. Our classy BYB proves this to us by giving us this photo.
Sully looks like a menopausal nun who took a wrong turn into a day care. Just sayin’.
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1) He has a leg injury but he has been sound and I feel he will be sound after the leg heals.
2) he could be gelded if he proves to be sound. He has never shown any lameness since the leg injury.
So… is he lame or isn’t he? For me, ANY ad that mentions a lameness but refuses to say what it is (an old bow, wind puffs that haven’t fused, knee problems, arthritis) is an immediate no-go. I bought my TB off the track as a 3 year old. I could see he was lame, and the owner, who was a very nice guy, was very forthcoming. Despite his lameness (a slight bow in his right front) I took him anyways, gave him six months off, and he’s been 99% sound ever since. There are also some hock problems, but what can you expect from a baby that was run around (and around and around) at two years of age in the claimers? So as long as we don’t jump and stick to dressage, we’re good.
Have you ever had chiro work done on him? I had an OTTB that I was told had ‘Stifle Issues’. Turns out what he had was a sore back. Some chiro work on his sacral region, and he is 100% sound and jumping in shows with his teenager owner. Worth looking into. My vet said every OTTB she had ever worked on had problems there because of how they are worked.
Last I knew, a horse that requires a chain thru his mouth for a standing photo, is not a good sign of a “kid friendly” horse. Even if the horse is kid friendly, mom sure isn’t by allowing her tots to run around her stallion in barefeet – while she’s holding is hanging lead rope with her finger tips and clearly watching her kids play, rather than noticing the “surprised” look on Mr. Stud’s face. I am surprised there is not the usual photo of 5 tots sitting bareback, or standing, on Mr. Stud too.
He’s a cute little horse though. If the leg is sound, I am betting he’d make a nice little around fun gelding for someone, just not stallion material.
First thing I noticed was the chain in mouth too. Not a sign of a quiet stallion who’s good with children IMO. My stallion never saw a chain on his face until it was breeding time and he learned to LOVE the sound of the chain coming off the hook.
A nice way to advertise a stallion that is kid safe (they are NEVER kid safe without an adult present) would have been to have one child holding Sully next to the adult with the other child on the horse. A background free of toys r us overstock, barefoot kids and mismatched tack would keep me from the Deliverance picking song knocking around in my head.
What you said and if their feet aren’t trimmed correctly it can cause stifle and back issues. A lot of issues that show up elsewhere start in the feet. Just my personal experience.
Sorry that was meant for shadowsrider a few posts above.
Drives me insane when I see any chain in the mouth of any horse. Especially in breed classes where they are looked at for conformation, manners, etc. If you need a chain in any horse’s mouth (espcially a stud or a breedable mare) they need to be excused from the ring. That just screams to me that the horse is so wild and ill mannered you need to have a chain in the mouth to control the horse. And do we need any more wild and ill mannered horses out there? No we don’t. But in fact this is encouraged, mean while all the good tempered horses are being spoiled because of this fad. Oi vey. It’s especially a joke when any horse has been said to be ‘kid broke’ yet needs chains and severe bits to be controled and ridden. I’d run the other way. I really would. Thanks BYB for adding more kills to the trucks! The kill buyers must LOVE YOU, mean while WE HATE YOU! Personally I don’t care if that stud grand pappy and great grand pappy won show after show. If that stud hasn’t had a proven show record, I’m lookin’ else where. Can’t afford to show, may I suggest a wonderful gelding? So this way your not tempted to breed it! Think before you breed. If your that despirate for a foal/young horse, go pull one out of the kill pen.
I prefer the English tradition. Mares and geldings are shown in plain halters. Studs are shown in a bridle with a Y lead. It is allowable to show in a bridle at small shows if you have a horse doing both halter and performance classes (so owners on a shoe string don’t feel the need to buy an expensive show halter).
NOBODY in England uses a stud chain. They simply don’t exist over there, although you do see them in Ireland. Difficult horses are led in a bridle with either a Y lead or an extra long lead rein (not rope) that is threaded through the near side bit ring and secured to the off side.
As an example, this is one of Cheveley Park’s stallions being stood up for an advertising photo in a snaffle with a Y lead: http://www.cheveleypark.co.uk/Cheveley_Park_Stallion_Kyllachy.aspx. You can see how the lead rope is attached to a second piece which hooks to both bit rings…this is the typical ‘device’ used and it is ONLY used on stallions, racehorses or horses with a history of causing problems on the lead. Commonly the lead line used is a 12 or 15 foot lead…allowing the horse to rear all the way up without either breaking free or injuring the handler.
This is from the British Eventing’s in-hand show, so these are sport horse prospects. The top two are in bridles…and all the rest are in plain leather halters, even the one that’s being a brat! http://www.britisheventing.com/page.asp?section=1103§ionTitle=2011+In+Hand+Championships+Impressions
I’m not saying stud chains are bad, wrong, or evil, just that they are often unnecessary and, in the U.S., consistently over-used.
That’s why I like the UK. You don’t over use crap like we do. Natural moving gaits? Naaaahhhhh. Let’s go for the robotic, artificial gaits that come with dead and defeated looks. Minimal needed tack? Oh hell no more the better! Take your time training a horse? Hell no! Short cuts = more $$$$. Responsible breeders? Why? The auction is only 10 miles down the road……. I wanna move over there but too much ocean……. Am I saying your country is perfect? No. But you’ve got a lot less crap that goes on……
Hmm… I’m sure you’re right, we do have less crap going on here, but not long ago I was buying feed and the bloke at the counter, who I know is involved with Welsh Cobs, and a little ol’ farmer at the back of the shop were having a loud conversation about the sales one of them had been to where yearlings were going for 50p. Lots of yearlings. “You don’t want to know who’s buying them”, counter-man said to me. I told him I knew who was buying them, I’d prefer to know who the idiots are who are still breeding the poor things. He actually looked surprised, like it hadn’t occurred to him that not breeding was an option. Sigh.
Ahhh Geesh… He’s not being a brat… He’s being a baby.
No, sorry you are giving a false impression. The horse being a brat is either a foal (I think it is a foal) or a yearling. It is also in a TB/Hack/ Hunter class. Go into an Arab class and you have the same fancy halters you get in the US- and they look good. Maybe not quite as crazy horses in them, though.
In the Welsh and M & M classes there are either plain in hand bridles for mares and stallions or in Sec A and Cob classes, white webbing halters (as we know the word, not a headcollar but a halter) Then in Show Pony classes, again, all animals over one year that are ungelded have to be bitted, mares are shown in an inhand bridle that has a horseshoe bit.
No adult animal in the UK is shown in a plain leather halter- even the foals have a thinner than usual fancy halter.
My daughter showed my gelding in hunt seat showmanship & halter in Mini 4H last year in a plain leather grooming halter with pretty brass hardware (Chicks, $27.99) that I now use as my “everyday” halter, and matching lead. I ran the chain under his chin & hooked it up on the ring below his eye, because a) it’s kind of standard around here in Showmanship, but mostly b) he is 15.3 hands and she weighs 43 lbs. Of course, her dad walked right beside her the whole time, and ol’ Chip isn’t going anywhere fast… except to his girlfriends or his feed. He’s not a stallion, of course.
At home she practices with a plain rope lead and I have to keep reminding her not to let him eat….
I seem to remember youth showing stallions being legal in Arabs and Morgans.
Just a clarification: A chain in the mouth while showing doesn’t make much sense to me either.
HOWEVER, I used to work at a breeding farm and the owner used a copper chain on a cotton lead rope when he took the stallions out to tease or breed. I guarantee you that those studs LOVED the chain in their mouth– it was a signal that ‘it was time’, and it was the only time they took a chain in the mouth. I could lead them anywhere, with just a cotton lead snapped to their halter. I could lead them with a chain lead snapped to their halter. I could even lead them with the chain under or over the chin. But man, take that particular cotton lead with the copper chain off the hook, and those stallions were on their toes and ready to flirt.
He never brought a stallion back with damage to their mouths– it was quite simply a cue for breeding, and very effective at separating the breeding routine from the riding, grooming, and turnout routine.
My stallion only wore a chain through the mouth for breeding. Otherwise, he was chain free in a plain halter and cotton lead. But boy did he get excited when he heard that chain jingle! He’d open his mouth wide as if to say ‘hurry up mom, slip it through and let’s go!’
I don’t see a chain… I see a full cheek snaffle…
I noticed that too Tbs & Stangs.
Looks to me like the thing that has all these folks breeches in a bunch is actually this:
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.moonrakerqh.com/tack/gfx/bit-25-5160.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.moonrakerqh.com/tack/bits-full-cheek.html&h=351&w=300&sz=8&tbnid=tKKKCUC1Lp5RgM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=77&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dfull%2Bcheek%2Bsnaffle%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=full+cheek+snaffle&docid=VNtKqB0LqgGoeM&sa=X&ei=96rGTp7WDMrE2wXb0tjqDw&ved=0CHYQ9QEwAw&dur=1147
I also don’t see a single chain or double chain curb attached to it which given the bars on the side that are to support the face of a young horse, stabilizing it, and the style prevents the correct width size of the bit to be pulled through, the only need would be to prevent the horse from dropping his jaw.
I also think what the knickers in a knot crew are complaining about as Eng. bridle versus Western saddle may actually be a halter under a bridle. Without the “noseband” that bridle is no different than a browband western style bridle. Furthermore, I know of a young lady who had a gorgeous black leather with purple stones English bridle. It had a matching caveson but the design allowed one to remove it. She showed for a full season that bridle, and won in both English and Western by simply changing the caveson in and out, changing her tack, and her clothing.
Too much nit picking is going on with this ad. Do I like seeing a horse with kids running all around it barefoot and in diapers. No. But, then again, not everyone has access to the pristine white 60 stall barn and heated indoor with white washed 3 plank wood fences across rolling hills.
Also, wasn’t it just last week that a rescue was being bitched at for the image of a pristine horse being smooched on by an overly happy woman. What exactly is it you all want—–reality (kid running around the lawn while mom tries to get a pic of a horse they really can’t afford but are doing their best to keep fed while they find a new owner) or the $$$$$$ picture that makes you wonder if they are hiding something.
Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez
I will say that “Sully” looks a lot better than most of the horses featured here. I think they are crazy for letting their kids play around him like that (though to me that photo is seriously shopped). He may make someone a wonderful horse.
Look closer – his head and neck are in a different position in the second one. I don’t think it’s shopped. However I don’t think the show pic is of the same horse. I think the photoshopping in the show pic is to make the socks match the second horse. Check out their muzzles; totally different markings!
And check out the legs…… One has more brown than the other. Also look at the mane. I bet it’s calm stallion for psyco one……
I think I agree with you here–looks like two different horses…though perhaps the horse’s color changed as he aged, that does happen.
Or it may just be a photo of the seller chick when she was younger–people put weird stuff up sometimes. There are lots of ads for bred mares or youngsters that include random photos of other horses–like the sire, or the stallion she’s bred to’s brother, or a $$$ earning half-sister, or her previous year’s colt that was an awesome color, etc. etc. etc…
Sometimes there are such weird and seemingly unconnected photos in ads I can’t tell which one is the horse that’s actually for sale.
I took one look and went right over to Allbreed to check for Impressive. The ONE good thing is that I failed to find him…he really LOOKS Impressive-y to me. Which would put me off enough, I’m not into the huge body and small legs. His ‘leg injury’ is probably because his hooves are too small for him.
Jennifer R, you have a great eye. I didn’t count how many generations out, but Impressive certainly is in Sully’s breeding history. CONCLUSIVE is a 1977 Sorrel out of Impressive x Night Pacer.
All in all, I feel sorry for poor Sully. He looks like a good boy who’s earned his keep. I really hope he doesn’t end up in the wrong hands. He deserves much better.
Oops. I forgot Conclusive was an Impressive and checked the wrong lines on Allbreed
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I would never, ever buy a horse that went back to Impressive and not just because of HYPP. I don’t like the type at all. And looking at the adult pictures, as opposed to the one of him as a two year old, I would not be at ALL surprised to find he was N/H.
Not that I don’t like a good Quarter Horse for some purposes
. I spent the summer working with one who has King, Three Bars, Poco Bueno, Wimpy, Joe Hancock…he may even be FQHR eligible. Unfortunately, he got his mind from Joe Hancock…
Their website lists him as N/N.
But when one is being illusive to the fact if the horse is lame or not you have to wonder……
I get that alot of people are put off by Impressive bloodlines…between HYPP and the tiny feet/bones and oversized body, they’re not good for much…BUT I’ve found that they make the most AMAZING trail horses out there (assuming you can ever get their fat butts above a slow walk). I just gelded my son of Mr Be Downtown, Impressive top and bottom (N/N) and he inherited the crap feet and the overstuffed musculature, but is just a big puppy (even before boarding the gelding bus at 7 yrs…thankfully with no babies). They have the most laid back, gentle, slow going temperament that I’ve found. I’ve owned several over the years, and they’ve always had the exact same kindly, laid back, gentle, affectionate disposition. In my experience, they’re the babysitter bloodline. Great for kids and scaredy cats alike. (With the exception of the Kid Clu descendants…I’ve had 2 and ridden several, and they’ve all had a screw loose and a mean streak…and I have no problem with temperamental, but really…screw loose). I just wanted to make a case for the Impressive babies, if you can keep them sound, they make perfect trail horses. I do agree, though, that they aren’t built for performance.
Depends on the cross – add some Skipper W in there you you can end up with mine (now 16 and in a retirement situation with a nice lady due to navicular since age 9) He’s a total puppy dog most of the time, but goes off his rocker every once in a while for no reason anyone can see… and he was a bugger to break. He likes women best and is doing very well in his pasture puff, groomed often and ridden rarely home he’s in now but he dumped my experianced rider husband many times.
I’ve found that the Peppy San x Two Eyed Jack lines also make a nice horse that likes kids (I’ve heard that is a commone trait in the Two Eyed Jack line) – my mare (Tomi) of that cross becomes so gentle around my near 3 yr old it’s comical – if DD is even in the barn Tomi just hanges her head over the stall for pats, I can see her being my daughter’s first horse in a few years.
You may have solved a mystery for me. I have an Impressive bred gelding–his sire is by Touchdown Kid, although I can’t remember his sire’s name right at the moment (huge gray halter horse, registered AQHA and APHA–name has something to do with football, but I can’t remember it right now). Turns out there’s Kid Clu in there. I wonder if that explains the rather huge bully streak in that horse of mine. 99% of the time, he’s a great horse. But he blows up for no discernible reason and gets really nasty sometimes. Hmpf. (I’ll admit, I’m not used to it–my other horses are TWHs, who are all sweethearts, even when they’re a little ornery!) Wait… I think his sire’s name is The End Zone or something?
And he’s got everything wrong with him that you expect to be wrong with a halter-bred horse–small feet, weird legs, overly muscled. Somehow he ended up with a normal-sized head (which I prefer, but the halter people hated). Oh, and his legs are horribly crooked, just like daddy’s, but apparently that doesn’t matter in halter classes, so long as he looks like a giant cow on stilts.
Funny thing, though–that crooked-legged, bulldog, downhill QH gelding is athletic as a cat and is quite a superstar at dressage. Who’d a thunk it???
Being a graphic designer and working with programs, I honestly don’t think that Fetlock was photoshopped, it looks like it is swollen. Not blown up, but honestly swollen. Which doesn’t make this case any better….
I enlarged it on photoshop and very clearly saw the tell-tale rubber stamp marks.
Too bad for Sully. What a cutie!
On the other point, I was hoping you would tell us how many foals it takes to get one futurity prospect. If I had to take a stab at it I would say 120-130 or thereabout. How many horses does Shawn Flarida go through to get his handful of horses to take? Well over a hundred, I have heard. That doesn’t bother me so much because those horses have valuable training and could excel in many different disciplines AS LONG AS they aren’t blown up mentally or physically, which is usually the case. Horses with good training and good pedigrees are still selling in the right markets.
Here’s a stallion with child photo that shows the nature of the horse in a professional manner. It only took a good brushing, a green pasture and a cute little boy with cowboy hat.
This stud also sired 3 of the NRHA Open Futurity entries. Imagine that, Hollywood Dun It passed away 6 years ago and is still siring foals. Fortunately, I’m not aware of any mutations he’s added to the gene pool and he’s surely proven himself. What do you think? Will we see his clone competing in the new few years? I’ll bet someone has something brewing. All this witchcraft puts those of us with median incomes right out of the winner’s circle. Not only is horse racing the sport of kings, so become the previously middle class competitions as well.
http://www.mcquaystables.com/Photos/plogger/general/hollywood-dun-it/dsc_0080/
I disagree on this one… Looks like 3 horses put together. It’s probably the photo angle, but the head and neck look HUGE; I would never take a shot at that angle (or I certainly wouldn’t use the photo). The body looks okay, but the legs are comparatively so short looking… I’m not a QH expert so maybe that’s the way they like ‘em. To me it looks like a horse by committee.
And I don’t think it’s professional to put a little kid at the horse’s shoulder with no halter/bridle on the horse, no adult anywhere near. How is this any different at all than what Mugly highlighted?
I have to seriously agree!! I just think that it doesn’t matter the horse, if you put a kid next a horse with no adult to either yank the kid out of the way OR control the horse… it is an accident waiting to happen. Just what a parent needs… a brain damaged kid… or worse dead!
kt, you got all of that from one front shot of a horse? I think perhaps you are reading way too much into that one photo. Just suppose what you may not see is the adult standing just out of the picture. Hollywood Dun It is one of the top producing stallions, did have a fabulous temperament, and very balanced conformation which is how he got his standing in the reining world. I would own one in a heartbeat! No horse has perfect conformation, period!
I sure wouldn’t mind one in my barn either! He was a great horse and attractive as well as athletic. I see nothing wrong with a little tike at his shoulder while an adult takes his picture. HDI had the temperment, training and professional handling that made trusting him possible.
I feel that a stallion should be as well behaved around people as a mare or gelding. My stud was wonderful with all people, big or small, as he should be. I’ve known mares and geldings that I wouldn’t let a child anywhere near and in the 10 years I owned him, he never showed a mean act. The only caveat was breeding time. THEN he could act like a stud.
So let me get this straight… Smartchic and blonde think it’s perfectly fine to have that kid standing at the shoulder of a hatler-less stallion because you both know that this particular horse had a fabulous temperament and nothing could possibly go wrong to injure the boy, right? Yet the photos that Mugly is featuring has kids standing at the feet of this stallion and somehow you know that in this particular case there’s no way that that stallion is trustworthy enough not to hurt the kids? Looks to me like a famous wealthy stallion deserves more “credit” than a backyard stallion. Elitist…. (grinning)
Well, I think he’s cute. I see no need for him as a stallion, but definitely cute. And as to the question of why is he wearing a western saddle and and English bridle? Why because those precious children needed to be able to hang on the the saddle horn and/or cantle as Responsble Adult gave pony rides and he normally is ridden in the English bridle. In all fairness, I too am guilty of combining English bridles with Western or Australian saddles when I go hacking around. My 17+ hand thorougbred that I normally ride hunt will get a western saddle tossed on him when I ride in new areas, because if he’s going to blow, I want a little more security in my seat than I have with my hunt saddle. I don’t bounce as well as I did 20 years ago when I thought those blow ups were “fun”.
I don’t care what anybody rides in when going out for the afternoon, but when you’re going to sell the horse on the internet you might want to try to look a little more put together. Unless of course you’re distracting the viewer from trying to figure out what’s wrong with the horse.
Good Point. I forgot the context of the picture.
I seriously think they were ‘shopping the leg to make the sock match, as opposed to hiding an injury. Check out their muzzles. One has a white chin and white around his right nostril and the other doesn’t!
Gah… that was supposed to be in response to the photoshop comment. Oops!
OT – STOLEN HORSE UPDATE!!
4 out of the 5 horses stolen from Southern Arkansas University have been FOUND. The only horse not recovered is the sorrel gelding “Credit Card”. The horses were found tied to separate trees in a pine thicket in Tom, OK. None of the horses had access to food or water and appeared to have been there awhile. While a little worse for wear, they are expected to make a full recovery!
Oh thank God! Poor Credit Card, I hope he is found soon. What total losers to do that to such nice horses! I hope the people responsible are caught and prosecuted with everything possible. Heck, get them for damaging vegetation, even! Whatever it takes to put them away for a while.
WTF?
I still think it was a “jealous competitor” kind of thing. A real Tonya Harding-groupie move…
Apparently it is “normal” practice for QH show people to put the chain through the mouth in the ring….crazy, but there you are!
That is not the same horse, btw, Appy does mess with the colours a lot, but it has yet to turn a black based horse into a red based horse!!
The picture with the kids is quite obviously photo shopped- I would say completely. The main picture, of the horse standing with the adult and with a hose on the ground has had all the rest added to it.
So, as well as trying to get rid of a lame, ungelded animal, she is also happy to commit fraud to do it.
Flag it!”!l
I noticed the red based/black based difference too, but thought I was seeing things. The middle shot is a different horse.
The photo listed on http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/wk+appsolutelyatitan certainly looks an awful lot like the middle picture to me. I think it is the same horse.
Actually LP does in indeed dilute black to red in many horses. Nobody knows why but it happens regularly. See Grand Design’s daughter Peppermint Patty. Both are grulla but Patty looks red dun now.
I know of two things that could be used to be gelded and one spaying…… Letting your young kids run around barefoot around a horse…… Yet this doesn’t shock me any more.
Regarding the “suspicious” LH leg, we can see it in the first photo of Sully dressed for H/J Polebending (in the second one the diaper-bottomed urchin is conveniently in front of it). I don’t see anything wrong with it (or any of his other legs) but then, I don’t have the best eye for lameness. Can anyone else see something? Yes, the would-be divestor of this poor fella is awfully vague about his lameness. I get the feeling he’ll never be useful and she’s doing her best to tiptoe around the issue.
Thirty six babies.
That’s thirty-six babies… who happen to be three years old… who happen to have progressed far enough and showed enough talent in their training to be enrolled in a futurity.
How many babies does this stallion HAVE each year?! That’s a lot of lovin’, even if it is most likely cryogenic frozen sperm lovin’.
What’s the fix? Part of me thinks we could institute some kind of a live-cover rule like Thoroughbreds have, but would it really make a difference? The stallion owner shouldn’t be penalized that people want to breed to their stud, but on the other hand, having hundreds of babies every year, who in turn will have babies of their own… I dunno. There needs to be some kind of check/balance in place.
I don’t want to just sit around and complain about it – it’d be nice to figure out a fix. Quarter Horses are a great breed, but it seems like they’re going the way of the Labrador – they used to be a FANTASTIC all-around breed, but now-a-days you’d be hard pressed to find one without hip dysplasia issues, eye problems, or the tendency to eat rocks and couches a-la-Marley and Me from an strangely suppressed work drive. there are still good ones, but you have to hunt through tons of poorly-bred ones to find the gems. Why would we willingly sit back and watch the same thing happen to our favorite horse breeds?
Anyone have any ideas? There’s got to be a realistic fix for this situation.
Limiting breeding.
There is NO stallion worth reproducing hundreds and thousands of times over. People breed to these horses because they can, and because a really good photographer is helping with the propaganda to get breedings sold.
So a stallion can breed 40 mares a year, period. No more. (If I had my way, it would be more like 20).
Having 36 babies in a competition doesn’t make that horse a great stallion. It just makes him more prolific. Not the same thing at all.
Sure, there’s an easy answer, but it would take rule changes in most North American horse registries. Simply adjust monetary awards for stallions to reflect the number and placement of the foals entered in futurities. In other words, if a stallion produces 2 foals, that win the top 2 spots (depending upon how the limit is set, either in the money, or entered at all and shown), well, then he’ll get a crap ton of money for his production record (best what ever sire). If he has 100 foals, and 2 place, then divide their winnings by the number of foals (100 in this case), and multiple that by the reward money.
Say the reward is 100 dollars (for easy math). 2/2 = 1, there fore 100 x 1 = 100… stallion owner gets $100 bucks in award money because he only bred quality foals. 2/100 = 0.02…. 100 x 0.02 = $2, stallion owner gets a LOT less money. Put the other $98 into a gelding incentive, breed rescue, or charitable donations to a respected rescue for that breed. It makes sense, makes a good public image, and will draw more interest in that specific breed (hence reducing the number of “unwanted” horses of that breed, and creating a larger market).
Add to that, the fact that those who want to make their money in stud fees, ALREADY made their money in stud fees. If they were willing to take a buck just to breed to any old mare, then that’s their choice. If they want to maximize their stallions public perception as quality, then they will be more selective. This would do nothing but help the smaller breeders, while not really affecting those who already are making millions by breeding a ton of foals (a la Hollywood Dun It). Their offspring would still place, and show well on the stallion, and smaller farms would be able to compete in their own way.
How does their Futurity work? I know in the AMHR minis the stallion and mares need to be nominated even before the folas are born most of the time (March 1st). We nominate all of our foals-to-be as a matter of course. They may not make it there but they ARE nominated! They get to show for four years: weanling, yearling, 2YO and 3YO halter and 3YO driving.
In the AMHA minis they get to show only as a yearling in halter, but there is a separate performance Futurity and they can be nominated for driving or hunter or both.
I loathe the AQHA simply for the numbers of horses they urge members to put on the ground annually. I hate futurities. Sorry Mugs, just not a stock horse industry fan. As for poor cute Sully. I hope a good person buys him and gelds him. The first thing I noticed was the English headstall & bit with the Western saddle. That drives me crazy. It looks like a lip chain on the halter pic – which says to me “I am scared of my stallion”.
3 little words. Registration = $$$$$$. More registration the better. And we all know their slaughter stance……
I have to agree.
I LOVE QH’S. They are my favourite breed, but I don’t like AQHA. They really are all about pumping out as many foals as possible, so that they can get money for registration fees. I wish they would stop being so money hungry and start thinking about what overproducing is doing to those horses.
http://www.operationhorserescue.blogspot.com
It takes a lot of foals to get one good competition prospect. What happens to the rest? Some might make lower level competition horses. Some end up as good family trail horses. Some go into breeding based on pedigree alone. Some go to the kill buyers. In my opinion, it is not a good system. It is rather like breeding plants; grow out all the seedlings of a cross to get the one good one. But tossing plants that don’t work out into a dumpster is a far different thing from dumping a horse.
I do like the last photo of Sully with the kids. That photo really shows his ability with children. Wait–can they ride him? Or does he just not spook & run away when they are playing in his immediate vicinity? snort….
Some people just have not gotten the message that the economy has tanked & the horse market is not what it once was. They just keep breeding more horses. Even if the economy was good, breeding horses with no plan and no knowledge will not work well. Really, it won’t.
Humans really really annoy me.
I agree it would be interesting to see the total number of horses that were created to “roll the dice” that the next best thing futurity winner would be the result. That is a lot of horses that aren’t going to make it to the big time.. and a whole lot of horses that probably end up lamed or destined for short show careers due to early over use. (I have one in the pasture) It would also underscore the risk that too many of the same bloodlines are getting overproduced and distilled to the point where problems can develop (HYPP was the result of that practice from what I understand). There has to be a balance between breeding for quality and allowing enough diversity in to prevent those inbred (linebred) issues. I was told by a cattle farmer. The only difference between inbreeding and linebreeding is that linebreeding “works”.
HYPP was a genetic mutation, a fluke. Impressive wasn’t inbred; in fact he was an appendix quarter horse. The HYPP contributed to his look/build that helped make him such a successful halter stallion. When I was a kid I worked as a trail guide at a stable in the 80′s during the Impressive craze and we hated Impressive horses because they were nuts. My current barn owner was at the Congress the first year Impressive won the Congress halter class and said he took 4 handlers because he was such a dangerous maniac.
Impressive was grossly linebred. Sorry but breeding half siblings turns my stomach!
Impressive was most certainly inbred which you can easily see by checking his pedigree, notice all the crosses to Three Bars? He also was registered as an AQHA horse, not an appendix. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/impressive6
Oops Yes Three Bars top and bottom. But he was born appendix, earned his aqha registration as a three year old. Somehow I had thought if he was half thoroughbred he wasn’t inbred but yes looking at his pedigree I see same lines top and bottom. It just always stuck in my head when I heard he was actually born appendix.
anyone else notice his front feet kind of go off in thier own directions?
Is that even the same horse? Do Appy’s manes change color like that?
Appies can change color a lot. What does not change on any horse breed is skin color and the white skin on the muzzle does not match up at all. I concur, different horse.
Poor Sully – that boy needs an upgrade SO bad.
I had the pleasure of working with 2 stallions with Dreamfinder bloodlines (one was a son, the other a grandson). They were both some of the sweetest, gentlest horses you’ll ever meet – but the one that also had impressive bloodlines was a little quirky. The first one I would describe as kid safe – in fact he taught several small children how to ride over the years. At 16 he’s now a gelding happily munching grass in his retirement home.
I will see you a half broke Appy stud, and raise you … er… whatever this is:
http://fortwayne.craigslist.org/grd/2687020254.html
3 Year Old Quarter Horse Stud Colt – $500 (Oswego, IN.)
Date: 2011-11-16, 1:05PM EST
Reply to: sale-5eqa7-2687020254@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]
3 year old unregistered and unbroke stud colt for sale. Tye has a very laid back personality. He can be registered through the American Quarter Horse Association if the buyer so chooses to do so. I own both his Sire: Code Red Beau, and his Dam: Macs Joeledojackie. Tye has fairly good ground manners. Has been bathed and does not mind water. Has never been clipped so not sure how he would do with it. Not to bad with his hooves. Up to date on shots, worming and has a negative coggins. He really has not had much done with him because of to many horses, work constraints and some family medical problems. He is not suitable for children at this point since he is not broke. I fully believe that he will make someone a terrific horse that has the time to work with him. If interested please email me with your contact information and I will get back to you. Thanks for looking. $500 O.B.O
I call with two of a kind!
http://houston.craigslist.org/grd/2701890539.html
I especially like the “no scams” caveat at the end. Two untrained and ungelded horses standing in trash in the back yard next to the trampoline…and the thing to worry about is being scammed…
Those two definitely need an upgrade and a trip on the gelding bus but again, not deplorable looking.
I call, but this wins. How the hell do horses survive tethered in a junkyard without ripping themselves to shreds? If I had any of those dozen or more bad husbandry situations going, I’d be calling a vet in 10 minutes. Does God have a special love for horses owned by idiots?
Those two stallions being together and not killing each other is a true testament to their temperaments. They would make great geldings!
We kept our 2 four year old stallions together for a year before we gelded them in the Spring. We also had a gelding in with them that thought he was a stallion. The ranch keeps their 2 breeding stallions together during the winter when they are not with their mares. There are just some horses you can and some you can’t…
Does God have a special love for horses owned by idiots?
He/she must. If my horse walks past something sharp, he needs stiches. He can stab himself with a sharp piece of hay, or cut himself on a chunk of wood that got into the pine shavings. I can get so paranoid about him, I must seem crazy.
Your hand wins– at least mine is willing to admit that her little darling isn’t suitable for children (yet…).
OMG Tye is a cutie. His back is a little long agreed but without all that winter hair and some body conditioning, I think he looks like he would make a nice little gelding. His breeding isn’t deplorable either although I noticed he is double Impressive on the top.
I sometimes long for the good ole days before the interwebz, when I could successfully ignore the stupidity of other people.
http://www.aqhastallions.com/Sully.html
definately photoshoped – check out his mane colour!
What a confusing ad. What does Loretta Lynn have to do with anything and what is being given away Free with Contract?
Totally a different horse!! Look at the mottling on his muzzle and the socks.
Also I don’t think the fetlock in the “halter” picture was ‘Shopped… I think there’s actually a pale butternut squash in the “pumpkin” arrangement that’s coincidentally almost the same color as his non-white parts.
These people are totally shady.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/wk+appsolutelyatitan
Check out his photo…I think he wins the most downhill horse of the century award..
Ha this ad is painful to read…
An excerpt to get you excited ” he is do to be gelded on the 18th of this month so if ud like to keep him a compleet man lol , please let me know ASAP , i have been told he is 11 years of age and he is rideable as a compleet man boath saddle and bearback ,”
yep, it has pictures too!
http://appleton.craigslist.org/grd/2704302284.html
My freakin’ eyes are bleeding after reading that!
You guys are all pretty harsh on Sully. That is the same horse, from a yearling to an aged horse. Appaloosa’s change color…period. Their manes can and do change from black as a young horse to white….I have had a solid buckskin with NO characteristics change to essentially a white horse with brownish black points. Have had a dark chocolate bay with a black tail get snowflakes all over, “grew” mottles and his tail is now white and his mane is striped black and white. The colors change.
I think he looks really kind, but does need to be a gelding. He is probably registered as a chestnut roan, and the darker legs/mane/tail are probably dark red in the baby pic, and he has lightened with roaning and age…..
Sheesh, go easy.
I am completely aware of exactly how an Appy changes colour, thank you.
What it does not do, CANNOT do is change base colour. The horse is registered as a Red Roan (now we all know he is not roan, that is just the way ignorant people explain the coat colour) RED roan. The picture is of a horse that presents as Buckskin- with a black mane and tail 9or dark grey anyway) and that Appy does not and CANNOT do, even though it does do some pretty funky things with a horses coat colour.
The other thing I would doubt is that the pony shown is 15.2 hh.
Sheesh Kirri, CHILL…you obviously DO NOT know how appaloosas change, and check the picture out he was LIVER colored NOT black when younger, probably kept inside so he did not bleach out, to show him. The first picture is NOT a buckskin horse, nor does he have black points. IF you would like, I can find some pictures of appaloosa that change, how about every baby that I see that is a gorgeous dark chestnut, liver, and the next year or two they lighten into a regular red horse?? Have you ever seen that? Hint, it happens in QH’s and paints too. They look almost BLACK but they are RED.
I am saying he needs to be gelded and make someone a nice horse. He has a kind eye, and is cute. I bet he would be a nice horse if someone took some time with him.
I’ll give you, the mane might change color. What won’t change color is the underlying skin color. That futurity colt has pink skin completely surrounding his nostril, mouth and lower jaw. This picture of Sully? Gray/black skin with a small amount of mottling. Not the same horse.
BTW he is registered as a chestnut or sorrel, I just checked at the Appaloosa Horse Club. Maybe someone should call and find out what his injury is/was and then criticize…..just sayin’
Why people try to sell studs blows my mind. Its like “let me drive past the rescue full of dogs needing homes to the pet store and buy my “pure bred,” puppy mill, cancer bred dog instead.” There are so many things wrong with this ad its just crazy.
1. Who in their right mind puts a picture of their child pantless on the internet? Granted yes he’s got underwear on but still, I would NEVER put an older childs picture on the net if he was pantless. (I say older child cause I am that new mom who takes a thousand pictures of her neborn, even the bath tub ones, and put them on FB but my kid is covered up and you can’t see what needs to stay private)
2. her children are barefoot, BAREFOOT!!!! What the fuckity fuck!?!?! I don’t care how bomb proof your horse is, thats DANGEROUS!! Can someone get her the mom of the year award please???
3. Seriously? When did it become a good idea to take sale photos in someones back yard where all their kids shit is laying around and not to mention the hose coiled up near his feet. How is that attractive? That says to me, “I don’t give shit about finding him a good home I just want him out!”
4. If you don’t feel like having the matching tack then don’t photograph him with tack on at all. Its annoying when people mix their tack for sale photos. Please just give him a bath, brush him out, oil his feel and find a nice clean leather halter to show him in. Thank you.
5. Don’t try to pull wool over our eyes and show us two different horses and on top of that photo shop two different horses. It’s obvious you used the free downloaded program from the interent and read the “how to” secton of the webite to figure out how to poorly cover up something that we can all blatenly see. Dumb ass…
6. His feet are turned out, they’re too small for his frame and find a new farrier cause one of his toes is long as hell. Did he start to flip out and your farrier decided to stop cause it became dangerous or is that your own hack job? His hawks are turned in, not terrible but you can tell you tried to hide it with the angle you used to take the photo. For heaven sakes fix his freakin’ mane! half of it is long and the half is short. He looks like a hot mess! The only thing this horse has going for him is his kind eye and cute face. And honey, you can’t sell a horse based off looks these days.
7. I laugh when people tell me their horse is “bomb proof” thats the biggest load of shit I have ever heard. NOTHING is bomb proof!!! I rode a horse for years that someone told me was bomb proof and nothing spooked him, well one day we were on a hack and for whatever reason that day the wind got up his butt and we went for quite the ride. Another side note: during a HUGE parade in coronado for 4th of July, a horse that had been doing this parade for YEARS and never once shyed away or anything got the wind up his butt and flipped over onto his rider in the middle of the street. The parade was stopped while they waited for EMTs to come get her and bring her to the hospital. NO HORSE IS BOMB PROOF!!! THEY’RE ANIMALS NOT MACHINES.
8. The chain in the mouth just goes to show how “quiet” he really is. *sigh* people amaze me….
Fix the horse, pray to the gods he finds a good home that will geld him and don’t turn him into dog food.
Then call social services and have this woman fined for putting her children in danger…
“What the fuckity fuck!?!?!” LMAO – this made me laugh!
Otherwise yuo, spot on
Lol thanks nutmegs! It’s my favorite saying!!! Along with Awesomely Fantasic for the positive side of things! LMAO!!!
I feel like the F bomb really gets the emotion accross to people! Lmao!!!
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I meant to hit reply not add another comment below. Whoops!!! lol
I agree with just about everything, except the part about tack.
Yes, it may be annoying when people mismatch tack, BUT, I would much rather see a horse being ridden (even though Sully is not) in mismatched tack than standing around being well behaved in a halter. To me, it just shows that the horse can actually behave under saddle long enough to snap some photos.
http://www.operationhorserescue.blogspot.com
True, but if it were a perfect world I would much rather see a video of the horse going instead of a picture. Pictures just capture one moment in time but a video gets it all. Its easier to read a horses behavior in a video than it is in a picture. The only point I was trying to make was it looked unprofessional and sloppy. A professional sale barn would have their horses more put together and their own shit together.
When my clients prepare to a sale shoot they get prepare as if they’re going to the Olympics. Their horses a clean, braided and put together. The rider is in appropriate show clothes and their tack looks brand new. It comes down to being professional and having class.
Ha and they do horse appraisals…
Look very,very carefully at the “show pose”photo. That is not a lump,it is part of the Halloween/Fall decoration on the tub behind the leg. I agree,different horse in this picture from “Sully”..Wish I could go see him and see what’s really wrong with whitchever leg it is..
I agree. I pulled the image into Photoshop and yanked the curves around for a bit. The leg does look a little swollen but that large lump in the front part of it is part the decorations. Looks like a gourd or white pumpkin.
Thank you to whomever it was upwards in the comments, for providing the link to Sully’s page at aqhastallions dot com.
If you look at the progression in his coat as he ages, the mottling on his muzzle, etc. Yes the horse does change color over time, but some do. So what? Does color alone change the quality of the horse? It may change the price for some people, but never the quality.
What was pointed out as photoshopped in the halter pic… Maybe they did, but did anyone stop to consider maybe it was done in an attempt to clean things up. Looks to me like the background props add to the idea that it may be that leg/joint with the issue. But looking at the rest of the pics on “Sully’s page- the fetlock may seem ‘questionable’, but not so bad as described in the Fugly post.
The mismatched tack, wouldn’t be a deal breaker to me, but if the horse is at a fine place like Varner’s hopes to be, then why couldn’t someone step up and loan them a western headstall for a few quick pic’s?
Anyone notice these gems from their sale page?
“We also accept trades *something other then another horse*.”
“Preview and test rides are welcome with Cash in hand of course.”
“All sales are final, no refunds, no guarantees, no warrenties expressed or implied.
Horses sold for $1000.00 or less are sold without Registration.”
It makes me wonder if Ms. Loretta Lynn really has anything to do with this place or if she is just a namesake to be used. If she does- this does not bode well for her in business practices.
Overall it sounds more to me like someone has either a wicked case of jealousy going on or they are completely clueless. Sad would the be the one who has a case of both.
Mugly did you see this on their webpage?
DO NOT print or copy any images from this Website.
I am sure that I will be flogged here but hey, won’t be the first time.
I don’t see the big deal with this “Sully” horse.
What the heck happened to buyer beware with horses?
Sometime over the last year, there has been this insane battle cry of “bad ads = bad owner”. Really?
Those of us who have even sense to correctly judge a horse for our personal needs or take a trainer, vet, or otherwise qualified equine professional with us for a horse we are SERIOUSLY interested in really don’t need to see yet another poorly written ad with questionable photos drug all over the internet.
I say, if the person trolling CL for a horse does not have the sense to take an equine professional with them and get a pre-purchase vet exam as well as demand records to back up things like “This horse had an MRI to prove the “bump” is cosmetic” then they deserve whatever broke down nag they end up with.
Quit putting blame on other and start preaching personal responsibility. It’s YOUR fault as a buyer if you don’t notice the horse limping around. It’s YOUR fault as a buyer if you can’t visible see the external body condition that is indicative of worms. It’s YOUR fault as a buyer if you get bucked off a horse that you bought even though the owner refused to show you how it rode.
This is half of what is wrong with the equine industry. People want to blame someone else instead of looking themselves in the mirror and saying, “DAMN, I am stupid.”
I am going to agree with Naughtytobiano on this thing.
I think people are really overly critical of ads.
I think people are overly critical of kids in pictures, too.
Whoever had an issue with the child in a diaper, REALLY? I guess IMNSHO its pretty normal for a kid of that age to run around their yard in a tshirt and diaper/underwear, you cant see anything that might make a pedophile hot, so what is the big deal? But then, I took this awesomely adorable picture of these 3 babies.. like 2-3 year olds sitting on the edge of a round water trough they had been playing in… naked. The parents didn’t care. It was in a semi-public place.. well a private place at a party, really. I come from the generation of parents embarrassing their kids by showing their first boy/girlfriend naked baby pictures. These days, its probably a crime that I even have that picture.
The kids are not even that close to the horse. and his reaction to the kids looks like, hey, what are you up to. Hes calming looking at them. Interested, not spooky or upset looking. Its a unnecessary picture. It says I am comfortable putting my horse in this situation, I guess.
Honestly, having those kids there might not be the safest thing, but life isn’t safe and kids get hurt. Its how they learn, only now playgrounds aren’t even allowed to have swing sets… I guess I have seen a lot worse bad parenting around horses pictures that this one doesn’t even register…
As for matched or miss matched tack? Honestly? When I look at horses for sale, I look at if I think the horse can do what I want it to do and if I think the price is in the right ballpark for what the horse can do/has done/should be able to do. If they do not provide sufficient pictures, I ask for more. Obviously, better pictures make your horse look better, and you might be more replies. If the pictures are crappy, those that look for more info because the horse might be what they are looking for might get a bargain. I would rather see a crappy picture than no picture at all.
If they were claiming he had been shown in some performance event, I MIGHT question why they didn’t have a photo of it, or the horse in show tack, but other than registering that these people are not professionals or even competent amateurs at selling horses, (which isnt a requirement, heck, it might even be a benefit…) I don’t really care.
As for the question about if it is the same horse.. I do not see anything, knowing what I know about appy color that makes me seriously question it being the same horse. Mottling is like freckles… they can change. He is a varnish roan, and they DO get whiter as they age.
As for the injury.. THAT sounds shady, but if I was interested in buying an appy trail horse, the price was right, and willing to deal with the gelding processes, I would send them an email for sure.
As for him being a stallion? HELL NO, but he HAS been shown, successfully, even if just in halter at a small show, and he is broke (they say).. these people are doing a lot better than a lot of the horse industry..
As for the photoshop? why don’t you post a blow up, mugly? He WON or placed at the futurity. I do not think he would have if he had a blown up leg, and I think if they were photoshopping they would have tried to clean it up more. I would ask them about it, or for a higher quality scan or something.
I guess I see this ad as kind of incompetent.. but definitely not horrendous on the scale..
It’s not just in the equine industry, it’s eveywhere. People don’t want to take responsibility for their own decisions. It’s always somebody elses’ fault. Prime exambles are the number of foreclosures taking place. Nobody forced anybody to buy a house they can’t afford. Hell put it on credit, we’ll deal with paying for it later. Well, Later has come and Hell is being paid.
Lol thanks mugs! It’s my favorite saying!!!
Along with Awesomely Fantasic for the positive side of things! LMAO!!!
I feel like the F bomb really gets the emotion accross to people! Lmao!!!
this mare isn’t even broke and yet she goes english and western……
http://kelowna.kijiji.ca/c-pets-livestock-for-sale-Beaituful-tobiano-paint-mare-for-sale-W0QQAdIdZ319544438
Okay people, I’m sorry *ducks head and prepares to get flamed* but does it not bother anyone else about the grammatical disaster we appear to be floundering in here? I’m pretty sure a stallion has semen and makes baby horses when bred to a mare, and a stud is a breeding farm.
I personally don’t think it’s the end of the world if this fellow makes a few babies here and there. It’s pretty backyard billy, but he’s been shown, gathered a smattering of points, has been trained and ridden to some extent. Clearly he’s head and shoulders above most of craigslist’s offerings of 4 month old colts being sold as stallion material with no halterbreaking, deworming or foot trimming in sight. Clearly the lady who’s selling him doesn’t have much of a clue, but he’s well fed, and doesn’t look too miserable.
I’m sure there’s better cannon fodder out there than this.
actually, if you click this link, http://www.aqhastallions.com/Sullyfuturity1.jpg and use control + to make the picture bigger, you can CLEARLY see his leg is NOT blown up, but that there is a white thing behind it, and it does not appear photoshopped to me.
My Impressive grandson is turning 30 in January. Until about a year and a half ago, he’d never taken a misstep in his life. Then the arthritis started to catch up with him, but to make it to twenty-eight completely sound, that’s well, pretty… impressive. I know that isn’t the case with all Impressive babies, but it also isn’t true that all of them are unsound and useless. He has the best temperment of any horse I’ve ever known or worked with, especially with children. He always went anywhere I pointed his nose on the trail, but he still had plenty of personality and spunk. He chased cows, ran full speed through deep snow, jumped logs and streams, and did many other generally irresponsible things that little girls love to do. He was never lame. We’ve been together nearly thirteen years, and I couldn’t have asked for a better first horse.
Sully looks like a good old guy, hope someone nice buys him. His back legs are a horror and the thought that he has points in halter is shocking to someone not associated with the hot mess stock breeds have become. Look at those posty cow hocked legs – it’s a wonder he can move at all! Grade horses are mostly at least normal looking compared to that.
OT / On Nashville Craigslist this morning:
http://nashville.craigslist.org/grd/2709888553.html
Because the world needs more “baby pony”ies that think they are dogs, and a child really needs a “baby pony” as a Christmas present. This lovely piece of marketing from the local horse rescue…..
(I really, really hope they’ve gelded him…)
I didn’t see the real ad on Sully but I know the futurity picture was taken as a yearling. I trained and showed him as a weanling for the original breeders. Someone else showed him as a yearling. He was your typical yearling stallion, that was was being fed like a halter horse, so yes, they used a chain in his mouth. He was then sold to Loretta Lynn’s farm. I lost track of him after that. As far as the photo shopping on his back leg…Im not sure whats goin on there cause there was no injury or anything to hide there when the picture was taken.
BTW, the picture on All Breed is also at the same show as the halter picture when Sully was a yearling.