*headdesk*
Jun 14 2010
I keep talking but clearly not everyone is listening. Maybe I should put it into picture book form for some folks? You know, a stick horse with testicles + a stick horse without = a dollar bill with a big “NO” symbol over it? Can someone make T-shirts like that? Maybe we can all wear them to flea markets, rummage sales, NASCAR events, Wal-Mart, etc. and reach the target demographic illustrated by this sad Craigslist ad from Iowa.
Hideous, scary, very bad horses for sale
1. None of those horses needed to happen.
2. Clearly you did not invest so much as a $10 tube of dewormer into them, much less any actual time caring for them.
3. Are you proud of yourself for filling up a kill truck?
4. Did you REALLY think you were going to make money breeding these? Part B, if you did, what the fuck were you smoking at the time?
In case it gets deleted, here is the text. My comments are in blue:
“the 1st one is a stripe dun yearling filly turned a year in june she has a very dark stripe down her back and her legs are tiger striped she is broke to lead very sweet and gentle she has been trimmed and stands well both of her parents were registered they just did not do a stud report on her of course the lazy fucking bastards didn’t, god forbid you fill out a form and write a check, that is just tooooo much responsibility to expect from a stallion owner, so she does not have papers her sire was a registered buckskin paint he was 16.4 hands if you don’t know how to measure horses, you do not know enough to breed horses…please stop and the dam was a registered buckskin buckskin what? Or just buckskin registered? she was just shy of 16 hands whoever believes that please raise your hand and I will set you up with a GREAT deal on owning a piece of the Brooklyn Bridge so this filly should mature to be a nice size horse she has a nice head on her if by “nice” you mean supersized, and yes I know it’s a bad angle but still! good conformation did you know that good conformation usually does not include features like an upside down neck? and she is will to learn when i got her she was not even broke to lead and she came around very nicely and easy i am asking 400 obo trade for boat, atv or good wrasslin tickets
the 2nd one is 2 year old registered golden palomino stallion of course he is and that sound is my head whapping into my desk his papers say that he is a overo paint but it does not show he has four tall white sock and white blaze and one blue eye and one part blue eye oh great the Blue Eyed Horse Association will welcome him with open arms, probably make him their mascot i have had him for about 2 or 3 months and when i got him he had no human contact at all he was not broke to lead he is broke to lead now i have started lunging him and he does very well my guess would be he was worked with when he was a weanling he lungs very nice good that he can breathe and switch direction when you tell him to i am still working on his feet he is not quiet sure about that yet but he is very quick learner and wants to learn he just needs someone who can be stern with him he came around quickly but he is still not sure about something i have had him tied and he does ok with being tied he has a very nice head and great conformation he will make someone a nice stallion or a nice trail horse i am asking 500 obo i dont have pics yet will post soon can’t wait to see this winner based upon what else you think has great conformation!
the 3rd is a 7 year old paint mare and thank you for posting her because I haven’t had a chance to use my made-up word “nest” in quite a while. See how the neck goes right into the chest? She’s got nest! Kinda like cankles. Not pretty. very nice horse she is about 13 hands she has blue eyes she was broke to ride when she was 4 but we have not rode her much at all we just got her with the intension to make her and the stud we have a driving team FOR WHAT? The Krazy Kolor Breeder Demolition Derby Driving Event? Were you really gonna hitch a stud that “needs someone to be stern with him” up next to a mare? Holy crap. Yeah you were. You probably would have put it on Youtube, too. but we do not have time she is bred for next spring she was bred to the stud OF COURSE SHE IS we have he is same color and size ’cause everyone is lining up to buy medium pony sized fugly paint horses so let’s make more all of the colts she has had have been spotted GAH! The neck has already bred on! she is a very good mother she does stand tied she stands to be trimmed she has been wormed how many times? Who thinks she has been bred more often than she has been wormed? i am asking 200 obo
the 4th is a 2 year old sorrel pony he is about 53 inches tall he is still a stud but he has not dropped yet oh joyful a possible crypt, everybody wants one of those TOO he is not mean he is broke to lead he runs with a couple studs now and we do not have any problems he usually buddies up with a stud he is sorrel with black spots all of his body there is no such color, asshat i am asking 50 obo we dont have any time for him.”
OK folks, check out that pic and tell me…can you find ONE part on that animal that is NOT bad? Is there ANY REASON AT ALL that someone should have made that horse happen?
No. No, there is not. No one is going to make any money here. An animal has been created that will be very lucky indeed if he doesn’t wind up on a double-decker. He isn’t going to stay sound for more than light riding. He’s going to be sore in a million places just from regular work – he’s the classic FrankenHorse, made up of spare parts. If he gets super, super, super lucky, some Iowa reader of this blog will feel sorry for his furry little self and go get him and try to clean out his disgustingly parasite-ridden gut enough to keep him alive. And the asshat owner will take their $50 and go buy more beer and put the stallion and the mares in together and laugh with his buddies, and the cycle will continue.
*headdesk*
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Stevie Wonder could see what is wrong with the poor pony! Hell, I thought it was a wormy, neglected foal when I first saw it!! The priceless quote is when they say ” $50….we just don’t have time for him”. Ya think? No shit sherlock! I think I figured that out on my own when I saw how poorly he’s been taken care of. I mean…..do you actually own any feed for this poor pony? I don’t care how badly a horse’s conformation is…..I can still have a nice shiny coat and well…uh fed perhaps?? Geesh!
Yes, and they all look better when they’re in good condition. In fact, that is how a lot of people get fooled into thinking a horse is breeding quality – because the horse looks aesthetically appealing because he’s fat and shiny and not wormy.
Actually, there is a color “sorrel with black spots all over his body”. I happen to have one. I have a sorral mule with the black spots all over him. He is out of a Standardbred mare. The spots are called “Bend Or” spots. Named after a Thoroughbred that had them.
Ooo-err those front pasterns!
Sorry whats a sorrel? Being an un-educated british person to me it looks like a bright bay?
Lol ‘nest’, im so gonna start using that one. Um, I think he’s got pretty white socks behind, does that count?
Sorrel is the western word for chestnut
I’ve always heard it used for flaxen chestnuts, myself.
Um… he is not uphill or downhill. There, I found a good thing about him!
Actually, the “sorrel with black spots” could be Bend Or spots. Not that uncommon, I’ve seen three horses with them.
Then again, she could be talking about this guy:
What is that? A chimera? *fascinated*
He looks like he got on the wrong end of an oil slick! What weird coloring!
We have a bay filly with a white spot on her belly. At about 10 mos. old, she developed a dark spot on her shoulder. I thought it was a manure stain or something, but it’s not. It is a big, dark spot which coveres most of her scapula area. Very odd indeed!
What they were probably refering to with, “sorrel with black spots all of his body,” are bend-or spots. They’re fairly common. My palomino has them everywhere and will probably get more as he ages. His sire practically looks like a damlation with the amount of spots he has. So bend-or spots/grease spots are probably what they were refering to.
But that’s beside the point.
I just hope these horses end up with people who can train them well and then give them to little girls who will love them despite their flaws. With good training, I’m sure they could end up as fine lesson horses. But it is truly a shame that that’s the height of their potential.
For all we know, he could be interpreting the dark points on a bay as some sort of paint pattern, lol.
Last I checked, a chestnut covered in Bend-Or spots was perfectly possible Owo
“…he is sorrel with black spots all of his body [there is no such color, asshat]“
I actually don’t see anything like that in the picture, but even when those spots exist, I’ve never seen them exist all over the animal’s body. I had a mare with a few birdcatcher spots on the rump and I have seen that before, but a sorrel with black polka dots? I want to see a picture of that. Not saying it doesn’t exist, but I haven’t seen it.
Actually you can see the spots in the picture. Look at his butt. I see five distinct spots.
Regarding Bend Or spots, Fugs, and anyone else who is interested:
Poor, dumpy beast from Craigslist:
(look at his arse, near the point of his buttock, along his topline and possibly just in front of the point of his hip)
Two chestnuts/sorrels with Bend Or spots, one with Birdcatcher spots as well:
Palomino TB who laughs at the others and thinks they’re both Bend Or spots n00bs, because he’s covered in ‘em:
Weird markings like these are neat. Nothing to breed for, but very cool to study when they do show up!
OK, that palomino IS interesting. I have seen the spots before, but never so many. He looks like a reverse appy!
Footy has bend Or spots on her butt. And just last month I found what appears to be a tiny beginning of one on Geroge’s butt, as well! LOL. It’s about the size of a pencil eraser.
And I was about to get on one of my trainer’s horses yesterday when I realized something.
A few months ago, he had two itty bitty white spots about the size of a penny. Now I’m counting *twenty*. I guess they’re very small Birdcatcher spots. We’ll have to see if they grow bigger now…I’ve been joking that he got tired of being a Paint (He’s a minimally expressed overo registered as a solid…he has one small pinto marking in his girth area)…and decided to try out being an Appaloosa!
Very cool. I have them too, only they’re tiny and called “beauty spots.” I’ve been told (according to Chinese ‘body reading’) it makes me smarter and sexier. Don’t know what it says about horses. ROTFL
For some reason, this phrase jumped out at me: “…he will make someone a nice stallion or a nice trail horse.” Is this something you, like, toss a coin over?
I love weird markings!! Hey, they also make stolen horses easier to recover.
My QH looks like he “tried” to be a Paint – he’s kind of a light chestnut bayish color, with a mix of chestnut, black and white hairs in his mane & tail. He has a big blaze that ends in a big white muzzle, and stripes instead of socks up the backs of his legs. HIGH up. He also has roaning here and there. He might technically BE a roan, I dunno, no one seems to have his papers!!
Pictures! He sounds suspiciously sabino to me.
It’s pretty hard to tell from the picture they posted just how ‘all over his body’ the spots really are and if the spots on his butt in the photo are actually them or not. One of the horses here at my weekday job is just covered in them. I went out and took some shots but, they don’t seem to photograph very well. Only his bigger and darker spots really showed up. I’ll have to try again maybe when there’s some better lighting (Yay washington weather =D).
I’d seen these on a nice color coat guide they have on whitehorseproductions awhile back.
Krugerrand:
Green Tune:
Haha looks like I got beat to some of it while I was taking pictures XD
542 words.
Not ONE period.
Not one.
I rest my case.
Oh, and I like the 53 inch 7 year old paint mare. Three months of solid training, and she can pack 4-H kids around. I already know that nothing can phase her, without ever seeing her move, and she’d probably be so grateful for someone who can use a period (and fit a halter) that she’d turn herself into a State Fair winner in thanks.
I made the punctuation comment to my daughter as I was trying to read it…..her response….”having no punctuation adds to the suspense!” There were a couple of spots where it took both of us to figure out what this genius was trying to say, oye!
OMG, I totally searched for a period too!! Nope. Not ONE. I couldn’t BELIEVE it!!!
What is wrong with people nowadays? Um, spell check much?
I’m like someone else who commented elsewhere about the fact that if two people wrote opposing stories, I’d be more inclined to believe the one with proper spelling, punctuation and grammar. Call me a snob. Whatever.
I read this months ago, and thought of your blog:
“Not one man in a thousand has accuracy of eye and judgement sufficient to become an eminent breeder. If gifted with these qualities, and he studies his subject for years, and devotes his lifetime to it with indomitable perserverance, he will succeed and may make great improvements; if he wants any of these qualities, he will assuredly fail.”
That’s Charles Darwin, discussing the effect selective breeding has had on our domestic animals, and of course building up to springing the concept of evolution on an unsuspecting world.
Thought you might like that.
True. I don’t think most people appreciate the complexity involved in breeding well. You really need an encyclopedic knowledge of the bloodlines involved, on top of knowing about conformation, your species or breed’s genetic issues, etc.
However, it’s a safe bet that if you breed ugly, useless, and tiny to ugly, useless, and tiny, it will not improve the offspring.
People like this just kill me. Producing c**p and describing it as if it were the next coming of – oh, I don’t know – a horse like High Sign, a Appaloosa reining stallion (I don’t know Paints, so I couldn’t think of an appropriate “good” Paint to mention). The woman I bought my nice young horse from is cutting back and selling some of her nice broodmares (all of which are broke) – top quality sport horse type Appaloosas and some TB and WB mares. She can’t justify even produceing a lot of quality saleable horses and so is cutting down on her numbers. A friend in NC, amateur breeder, has four horses for sale. All good quality, excellent conformation. $$$ being short, only one is started under saddle, but the others (a 4 year old and two 3 year olds) all lead, load, stand for farrier, lunge, etc. She’s TRYING to put together the money to get the others started under saddle, but while she can comfortably keep them in excellent shape on her 17 acres, cash for training is tight. And the market is dreadful. She has told me that if she were willing to price them at $5K or below, she probably could sell them, or if she priced tham at OVER $50K, there would be a market, but a 17 hand beautifully bred 5 year old TB gelding by Reputed Testamony out of a Babamist mare (eventing royalty!), started under saddle, the very picture of a top hunter or event horse, priced at $17K – no one’s interested. *icon for shaking head* But people can sell THAT c**p!?!?! or think they’re making money when they’re just producing for the 75 killer market? Aaaargh!!!!
Re: no such thing as sorrel “black” spots…Could they be Bend Or spots?
http://www.whitehorseproductions.com/ecg_basics4.html
Anyway, just saw that pic of him and immediately thought of those.
Sorry, posting on an alt now as I lost my old username and pw. This is Coyote from a while back
Omg not surprised to see this from Iowa. Sigh… This looks like it could have come from the same farm that posted two fuglies with the caption “They don’t know it yet but there gonna make pretty babies”. All it takes to get started is owning land.
I know how much cheaper board is in the Midwest. But board that ranges from $800-1000, as we have in Vancouver BC, slows but does not entirely deter those determined to own or breed fuglies.
We have a horse community called Southlands, situated between two golf courses and an immense regional park. It’s worth 1.5 million per UNDEVELOPED acre. Besides outrageous board, there’s a $1200 per year membership fee to the club, which houses the community indoor arena and eventing course. Many horses do merit this setting. Some, you wonder how they were trailered in without the residents linking arms and forming a human blockade ;-D
That’s right. We can make fun of people who write without knowledge of commas, caps and periods. But there are plenty who have letters behind their names and unlimited bank accounts, doing the same thing. They buy a “horse property” and populate it straight from Craigslist, without a lick of research. It’s pretty shocking to cruise by one of these “My house was shipped brick by brick from France, dontcha know” estates with emerald lawns, and see animals that don’t look much better than the ones in those trailer trash photos.
I can somewhat understand being sloppy with research re: hidden flaws or pedigree. Everyone is lazy in some area. But is it truly not possible to see the aesthetic gap between your Benz and that thang fronting your pasture?
Oh, you bet. I can’t find the link right now, but I just read something about some couple putting the life savings into Gypsy Vanners to support them during their retirement. We ALL know how that ended. Gypsies are now being rescued, one was dead already. If you know what I’m talking about, post the link – I think it was California?
Side note: While attempting to find THAT link, I found the next train coming down the tracks: Parelli trained Gypsy Vanners. Good GOD can you imagine handling these things on the ground in a few years? http://news.therecord.com/Life/article/718481
The couple has a strong faith which they credit for bringing them to their farm and to the horses.
No offense to anyone, but does anyone notice the proliferation of strongly religious people in the breeding arena?
I have a strong faith and plan to breed quality horses when/if the market picks up and after my colt has earned his right to breed after undergoing at least two years of training.
So you have a strong faith PLUS common sense and logical reasoning skills. Kudos!
Like Monty Python’s phrase on The Meaning of Life “Every Sperm is Sacred”
“… if a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate”
Since I am from the state I would like to be able to say this is the exception not the rule, however, I can’t. There are some very good breeders in the state who do their best to breed good quality horses, promote them and take good care of them. But it seems anyone with an acre of land feels the need to put a horse on it, whether they know what they are doing or not. My sad prediction, when they don’t get someone to pay their ridiculous price these horses will end up at one of the local sale barns. Of course the sadder part of that….the idiots who take them to the sale barn will probably bring home something “better”.
A couple of years ago we rescued 2 from a gal in central IA who had a herd of 50+. All but the 6 they showed were body scores of less than 2, in fact I had never seen horses so thin standing before. What she should have been doing was giving them away….instead she was holding out for $$$$….because “she could take them to the sale barn and get more for them.” BS – at the sale barn – if she actually took them, she might get $10. It’s very depressing.
Not that this excuses them from being complete and total morons…but that sorrel color does exist, they’re called Bend Or spots. Kind of the inverse of Birdcatcher spots.
Ben D’Or are the dark spots? I never knew exactly what those were. I knew the birdcatcher spots because I had a mare who had them.
Yup, here’s his pedigree: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/bend+or They have a pic of him, but you can’t see the marks. There is also one more kind of spotting on ‘normal’ colored horses. On greys only there is an odd spotting pattern called Tetrarch spots also named after a Thoroughbred racehorse. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/the+tetrarch They can also be somewhat common, most often in TBs I think though. Just in case you find osomeone trying to pass one off as unique.
It’s also just “Bend Or,” not “Ben d’Or” or any of the fancier spellings. I’ve seen it spelled all kinds of ways. <XD
That is truly the wormiest belly I have ever seen! Poor, poor fuglies. You can tell the people responsible for them know nothing about horses if they think these horses have good conformation. The “nest” jumped out at me first thing. Thanks Cathy for educating me on good horse care and recognizing good vs. bad conformation, recognizing an HYPP horse and cruel/abusive/dumb training practices. You are making a difference, one person at a time!
And those horrible front pasterns- it almost looks like the poor thing has DSLD
My wrists hurt just looking at the poor beast. If someone takes pity on him, they’ll have a hell of a time keeping him sound.
I suggest that the registered two year old colt is probably not registered in their name. Generally having a horse registered in your name involves joining a breed association and paying to have the horse transfered into your name. Given the overall low standard of care these horses have received, I think it unlikely that they would take the trouble and expense to do that.
Yeah I think that’s a safe bet!
As the can in the picture attests, we have money for beer but not for registration fees. Priorities FAIL.
Oh….Oh dear god!
Is it legal to own that many fugly wormy horses at once??? Oh god save us all I just am not sure how to respond to this other than I would like a 2Xtall adult, a large adult, and 2 childrens shirts when you get them made……
If that horse is 16.4 hands then I must be 10 feet tall. Hello people, if your horse’s head and belly are the biggest parts of the body–you have a problem. Dear horsemeat-eating people of the world–your steak comes from sad, scrawny worm-factories. Sad, sad, sad.
Wow….those are some super fugly fuglies!!! What do they have around that last one’s neck? Looks like a piece of baling twine…….dumbasses!!
Check this out…..when I first read this I thought it was a joke…..what kind of person wants to breed their mare to the cheapest, worst piece of crap they can find? He even says don’t contact him about a well bred, nice stallion for his mares….he wants a fugly to breed them to……unbelievable!
http://www.golsn.com/listings/farm-livestock/live_stock/1576772.html
In case that link gets deleted:
“I am looking for a young stud about two years old to breed with a couple of mares that where given to me. I am only looking to spend aroud $50 – $100. Please do not contact me about high dollar horses. Thank you for looking at my add. 606-802-2470.”
I am kind of impressed by what a vivid picture of the train wreck to come he painted in only four sentences.
On second thought, I think he’s a kill buyer or an aspiring one. I googled the number.
“Local Sales Network – Young Stud Wanted in Somerset, KY #1568276 …
Jun 5, 2010 … I would prefer a Tennessee Walker but, he doesn’t have to be. I do not want a plain bay. You can call me at 606-802-2470. …”
“Local Sales Network – Horses wanted in Somerset, KY #1576758 – Go LSN!
Jun 10, 2010 … I am looking for some free or cheap horses. I will come pick them up and give them a good home. 606-802-2470. back to search results! …”
“Local Sales Network – wanted free or cheap horses in Somerset, KY …
May 25, 2010 … i would like to find some free or cheap horses for me and my 3 s0ns please call i not ues email much 606 802 2470 thankyou for looking …”
“Local Sales Network – Horses wanted in Somerset, KY #1559901 – Go LSN!
May 31, 2010 … Horses wanted. {message_result}. description. I am looking for some free or cheap horses for my sons. Please call me at 606-802-2470. …”
“Local Sales Network – Horse Trailor in Somerset, KY #1548767 – Go LSN!
May 24, 2010 … I am looking for a cheap horse or stock trailor. If I can’t find one I can afford I wouldn’t mind getting one on payments. 606-802-2470 …”
“Local Sales Network – Livestock in Somerset, KY #1522605 – Go LSN!
May 9, 2010 … that is not wanted this includes horses, cows, goats, Ginnys, lamas, chickens, and others. Call 1-606-802-2470. back to search results! …”
“Local Sales Network – Wanted in Somerset, KY #1522609 – Go LSN!
May 9, 2010 … 1522609. Wanted. {message_result}. description. Wanted cheap horses and goats to trade on. Call 1-606-802-2470. back to search results! …”
When reading this post, I got a sick feeling that this person was from KY. This is why so many people think that us Kentuckians are nothing but hillbillies. It drives me crazy! He sounds like a guy that was putting ads up on craigslist asking for free horses saying he had lots of land and wanted horses to watch grazing. Then, he would put up ads on the same city’s craigslist selling the horses he was given! Of course he got caught and people were flagging him and putting up warning posts. We have tons of ads for horses for $50 to $250. I really worry about the state of horses in our area. Good horses are selling very cheap, rescues are full and our Ky Horse Council has even had to set up an emergency fund to help owner who fall onto hardtimes (it has to be a documented work loss or health issue). I’ve purchased two very nice registered QHs for $500 a piece recently. So if a good horse sells for that what happens to all the fuglies?
Yowza! I totally think you’re right. Fucking scammers. If you can’t get the horses honestly, and have to lie, cheat and even steal… does it not occur to you that there’s something wrong in what you’re DOING??
Oh, yeah, right, they obviously don’t care. Pity.
I don’t know about anyone else but I would say it is a safe bet that this guy is looking to breed for the meat market. Ya think?
OT…. but REALLY important!!
http://qhtimes.com/qhthome/default.asp
Quote from the website:
At Last! Sanity and Rational Thinking On Issue of Horse Slaughter
Wyoming has passed landmark legislation which will allow horse processing as an option for disposal.
What we like about this legislation is that it addresses concerns about humane animal handling.
Interesting also is that Wyoming also joined the list of states that have passed sovereignty resolutions.
Read United Organizations of the Horse news release
Article at CattleNetwork
Well, that’s an easy one. No sense renewing my membership to AQHA. Or showing at their shows.
I was even thinking of vacationing in Wyoming. Guess I’ll go for Montana instead.
I know that’s one side of it, but I keep thinking we’re not going to change it unless we infiltrate it from within. It’s like the government — if you hate the way it is, it doesn’t help to stay home and not vote. You have to get involved to change things.
It does frost me to give my money to a pro-slaughter organization.
Oh, I wouldn’t just go away. I’d go away, with a very nice Email to AQHA, explaining that I resent being labeled as a pro slaughter advocate by association.
I’d vacation somewhere else, along with a very nice Email to the Wyoming Chamber of Commerce, explaining exactly why I choose to spend my vacation elsewhere.
People need to hear that side. It doesn’t do us any good to say, “Well, Forget them then.” if we are saying it to our friends, or ‘the choir’.
I can only suggest that you don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. A well penned, respectful letter voicing your opinion as professionally as possible would be a great way to let AQHA know what is important to you (its members). Networking and sharing thoughts and opinions during down time at an event is a good way to educate others and get them on board as well. Get on the board, do a grass roots movement amoungst your community…
Well, a breed that heavily relies on not only AI, but now also embryo transfer so not only can stallions, but mares, can produce many, many offspring per year [i]has[/i] to have a disposal method that doesn’t cost anything (and actually puts a couple bucks in the pocket). It torques my jaws that the AQHA seems to not only condone, but encourage over-breeding. AQHA’s answer to too many babies that don’t make the cut or wash out after their futurity career: sell ‘em cheap for steaks and breed some more. Sure, there are approximately 30,000 TBs registered through the Jockey Club annually, but breeding is limited to live cover. How do those numbers compare to AQHA, APHA and other breeds that allow for higher volume?
BTW: I am from Montana, and they are not any better than Wyoming in that regard. There are several feedlots for Canadian slaughter plants. Conrad Burns was the senator who put forward legislation to allow the Dept of the Interior/BLM to sell “stockpiled” Mustangs to any one who wanted them, without the adoption restrictions. F***ing bass-ackwards cowboys in my opinion.
Um . . . concerns about humane handling? Wasn’t this addressed in the Humane Methods of Slaughter act of 1958?!! I quote, “It is therefore declared to be the policy of the United Stated that the slaughtering of livestock and the handling of livestock in connection with slaughter shall be carried out only by humand methods.” I don’t know where the ENFORCEMENT part broke down, but someone needs to take the testicles off all these fuglies and put them on themselves, stand up to the system, and enforce the law. THIS IS A LAW – not a suggestion. Just like theft. And murder. And child molestation. These are laws. They are enforced.
So, Wyoming, while you are getting all proud of yourselves for writing a law for humane horse slaughter, why not enforce the one from 1958? I call B.S.
I didn’t read the whole article (yet) but what about the title “Wyoming Governor Signs Legislation For Option Of Processing To Deal With Abandoned Horses” bothers YOU?
Could it be the wording “Abandoned Horses”?
a·ban·doned   [uh-ban-duhnd]
–adjective
1. forsaken or deserted: an abandoned building;
2. unrestrained or uncontrolled; uninhibited;
3. utterly lacking in moral restraints; shameless; wicked.
So, they’re just going to take horses they find wandering about, lost, alone, with no apparent owners, right??
I think the third definition actually defines the AQHA.
And the Wyoming Governor.
Oh gosh, that poor little thing is a crypt too? What an ugly beastie.
Okay, if any fugly sellers are reading this, here’s a lesson on how to make your fugly look a little better.
1) brush it
2) stand it in front of some trees, not your trailer, diaper-clad urchin, trash pile, old car, or barbed wire fence. If you live in the South, walk down the road a piece and stand in front of some kudzu if you have to. You can borrow your neighbor’s kudzu, I promise he won’t mind. There is enough kudzu for everybody. If you don’t live in the South, you may have to hike a while to find a place that doesn’t have a rusted-out car on it. Do it anyway.
3) Stand well back from the horse and zoom in all the way so your horse doesn’t look like he’s being shot with a fishbowl lens, like when Kirk was on bad drugs in an episode of Star Trek. Don’t use your phone camera. Get hold of a camera with an actual lens, even if you have to talk to Bob’s nephew Jordan who shot your friend’s wedding photos.
4) Hold the camera closer to the ground than to the sky, so you are not looking DOWN at the teeny little pony sized pile of crap you’re trying to sell.
5) Get whoever is holding the leadline to attract the horse’s attention so he swings that giant jughead AWAY from the camera, for the sake of foreshortening. Maybe wave a tube of dewormer or a set of hoof clippers. Anything your horse hasn’t seen before will do. Avoid waving food because your horse might plow over your assistant to get to it.
Is it just me, or is that mare terribly over at the knee?
Very good advice! I’ve blogged about taking sale pictures before, but if you only remember one golden rule, this is it: LOWER THE CAMERA. Shoot at the horse’s SIDE. Every horse, when pictured from above and especially face first, looks fugly as sin. I do not care how pretty it is, you can make it look fugly with the wrong angles!
This is why the best pictures of my ponies are taken by my eight-year-old son. He is the right height!
“enough kudzu for everybody”. YMMD!
Reminds me of a local CL ad -”Free star thistle, you pick.”
Well said, Alliecat!
I can make out the spots on the sorrel, our rescue mare Spin Around is a sorrel(chestnut) w/ Bend-Or spots and she has quite a few. Looking at the poor sorrel colt, he is a classic example of a malnurished 2yo- he just isn’t getting what he needs to grow but the parasites are probably eating quite well. The yearling filly is headed that way herself.
http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/grd/1789962040.html
Would anyone like a quarter of a horse?
Her neck reigns over all. :]
Dibbs on the reigning neck 1/4!!
I bet you’re right Cathy, it never dawned on me that there are actually people out there that would breed horses specifically for slaughter! Why else would you not care anything about the bloodlines, conformation, etc. of the foals……makes me wanna puke!
Oh yes. The Canadian prairies abound with not only PMU farms, but bred-for-slaughter operations. I had to sit next to the coming generation of horse “farmers” in class when I was an Aggie. What a mindf**k.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boulonnais_horse
Maintaining a historical breed by raising it for horsemeat production is sort of the interesting flip side of this coin. Though from what I hear, the popularity of eating horse meat in France is dying off, recently.
This is off topic. I did some Googling and came up with this article about Slaughterhouse Sue.
http://tiny.cc/cwv2g
Wow. I knew that Canada and Mexico were our closest neighbors, but China? Is that our closest neighbor or closest alli? I’m confused.
It is always these kinds of ads that have the worst grammar and don’t know how to spell or punctuate. They need to take some remedial courses in English and learn to spell. Sad for the horses that they probably have higher IQ’s than the owners.
Another person who bought thier brains at the “Dumbasses R Us” store. I have seen better “horse” conformation on goats. If that “dun” reaches 15 hands will be a shock to me. It never ceases to amaze me how many “horse” ppl dont know how to correctly measure a horse. I see so many ppl follow the contour of the horse with the measuring tape instead of straight up with a straight edge going from the tape to the withers peak.
Poor wormy beast, such a shame that more horses will probably come from these train wrecks to be sold as “quality” animals. Just because a horse is registered does not mean its quality or breeding quality. I have seen tons of registered train wrecks out there that make me wonder what the Hell thier owners were thinking……or not.
The only good thing about the stud is that he has a level build. A good quality in a trail riding horse. The shoulder angle isnt to terrible but those front pasterns are weak, weak, weak along with that so called back end. Where are the hocks? Teeny tiny hocks that the gaskin blends right into, camped under in front and what is with the straight pencil necked horses now days? Seem to be more and more of them popping up. At least he has a chest compaired to the other two pictured. Holy moly. I have seen so much crap horses on Craigslist that isnt funny. You know the old saying…….”you get what you pay for”. You buy a horse for 50 dollars you get a 50 dollar horse.
Growing up I heard the term “Oops spots” to describe Bend Or spots. The sotry on that is that God dripped black paint on a lighter coloured horse while painting another horse black (or other dark color) thus the word….”Oops”.
Sorrel though geneticaly not different from chestnut, shows up more yellow in colour with manes and tails of mixed coloured hairs from white to black. I had a TWH x TB mare that was a nice sorrel colour. A chestnut in mostly red of various shades but usualy have manes and tails of the same colour of the body. I’m not wholely sure what to say about the Crypto. stud’s colour because he is chesnut but has a black mane and what I can see of the tail its black also but does not have black legs thus not true bay in colour either. The coat quality makes the colour an ugly chestnut.
Either way he is still FUGLY along witht he others.!
I do alot of conformational analysis on horses many with photos and often have to post how to photograph a horse for a decent anaylsis. These photographs only hinder what qualities….if any…..these horses posses (very little). They make crap look more crappy.
Ok, clearly these people are idiots for wanting to breed fugly backyard ponies that will be err… more than enjoyed in France or Belgium, but at least they are working with them, which gives them a semblance of a fighting chance. And I was frankly ecstatic to see that the paint mare was started when she was four, because how many of these ads do we see a week in which Billy Bob Joe and his cousin/wife Sue Ann are riding a yearling? I usually come across three or four. In my area alone.
Oh, I do too. It’s endless.
Oh, come on. Could you at least get the country straight? The French actually put more time to carefully breed for quality horse meat (kind of like how farmers try to breed cows to have the most/best quality meat without having to feed the cattle for too long) than any of these rednecks has put into breeding these poor fuglies. If you’re one of the people still eating “freedom fries,” then that’s fine, but you should know that even French racehorses and fuglies, when they are, unfortunately, sent to slaughter, are often shipped to… Italy. Yeah.
Other than that, just two words for those who still think the French eat horse meat because it’s just such a fabulous delicacy: Brigitte Bardot. Look her up. And know that there are many, many, many people who support her cause, and tons of rescues that work hard everyday to stop horse slaughter. Yep, even in France. In fact, I know of a few in Belgium, too.
Those funky spots COULD be darker,non-bleached circles of new hair growing in after a case of ringworm or some other nifty skin problem.We currently have a bay roan filly that looks like an Appy on one side due to the regrowth of hair after the ringworm she arrived with was resolved. Pity those animals,they are squalor incarnate,damn the ignorance that created their misery.
What I want to know is…How do these horses stay in one piece? Today I went to pick up a goat and horses were tied to and amid a ton of junk. They were NOT starving. But still…. If I did that, I’d have an UnGodly vet bill….
You’d call the vet. A lot of these people, it either gets better on its own or if it doesn’t, they think that’s natural selection at work.
Isn’t Bend OR the town where the Mt Bachelor ski resort is out west? (Sorry, couldn’t resist) Am actually on my way to Redmond-near-Bend-OR tomorrow for Farwest Regionals.
Oh, and last weekend I drove my very first CDE (Combined Driving Event) in Prescott AZ. Best time ever ever EVER driving a horse! Whee! Dressage, Cones, and Marathon. Good people, nice horses, good times. Everything from tiny minis (VSE or Very Small Equines) to ponies to Morgans and Haflingers and Paints and pairs. All well-cared for, extremely fit, ears up all the way. If you’ve never been to a CDE, find one in your area to attend. Careful though, because if you don’t have a bridle or a hoofpick in your hands somebody will hand you a stopwatch and a clipboard and you’ll be the newest volunteer on the block.
Apparently it all started with a horse called Bend Or!
http://www.tbheritage.com/Portraits/BendOr.html
I think it is really really interesting how you can find so many of these color anomalies in TBs, especially since they are not bred for color! It just proves that you can screw with genetics all you want (Krazy Kolor Breeders), but in the end nature will take over with fabulous, interesting horses as he result.
Nah, Bend Or was just the most famous. I’ve seen these dark spots on chestut purebred Arabians. No Bend Or in their pedigrees.
Either Mt Bachelor in Bend OR or the equine community in eastern Oregon ought to make that ol’ boy their mascot one way or t’other.
He has a long sloping shoulder which is good for Dressage…of course the rest of his conformation and he’d fall apart like nothing else before he had a chance to be mature but that is a decent dressage shoulder for reaching forward. And somehow he’s also built pretty level, not downhill. Poor guy.
You know, since all these people seem to have internet access, maybe we can direct them to a way of producing their dream horse that DOESN’T send a bunch of fuglies to bad homes or slaughter: http://www.dolldivine.com/othergames/robeauchoix.swf
I am sick, sick, sick of people neglecting and taking advantage. Looks like he is a kill buyer by what you posted later on in the thread…I would love to “run into him” in that seedy little bar that he hangs out in one night… I wonder if he would have to stomach for what he does after a backroom castration with my dull, dirty Buck knife?
did anyone else notice on the horse with the black “spots” and horrid pasterns on his front feet that it looks like the photo-shopped its face? idk it looks to me like they erased part of it.
My little filly, I would consider backyard bred. My mare was bred when I bought her back. So I am taking care of someone elses boo-boo. I try to believe I am doing a good job.
It’s hard getting a picture of her not moving anymore. She loves showing off for the camera.
On a side note, the hafflinger filly I posted a few days back, I am working on upgrading. Whether I put her with my guys or end up giving her to a close friend to eventually train for her son when she turns three, she is getting out of that place! (The lady btw claimed her to be 15 hands. She’s lucky to be 13!)
1. The dun filly: This one doesn’t look too bad…The angle of the picture is horrid and makes her head look ENORMOUS, but she doesn’t look that bad confirmation-wise. I wish I could see better pictures because there might be some hope for her with proper nutrition, exercise, and some TLC.
2. The chestnut paint: EW! It looks like the front and back of this poor animal came from two different horses. The back legs are shorter than hell, the head looks like a potato, the neck is horrid, and I don’t even know what is up with the chest.
3. The chestnut stallion: Can we say long front pasterns? And maybe it’s just the angle of the picture, but he looks too upright in the pasterns in the back. Just…gross…This is the type of horse I would PAY someone to geld. And don’t even get me started on the “halter” he’s wearing.
I just don’t get why people do this! Anyone with even a single working synapse in their brain can look at these horses (like the paint, for example) and see that breeding…that **shudder**…would be a freakin’ STUPID idea. If the parents are that fugly, what makes you think you’re going to get much better with the offspring?
Just…GRR…
OT: I recently landed my dream job as a riding instructor at a summer camp teaching kids 8 and up horsemanship, care, nutrition, etc. and I was wondering if anyone had any tips when it comes to working with kids. And yes, helmets are a requirement! No helmet, no horse. Period. I’m super excited for this, and I want to be the best teacher I can be for them, so any advice will be greatly appreciated! Thanks!
Sorry, sorry, hate to do this again but I updated on Doug Spink again. I wrote one post, and you wouldn’t believe the people contacting me!
http://sharonmcleod.ca/blog/archives/658
Just have to say that it is possible that these horses were wormed. Not likely, but possible. We (my husband, actually) bought an arab/app pony mare (really?) off the kill trailer (Really?) – literally. (REALLY?) $75, a little thin, but wormy. De-wormed her 3 times (on a 6 week schedule and rotating products, of course), but didn’t get the results I was looking for. Called the vet who prescribed a double-dose, followed by another double-dose 4 weeks later. I only do this on a vets’ advice. I studied horse feet – they studied chemistry! Two days after the first double-dose she was crapping worms. (Eeeewwww. Gross. I’ve seen it before, but it’s different when it’s your own horse!) No joke, I’d say 200 worms per pile of poop ~ for three days! She got that spark in her eye, her coat got soft (she’s grey, so no real shine here), and she trots around just as happy as can be. Muscles started popping up, and those hip bones went where they belong – under it! So, it is possible. One would just think that after having these little guys as long as those folks did, perhaps they would see that their plan wasn’t working. Oh, wait. That would take intelligence. Sorry, my bad!
I think this person must have been forced to play with Breyers when what they wanted as a child was really Mr. Potato Head…now these are the equine version. What a mishmash of awful.
Shoot , now I am dumb enough , and sympathetic enough to buy those poor sad little horses. So, I believe this idiot s add is directed at me. I would rather shine up a sad neglected pony, and give it a better chance in life, then buy a nice one to start off with…well at least that is what I have done in the past with all the horses I own .with the exception of the new one that didnt come “broken and ugly”.( first time for me ) As long as there are people like me , there will be people like them , I am their market . So maybe I am the problem, I am the fuel to their fire . I wonder how many people take sad, wormy, “save me” photos on purpose just for the “sucker” market . This pisses me off, people like this shouldnt have horses, dogs cats or children. I keep waiting for natural selection to wipe this population out, but they breed themselves like they breed their horses. Some nice family will buy this pony for their daughter, she will fix the pony up and eventually start showing him. She will have done a fantastic job, and the horse will love her. She will never come home with a ribbon at her local show because there will always be the little snot with the $ 10,000 horse mommy and daddy got her for her 10th birthday , competing against her. Thats what i have seen …. or the horse will go to slaughter, lets hope that family comes along.
I was sent that ad as well by one of my readers – you just happened to ‘beat me to it’
My in box is overflowing with ads – I can’t possibly put all of them up on the blog, but I have tons to choose from. Ads like this are the least of what I get and see….
I couldn’t help but giggle at ‘the purity of the breed’. Sorry but Gypsy cobs are a type not a breed. They are very pretty and there are some very nice ones out there but still not a breed. Unless of course arappaloosas or walkaloosas count as pure breeds. Pure bred morgarafugawalkaloosas anyone? Well its kinda either pretty pure bred cobaclydeypony or pure bred Fugacobaclydeypony when it comes to gypsy vanners.
Those horses are definately stunted. They need to be on a worming program and proper nutrition for growing colts and fillies. I know they go through their awckward years but this is rediculous. I owuld be embarrassed to show those picuteres. Maybe they wouldnt look half bad if they were properly care for. my appy was like that at 5 months of age when I first brought him home. The lady I bought him from said that he isnt use to having grain. My friends horse was the same age and she was getting a quart of grain am and pm. He had dull eyes and an aweful coat with a ton of rainrot. In tless then wo months he looked like a completely different horse. His coat was getting shiny and he was perkier and he was filling out where he needed to be. He was kinda odd looking when I first got him. but I am glad I brought him home. She was into breeding. And all her babies looked llike that.
By looking at other typical ads that convey this caliber of fuglies, you can guess that the owners are not educated about horse husbandry or they for one would not have bred such a thing in the first place; for two, they would have noticed that their deworming program is not working to the best interest of their horses; and for third, they wouldn’t be trying to sell horses still intact, unkept, cheap, cheap, cheap with out a contract.etc…
Craigslist, let’s see: CL= Crappylist, or um, CL= crummylist CL= cheesylist CL=cruddy list and my favorite: CL= carelesslist
Please read what she has said about the mare!
http://jxn.craigslist.org/grd/1791018953.html
horses needs to go within 2 weeks!!! – $500 (Albion)
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Date: 2010-06-14, 10:25AM EDT
Reply to: sale-qjwax-1791018953@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]
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Cyclone (cyclonic destruction)- black stud. blue roan genes. green broke. asking 500$ comes with his papers and possibly a halter. make me an offer!!! he is a proven stud and one of his babies is a blue roan!
hes 14’2hhs and 4yrs old! very gentle not mean and my 8yr old niece and her friends are always leading him around and grooming him!!! not an aggressive stud! he must go within 2 weeks! or i take him to auction.
**Twisted Ellegance-Twist- bay and white mare. very gentle will be an easy breaker. shes scared and shy of some people a man beat her so she cowers from men and likes children and young adults better then adult men. 14’3-15hhs tall and 4yrs old. does not come with halter, but comes with papers. she stays until she has her baby and then next day shes gone. im asking 300$ for her. please offer. she doesnt leave here until she foals and the baby gets his first 4hr feedings.
it would be nice to get these guys good home together!!!! someone who wants to put a little mustang blood in there breeding programs. these guys are pure mustang! bought as yearlings….
(Silver Independence)
Silver-also i have a pony (kid safe) bombproof. 675$ firm. he is 12hhs tall and 13yrs old. silver dappled with flaxen mane and tail! he is been there done that show, trail, traffic, parade, therapy pony!!! the top notch pony and 5 stars for your kids safety! comes with bit bridle and red halter seen in pictures. he is a GELDING! NOT A MARE!!!!
STALLION MUST GO!!! SO MUST THE PONY! BRINGING IN ANOTHER PONY WHICH IS A MARE DON’T WANT BRED!!!!
call 517 962 1122 asap to come see and check them all out. or email. pictures on horseclicks and on craigslist i have no more so please dont ask!
all horses in pictures are for sale!
limited internet access. ask for melissa when you call please and leave your name and nuber and reasons for calling! or else i cant call you back!!!
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Ok this is what was said to a few different people when they inquired about these horses.
Sent: Mon, June 14, 2010 10:50:56 AM
Subject: Re: horses needs to go within 2 weeks!!! – $500 (Albion)
good luck getting a halter on that mare. ill have to kill her first. not joking. shes horse meat probably. since no one wants the damed horse. and the stud. hes a looker and green broke he has a chance and the pony definelty does. and i have been sold plenty of horses without a halter…”
(She has recently said the mare had a miscarriage and still has the foal in her)
Someone also asked if she would 100 for the mare and she said she said she’d get more out of the meat buyer!!
Here is a link to a thread with a lot more info from the seller.
http://mihorsecommunity.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=10928&page=1
WTF????
She is going to ditch the mare RIGHT AFTER the baby is born???
Her name is Melissa Sawicki, by the way. Anyone in Michigan familiar with this waste of oxygen?
Here is the asshat’s Myspace for him:
http://www.myspace.com/mustangatstud
She is also dumping a pony
http://jxn.craigslist.org/grd/1787048298.html
Oh and she thinks the stallion is going to make an EVENTER.
http://www.horseville.com/horses/horse249556.html
Also backyard breeding dogs. SHOCKER!
http://www.doggiedealer.com/dogs_for_sale_breed_listing.php?listingid=5932
*headdesk* *headdesk* *headdesk*
There are several people on our board trying to help….
One is trying to get her to sell the mare for $100.00 others including myself are working to get the word out on this situation.
She said the mare miscarried, because they were chasing her around the round pen, the vet was out to confirm this. But the mare is still carring the baby??!!
This is what she told a member on the board!
Were not sure what else we can do but make this whole thing public. Any Ideas???
Awful. Good luck getting the horse out, then if the vet sees evidence of neglect, make sure you document it for animal control and call them immediately.
This is the latest email from Melissa to a member on the board:
THis was the email response that I got…
its not born yet. vet says it wil be a bay since she was pasture bred by the black mustang. who i cant sell. ill sell them both for 600? studs green broke. and im not sure when i could show them then. since im always busy lately
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I honestly think this lady has a screw loose….in one email she says its been miscarried and this one it hasn’t been born yet?? wtf??!!
You know, it is possible to own both a stallion and a mare and not breed them. It’s called a FENCE, look it up in the dictionary. These people… I swear.
SERIOUSLY!
Mine has not sired a foal since I bought him OVER TWO YEARS AGO. And he has lived on properties with LOTS of mares ALL of that time.
It is not that fricken’ complicated!
I’m actually in the Des Moines area, and sent this to Worst of CL blog when I saw it. I wish I could save them and fix them, but with 3 I’m at capacity. I don’t want to part with the two younger horses and my old show horse is enjoying his retirement thinking he is a stud with my girls. I surely hope someone saves them. They have been runnign others ads individually. One ad says they just dewormed.
With the dark spots, I’ve got a chestnut irish sport horse and she has the dark and white spots randomly scattered on her. It seems every time she sheds she develops more. I was told this is what officially makes her a “liver” chestnut. But I’m not a color person. I’m more of a love my horses regardless of color person!
Maybe I’m too uptight, but I’m concerned about where this breeding TBs for color is going. I only heard of it recently. I don’t see the point. If the whole field in the Kentucky Derby was bay, nobody would care. It should help if they can keep the live cover only requirement, though. I would hate to see the Jockey Club letting breeders ship semen to anyone who pays them because the stallion is one of those colors ending in “o.”
Well, I’ve talked about this before. There is a wide range of quality there, as there is with most color centric breeding. There are some very nice colored Thoroughbreds (Guaranteed Gold comes to mind) and some that I think are pure blech (that Sabeeeeeeeeno Thoroughbred that Ashley Pelletier the hoarding wackjob had on her page comes to mind).
If you painted it chestnut and it wouldn’t be pretty anymore, it’s not breeding quality. I wish someone would program an application online so that you could submit a pic of your horse and it would make it sorrel so you could look at the actual conformation and not be blinded by color. I KNOW someone could do that. Like those things that show you what you’d look like with a different hairstyle, LOL.
Hey that’s a good idea; it can’t be too complicated to write a Web-based tool like that. I’ll get right on it, after I pay overdue bills and start loading last week’s dishes in the dishwasher. People will use it both ways, I’m sure, unless it only lets you select the basic red, gray and brown solid colors so you don’t wonder, “what if I bred my mare to a spotted horse and the foal looked like her…”
I am used to TB people never even calling a TB “black.” Thought they only came in bay, brown, chestnut and gray. What an eye-opener – they actually have a wide selection of colors. I have to admit I like buckskin.
Heres a contradiction of info in this Victoria BC ad
Used Pets Horses $250 – Kid-Safe Trail Horse
Saanich (View Map)
Cute 15HH chestnut Paint horse mare, white face, white socks. She is not older than 8 years.
She is very quiet and safe on trails – even for kids. No spook, buck or bolt. The mare is used as a school horse for kids right now, but needs a home with less work. Preferably somebody, who is looking for a safe partner on trails. Although the horse is really quiet on the ground as well, she needs some experienced handling, as she sometimes tries to nip or kick.
Asking $250 to a good home only
Ad Id: 12307979
Frig me !!!! a horse that nips or kicks being billed as a kid safe trail horse…
This was on our local craigslist, and I thought it was worth posting here — applies to horses, too!
“I will continue to flag if I see pets for sale. Craigslist is a place to rehome your pet not get some extra cash.
If you can’t afford your animals stop getting them (this includes finding them, taking in pets friends can’t afford, etc. Yes, you do have control over this) or take them to a shelter. Sometimes euthanasia is most humane.
If you have strays on your property you can always attempt to trap them to 1. fix them 2. take them to a shelter. This has worked around our farm and has kept the cat population under control (we trap, fix, innoculate and release). There are no sick animals that we can’t catch or treat, infecting other animals or breeding like crazy. It is the responsible thing to do.
There seem to be an abundance of people on here trying to rehome unaltered animals. If you can’t afford to have your pet neutered maybe it isn’t the time financially to own an animal. Chances are you probably aren’t keeping up on your animals other vaccinations…so now you have a potentially sick animal breeding…. and it was all preventable.
So I do have a hard time when I see 15 kittens that need to find homes. Do I flag them…no. Do I wish they took a more responsible course of action..yes. When I see a litter of mixed pups and the people are asking $250 (to assure a good home) yeah, I have a problem with that. I also flag offensive language. So, in summary, I will continue to flag.”
I really like that foundation QH in the middle. Cute color. Looks kindly and looks an easy keepr. Mostly, as you write, he looks like he’s built for work and that’s really nice.