OK, America, who IS the owner of these horses?
May 19 2011
I heard about this story a little while ago, but all efforts to get a definite address and information on the property owner failed until now. Apparently some asshat abandoned over a hundred horses and at least one donkey or mule, on land owned by a corporation in Wharncliff, West Virginia. Despite the fact that the horses have been there for YEARS with no care, the business doesn’t seem to think it is their problem.
News Story – but you need to watch the video to see the horses’ condition
Now, as to this bit of bullshit that they were purchased recently and turned loose to gain weight (how? I see nothing but weeds!), some clever person found this article. Allow me to quote: “I know they’ve been there at least eight or 10 years, back when the [Twisted Gun] golf course was under construction,” Uh, yeah. Someone left them there, but the locals are afraid to say who owns them. OK, locals, here is your chance. You can post it anonymously here on the Fugly blog! Who dumped these horses? Oh, and in grand internet fashion, some worthless piece of shit named Carrie Williams already ran around Facebook and collected hay money for these horses. Shockingly, NO HAY ever showed up. No, really? Folks, STOP sending money to people you know nothing about. Wait until a proper rescue gets involved and you know that your money is going to the horses. Unfortunately, because of what Carrie did, the rumor went around that there were no starving horses. That is not true. The news footage was just shot BY the news staff this week. The horses ARE starving and they DO need help. The owner of the property is:Pocahontas Land Corporation
800 Princeton Avenue
Bluefield, WV 24701
Phone – (304) 324-2400 I am not very clear on whether Mingo County has any sort of actual, effective animal control but I will say that I know HSUS is involved and following up. When I know what you can do, I will update the post. Right now, I just want to know this: Who owns the horses? Are you a local who knows the whole story of where the horses came from? Post here — you can be anonymous and STILL out the person(s)!
In other news, who is John Duarte and anybody know anything about THIS particular clusterfuck?
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My God, is that mange on those skeletal, lame, bleeding horses? Someone surely knows the whole story, or stories here. I’d be willing to bet that the story of the horses being there for years and the story of horses that just showed up from auction are both true. And if someone knows some of them just came from auction they most surely know WHO hauled them there, from where and paid for by WHOM.
I’m not sure which pisses me off more, that someone just dumped those horses off to “die” or this Carrie person for using these poor animals to scam people. I know this shit happens every day but please someone who gave $ to this whore follow through and prosecute her. Do it for the principle of righteousness, not for the money. The laws don’t do enough against thieves like her, we need to set an example of “people” like her so maybe she’ll think twice about ever trying again. I wish I could believe that the truck hauling the hay broke down but we all know that would never be the case in America.
That video sure raises some questions. Why does the black & white pinto look to be in great health and weight? It’s obvious that it is receiving some level of care – so that might lend credence to the fact that the skinny horses were purchased recently.
However, that doesn’t excuse the obvious lack of medical care. What the heck is wrong with that chestnut horse’s face? Holy cow! And leaving a halter and trailing leadrope on the donkey? WTF?
People there know whose horses these are. But West Virginia is full of hillbilly clans, they won’t talk to “outsiders”.
I wonder if it is a dumping ground for unwanted horses, and the thinnest have been there the longest?
You know, when you think about it that actually makes sense. Locals in the area know the land owner does not give a shit, and if they just come at night and drop off a horse that is becoming to expensive and they can’t sell etc no one will say anything. It may not be ONE owner or ONE herd of horses, it could very vell be the neighborhood dumping ground and that is why the locals won’t say whos horses they are, they are a little bit of everybodies that became inconvenient.
Yep, and as they are dropping them off I’m sure they are thinking SOMEBODY will rescue them. Come on, at least have the balls to take your horse to a rescue or euthanize it if it has some insane issue that you can’t afford. It’s amazing what people will do when they think nobody is watching.
They have a dog dumping ground here where I live:
http://www.nowcastsa.com/blogs/evrard/cemetery-dogs-san-jose-burial-park
I guess installing video cameras is too much to ask/hope for?
Anything is too much to ask for from the city. Multiple people in my neighborhood called animal control multiple times over a period of about 4-5 months because my neighbors would let their 2 pit bulls run around the neighborhood. Animal control never showed up, but the police did, and they shot the dogs when they attacked someone.
My grandparents are from a “hillbilly clan” not far from Bluefield. I still have some relatives there, and a very dim memory of a place where domestic horses were said to be “liberated.” I don’t know where I heard of it, but it could be a very old practice, as I’ve also heard that some of the mining ponies were similarly “liberated” and some folks say small herds of them still survive in the mountains.
Can we concentrate on the horses and leave the derogatory hillbilly comments out? Jeez. Speaking as a Hatfield from Kentucky, we’ve almost completely stopped moonshinin’ and feudin’ in Appalachia now. We’ve even got that new-fangled internet you hear tell of.
lol…all the moonshiners might have stop but only because mountains hide some of the biggest marijuana crops in the country instead.
Now now, no need to generalize that us West Virginians are “clans” of hillbilly’s that won’t talk to outsiders. I think there are “close knit” hillbillys that feel the need to protect the good ole boy types everywhere, not just in WV. There are plenty of West Virginians that are appalled at this, (me being one of them!)and are hoping to help however, whenever and not the least bit concerned about protecting the jerks that did this.
That being said I am sure that this started out as a single person who did this, and slowly but surely everyone discovered a place to get “rid” of their problem/unwanted horses. It’s a sad fact that while there are many people who have horses here in WV that do it right, (ME, Me, Me!) there are those who think you can throw a horse out in the field, fenced with barb wire, give it nothing but the grass that grows, and that includes all that grass that continues to grow all winter (right!*eye roll*), no hoof care, no shots, no wormer, and ride the fire out of it, and get rid of it when it breaks down. But those types are every where in the US!
I certainly hope that something can be figured out, and quickly! According to the FB (http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_123016107778208) site the HSUS went out and all the horse they could find were in “excellent” condition, Now I don’t believe that for a second! They went on to say that something still needed to be done about the breeding that was happening out there, so that leads me to believe there must be uncut horses out there, or mares that have been bred and then dropped…
It’s a sad situation to be sure and one I would love to see get resolved. As far as I know, there is no Animal Shelter in Mingo Co, and certainly not one that can handle this many horses….
Is that a catch rope on the donkey?? what the hell
Yes. I hope the halter isn’t small or it’s grown into his face by now. Probably been there for years and years.
I don’t know whose Facebook it was on…maybe this Carrie Williams. One of my friends comment on the photos which made it so I could see them. It was over a week or so ago, and I am 99% sure that it was this same place. The horse in the photos was dead (or so they said…it didn’t look good.) and looked like it was in a fire, or had a horrible infection that took over. The skin was just falling off of it. Similar to the chestnut in the video (who looks A LOT like the ones in the photos.) Comments on the photos said the local animal control (or cops?? I don’t remember) didn’t care, but have been contacted.
However they got there it’s sick. I hate irresponsible horse owners.
http://www.wildponybeast.com
A man who killed a puppy by throwing it against a wall is subject to a 3 strikes conviction, which would mean 25 years to life.
Sick fucks abound. How depressing…
I agree with Fugs, it looks like a drop off for abandoned horses and they formed a herd. If they’re supposed to be “fattened” maybe the next road is South. At least someone is complaining.
Hope all the TB broodies get some TLC. Was the downed mare saved?
I have to repeat in my head “Most people love their animals and are appalled at this stuff” sometimes it works.
When seeing all those horses just turned loose to fend for themselves (in an area not obviously conducive to that) my first thought was “I wonder if any horse lover, in the dead of night, took one or two home with them.” Yes, it is technically stealing but I’m pretty god damn sure no one is counting them. If I lived in the area, it would certainly be an option I would have considered when they began declining due to non-existent care. How do you explain your new horse? They were free on Craigslist! There are certainly enough horses being dumped on there with no paper trail.
Actually, why would it be stealing? I don’t mean to sound stupid, but they aren’t on government land, the current land owners say they know nothing about it, and no one is willing to claim ownership. Why not simply go out, load them up, ship them off to rescues/sales/private homes, and be done with it? I’m sorry if I sound mean, but this situation sounds like a fairly simple one to solve. Granted, no one is going to be prosecuted, but I have a feeling that won’t be an option anyway, because I’m going to bet that these horses are what everyone was talking about when they said that people were just ‘turning horses loose’ in Kentucky. Different state, but very very similar stories otherwise.
As for the mange, horses with big health problems are frequently the ones that get dumped, so it makes sense that some pretty nasty diseases would be running around that herd. At least one of the video clips showed a horse with seriously screwed up movement, like it had wobbles or EPM or something similar.
At the very least, someone could take them to an auction. As skinny as some of them are, I’m sure they’d get people who feel bad for them. And I doubt they’d have much value to the meat many anyway.
Plus, as horrible as it sounds, what’s worse, spending a couple of days in a trailer and having a quick, but scary and painful death, or a long, drawn out one that’s probably just as painful? I can’t imagine any of those horses making it through the winter.
Strange that a few of those horses look to be in pretty good condition and then there are those that are horrific. I wonder if this is somebody’s `rescue’ attempt. Getting them free and then turning them out to `run free’ or something misguided like that. Hopefully, most of them can be saved and rehomed. There looks to be some nice solid horses in there. Does anybody know if any are breeding? Hopefully they are all geldings and mares and not a growing herd that way.
Today when I got to work, one of the guys in the department had a box of puppies, three white “poodly-foofy” looking dogs that were in deplorable condition. One had an eye issue, one’s face looked to be covered with poop, they ALL needed baths and haircuts, etc. He left them in the director’s office until the pound opened and then took them there for evaluation.
My first comment was, TAKE CARE OF YOUR ANIMALS. I have NO sympathy for anyone who mistreats that which we are supposed to be STEWARDING, and as for the whore Carrie Williams, let’s make a special Hell for HER, too. She’s probably of the “I’m entitled” crowd and anyone stupid enough to fork over $$ without checking her out first deserves to be taken.
Disgusting.
I’m not seeing a link for the video anywhere.
Well that’s strange, after getting home from work and looking on my own computer there’s the video big as day, and it’s sickening to watch. Interesting though that a couple of the horses look to be in good weight next to the rest of the walking hat racks. There’s definitely a story to be told.
Not that it is either here nor there but the original Animals Angels that began in Europe has ceased operations in the US according to their website as another group claiming to be them has been going to auctions and documenting. I find the whole thing somewhat interesting as the US website seems to have the same logo as the foreign one but they are no longer joined together. Either way I think both the US and the foreign Animals Angels are doing an excellent job. They don’t seem to go into the emotional hysterics that some animal rights groups and rescuers do which just ads to the opinion that rescuer are nutcases. They seem to be very professional and document everything quite well.
IMHO if most groups went about things as they do, I think more people would support humane treatment of livestock. I run the other way when people start spouting off that horses are being murdered and calling them babies and spouting off biblical verse. It just really ruins credibility.
RE: The TB’s mares. I would not rely on halter name plates for proper ID. Olivias Rose is listed as a chestnut. Most of the times when a horse is sent to the farm from the track, they are not going to send with a nice new halter. There is always a collection of “spares” around from horses who got claimed or upgraded halters, etc. My big black TB gelding currently wears a halter with a nameplate that matches a petite chestnut filly lol. I seriously doubt that whatever scumbag did this to these poor mares did not go through the trouble of matching halters to horses.
As for the “wild herd”, I would guess somebody dumped a handful and then it just became a dumping ground for anybody with a horse that didn’t want them or couldn’t care for them. I imagine in that area there is already a low market for horses, let alone something fugly or unbroke, so they just turn them out there rather than inccur more costs. Whats even sadder is that if those horses have been there for that long and it seems like plenty of people have seen then, then why are they JUST NOW doing something about it? That many people saw that many starving horses and didn’t say SOMETHING??? Very sad, and deplorable of that woman to scam people.
OT Stuff like this makes you want to deny you have anything to do with rescue:
http://www.examiner.com/dogs-in-national/heartbreak-at-loonie-farms-as-horror-of-death-uncovered
They are actually looking for this woman, her picture is in the article. Another lady is looking for her Horse that was at this “sancruary” Just terrible.
I am just aghast at this situation. She runs away leaving nothing alive but a pair of chickens, LOCKING puppies in their cages??? How the hell does she sleep at night? I was responsible for two guinea pigs dying over 20 years ago, and I still have nightmares about it (left them in a apartment for the weekend, A/C unit broke down and they died of heat stroke). Well, people look at dead or dying children and do nothing, so it shouldn’t surprise us that they can look at animals starving to death in their backyard and not care.
Furthermore, I simply can not believe that people from the Sheriff’s office, the Secretary of State and the Department of Agriculture were at that place TWO MONTHS AGO and found “nothing wrong.” What. The. F*CK. They actually believed that creature when she told them the multiple skeletons were there because she received so many animals she couldn’t save??? There is an extra-toasty place in hell for people like her… and so much for the stupid “inspections.” It pisses me off no end when I drive by the billboards here in MO sponsored by “USDA Licensed and Inspected (puppy) Breeders.” That truly is not worth absolutely nothing.
*IS worth absolutely nothing
(Wish we had an edit function!)
When I lived in Northern Virginia, I heard from a local that Marriott had a lot of horses on land in WV. The horses were from resorts that had rental horses.
I’ve been a lurker for years and finally decided to post. I lived in Southeast Ohio growing up and until a couple years ago and rumor had it that there were several dumping grounds like this in West Virginia and Kentucky. One of the good ol boys I learned to ride with (not that bad a good ol boy as far as that goes but old school) actually talked about going down to round a couple up for us a couple more riding horses. There were even a couple turned loose in our local reclaimed strip mines that eventually found their way into civilization. I can only saw it as hearsay though as I was never an eyewitness to the dumps in WV and KY. But a local common knowledge dump off site does not surprise me. And explains the different stages of negelct. And diseases. Got an old grade horse with some disease that needs a vet? Nope just take it out to the mines and turn it loose. I first heard about it at least 8 years ago when I was looking to buy my first horse. That’s how I remember the subject being brought up. Now that this herd is found I’m sure others will be.
I have been following these horses ever since the photos first appeared on FB as I live just 2.5 hours away. I have offered several times to foster up to 5 of the horses. Animal Control has my name and number along with some rescues that are trying to help out. They have a FB page with all the latest updates. Search, Help Save Mingo Horses.
No one knows the whole story, or at least, isn’t telling. Even the 2 news stations had conflicting stories. WOWK portrayed the skinny horses with rotten skin and WCHS showed fat healthy horses running free
Can someone help this horse. I already have one to feed otherwise I would take him. I had to convince myself so hard that I couldn’t afford another horse so I’m trying to get the word out for him so hopefully he can get more grocery’s and some new digs to live at.
http://bozeman.craigslist.org/zip/2382627397.html
Arrrrrgh! ‘Drops weight every Spring DUE TO AGE, but after [I start feeding him again and there's grass since I apparently can't *give him hay* or soaked cubes or something during the winter and early spring] he gains weight again!’
WTF.
“he drops weight every spring due to his age” Uh..maybe because he needs to be grained during the winter as well, not just when he’s looking skinny. Idiot. Hey, but at least she’s trying to fined him a better home that will hopefully know better. Let’s hope she doesn’t get duped by the meat man.
Okay, I’m going to play the Devil’s Advocate on this one. Maybe someone should send this woman some information on proper care and feeding of an older horse? It could very well be that she doesn’t know that older horses just get skinny sometimes. I love Fugly’s snarky ways! That said, snark isn’t always the most effective way of dealing with individuals, particularly those who are being informed that they could be doing a faaaar better job of caring for their horse.
Here’s my story, maybe this story will result in someone actually e-mailing owners like this one or pulling someone with a skinny old horse aside and letting them know that it doesn’t have to be skinny just because it’s older and send them in the direction of some good information about the care and feeding of our old friends. Yes, I know that this won’t always help the situation, maybe it won’t even help very often.
When I was very young I was given an older pony mare. The vet estimated that she was in her early 20′s when she came to stay with us. She was never a fat pony by any means, but looked good through her mid-20′s. Around her mid-20′s(in hindsight, looking back at photos) she started losing weight. This wasn’t terribly extreme, though knowing what I know now I can’t quite forgive myself for not changing the situation. I showed a little in 4-H, we took this pony on trail rides and rode her in parades. My father, who spent some years of his life on a dairy farm where horses were still actually used took care of her feet, as he had learned from his father and the farriers that were on the farm from time to time, our vets (there were about 4 at the clinic we used) were out yearly (at least, we raise cattle as well, so the vet was there several times a year for routine work) to check her teeth and give her her shots. The point I’m making here is that my pony and I were in regular contact with several people I trusted to know what was best for my pony. Her and my mother’s older gelding had very high quality hay (my father prides himself on the hay that he makes, and the lab test results and buyers back him up year after year) available 24/7; they were both fed an individually balanced ration of grain, minerals and supplements morning and night (calculated using nutrient requirement tables from respectable sources formulated using tested corn, oats, soybeans, linseed meal, beet pulp, sweet feed, ect, ect -you get the picture). She was ridden regularly, but very rarely ridden “hard” or asked to do much other than walk/trot (I wasn’t a terribly brave child, nor did I EVER want to push my old pony too far). Despite this I am not proud of what many of the photographs of us from her older years show me.
Here’s my point: EVERYBODY told me that my pony’s weight struggles were the natural result of aging. EVERYBODY! There was one time in a Showmanship class that the judge told me that my mare should “maybe have a little more weight on her” in a friendly tone. I thanked her, smiled, and waited for my blue ribbon wondering WTH more I could do about it. She was never horribly thin until the final weeks of her life, but the photos tell me that she was thin enough that I SHOULD have been doing more. I was a bright enough kid. I loved to read and I loved horses. None of the mountain of horse books I read told me to do anything differently. My mom came from the big city where she’d taken lessons and bought a race-track-reject quarter horse gelding. She knew what she knew and was helpful and supportive, but did not how to help my mare gain weight or that she didn’t HAVE to be skinny. Sometimes when I am reading this blog there is a part of me that is terribly upset to know that there WERE people who KNEW BETTER who were, most likely, talking and snarking about me and my pony behind my back. (Disclaimer: I enjoy the snark. I know that it’s Fugly’s approach, and I love it. It’s part of what keeps me coming back for more.) I’m pissed at them, seriously pissed off sometimes. I know that it was my responsibility to have known better. I know it was my responsibility to have taken better care of my pony, but would it have been soooooooo difficult for someone to stop snarking just long enough to have given a kid the title of a book or the name of a person (the internet wasn’t invented yet) where I could find the information to make my pony healthier?
Alfalfa cubes? Really. GD it!
I’m almost afraid to get out there and find my third horse (after a looong break without a rideable, sound one). What key ingredient will I be missing this time?
Alfalfa cubes.
I’ve got an e-mail to send.
“Here’s my point: EVERYBODY told me that my pony’s weight struggles were the natural result of aging. EVERYBODY!”
ME TOO. I used a horse for lessons when I was in my teens and early twenties that I am now APPALLED I used for lessons.
I was told it was normal. NO ONE told me you could fix it. The barn I worked for thought it was fine.
I snark on the blog…but I also am always happy to provide senior horse care information, and in real life, I have (politely!) educated many people. The problem is that you get your head bit off so many times for trying to help. I will bet that 50% of the time I try to help (nicely! I swear I’m nice in real life!) the person is receptive, and 50% of the time they tell me to MYOB or that old horses are skinny because they’re old or whatever. The bad responses are why people often just bite their tongues.
I worked horses at a place last summer where there was an old horse in very poor shape…owner had plenty of $$…I made some suggestions on feed and was promptly blown off and told the horse was happy. *sigh*
Okay, please don’t kill me with the craigslist lady, but I have a random but important question.
I’m looking at one of my Walkers (the gelding), and I’m pretty sure he has once again lost weight this spring. My horses are on free choice hay, out together during the day, in at night, grain once a day, free choice salt and Grostrong mineral in their stalls. He dropped weight this way last year, and it’s not a lot, but it DOES seem odd to me, since spring is when grass comes up, they aren’t using energy to protect their temperature like in winter or summer, and they generally should be less stressed I would think? Any suggestions on what might be the cause, eliminating teeth (done), age (10), or disease?
The whole story is on facebook on the page I’ve created since the photos surfaced. I got people together to email and calls the news, and the next day, this footage was shot.
We know a great deal more now, and all the info is on the facebook page under Help Save Mingo Horses – please join because the whole story is more than I can share here.
Tinia Creamer
http://www.equinerescue.weebly.com
That’s not the whole story.
Can we force ARA’s to watch this video to show them what happens when we “free the horses from slavery and let them run free like the wild mustangs”?
I LOVE your comment!
i know abit abut this story..seeing as iv lived in west virginia all my life..they were abandoned by an old strip mine near madison,wv if im correct..i dont see these horses getting justice because the animal laws here are very screwed up..there’s horses starving all over the place
Actually, there are some good laws on the books in WV< it's just about impossible to get the Sheriff's to enforce them. I've had much better luck in McDowell County with the State Police and we have gotten convictions.
No one is specifically the owner of these horses. I have heard of horse dumping grounds like this one in WVa and KY. I’m pretty sure I live in a renowned dog dumping ground. Like another poster who has heard of these grounds, I am also from southern Ohio. The existence of these places is pretty well-known even if you don’t know exactly where they are. As such, these animals don’t belong to any one person or community. I live ~150 miles from Wharncliffe, WV, but I knew there was supposedly a ground in either Mingo or McDowell County somewhere. So, that’s how far something like this spreads.
They’re facilitated by the fact that many, many counties in our tri-state region do not have animal control authorities. (It took us almost a year to have nineteen stray dogs removed from the property adjacent to ours.) There is also a lot of reclaimed and as-of-yet unmined land owned by mineral and mining corporations. No, they do not care. If they did care, I don’t imagine that you’d like the way they would be disposed. If Mingo is anything like the county I live in Ohio, then they would be allowed to kill any domestic animal on their property without notifying anyone.
I think dumping ground is the better theory. There has been a problem with horses being dumped in open land in Eastern KY, I think I saw something on Fugly once upon a time. So if “everyone’s” doing it, no “one” is to blame’s. It’s like a garbage dump for horses. Rural areas are filled with people who believe outsiders just have no business sticking their nose in.(I am from such a place.) And the good old boy network is very strong. It is unlikely these horses will get any local government justice. On the other hand, I can’t imagine anyone caring if someone drove down and picked up a few. Just come in early or late, try not to be seen, because if you pick up a horse and the “owner” finds out (or faux owner like the faux rescuer), suddenly you will be stealing a million dollar valued horse. Fleecing of outsiders is fair sport, which come to think of it, often applies in horse trading anywhere.
Fugs, thank you for your forum. I’ve been feeding and restoring to health a wonderful old ranch horse (21) with the information found here. He came to us by a friend of a friend who had not seen him in several months, but remembered him from his glory days. Hopefully those days are coming back soon as he is gaining weight steadily. What was a 2.5 Hennecke is now more like a 3-3.5.
I don’t want to hijack this valuable thread, but I need to discuss the next level of nutrition for the old man. This is my first time going down this road of restoring an animal to health. Vet, feet, deworming all done. Equine dentist on his way next week as he still tends to lose interest in hay.
Right now: He’s getting grain/beet pulp smush and 1.5 flakes of hay/day right now (4c. Senior Feed and 4 c. Safe Choice mixed with 5-6 c. (dry measure) soaked beet pulp along with 1.5 flakes of hay) More hay than that he ignores and grinds into his poo…or the Whale Mare finds it. Did not up the smush to this level until he consistently demonstrated that he would not eat more hay. Was told he “has always been a slow eater” even in his glory days.
Did not know a horse’s eyes could sink so deep into the skull that they would weep and simulate the look of blindness…..from the loss of periorbital fat. OMG. Not this boy….not anymore.
Should I cut down on beet pulp and add in some soaked alfalfa pellets?
I’d definitely do the alfalfa pellets and I’d also try the daily dewormer like Strongid C. Usually when they’re this thin, they have quite a worm load, and “normal” deworming doesn’t always clean it out. Does he ever crib, windsuck or display any sort of mild colic symptoms? The other thing I’d look at is ulcers…you can put him on an ulcer supplement pretty cheap and I’ve had them work. Ulcers are a common cause of lifetime poor appetite.
You can also make any sort of smush more appealing by shredding carrots into it with a potato peeler, or cutting up apples into fine chunks. We’ve done that…works great!
And THANK YOU for helping him!
OK. Need to go to TSC for Safe Choice and alfalfa pellets tonight. I wondered about ulcers and lifetime poor appetite, but poor appetite seems to have come to an abrupt end since he is being FED (no! really? that works?!!!) without having to compete for food, be harrassed by pasture mates, and fed a food he can chew.
He chews hay like a friggin’ camel – way sideways. Vet pointed out that his back teeth are crooked. We’ll see what the dentist says. He grazes on grass just fine.
The vet’s diagnosis for a horse in skinny condition: “agroceriosis”. :~D He’s snarky too, and I love him to pieces.
Could NOT find the facebook page it would not come up in a search. Please post a link.
Sorry, I’m not sympathetic to hillbilly clans, since my grandmother was shot by a member of one for turning him in for having a meth lab on HER property, and then his entire clan continued to harass her (dangerously) after he went to prison to the point where she had to move out of state and legally change her name. And this wasn’t back in the Hatfield & McCoy era, this was in the 90′s.
Nope, not a sympathetic bone in my body for any of them. And I never generalized ALL West Virginians. I just said WV was full of hillbilly clans. Which is true.
Ok…now back to the horses. I looked on Google Earth to see if I could find where the horses came from. Sometimes it is blatantly obvious where a large group of horses is because the bare dirt is like a red, flashing, neon sign in the sky. What immediately struck me about this area is how very remote and mountainous it is with very twisty, turny roads (and I’m from Oregon, so I’m used to those!). I’m sure that the entire town are workers at the mine. And I didn’t see a “real” town for miles. I could see a lot of horse and/or cattle pastures with livestock in them (probably horses was my guess – the pastures were paddock sized rather than large pastures for grazing cattle) around the homes. But I couldn’t find a particular place that looked like it had 100 horses on it.
I’m thinking that the “dumping ground” theory is right. And with them being dumped on a corporation’s property, which probably couldn’t care less, then everyone “wins” (except the horses, of course).
My farrier in northern Va. and his father had bought a bit over a hundred acres out in WV to use for hunting. They went riding out there one day and found a heard of about a dozen ponies wondering around with elf hooves. They got a few buddies and went out and set up a corral and drove them in. They tranq’d them and he had to use a hacksaw to get the toes off. They think the horses had been there for quite a while so they left them. Course he has now built a couple of lean-to type structures and after they had a well installed, he put up an auto waterer and delivers round bails to them. They’ve run them in to get trimmed and they still have to tranq them but they’re getting easier to work with. Sounds like this is rather common. Here in Fla that’s how we got the everglades thoroughbred bands. Back when all the southern tracks were still open it was quite common for trainers’ to dump horses in the everglades. Unfortunately now we have the large population of pythons in the everglades since people are dumping them there and they breed like rabbits!
As for the ‘Save the Mingo Horses’ page on Facebook. That was set up by Tinia Lucas Creamer and she was collecting money also. I asked who the photographer was that apparently went out to this site of dumped horses twice within 24 hours if you believe that the horse losing it’s skin in chunks was photographed standing and then the next picture of it was supposedly dead and that photo was 24 hours later. She was really doing to the whole frantic save the horses crap and never answered my question so I walked on by that one. She said she was trying to get a reputable rescue to set up a fund for everyone to send money to but supposedly per her farm’s website, she does equine rescue. Guess she isn’t reputable enough to set up the fund? I wouldn’t trust her either. Too many questions and no answers. HSUS has been out there and I don’t really know how they’ll deal with it all. I know there are plenty of horses, dogs, and cats that need my donations locally. I’d advise anyone who wants to donate time or money to any cause…do it LOCALLY.
found a heard…..oh hell I even laughed at that spelling myself! Maybe they heard a herd….that’s what I get for proofing after submitting! : )
The only thing I will disagree with here is that Tinia NEVER asked for donations and repeatedly told people NOT to donate to anyone at this time. The person who originally took the photos (of her own neglected horses, I suspect), Carrie Williams, is the one who was asking for money. Carrie had set up more than one paypal acct for this, sent direct emails to people asking for money, and claimed to use the money to buy hay for the horses but hay was never delivered. It was also discovered that the pictures were taken several years ago, not recently. If you read through the Save the Mingo County FB page you will not find one post where Tinia asked for donations.
No she didn’t ask on the save the mingo horses page. She posted it when the frenzy was going on under the pictures posted by someone else prior to her setting up the stmh page.
My sincerest apologies to Tinia Lucas Creamer. I had read too many things and then quit reading when people told me not to ask questions. My posts were on the original pictures and album on Mary Daniels photos. I just went back and read a bit more (there is just wwwwaayyy too much to read it all) and came across this post from Tinia on one of her pages. I was wrong on what I posted earlier and again, I apologize.
“Tinia Lucas Creamer
Let me remind people – the Ohio group stating the Mingo Humane Society promised them 6 horses is being very dishonest. They stated “So we are actively involved in this process. You are welcome to contact Mingo County Humane Society to verify that statement. William Queen number is 304-235-4581. So if anyone has any questions please contact MERF 740-688-9139.” Mingo County has NO HUMANE SOCIETY – Please look it up, folks – no such thing. Mr. Queen is simply the Animal Control officer – i.e. the guy who picks up stray dogs, etc. . Mr. Queen takes his directions from the commission, and the commission stated to me and another person today that NO one in Ohio would be allowed to take a single horse. Period. PLEASE people – do not donate anywhere – if you’re bound and determined to not listen to me – PLEASE call the commission directly and you will hear the exactly same thing I’m tell you -”
No Tinia never asked for money, the only thing she or I and others stated, was not to donate money to anyone at this time, because we didn’t know the whole story and no rescue had been appointed to be a fiscal agent or had been chosen to solicit funds.
FIrst, Tinia Lucas never asked for the first dime. Carrie Williams took the pictures of some horses, according to the date stamp embedded in the photos in 2008. Carrie Williams was asking people for money. Deanna Belcher the horse dumper, was begginf for solicitations. Deanna Belcher was going to swoop into Mingo County, having no clue of the terrain or territory nor the people, and take 6, what appeared to be FERAL horses. Yet Deanna Belcher dumped a horse she bailed at Camelot last month, back at Camelot the day the QT ended, because it was aggressive. Carrie Williams was sending out emails to people to try to get them to send money orders to her. Carrie Williams took 200.00 she received from Deanna Belcher and bought hay, but no hay was ever taken to the horses. THe County Commission has sent a cease and desist letter to Carrie Williams, order her to stop soliciting funds for the horses in Mingo County. Theses horses are definitely in Mingo County not McDowell County. Tinia and I have both been in contact with the County Commission, I even went to the Land Company’s office and met with the land agent. Tinia and I have both been in constant contact with the WV HSUS. WV HSUS was contacted because originally it was reported that there were 100 plus horses, burros, goats and cattle on the land. None of us, locally are equipped to deal with that many animals at one time. Now if City SLicker wants to get off her fat NOVA ass and come down to Mingo County, or meet with Tinia and myself then she or he is more than welcome to do so. But all CitySlicker is doing is adding to the misinformation and drama that was caused by Carrie Williams and added to by Deanna Belcher.
But see, even as I said I did not read all 1200 plus posts under the main photo album page, you didn’t even read the comments here. My fat NOVA ass? I assume you think I live in northern Va, but I don’t. I referred to a farm we own in Va and if you read further I said, “…down here in Florida…” which refers to my present location. How in the world do you know what my ass looks like? I mean I would no sooner try to guess your age let alone the size of your ass. I apologized to Tinia several times now. So I better get moving….it’s going to take me years to figure out where that NOVA ass is located. Would that be like a supernova?
Reputable rescue? Tinia is a repubtable rescue, she is not a 501c3 though, and the rescue or non-profit that would act as a fiscal agent needed to be a 501c3. Also, any rescue would be a fool to take on fundraising or fiscal management and have to deal with the likes of you. Most likely the county would have handled their own funds since they are a 501c3. Deanna, worry about your own problems, you’ve certainly have created enough lately. You attack good rescues F.R.E.I.N.D.S., Liberty Equine Rescue, and others and then you dump a horse at auction. What the hell kind of rescue dumps horses at auctions? Only the ones who are in the same categoty as Dianne Murphy and Chrusty Shady.
I agree that I haven’t seen any reason to doubt Tinia’s good intentions…I don’t think she is doing anything but trying to help the horses here.
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_123016107778208 <===Help Save Mingo Horses set up by Tinia Lucas Creamer
http://www.lucasfarmwv.com
http://thevegetarianhomesteader.com
http://tristatearabians.com
http://pixbytinia.weebly.com/
http://pixbytinia.instaproofs.com/
Just and FYI the Tinia Lucas Creamer who’s farm is part equine rescue, also stands a stud….I guess on the part of the farm that IS NOT an equine rescue.
Are you just here trying to start trouble?! Tinia has been working tirelessly for these horses. And, looking at her stud, highly doubt she is breeding to anyone who shows up with a mare like some other farms do. If she isn’t a certified not for profit rescue, she can sell whatever she wants off her property
Let’s also get one thing straight:
RESCUERS MAY BREED HORSES. There is no law against it. You just can’t use donations for your personal horses.
I’m just posting what I know from when Mary Daniels posted these photos. On the main album there are over 1200 comments not to mention the hundreds on the individual pictures. I asked about the photographer because, as I posted early on in the frenzy to help the horses, if you could get a location you could look up the landowner from the tax collectors’ GIS mapping system. When I posted I explained that but never got an answer. Tinia had posted she thought the horses were on land owned by a mining company. Then a few minutes after that she came up with the page Help Save the Mingo horses. Look, all I’m saying is that there was a lot of stories going on in the comments from the original photo postings. I don’t freely hand out donations without asking questions and sure, some people take it as an insult. Plenty of people told me to go away or help. That’s not how my wallet works and anyone who is trying to rescue, save or intervene on any level, should be able to answer a few questions without getting pissed off. I didn’t get answers, I read too many stories so I moved on without donating. I found it odd that someone had gone to this remote location twice within 24 per the pictures captions but it later said to be such a remote area that you could not just simply drive up there. I was trying to help to find out who owned the land but I was only told the location was very remote and somewhere around Bluefield, WV. I never did find out who took the pictures just who posted them and she never answered my inquiry about the location either. I did a few easy searches for a lady who emailed me and lives down here in Florida. What I found out is what is plain as day posted on here.
CitySlicker=Trouble Maker and liar. First Mingo County is not near Bluefield. Tinia never asked for funds, she, myself and several others under the pictures, kept telling people not to donate. Deanna, you need to STFU. You’re a lousy “rescue” you are a scam artist. You dumped Charmed One back at Camelot when others would ahve been willing to take them. You and Tracey fundraised 1400.00 to bail, QT, transport and vet CharmedONe. How much do you still owe the QT barn….how much do you still owe Jen and Ray for board? Where is the 1400.00, Charmed ONe was never vetted, nor was she ever seen by a farrier.
She does not breed the stud, she cannot have him geld because of the purchase agreement which gives the previous owner breeding rights. SO why don’t you get your facts right. This actually sounds like Deanna Bishop. She’s notorious for using aliases and making up stories so she can pretend to be someone else
https://www.facebook.com/#!/home.php?sk=group_123016107778208
There is the link – it is an OPEN group and there is NOTHING to hide there – please anyone go ask the 250 plus member is I ever asked for money on the Mary photos pages or on there, and please
ask if I did not beg people to NOT DONATE and even decline donation request to me directly many times.
First, people need to read – I, TINIA, never asked for a penny – I posted 1,000 times to not donate anywhere – not to Carrie, the person who took the photos or to the Ohio rescue raising funds – Please do NOT get me confused with that group, and I declined all offers to donate to my rescue directly to help these horses because I had no idea what would come of it, had not conformation on if the county would let hay and supplies be brought in and repeatedly said if a time for donations came about, It needed to go through only an established 501c3 group – such a time never came, and I never accept a single dollar for the horses in question, and 250 plus members on the group page on facebook can relay that as fact.
“As for the ‘Save the Mingo Horses’ page on Facebook. That was set up by Tinia Lucas Creamer and she was collecting money also.”
“CitySlicker says:
May 21, 2011 at 9:00 am
No she didn’t ask on the save the Mingo horses page. She posted it when the frenzy was going on under the pictures posted by someone else prior to her setting up the stmh page.
”
That all above is an outright lie, and hundreds of people can and would be happy to confirm it is a lie. Period. Anyone questioning this can visit the group page or the photos and see 100 posts on the photo page of me urging people to donate NO WHERE and to wait until something legit could be arranged. Show me where is even once did anything but beg people to keep their money until a legit way to donate safely could be set up and not through me?
It is pathetic that I could fight to hard for people to not end up part of a scam and then be so wrongly accused, and I appreciate the fact some people on here have stood up for me.
I really do not think I should have to defend myself, but to let such lies circulate without addressing them on such a public forum would likely be an error on my part.
I am not a 501c3, and do not plan to become such. I do the work I do out of pocket and my way. A few people of the last few years have donated, and it is rare. They know it is not tax deductible, and such donations are rare.
Lastly, I have a farm. I have personal horses. I have a single stallion that I purchase for a well known, established SE Arab farm on a contract where they retained breedings 3 years ago.
I have NEVER bred the stallion to a mare – but we have a fortune invested in him, and we would allow breedings to the right mare. I’ve turned down, so far, all inquiries to breed to him because
I did not feel it would produce a quality animal. His sire is exported to New Zealand, and his bloodlines are rare and he is a quality stallion. I do not have the legal rights to geld him as I agreed to,
in a contact, to keep him intact.
My money pays for 100% of my farm and personal horses, and 99% of the rescue care we provide is funded out of pocket. If someone donated $5,000 right now, it would not cover the money we’ve put into
care of the past few years, the gas picking up rescues, the vet bills, the feed and so forth –
God knows this isn’t for profit –
Also, I have visitors all through the week from all over that can verify how hard we work on caring for the rescues and our own horses, and my vet would be happy to confirm – I have not bred a single
mare, even though they have the conformation and bloodlines to put out very nice foals – I cannot do it myself. . . I simply don’t feel it is the right choice. However, if a quality breed with a quality mare
wanted to bred to my stallion, I would be complete that transaction. So far, no quality mares have been presented, and I have not bred him.
To restate and to be clear, I am a private rescue. If people want to, which is rare, donate and help fund the care of the rescues we have, that is great – it is just a personal gift though – and
that is made plan on my websites – I do not try to raise funds more than selling farm shirts for our rescue and farm now and again, and there is a paypal link on the sites with the suggestions
to donate hay, a farrier visit or vet care INSTEAD! I own my land here and use it for my personal use, as well. I have a working farm and personal horses – I stand by my right to do that
and handle it as I see fit.
I am not and have not ever asked for a single penny for the Mingo horses. I have begged people to keep their money and NOT DONATE anyhwhere. This is easy to verify. Please get your facts
straight before posting lies. It only serves to hurt horses. These types of malicious, untrue attacks only serve to discourage people from rescue work. It does not discourage me, but it certainly would
some folks.
“CitySlicker says:
May 21, 2011 at 9:00 am
No she didn’t ask on the save the mingo horses page. She posted it when the frenzy was going on under the pictures posted by someone else prior to her setting up the stmh page.
”
That is an outright lie, and hundreds of people can and would be happy to confirm it is a lie. Period. Anyone questioning this can visit the group page or the photos and see 100 posts on the photo page of me urging people to donate NO WHERE and to wait until something legit could be arranged.
It is pathetic that I could fight to hard for people to not end up part of a scam and then be so wrongly accused, and I appreciate the fact some people on here have stood up for me.
I really do not think I should have to defend myself, but to let such lies circulate without addressing them on such a public forum would likely be an error on my part.
I am not a 501c3, and do not plan to become such. I do the work I do out of pocket and my way. A few people of the last few years have donated, and it is rare. They know it is not tax deducatable
Further more ‘CitySlicker’
“She said she was trying to get a reputable rescue to set up a fund for everyone to send money to but supposedly per her farm’s website, she does equine rescue. Guess she isn’t reputable enough to set up the fund? I wouldn’t trust her either.”
You state the above and then state I was trying to solicit funds here:
“That was set up by Tinia Lucas Creamer and she was collecting money also.”
Which is it? You say I wouldn’t accept funds, and then you say I was collecting money – get your story straight, please.
I said I felt uncomfortable over and over accepting so many donations because I AM A PRIVATE GROUP and felt people would want to be able to have the tax deductible option of a well established rescue. This makes perfect sense. I am a small, private rescue. I have only a 3 year history, and felt it was best to leave such a large matter to a 501C3 – and now I’m questioned on the ethics of that? Good grief!
Someone has too much time and their hands and too many mismatched versions of this story –
It is all an open book – go to the group page on facebook, look at Mary’s photos and my own website – anyone with a working mind can see who is really doing the honest and right thing here.
Tinia, for the record, I don’t see evidence that you’ve done anything wrong. And I think the comments here support that. I appreciate your efforts to help the horses.
You know the snide WV comments really need to be recanted. WV has all different kinds of people living within the state, just as every state does. What are you going to say about the people of Maryland, they just had to confiscate and rescue over 100 horses there. So what snide comments can you make about the people of MD?
People make snide comments about EVERY part of the world and every state every time there is a blog about an asshole there. Get over it. This isn’t the sunshine and butterflies blog, and EVERY area of the country has been trashed here by someone. If you’re not the person starving horses, it doesn’t apply to you.
Tinia has NEVER asked anyone to donate to her in regards to these horses. She said in the original posts that she was not a 501 c and could not take the donations for them. Then on the fb page, she maintained that no one should be donating until we have more information. Tinia has worked hard to get the facts for us as well as helping to get action taken in this situation. Get your facts straight, City Slicker or go back to the City!
I have gotten very ‘put off’ by the group Save the Mingo Horses. While I believe, in the intitial horses of the pics being posted, they may have had sincere intentions I also believe that has now been clouded. Perhaps it was because of all the attention and what they saw as a chance to be known and heros in the communtiy. Not sure what it was but since the intital hours, things have gone downhill at a rapid pace. There has been quite alot of rubbish said about this.
To reply to City Slicker, Trinia did post this on Mary Daniels Page “….EMAIL me with your phone, how you can help and email address – I must make a LIST asap – I cannot keep track on here. If you don’t email me at tinia@lucasfarmwv.com – I cannot get your info on the list – only email if you’re serious about donating, coming out or fostering!” I do believe that could be taken as a request for monies.
Also, other active members have been stating false info to its members. A Dan Bishop wrote on May 11, right after pics were posted “Just so you know .. The Humane Society Of The United States ,Washington,DC office was called and they jumped all over this with concern .From within 30 to 45 mins after I got off the phone with them,there were officals on site …Though the systems are’nt perfect ,given a chance they can work ..So Horray for the horses.and Horray for thier action” .
This was NOT true. Another member posted this the same day “Jo-Claire Corcoran… I will be going on Sat, I will report back to Summer Wyatt WV HSUS my findings, I will take more pictures and document surroundings, etc. I will have a state trooper with me. I have worked several cases before. I’m not asking for any money. I have money left over from another resuce which I will purchase a load of hay to take with me.” Another false statement. She has not been out to see the horses. In fact, no one in that group who said they would go see the horses have. Trinia Creamer boasted that she spent a weekend driving 700 miles to pick up rescues but would not be able to go meet with the WV HSUS on site because it would be difficult with kids. And she lives very close to the site.
Trinia is suggesting now that she is being bashed by someone she has been fighting with online. Her information is not private. Click on her facebook page and you will see all the links City Slicker posted here.
I also find it odd that she would post her rescue addy above in her comment and not the link that is about the horses on Facebook.
As I mentioned earlier, I do believe they started with good intentions. I think they just got caught up in being do-gooders but unfortunately, the evidence found by officals does not support their cries. They have cried conspiracy at every turn instead of saying that perhaps they jumped the gun. They no longer actively post on the Save the Mingo horse site on facebook. Now they have moved to another page, a private one https://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_123016107778208#!/home.php?sk=group_224470744246583 National colalition of equine horses
Not trying to pick on them, just trying to make people be a little cautious in who they deal with. You can read all the earlier comments made by trinia and her group at
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.153507374716778.38450.100001725481422
First Let me state for the record, yet I was going to go on that sat and I had the hay available, I also had a trooper willing to go with me, but then the county commission and the sheriff’s office finally responded. They requested no one go. We were in constant WVHSUS I did visit the Pocahontas Land Ciompany’s office and met with a land agent and we spoke with the Mingo County Land Agent. We tried to work within the confines of the law. Once the Sheriff’s office responded, we had to step back and let them do their job. Based upon conversations with Summer, David Baisden, County Commissioner, and Poca Land Company, we stood on standbye. The horses have not been found. THe pictures were taken 3 years ago. It seems working with the county was the right approach. Those horses may still exist, and there clearly were horses filmed by the news crew who were in bad shape. Repeated attempts have been made to find those horses. Even when they went back they couldn’t find them. This isnot over, we never asked for money, quite the opposite. Tinia never asked for monetary donations. The list she was compiling was done because so many people where wanting to help. Instead of having people send things when there was no reason to, the list was compiled so that if and when it was needed we could then reach out to those people with directions. A list….is not asking for monetary donations, far from it. I’m am sick of people like Deanna Bishop bashing good people. Bickering, when people like Deanna attack others, as she did here on Fugly, then yes we will responde. Maligning somone, especiallly when you clearly do not have the story straight is not only improper and deceitful but dishonest.
As far as Tinia goes, I have NEVER saw her asking for donations, quite the opposite actually… She has stated MANY MANY times that she felt that NO ONE should donate funds at this time. She has never asked for ANYONE to do ANYTHING other than call the appropriate people to keep the “heat” on this issue so WE ALL could get the ACCURATE INFORMATION regarding these horses. She is doing everything she knows to do & in my opinion, she is doing it quite well. HELP SAVE MINGO HORSES is the only page on FB that is claiming to help these horses without asking for $ that I have found so far, they may be another page out there and I have not located it… Hey CITY SLICKER, is your name Deanna? Just Curious!
there may be others…. sorry for the typo!!! lol
I did not see Tinia asking for money either…as far as I can see, Tinia is a totally innocent party here who was trying to help the horses.
Trinia did say not to send money to anyone. What I did note was that in one of her posts, she wrote, “EMAIL me with your phone, how you can help and email address – I must make a LIST asap – I cannot keep track on here. If you don’t email me at tinia@lucasfarmwv.com – I cannot get your info on the list – only email if you’re serious about donating, coming out or fostering!”. Could that be taken as a request for donations? I guess it depends who is reading it and how they take that statement.
The problem with this whole thing is the bickering, the name calling and fighting. This is supposed to be about the horses, not about the people. I feel this is a good example of people forgetting what it is about, trying to out do one another to be the hero.
The Mingo Horse page on FB is an open group but they dont hardly post there anymore. They have the other group now..a closed group. The National Colalition of Equine Horses. I am not sure why it is closed. Seems it would be harder to reach people that way, to spread the word of what is happening in the world.
I am glad this all has happened though. By reading comments etc it has given me and alot of other people a chance to see peoples real colors. I personally, in the furture, will lend my support to the quiet ones. The ones who do not boast about how many animals they have rescued and bash other rescues. The quiet ones, who do their work for the animals, not for whatever ‘power’ they feel it gives them.
The National Colalition (sic) of Equine Horses? What distinguishes equine horses from non-equine horses?
I posted an apology to Tinia and I’m sorry. There are over 1200 posts under the main photo album posted by Mary Daniels? I can’t even remember her name now. No my name is not Mary, Deanna, Manny, Mo or Jack. I do not live anywhere near Camelot, New Holland or WV. I live in Florida. I am retired. I own 5 horses.
Again to Tinia, I apologize but truth is I didn’t continue reading 1200 plus posts and I’m sure I’m not the only one, after I kept seeing stories and Tinia did ask people to email her and didn’t have much for answers. I’ve heard the pictures were actually taken 3 years ago by some lady who actually owned them and then was using the pictures to solicit money. I don’t know what the story is anymore, really. As far as Tinia’s stallion, sorry but I don’t know her personally and the website said
$700 Approved Arabian Mares
- Live Cover
Semen Shipped – $1,000
….and to be fair to her, above that a bit up the page I think it says he has been exported to New Zealand. Again, Tinia I apologize. I’m sorry. It’s a confusing story and I was trying to help when things got frantic as far as trying to suggest how to get the name of the landowner. I only donate or fund-raise for legitimate situations whether it’s a registered organization through the IRS or not. I asked, got nothing other than don’t ask, just help.
As for my username I’m actually a hillbilly that plays slick poker in the city on the sly for my clan in them ‘thar’ hills. Did I miss offending anyone else?
Correction…I said a Dan Bishop made the untrue comment on May 11, right after pics were posted “Just so you know .. The Humane Society Of The United States ,Washington,DC office was called and they jumped all over this with concern .From within 30 to 45 mins after I got off the phone with them,there were officals on site …Though the systems are’nt perfect ,given a chance they can work ..So Horray for the horses.and Horray for thier action” .
I was wrong. I was Dan BUCKLEY. Bishop is the name of someone they were arguing with during the thread.
Thank you Painted Pony for pointing out my mistake. Typed alot of info and wasnt paying attention. Its the National Coalition of Equine Rescue. Far as the misspelling goes, would have been more careful had I of known spelling would be graded here!
Bottom line, this is a done issue. They have moved on to other things and whatever work they still may be doing is not open to the public.
We all got duped on this one. No one is walking away a ‘hero”. Not Trinia and her gang or this Deanna Bishop person, or anyone else. After weeks of discussion, no horses have been helped there and all that is left is soiled reputations. Perhaps we have all learned a lesson here?
Ok I apologoize for all my typos in my last post. That’s what I get for typing when tired.
Okay, wait. Is it now being understood that there are no unclaimed horses on land in Mingo County? Considering how pervasive the rumor was from this far away, I find that very surprising. I also understand that the ill horses that were on television have an owner who chooses not to fence. Is that correct? In other words, is there no feral horse situation at all – just a common neglect story?
No, the private owner horses who refused to fences them were in good shape. The thin ones, we don’t know who they belong to or where they are. We’re not done with this. There are stud horses running loose, the land owner is not happy with the horses on their property and somehow, something ie being covered up.
I lived in WV for 13 years and before I left there I heard about these horses in Mingo county running amuck some sick, most thin and wormy and basically a mess. They say that its a dumping ground done on reclaimed Minning land. (Closed mines that had been “reclaimed” or recovered planted with grasses and etc to make it a “sound” soil growing…….bull shit stuff thats been going on there since the first human began mining there. They are very uneducated, backwards, hillbilly idiots “up thare in them woods” and nothing has ever been done and probably will never be done. Its been a problem for several years. The woman who suposedly owns them hasent been seen or heard from when it comes to the animals and from what I have gathered is a basic down home loser with the mentality level of a retarded goat. WV doesnt have much when it comes to cruelty/starvation to small animals let alone large animals. They never had and most of the legislation put it on the back burner and or they claim “ran out of time to discuss the matter” when they have thier “in service” days. BULL SHIT. But by God they have plenty of time to discuss thier salary raises and retirment fundages. I came back to KY a state I used to call my home only to find out they arent much better.
WV, does have some good laws on the books, the problem is getting them enforced. When you have a sheriff (mingo) who is turning his own horses out loose on a strip job, he certainly isn’t going to enforce the laws on someone else. I think the state needs to investigate.
OMG That video just makes me want to kick this POS in the face! How can people just let this kind of thing happen… I would never be able to control or hide my feelings if I witnessed it myself!
And he has the arrogance to call himself a “true and fair horseman” and then blame epona for ruining his reputation by showing a video…. of himself in action?
Bit of a contradiction maybe? Um… Here’s an idea, buddy… ACT LIKE ONE (“true and fair horseman”) and you wont have to worry about videos posted on youtube or your reputation being ruined. If fact, you might actually benefit from the free publicity. What a tool.
This makes me soooooo angry!
And sad for that poor little mare…..
I’m considering sending an email to his sponsors (from his website) to let them know of the video as well as his conduct and of how poorly it reflects on their own brand to be associated to this sort of behavior. If anyone else has a few minutes to spare, you could do the same….
Frack. Not sure I managed to end up on a different post/page altogether but my reply is TOTALLY not on the right post. Disregard please. Eek.