News flash: Intelligent judge fails to buy any of Doug Spink’s b.s.!
Jul 19 2010
Doug Spink sentenced to three years
I have blogged about Dougie on numerous occasions. Suffice it to say that Washington state’s animals are breathing a sigh of relief that they will be safe for a couple of years, at least!
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If you really want to hear the WHOLE story about Dougie the Freak, check out his listing on Encyclopedia Dramatica (assuming you are over 18 and understand the concept that what has been seen cannot be unseen). Let’s just say that this guy is one of the most disturbed individuals the horse industry has ever been cursed with and that three years is nowhere near long enough to lock him up (but is better than nothing!) At least the judge did not buy his ridiculous defenses!
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Martinez ruled in June that Spink had violated his parole, which stems from a 2005 conviction for cocaine smuggling, by violating Washington’s animal cruelty law, failing to be honest with his probation officer, leaving the state without permission, and associating with people engaged in criminal activity.
When I studied law in Washington state twenty plus years ago, ANY ONE of these violations (above) would have resulted in revocation of his parole and he would have been sent back to the slammer to finish the remaining years of his original conviction. He appears in front of the judge/prosecutor for parole violations & sentencing – Game over. Quick, effective, problem solved (for years).
Spink has an ED? Hi-larious! Good job Judge!
This is too yucky for words. Ick. Blech.
“filthy Canadian” is right just when you thought you seen it all, along comes something to prove you wrong. This is sick I had no idea there were so much sick people in this world. I think they should tighten border regulations to prevent anymore “filthy Canadians” coming in.
Wow. Talk about an ignorant and racist remark. This has nothing to do with being Canadian or any other nationality. This is a sick man, period.
I really need to find out a way to put a Like button here because I want to Like your reponse.
Personally I’ve had nothing but great experiences with Canadians (and I lived in Toronto for a while).
But I rarely edit here, ’cause I figure it’s everybody’s right to make a fool of themselves with a foolish remark like that.
Wow Fugs, you must be a good person if you still like Canadians after living in Toronto! (I’m a Torontonian).
Canada is great but it is embarrassing that horse slaughter is still legal here!
Are you kidding? I still crave Nanaimo bars and Tim Horton’s iced cappucinos.
And your men are actually POLITE. I kept getting doors opened for me, and people will let you into traffic. They will actually stop and let you in! Amazing to me.
Thanks Hikori. I was trying to come up with a decent reply. You nailed it eh!!
And he’s not actually Canadian. ED has that wrong. He did run a breeding program in BC for quite some time, but he’s originally from the States.
OMG what has been seen cannot be unseen… I didn’t expect that little video sequence on Encyclopedia Dramatica
O.O
I hope one of the guys in jail has a big enough piece to puncture THIS guy’s colon…. Problem SOLVED
OH. My god.
I was calmly reading the article on Dramatica when my peripherals caught movement in the corner of the screen.
I… need some serious brain bleach. Please.
I warned you!
On one hand I kind of miss the pre-internet days when normal people didn’t know that stuff existed. On the other, how do we avoid the freaks (and protect our animals) if we don’t know they exist? Think about it – pre-internet, Dougie would probably NEVER have gotten busted (for the animal stuff, not the drug stuff). Some of you might now be training with him and have YOUR horses in his barn. How’s that for a scary thought?
Maybe. I didn’t read the entire ED article (I caught a glimpse of that clip and BAILED), but didn’t he like to, um, tie horses up as part of the process? The result would be a scraped up, scared horse. Hopefully an attentive owner would notice that the animal’s been abused in some way, and get them the hell out.
I know, lol
I suppose I’d rather know than be blissfully ignorant, this goes for pretty much all subjects that concern me.
What I REALLY could have done without was when ppl told me that the dentist who did my root canal was a crazy alcoholic.. I thought he’d done a great job.. Now I’m a bit worried when I go in for check-ups
Anyways, I’m glad this guy has been outed in any case!
Get firefox with AdBlocker. It works on Encyclopedia Dramatica.
I have FF with adblock plus…and I still saw it. Apparently it doesn’t work for me? And yes, Adblock plus was turned on. Same as above, caught a brief sight of it and bailed.
You have to manually right click the image and select ‘block image’ or ‘adblock’ to block that image. Since it’s not an ad Adblock won’t automatically block it.
Another option (which I recommend if you aren’t used to ED) is if you have Firefox to go to ‘Tools’ in the browser bar, select ‘Options’, select ‘Content’ and unmark the ‘load images automatically’ function. Then refresh the page. That will remove all images from the page, preventing you from seeing anything nasty.
Thanks for the warning, Cathy. I went to Encyclopedia Dramatica anyway. Nope, can’t wish, dream or ICK drink it away.
He left it in his pants? In his PANTS? All DAY?
In a word….EEEWWWWW!
Let’s hope the boyz in prison show him what it feels like to be the “bitch” for a while (and if we’re all a little lucky, his balls will fall on knife!).
Unfortunately, the judge in the Morgan case wasn’t so smart… Beth Lynne Hoskins has gotten back 40 of her horses. ): At least the neglect trial is still coming up, and the SPCA has filed charges on every single animal seized… so let’s hope the second judge is more perceptive! In the meantime, check out the manicure and jewelry she’s sporting, presumably in the middle of mucking out stalls… http://www.buffalonews.com/2010/07/18/1116085/a-breeders-plans-gone-awry.html
Can’t remember if you commented on this already, but in related outing-of-scumbag news, Darren Chiacchia came out in support of her a while back, pointing out that horses aren’t pets, they’re livestock, and have different standards of living; also that she’s “accomplished” in the Morgan world, and you don’t get to be successful in horses by abusing them. Hear that, Cleve Wells or Paul Valliere? Pictures of the horses and the article are available here… http://www.wgrz.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=78383&catid=13
I love that Beth Hiskins hired security guards…hope they know more about taking horses than she has shown, so far!
Yeah, maybe they will water the poor things.
One of Hoskin’s friends defending her: “No horse is going to die from standing in three feet of manure. As long as they are fed and cared for, horses are pretty tough.â€
WTF?
Does that make it ok? No baby is going to die if you don’t change its diaper for a week, does that make it ok?
What a freakish comment. What is WRONG with people???
There is a large risk of toxic shock in leaving a child in it’s diaper. Which is fatal. There is also a huge risk of bacterial infection, parasite infestation, viral illness, and all sorts of other wonderfully life threatening things that can come from leaving anything in excrement for lengths of time. It is not healthy. This persons friends are as ridiculous as she is, but that’s what they say, birds of a feather.
Sure – and leaving a horse in a filthy stall can easily lead to such severe hoof deterioration that the horse has to be put to sleep. If ingesting worms from that filthy environment doesn’t colic them first!
Just because something doesn’t kill you AS FAST AS lack of water will does not mean it’s ok. Clearly her friends are as wacked as she is!
At least, in Chiacchia’s case, he did take that nasty spill a couple of years ago where the horse fell on him and he was in a coma. Rumor has it there is some permanent damage to his brain that left him even more of an egotistical a-hole than he was before the accident. If he has any owners left to ride for, I’m sure they would find that comment very interesting.
That comment shows how intelligent the defender is. Because there is no such thing as a softening of the hooves due to excessive moisture exposure, right? And founder? Thats pretty much like smallpox now: Nonexistent. I’ve come to the conclusion that people are lazy and to conduct themselves in a manor so as to suggest that they know what to do with their brains (other than playing with them) takes too much effort, so they opt for the far easier choice; being an idiot.
Not sure what Encyclopedia Dramatica is all about, but apparently my computer does and didn’t want to see it. It kept freezing up when I tried to look.
Maybe he’ll get to be someone elses “horse” in prison…
Lucky.
Your computer is wise. There’s a video clip of sorts that, um, demonstrates what the article is talking about. Not safe for work, children, sensitive adults, normal adults, or anybody, really.
Encyclopedia Dramatica is basically people making fun/giving histories on various things. The information is often backed up with screenshots, but the commentary is highly colored. I read it sometimes just for the lulz.
It is NOT work safe EVER, or safe for kids. Or the easily offended, really. It’s hilarious though. I love their entry for Kingdom Hearts. Fox News is good too. XD There are plenty of pages for individual people too, and they’ll make you go “These freaks EXIST?” Just remember that what you read there is someone’s opinion… well, except the stuff backed up with screenshots and court records.
I agree. I came across that site following a message board thread about these crazy people who worship Insane Clown Posse. OMG, the lulz…I was, like, laughing so hard. PEOPLE ARE CRAZY.
Oh. My. I won’t forget that little video clip — I couldn’t believe what I was seeing! Eye bleach, brain bleach, nope, need more than that. Sick, sick, people.
No amount of bleach will ever make that go away. I need a lobotomy.
After going to the Eneyclopedia Dramatica site, I think I need to sanitize my computer!!!
I was thinking the same thing…the best I could do was clear my history and cookies. It’s a step in the right direction, at least.
I wonder how defense attorneys live with themselves. How could any reasonably intelligent person (which is what I assume most attorneys are, because the bar exam is no cakewalk) stand in front of a judge with a straight face an sincerely defend Doug Spink’s actions?
Why isn’t castration an option here? Let’s fire up the gelding bus and take a road trip.
Wonder if Spink will do his time in protective housing? Do inmates hate animal molesters as much as they do child molesters?
I completely agree that chemical castration would be appropriate in cases like these (and, of course, child molestation if proven beyond a reasonable doubt/repeat offenders).
Where does this come from? How do brains get scrambled into spaghetti where a man thinks an animal ENJOYS this? My (now passed away) trainer, old school chauvanistic boys’ club member read me the riot act when he found out I bought a stallion (passed last year, sniff) that he’d trained for 4 years as a youngster. Ranted that I’d get hurt when I had my ‘monthly cycle’ and that Max would try to breed me. Uhhhhh, not only did this not happen, it can’t happen! Horses are attracted to horses, dogs to dogs….the animals have it right, it’s the HUMANS that can’t figure this out! Not to be graphic but for the life of me I can’t even comprehend why a man would attempt anything with a horse. Ummm, it’s insane, disgusting and I would’ve thought impossible. Trump the ACLU and geld the man. We do want to eliminate fuglies (and warped brains) from reproducing don’t we? Kinda like HYPP? HERDA?…… yuck
Well, to be fair, in actuality it would be very possible to get a stallion to do this. We teach them to mount dummies and breed an AV all the time– Horses are not human. They don’t look at a situation and go, “You know, I think this might not be my species, and might be wrong.”
Which is fine, until you get actual humans who aren’t human, who also fail the “This isn’t my species” test.
I’m not sure how well chemical castration works. A lot of the time this kind of shit is not about sex, its about power.
True…
I swear, there just needs to be some option in the law to immediately euthanize people caught on film doing stuff like this. I don’t care how that sounds, I really believe that. This or children, that’s the end of you, you get the pink stuff, you’re out of the gene pool.
OT, but I need some help.
I have a horse that had a small bout of colic on the 3rd of July. Nothing major… within an hour of walking it out he was pooping and eating again. However, since then he has been dropping weight. I have been monitoring him closely and last week had a fecal and blood panel run. Nothing unusual popped up.
His coat is slick and shiny. He is on free-choice hay. Since then I have slowly put him back on grain and added rice bran and oil. He has access to salt. The water bucket gets scrubbed out every other day and he shows no signs of dehydration. I do live on the coast so I was thinking maybe I needed to do sand clear. I also remember reading somewhere here that there is a way to test how much sand is in the poop? Anyone remember this little tidbit?
The vet is kind of at a loss, as am I. And now it’s getting to the point where I am uncomfortable with the weight he is at. He’s not looking too horrible yet, but I don’t like any ribs showing. Period. Do any of you have any ideas? I’ve never encountered this before…
Definitely – check for sand. What you do is you put a bit of poop in a bucket with water and let it dissolve. Then slowly dump out the contents and see how much sand is left in the bucket.
Put him on Sand Clear or something similar for sure.
Another easy way is to put the poop in a clear rubber glove (the kind the vet uses to check an animal rectally) and add water. If there’s sand it will drop to the bottom of the glove and will be clearly visible.
I’m sure your Vet would have thought of this. How long since you floated teeth? I would also run a fecal test for egg count (worms).
Teeth were just done 2 months ago. Fecal and blood came back normal…
That is a stumper.. What breed, how old and what kind of hay is he eating? Does he eat well or a picker?
He’s a picker… and when he’s full he just walks away. So frustrating as my other 2 are hoover vacuums…
Oh and 13 year old Arab gelding. He’s always been on the slender side… once he’s at weight the extra only goes to his neck and he’s been like that since he was a baby…
OK, I will most likely regret this but. . . my husband is a defense attorney. Have you ever needed a defense attorney? I am gong to assume that you haven’t but you are welcome to correct me if you wish. Well, let’s just say for the sake of argument that you do need one–do you like your right to have an attorney present while you are questioned by the police? Would you like someone to formulate your case for you, to advise you what you may say and would be better left unsaid during trial, you know–the right to not incriminate yourself? Or maybe you’d be better off not going to trial and striking a plea bargain instead? I won’t speak for every defense attorney out there but I know more than a few and for them, it is not a just paycheck earned by rationalizing behavior that society collectively finds deviant, they hold an underlying belief that you and I have a Constitutional right to a fair trial, to be tried by a jury of our peers, etc. Does any of this sound familiar from 8th grade Social Studies class? And I realize that is oversimplifying things just a tad but I think you all get the drfit of what I’m saying.
Although it seems counter-intuitive, I hope Doug Spinks got the best defense money can buy. And before you get out your flame throwers and aim them in my direction, hear me out. If he got the best defense, there little room for appeal–and as such, his sentence is more likely to be served. And really, isn’t that what we all want?
Katie, you make a really good point about how a good defense PREVENTS grounds for an appeal. Very good point!
I admit, I want to see people like Dougie locked up forever – but I’m glad there are defense attorneys when, for example, someone is trying to lock up an animal rights activist for legally protesting.
Well said. The best defense in the world doesn’t (well, shouldn’t) change the person’s innocence or guilt. The lawyers are there to argue each side as strongly as possible and the judge is there to determine the truth. The defense is there to prevent ‘false positives’ where an innocent person gets punished – however much it looks like this particular defendant really is guilty, it’s their job to examine the possibility that they aren’t. Likewise for the prosecutor – however innocent the defendant may look, it’s their job to examine the possibility that they’re guilty. They’re not supposed to be fair or objective or consider how personally reprehensible the defendant may be, they’re just one side of Lady Justice’s scales. The judge decides how the balance tips. The lawyers are only responsible for making sure each side is properly weighed.
That said, I don’t think I could do a public defender’s job. Props to the people who do the job and do it well.
You make some very good points here, Katie. I noticed there was not anything about a defense attorney having to actually believe their client is innocent, and I think that also is something a lot of people assume about those defending accused criminals. It’s real easy to think hey, you’re defending that so you must think he’s innocent!
Errr…there was a bit of a goof-up with that last line! It should have said, “It’s real easy to think hey, you’re defending that (insert derogatory name here) so you must think he’s innocent!”
I should have known better than to use carets around that part!
Well, not to shave hairs, but technically the client IS innocent unless proven guilty. I hope to goodness the police and prosecutor covered every base so he does go away for the maximum sentence. And it is UNLESS, not UNITL proven guilty. UNTIL presupposes guilt–makes for a great tag line for a TV show but really is incorrect.
Fugs, do you know–why are these types of cases prosecuted as animal cruelty and not as sexual offenses? Wow, maybe I will have to buy a round of cocktails at the next legal get-together my hubby takes me to and ask the “legal eagles” why there is that distinction. Boy am I sure to get some raised eyebrows on that one . . .
Okay, I’m typing blind now because after that trip to Encyclopedia Whatever-it-is, I had to pour bleach straight into both eyes and on my computer (which is now making a weird buzzing sound).
There are some really sick people out there. *Gropes for bleach bottle*
I love when judges decide to “let ‘em have it” when dealing with and sentencing these obviously SICK effers who apparently don’t find anything wrong with their perverted activities. Child molesters, abusers of any type (whether children, the elderly, the animals — anyone or anything unable to speak up for or defend itself) need to have their clocks cleaned (first by the judge and then by anyone inside the prison that is offended by these types of perversions.
Often, there is, inside the prison walls, a certain “honor” among the thieves. Jailhouse justice is its own reward, imho.
Yeah, I cannot imagine the other inmates will think much of Dougie. Most of those guys, even if they have victimized other adults themselves, have a real dislike for anyone who has hurt a child or animal.
Anyone know some one who is going to be serving time with this freak??? We could pull up a collection for his balls in a jar, LOL!! IM JUST KIDDING, but it would be so flippin funny if something happened to his jewels while he was locked up…..Some how I dont think the use of them would stop his desire to do sick crap like this though.
I just testified in a horse abuse case (dozens of counts) and once the prosecution rested, the defense attorney looked like he wanted to crawl away on all fours. We are all entitled to a defense and trial but when someone is so blatantly GUILTY of repetitive cruely and stupidity and the judge tells the defendent that it is apparent that the defendent doesn’t like animals, it’s rewarding. When he then adds $150,000 cash bail to the $500,000 bond the defendent has been released on, hoo ahhhh! My first experience but a rewarding one. And this just for breaking condition of probation, trial isn’t scheduled for another 3-4 weeks. Will be following closely……. Sometimes the system does work. But we need to step up to the plate!!
The system works when:
1. Witnesses come forward and give formal statements.
2. Evidence is carefully preserved and well documented.
These are the two big things. That is why I always say: document, document, document. File reports. TAKE PICTURES (without trespassing).
I am a wimp, and my mind regulary keeps me awake nights replaying disturbing images I’ve accidently seen, so I will refrain from viewing the video. That said, I have been friends for years with a lovely couple who are somewhat, oh, kinky, and engage in infliction and receiving of pain as part of their sex life. However, I know they only indulge themselves *with other adults who fully consent*. Therefore, I say have fun, I just don’t want the details (and my friends are discreet, which I appreciate). Children and animals can’t consent.
Deliberately hurting an animal, whether with a whip, a long shanked high port curb bit, or a penis, is animal cruelty. I do hope Mr. Spink’s new friends in prison give him a concrete idea of what it’s like to have pain inflicted on one’s body in a non-consensual fashion.
The more I read about him the more I am starting to think he would probably actually like that… :S
Here’s the thing that really gets me about this dude Doug Spink…up until this last nauseating trip into a super-slimy, dark and ugly corner of the criminal mind, I had never seen a picture of him. From a description of his “preferences” you might expect him to look like a sasquatch and a chupacabra had a baby, and it was an ugly baby. But it turns out he’s not so ugly that he’d have much trouble finding an adult human of either gender to sex him up, yet he is attracted to animals? From reading what little I could stand of his overly verbose and angry rants about being labeled a freak, I can also see he is not a stupid person either. Just goes to show, you can look pretty normal and still be very, VERY fucked up!
And, by the way, Mr. Spink…I’m aware of your habit of showing up on this or that message board to defend yourself against all the unfair narrow-minded meanies out there who call you a deviant, so just on the off chance that you do actually read this I’m going to post a message directed at you personally:
Until the day someone finds a way for non-human sentient beings to express themselves to us with all the nuance human language has, there is *NO WAY* you or anyone else can say that your sexual acts with animals are ever consensual. Just as it is in defining what constitutes rape of a human being, an animal’s failure to physically resist your advances does not imply consent. You cannot say with any conviction that the horse or dog you copulate with does so out of desire and not training or conditioning. Sure, we can sit here all day and argue about whether or not zoophilia is “unconventional sex” or “perversion” and we might not…errr, WON’T come to an agreement on that, but any way you slice it there’s no proving consent.
So having said that, now it’s time to tell you: You fantasize about having sex with creatures of a different species. That *IS* absolutely unnatural. You act on those desires with creatures that cannot give consent. That *IS* a crime. You cause harm to those creatures. That too *IS* a crime. You do all these things while only thinking of yourself and what you want. That *IS* morally wrong.
Add all that together and what do you get? You *ARE* a sexual deviant and a criminal. As long as you selfishly rationalize, defend, explain, justify and excuse your aberrant behavior you deserve no pity, mercy or respect.
I really, really hope you will use your time in jail to better yourself and learn not to be a self-centered animal abuser but I have this feeling you won’t, since it would mean having some humility and admitting that you are wrong. Something tells me you almost never do that. So once you’re out of jail and you find yourself getting ready to violate another animal don’t forget to tell yourself, “I’m so stuck on myself and what I want I’m going to hurt this poor creature just for my own gratification. I’m doing something bad and morally bankrupt, but I don’t give a damn because I’m having fun!”
Great post. Unfortunately I don’t think he has any Internet access where he is right now, but you are correct on all counts. Animals CANNOT give consent. It is ALWAYS wrong. And, jeez, it’s just…ewwww. I mean, who even thinks that up?
Awww…no internet access? I suppose I could wait a few weeks until he’s been processed through the Washington state correctional system and get his DOC # from Google, then print that up and mail it to him. I’ve wasted stamps on dumber things! WTF, it might be worth the little bit of effort if it pisses him off even a tiny bit.
At first I was wondering why you didn’t link his Encyclopedia Dramatica page, until I actually looked at it. It’s light-years beyond “EWWWWW!!!” and well into “Holy-shit-I-think-I’m-going-to-hurl-for-real…BLAAAAHRG…” The last thing I looked at online that made me feel like that was a video of an autopsy.
I too wonder about the “Who thinks these things up?” question. I wish I could ask a psychiatrist about it. It makes me think of something I saw on a show like “The Science of Sex” once. They talked about how our noses are tuned so that we find the most appealing body odor comes from the pheromones of someone with immune system antigens completely different from our own, which means a higher probability of healthy offspring. The narrator of the show participated in an experiment to demonstrate how that worked. A geneticist took a blood sample from him and several women, then the man was given 6 t-shirts worn by the women to sniff and he had to tell which one smelled the best to him. The ones he liked the best all came from women with antigens that did not match his own and he found the scent of the women with the same antigens the least appealing.
But they threw in a little curve ball on him…the last sample shirt he had to sniff smelled so bad to him he made a face and dropped the shirt immediately. The geneticist laughed and said, “That shirt was worn by a pig and the reason you find that scent offensive is so you don’t mate with the wrong species!”
I think people like Doug Spink have messed-up wiring in their brains that causes them to be sexually attracted to other species. The pheromone thing is probably just one small part of it since all human behavior is a mix of genetics AND learning, but it is still an aberration nonetheless. All his “have an open mind” and “I’m just different” talk is nothing but a bid for acceptance since he knows deep inside what he does is wrong and he doesn’t want himself and everyone else to see it for what it really is.
That guy is the nastiest of the nasty. You were right, but I had to look. I’m quite sure I’ll have nightmares now. WTF!!!?
People like this don’t need to be on the planet. I hope he gets his in jail. He’ll probably love it.
UGH. I am so sick to my stomach now. Thanks Fugly, for educating me once again. *vomits*
ED is the wiki for, well, basically all the trolls of the English-speaking web. Be very, very careful going there, they do not mind having bad adds, the kind that infect your computer with nasty viruses. Always use Adblock+, Flashblock, and NoScript when viewing ED, plus a GOOD antiviral program (ie, NOT Norton or McAffee. AVAST or AVG are much better) There is a lot of stuff there that is Not Safe For Work, and an article on a person who is into bestiality will no doubt have pictures of acts of bestiality. Probably even a .gif or video of that guy who was eviscerated by a stallion he had mount him (which also happened in Washington, WTF is up with that?)
Also, take EVERYTHING you read on ED with a HUGE grain of salt. The editors are not above lying if they think it makes things funnier. ED is not like Wikipedia, which at least tries to be impartial. I love ED, but I would not take their word for ANYTHING.
As someone who bought two mares not long ago, I feel reasonably safe. But I sure as hell hope they catch this sick fuck before he/she decides to see what can be done to mares
http://www.bordermail.com.au/news/local/news/general/fears-of-horse-mutilator-return/1891121.aspx – Fears of Horse Mutilator Return
http://www.bordermail.com.au/news/local/news/general/horse-mutilator-fears/1364671.aspx – Story from 2 years ago.
The people I honestly feel the most sorry for are those who have these desires and fantasies (children and animals) and have the decency NOT to act on them.
Some of these people only have one option: Lifelong celibacy.
To be honest, turn that concept around on itself. Can you honestly tell me that a child molester or animal molester can’t enjoy themselves at a basic level with someone human, their own age? That’s such a bunch of BS. Animals, at a very basic level, have sex with each other. Tell me that a stallion taught to breed a human can’t breed mares again? That’s ridiculous.
Not beating you up for your kindness, but in this case it’s misplaced. These people often have children of their own, spouses, or sexual partners their own age. They just like it BEST on the outside, in the world of the warped. I find little sympathy for them. I’m a borderline diabetic who LOVES chocolate. That doesn’t mean I can’t eat vegetables. I just happen to really love chocolate. If chocolate were morally wrong, or if I was faced (as I someday might be) with quitting chocolate because it could kill me, then I would have to do that. My world of eating might be a bit more bland, but I’d survive it.
These people might just have to dream nice fuzzy sick dreams of puppies and kids, and keep their desires as desires, and not actions. They can still enjoy perfectly healthy sex with normal people– so sorry it isn’t nirvana, but they will live.