It’s time to geld the humans…
Mar 11 2010
I know I’ve asked this before, but why do you have children when you aren’t going to make the slightest effort to ensure they live to adulthood? What is the point?
An alert reader sent me this Youtube video. I warn you, if you watch it, it depicts a child suffering an incident that could easily have ended her life. The person who posted the video states she was “fine” but I have no way of verifying that, obviously. And before you say it – yes I DID have the thought that they are attention whores and that I should not even feature it because it’s flat out disgusting all the way around and they don’t deserve any attention for it. But I decided to show it because someone may read this who thinks horses are like big stuffed animals and that there isn’t anything wrong with a little kid running around the horse pasture. And if posting this scares them into keeping their little kid out of the horse pasture, then it’s worth posting.
I am not sure which question I want answered more:
1. Where the hell were her parents?
2. Who the hell was the moron operating the camera?
2. Who the hell was the moron operating the camera?
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(Yes, I am scared that it was either her sperm donor or egg donor operating the camera. Very, very scared.)
I am not sure what relationship the person who posted this has to any of it — he posts a lot of videos, and does not seem to be a horseperson. I am guessing it was given to him by someone he knew, but that’s only a guess. He seems to know the outcome of the situation, which is why I say that. Anyway, In answer to HIS question:
Yes, the horse did it deliberately and no, he is not a bad horse. He is a horse who was being annoyed by a small and noisy thing. I doubt it registered on him that the small, noisy thing was a human. It seemed to him to be a small, noisy animal, and when it kept coming after him after he had told it very clearly in horse-ese that he did not wish to be disturbed, he smooshed it to make it stop. He didn’t stumble, and I don’t see that the other horse threatened him. He smooshed it to make it stop which was a perfectly normal reaction for a herd animal being attacked by a small, noisy animal that might be something like a dog that could bite him.
This is why we don’t let four year olds out in the pasture with the horses. I really shouldn’t have to be telling this to anyone with an IQ larger than their belt size, but clearly I have to.
Disgusting. Like I say, I’m only posting it in the hope that someone will see it and go, wow, it never occurred to me that could happen, I’ll keep my four year old out of the horse pasture from now on. Oh, and if you need any practice in reading horse body language – this is a valuable tutorial. I didn’t see that specifically coming, I figured he was going to double-barrel her, but I knew something was coming.
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Long time lurker, first time poster.
This is very OT, but I was following the videos on youtube and came across this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ7e290YFrM&NR=1&feature=fvwp
Follow up on the horse:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cldVIoKNMkw&feature=channel
(look at the blanket sore!)
The girl is unwilling to do anything other than all that she’s done so far, because the owners won’t sell her the horse, and she’s afraid of losing the horse. I think she could use some help and guidance on what else she could do, to ensure that she can get this horse.
Sorta on topic, but you have to see this video…
http://www.youtube.com/user/romeetta#p/a/u/0/qRmxcASjR5s
Reminds me of my horse completely. When I started riding after my daughter was born, I had an extra few pounds and stitches that made mounting and dismounting awkward. That truly looked like me mounting her for the longest time and when I dismounted, I sat to the side and slid off like I was on a slide. Thank goodness for her patience with me at that time!
Maybe the horse stumbled, I dont think he did, but even if he didnt, he didnt do anything wrong – which I’m assuming is what this video wanted to see when it was first posted on youtube – aka, “WAS THIS HORSE BAD FOR HURTING A KID?!?!!!?!!!?11!? PLZ TELL ME HOW MEANIE HE IZ!!1! ”
No. He’s a fucking HORSE.
…It’s not a dog or a cat or any other housepet – which even in both of those if youre going to have a bratty kid only a small number of saintly housepets will put up with that ANYWAY. It’s a HORSE. Now granted, my horse is very good with children…she seems to know they are little. But this is on cross ties. And I mean, good as in, I know that even though I’ve told them to lie their hands flat while feeding her they arent going to and she’s not going to take their fingers off. But in a FIELD? No. She’d run over that exact same kid she was taking sugar like an angel from 30 seconds ago, if said kid was chasing her around and scolding her and throwing a PISS FIT.
Now, for the piss fit the little girl was throwing, it’s not her fault. She’s four. She’s obviously not been taught anything about animals either and is probably one of those kids who also stomps on cat tails to see what happens and drops small dogs off the couch on their heads because they arent doing what they want her to do in her insane little 4 year old angry babble. But again, not her fault. The fault lies with the cavemen that raised her.
“….doing what SHE wants THEM to do in her insane little 4 year old angry babble.”
Hey, maybe some day she could have her own show on the Discovery Channel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwqTyPT_nls&feature=related
Oh ROFL!! The teenage version! Just running into the paddock and annoying ‘em doesn’t cut it any more…
Ahoy… over here… Darwin Award!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2voknKO7J0
Fugs, yours is the only blog I read every day in addition to my political stuff. It’s literate. Also, although I’ve been a horse person all my life, I always learn from your postings. Keep ‘em coming! (I love love love your insistence on good grammar and spelling, too.)
OMFG!! http://springfieldil.craigslist.org/grd/1642200215.html
Yes, the camera operator nearly recorded a child dying. Yes, the child should never have been in the pasture. No, the hore is no saint. We don’t know if the animal was a young stud, or a newly cut gelding. We don’t know if the other animal was his dam, or a mare in heat. I am wondering really if he was broke at all. We do know that he showed no respect for the human small as it was. And if we are to believe that the horse was ridden by the child on the following day, then we must accept that the animal was a family owned hore who had to know the child was human. Watching the tape, I never saw the animal move into the larger area of a big pasture, there was never a thought in the horse’s mind to yield. While there are dozens of occupations for which that horse could be pointed, I would never use him around a child or inexperienced rider. Sadly, having gotten away with it once he will do it again if he wants to because he can. While I might consider showing that tape to my grandchildren as a lesson without words, where I grew up the horse would have been called ‘snakey’ and it would not have been a compliment.
Thank you Ellen. My thoughts exactly.
Actually this horse IS a saint IMO. What he isn’t is a dead-to-the-world beginners horse, which is the only thing a 4 year old should be running around.
This horse could have double-barreled this kid. He could have struck her and easily killed her. Instead he did exactly what any herd member would do to a foal that was pestering them. I’ve seen it many times — knocking a misbehaving foal over with a sideswipe is discipline to them. Teaches them a lesson without harming them!
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… and that is where he loses his Saint status. The Human Child was not a foal, not a member of the Herd. Yep, he coulda double-barreled the kid, but he could just as easily left the area to avoid the Human.
I still place a lot less blame on the horse and kid involved than the parent and the Human holding the camera. Their job to keep the kid safe and they both failed miserably. The horse clearly said ‘Go Away!’, and at that point, kid should have been yanked and schooled on safety … and I would have hauled horse out and had a quick lesson in Horse/Human interaction. Not mean and scary, just a reminder of the pecking order and the horse place in it.
well, the horse did move away several times. he went and grazed in other places, and the child followed him and continued annoying him. after a while he gave up on trying to avoid her and just forcefully told her to go away. I can understand that- heck, I’m half tempted to do it when small children annoy me! (which of course I never actually do, because I’m a person and that would be wrong
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Yep. The horse told that girl to f-off over and over…and whoever was holding the camera is a moron…of course. IMO the horse was being nice about it by bowling her over. A kick or honest charge would have been worse. Funny, the horse once again shows more sense than a parent. :-/
I watched it again, and although he did clearly lose his footing, he did so while dropping his shoulder and moving sideways. I saw no attempt or intent to face the girl for a charge or turn away for a kick. He lowered his shoulder and moved with full sidestep for a body slam. He did not kick while over her or after regaining his footing and he didn’t pursue.
I showed this clip to my 7 year old daughter and asked her to tell me what she thinks. As she watched she went “That girl is teasing the horse, it’s not right”, “She’s running behind the horse mom”, “She should not be in a field with lots of horses”. Out of the mouths of babes…
Smart kid! And good MOM for teaching her that!
To be painfully honest, when she was four and I was a new horse owner I once parked her in an enclosed arena and told her to stay there while I go and fetch our horse out of the herd. When I got to him (about 60m away) I turned around and saw her going from horse to horse, having a little chat to each one and giving them a pat on the neck… Sometimes little girls’ horsey angels work overtime and their moms learn important lessons the almost-hard way.
Whoever is running that camera needs to be beaten. Accidents happen, especially with horses, and kids with horses are just scary. I know, my sister and I were kids with horses, and it makes me cringe when I think about the crap we used to pull when Mom wasn’t looking. We knew to some extent what could happen, and had seen plenty of “horse language”. No excuse but, this little one didn’t have a clue what could and did happen to her, I just get sick watching it.
The horse gave her every warning it could without making contact. Just before he decides to give her a stronger message, he gets *very* light behind, almost does double-barrel her — you or I would have known that meant “back off or ELSE”.
One issue is that horses who are not used to children do NOT see them as humans that should be respected, any more than they would see a foal as the alpha of the herd. That does not make the horse mean, vicious, untrained, or any other negative adjective. It just indicates this horse is not a kids horse, at least not yet. The fact that the child was “fine” indicates that the horse was NOT attempting to injure her. He *disciplined* her, just as he would any other obnoxious weanling.
It also indicates that the child’s parents and the videographer are total idiots and should be horsewhipped, not to mention having the child removed from their custody and placed with someone who will value her life.
it is obvious that the child is really irritating that horse and that the horse is getting aggravated by having it’s personal space constantly invaded. it’s easy to predict what will happen- the horse will defend its space, and chase off the creature that is annoying it so much. The adult filming this should have realised that and pre-empted the whole incident by removing the child from the paddock and giving the poor horse a break.
And you know what, the parent or whoever was supervising, should have had the common sense not to let the kid in there in the first place! and if you are going to let the kid run around with horses that are not being led/handled by an adult, then at least teach them some “horsey rules”. My niece is 5 (and developmentally delayed mind you!) and even she understands
1- Don’t chase the horse, and don’t go near his bum.
2- Make sure he can see you because otherwise he might get surprised.
4- Don’t make any loud noises and make sure you are nice and quiet
5- Don’t run around him, walk slowly.
Hi: I enjoy your site. Have been training/showing dogs for 40+ years. I am a clicker trainer http://www.vickysclickertraining.com and have 30+ videos on YouTube; links on my website.
Ceasar Millan treats people very respectfully, but due to his desire to ‘fix’ the dogs, he does not train them, but simply hides the behaviours…they will come back.
I was invited to Taipei (from Canada) to introduce clicker training to that country. Although the conditions are terrible, and there is no SPCA there, there are many people working hard to change things.
I organized the World Wide Training Levels Event, which can be found on You Tube, using those words. Won’t take up any more space…lots of replies today!
It’s been, what, 5 years since Cesar hit National Geo?
I would think that of the at least 200 dogs he had helped on TV in that time, IF he were just masking the problem, those problems would have manifested by now. And as he HIMSELF says he REHABILITATES dogs and trains PEOPLE.
Just as there are people that swear that Parelli has fixed their horse and that the 7 games when done right are the absolute only way of training a horse, there are people that believe the Cesar Milan way when done right is a great way to correct dangerous canine behavior.
Frankly I refer using something similar to his methods ESPECIALLY when dealing with dangerous and aggressive dogs (I used to rehab abused pit bulls), what did NOT work was click, stuff dogs face, click, stuff dogs face. UNLESS the dog was highly food moticated and HUNGRY.. Oh and if the dog wasn’t too smart, because smart dogs when you started weaning from food and on to praise started going, “what no treat? Eff you then”. Plus it alloys me to no end seeing clicker treat dogs when they obey a command go from looking at the owners face to looking at their hands and often getting up and going to the treat pouch because they KNOW they’re supposed to get a treat.
My dogs don’t obey me because I’m going to give them a treat (which I MIGHT if “I” feel like it), they obey me because I am the boss and I asked them to do something. It’s not about dominance and alphas, though he uses that terms. Earlier (in one of the recent blog posts), someone said something in passing about leadership, and that is what Cesar promotes, leadership. You can be your dogs friend, but you need to be it’s leader.
I think all people have their favorite training methods, mine happens to be Cesars. But I take what I want and can use, throw a little clicker in, and some common sense as to what is too much or not enough for each individual and I have never had a dog revert in 20 years when rehabbing mostly abused pit type dogs and all my adults that I bred and raised have been joys in their families, without being broken wind up toys.
And point in fact, I have trained dogs long before I knew who Cesar was.
Frankly I refer using =- prefer
Plus it alloys me = annoys
sorry, missed the typos.