It’s time to geld the humans…
Mar 11 2010
I know I’ve asked this before, but why do you have children when you aren’t going to make the slightest effort to ensure they live to adulthood? What is the point?
An alert reader sent me this Youtube video. I warn you, if you watch it, it depicts a child suffering an incident that could easily have ended her life. The person who posted the video states she was “fine” but I have no way of verifying that, obviously. And before you say it – yes I DID have the thought that they are attention whores and that I should not even feature it because it’s flat out disgusting all the way around and they don’t deserve any attention for it. But I decided to show it because someone may read this who thinks horses are like big stuffed animals and that there isn’t anything wrong with a little kid running around the horse pasture. And if posting this scares them into keeping their little kid out of the horse pasture, then it’s worth posting.
I am not sure which question I want answered more:
1. Where the hell were her parents?
2. Who the hell was the moron operating the camera?
2. Who the hell was the moron operating the camera?
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(Yes, I am scared that it was either her sperm donor or egg donor operating the camera. Very, very scared.)
I am not sure what relationship the person who posted this has to any of it — he posts a lot of videos, and does not seem to be a horseperson. I am guessing it was given to him by someone he knew, but that’s only a guess. He seems to know the outcome of the situation, which is why I say that. Anyway, In answer to HIS question:
Yes, the horse did it deliberately and no, he is not a bad horse. He is a horse who was being annoyed by a small and noisy thing. I doubt it registered on him that the small, noisy thing was a human. It seemed to him to be a small, noisy animal, and when it kept coming after him after he had told it very clearly in horse-ese that he did not wish to be disturbed, he smooshed it to make it stop. He didn’t stumble, and I don’t see that the other horse threatened him. He smooshed it to make it stop which was a perfectly normal reaction for a herd animal being attacked by a small, noisy animal that might be something like a dog that could bite him.
This is why we don’t let four year olds out in the pasture with the horses. I really shouldn’t have to be telling this to anyone with an IQ larger than their belt size, but clearly I have to.
Disgusting. Like I say, I’m only posting it in the hope that someone will see it and go, wow, it never occurred to me that could happen, I’ll keep my four year old out of the horse pasture from now on. Oh, and if you need any practice in reading horse body language – this is a valuable tutorial. I didn’t see that specifically coming, I figured he was going to double-barrel her, but I knew something was coming.
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I would disagree and say he DID know it was human….b/c if it had been a small noisy animal he would have kicked/bit or killed it way sooner. That horse clearly defined his space, asked her to leave, left himself and then defended his herd-mate…by getting rid of the threat. To me the choice to drop his shoulder and ‘body check’ the kid was a sign he was trying NOT to kill/hurt her. It would ahve been WAY easier to fire a kick to her head….
I think the idea that no kid can spend time with a horse at liberty is a bit much, but FOUR? Size alone is an issue…not to mention a HERD! I have witnessed my horses making daring maneuvers to avoid my son, who has been outside with them (he is older) but when they are fighting amongst themselves, jockeying for hay position etc… they would forget he was there in a heartbeat.
Chezza, I could not agree more. My husband and I just watched this, and even HE, completely anti-horse, could figure out what was going on and thought the horse was pretty polite in horse terms.
I agree… that is a very good horse, being very careful to not clip the child with a hoof. He is clearly warning her, and not trying to injure her.
But what kind of idiot films that, and doen’t put down the camera immediately to see if she is alright??? Even if it’s a clueless babysitter or sibling or something, that camera should’ve hit the dirt the moment the horse first lunged at her!
I agree – that’s what freaked me out the most – the calm filming of the incident … absolutely NO attempt to rescue the child! No scream or gasp or the camera hitting the ground. No reaction at all.
I HOPE the parent–or whoever was holding the camera–DID react immediately. That happened so fast, no unsuspecting person (especially a non-horse one) would have been able to move fast enough to do anything before it was all over.
I cringe to think what could have happened if that horse had not shown such self restraint! He did NOT kick her. He did NOT step on her. It was totally deliberate, especially his avoiding her with his feet. (And his patience. Not a kid’s horse, obviously, but not a bad or mean horse, either!)
Not the way one wants to see the gene pool thinned! I’m glad the silly child did not earn a Darwin’s Award that day! Dumb parents, though. (And horse owner, if he/she even knew they were out there!)
This is what I see: A kid that hasn’t been taught *anything* about horses, and a camera person who is so completely clueless they couldn’t seen the clear signals the horse was giving.
Then I see the horse decide to shoulder her, slip, and recover. On the super slo mo, it sure looks like he was preparing to shoulder her away, but (I’m looking at about 1:50) his left front slips sideways, then he lands on his pastern on the right front, and staggers to recover. I don’t think he meant to do exactly what he did. I think he was intending to either bite or shoulder butt her.
just my opinion but from the moment the little girl started following the horse he/she seemed to be annoyed…when a horse turns his/her butt to you it is usually a ” piss off and leave me alone manouver” as for the body swipe, have seen that several times, particularly with irritated young stock..( not at a person though, with young colts/fillies playing in the field..and when the play turns aggressive) ….to me the it did not look like the horse stumbled, i think he/she was prepared to roll her…. ( ie: one of your earlier post about the arabian stallion…who actually kneeled on it’s handler) ..either way super aggressive, but totally warrented behavior on the horses part…..and seriously…who the hell would let a child do this?….no helmet..screaming flapping irritating…….poor horse poor kid…….dumb ass parents…….i don’t think the horse made a decision as to weather it wanted to kick bite or roll…..level of irritation equals level of response!….this childs behavior had obviously reached the “super aggressive stage” in the eyes of the horse who responded in kind…..
OMG….should be titled How to be a stupid parent…get a child killed and frightened of horses for life..and teach a horse that children are scary.
How to ruin your child and horse at the same time!
(not that the horse is ruined..but you get it)
He did not want to hurt her but he was PISSED and wanted her GONE. If he wanted to hurt her he would have used his hooves all over her, trust me I would know
I was helping a boarders horse who had colicked and our at the time moron trainer (we had just bought the place, live and learn) came walking up behind me (who was holding a 1800 lb fresian/draft mix keeping him from laying down while vet arrived) and flapping his hands at the paint he was leading.
The 1800 lb Mack truck aimed, fired and KICKED me dead on in the hip (my fault, why was I that far away, Iearned a lesson that day) and I saw his eye aim and the intent was clear that he wanted to hurt me. And he did, cracked my hip. No warning, just BOOM. He was angry that the other horse was approaching, that I, the pesky human would not let him lay down and violently roll (he was in pain) and he wanted to exact some flesh for how he felt.
If that girl had annoyed THAT particular horse she would probably be dead. The horse in the picture while clearly annoyed and yes could have run away instead used his belly to push her away and for all we know if she had gotten close to that other horse she really might have been hurt. He might have been pushing her out of the way, who knows what goes on in their horsey heads.
Bad parents…very very bad parents.
One very restrained horse! He could have infliceted very serious damage biting or kicking that kid. Looking at the slow motion as he goes to push her out his space his right front slips slightly, you can see him knuckle onto his fetlock which makes it look more dramatic but the fact remains, this kid was seriously buggin the horse and instead of kicking or biting he barged her out his space.
Words fail me for the ‘adult’ filming – I know 10 year olds who aren’t allowed in a field on their own for exactly this reason, they don’t know when to stop buggin the horse
Having read all the posts and rewatching the clip a couple of times, I think it’s not possible to say whether the horse knuckled over on his right front or whether he deliberatly went down like that but he definatly went to sideswip the kid – notice the clear cross of his front legs, there was no intention to kick or turn to face to bite, but what a tolerant horse!
OK, I’m evil. I laughed at this vid. And yes, this is appallingly stupid. What kind of moron FILMS little Bryyttinnee while she’s getting squished to a pulp? Would you film it if she was playing in traffic? I’d have dropped the camera as soon as she got near the horses to get her out of that pasture.
And the horse definitely “pushed” her deliberately. It’s not a trip, since he (she? thar horse TOTALLY acts like a herd boss mare) would have fallen on her if it was. I’ve seen mares and my gelding, who loves baby horses, use this same move to discipline annoying foals who would be seriously hurt by a kick. Same sideways charge with ears pinned, same calculated result (target falls over). It’s just not usually used between adult horses.
That horse is a complete saint for not kicking that kid out of the pasture the first time she chased it. And it has a great future as a hockey player, with a tackle like that!
Just another example of why humans should be required to pass a test before procreating! WTF,WTF,WTF!!!!
And thank you to those of you who made reference to the little girl being a young Linda Parelli!! I damn near peed myself laughing! Jesus H. Christ if you can’t read a horse’s language and obviously this little girl, her adult asshole parents and Linda P. all have no FN clue then stay the hell out of their pastiure when they are loose.
This reminded me of the action of the Scapa stallion at the Scottsdale show — the description of the event was that the horse took its shoulder, knocked the trainer down and then savaged him. I would not do a thing to that horse because “at liberty,” it was behaving like a horse, ridding the herd of an annoyance.
The parent(s) of this child should be relieved she isn’t in the hospital on a ventilator. I’ve got “brain injuries” on the brain after Courtney King-Dye’s accident, and that little girl’s head is definitely in “hoof range.”
Stupid is as stupid does, and if there is a fatality, the stupidity gene “line” ends there. It’s too bad for the child, though, because her parent(s) should know better.
And yeah, who WAS filming this?
The parents of that child should be relieved of the child!!!
Agreed, agreed, AGREED!!
To me, it looked like the horse was just going to kind of come at her . . . never even meaning to make contact . . . but tripped. It really does look like his front hoof/leg didn’t land square and he kind of tripped/fell into the child. I am also shocked he didn’t kick her several times, that is what I kept expecting, so the trip/side push might have been the little girl’s saving grace in this situation. All the warning signs were there.
As for the parents . . . I don’t even get it. And it infuriates me to think they allow this, much less video tape it (or leave the child with someone that is capable of this). Somebody insinuated in one of the comments the little girl was aware of how obnoxious she was being . . . 4 year olds have no clue and it looks like she was trying to feed the horse a treat (where did she get that treat?). Completely and utterly the guardians fault!
Even in slow-motion, this video makes it evident how fast horses can move, and how fast a situation can change. This is why little kids, who cannot possibly understand the risks of being around horses, yes, even good, patient horses, need such careful supervision when they are with them!
I haven’t read all the comments, but would like to second (fiftieth?) the opinion that that horse is a SAINT!
He could have really hurt her, his method of “shutting her the heck up!” just bumped her in comparison to what he COULD have done…
I agree. Because he could have done this – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPyA60lQDR4
oh.. and can I also second the motion that it’s time to geld humans??
This brings back a memory of my 40 year old Saint of a mare, Midnight. A boarders little girl, about four uears old was pestering Midnight as she was eating. I had asked the child to stop several times, and had brought it to her mothers attention, and received no reply. Midnight had turned away from the child several times, trying to turn her face away from the pest, but the pest would just keep coming back. Finally Midnight used her head and shoved the child into the round pen rails. I personally thought she got what she deserved. The little girl cried and cried and called Midnight “the mean horse” from then on. But at least she didn’t bother her anymore.
Hey, Fugs, OT, but I thought you and some others might want to see this. I went searching for a video of that horse taking off and Anky screaming her head off, and I didn’t find it, but I did find this. Wasn’t someone wanting to see her get bucked off at a show?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEsjPgJrg1Q
This is ace! Shows what her horses think of her after being made to work in rolkur!
OMG that is so frikin unbelivable! how could anyone stand by and let this happen!?!. i NEVER let my kids in the pasture with the horses EVER!. my kids are 9yrs 7yrs and 5yrs. each has their own horse who we searched and searched to find the perfect match horse to child and yes they are all oldies who know their job well. the kids are never allowed to do anything with their horse unless i am right there. helmets and proper shoes are required. my 9yr old just graduated to being able to clean his horsies hooves on his own and only if i am right next to him. i dont even let them ride out ine the pasture or open as i worry too much. i let them ride in the round pen or a small paddock i made for them to ride in. my husband says i am way over protective.
my kids have also been taught from early on NOT to annoy the animals!. i dont think it was the horses fault that horse was being a saint for not kicking her i know it was thinking about it. my kid would be in so much trouble if i ever caught them chasing an animal around like that ever!
I have seen this manuever, and I’ve seen it many times. I breed Welsh ponies. When I put a herd of broodmares out together, some with foals, some who are pregnant but haven’t foaled yet, that’s when I’ve seen it. Whenever a foal, usually a colt about 2 months or older, starts annoying a broodie who hasn’t foaled yet, she’ll push him away with her shoulder. Just like in the video. And if he continues, she’ll push harder and put more weight on him. I had one colt that would not stop, and the broodmare eventually pinned him to the ground and held him for a minute. The dams of the annoying foals seem to accept this correction from the other mares. In my herd, this maneuver is used by the broodmares who have already had foals in the past, who recognize that this is a baby, and who want to be left alone but not cause damage or be attacked by baby’s dam.
I’m not going to state that this is definitely what the horse in the video had in mind, but when I watched it this was my very first thought. Just disciplining someone else’s annoying baby.
That was the scariest thing I have ever seen. I can’t believe the camera person/parents/whoever let the girl into the pasture were that STUPID! Kudos to the horse, he/she put up with a lot of crap that other horses wouldn’t. Whether or not the “attack” was deliberate or not, that horse is a saint for not trampling that little girl.
I hope the poor horse doesn’t get punished for this, and I hope the girl’s parents learn to be, you know, PARENTAL.
I have seen mares do this to bad babies (foals) who keep irritating them. You know, stuff like trying to nurse when shae says NO! Or rearing and kicking.
The horse had no intention of hurting the little girl. He used his body to push her away.
The guy posting the video needs to change the title to accurately reflect what really happened. It really should be titled, “4 Year Old Girl Annoys Horse Almost To Death (Hers)”.
Knowing how people are, it wouldn’t surprise me if these morons saw these horses from the road and thought it would be ‘fun’ to have some pictures of their kid chase the horses around.
At Custer State Park in S. Dakota, every year a few asshats (or their children) are killed when someone get the bright idea to have the children go stand on either side of a resting bison so they can get a picture. And there are signs everywhere reminding folks that these are dangerous animals. Hell, they are the size of small SUVs and weigh about the same amount. Would you tell you child to go stand behind your car as you backed it out of the driveway?
Same thing happens in Wyoming. Tons of warning signs. The locals quietly watch. They know some will never return and that’s OK with them.
I guess they figure nature is thinning the herd.
My aid,who knows nothing about horses,saw this vidio and in the first frames said OMG,that baby’s gonna get kicked!
If she can see it,why couldn’t whoever was behing the camera?
I agree, the horse DID do that on purpose AND he knew that was a child. YES, an annoying one, but a child never the less. The horse didn’t bit, strike or kick the kid. He/she could have killed the kid, period end of story. The horse instead showed great restraint in my opinion… just knocking the kid down, that’s it! THAT IS A GREAT HORSE!!!!
There are 12 or so houses on our road with the mailboxes at the end of our driveway-so everyone has to stop by here-last week I looked out the window to see what had the attention of the 4 horses in the pasture-and yup-lady from up the road was collecting her mail-infant in a front carrier pack, 2-3 year old LEANING THROUGH THE FENCE RAILS (2×6′s 12″apart)-there is a green belt on the road side of pasture-kid had to come up our driveway quite a ways to do this-mom stood back and watched-I was shocked-tell me-how if kid fell-or decided to climb the rest of the way through-or if one of the horses was more than just mildly interested in said kid-how on earth would mom with baby on front even fit through to retrieve?? I would NEVER let my kid be between me and 4 thousand pound animals-especailly if I didn’t know the animals-(one is a rez horse and another is an OTTB and there is a ditzy arab who likes to spook. None would maliciously ever choose to hurt someone but still………this lady doesn’t KNOW that) I should have gone flying out there naked and wet from my shower screaming at her-now THAT might have gotten my point across. My husband, being ever the diplomat-went fully clothed to talk to her.
I hope this wasn’t posted orignally as a way to decide the horse’s fate. If it was, then I vote that the horse stumbled as I would hate to think what fate may befall this horse if he was labled a horse that attacks small children.
I am amazed this horse did not kick this child, and found his behviour (side stepping) to be very interesting. It does not seem to be a typical equine response.
I hope that both the horse and the child are ok. I hope the videoer gets a bad case of boils.
Karen
I hope it wasn’t either…and I agree, I hope both are okay. I have a hard time believing the child was fine and rode the horse the next day, but that’s what they posted.
It’s way past time to start spaying and gelding people.
This kid’s parents and whoever was holding the camera (if it wasn’t one of her parents) should be charged with child endangerment.
That horse is an ANGEL!! He should be rewarded! I don’t think he stumbled or slipped, if he had wanted to kick her he had plenty of opportunity. Hell, I wanted to kick the little brat myself just watching it.
Why is the moron that posted this video trying to blame the horse? He should be filing a complaint against the stupid, lazyass parents. Dumbasses, all!
I hadn’t even thought that these people might be letting their kid run around on someone else’s property, but, I wouldn’t be surprised.
In the area I live I was told by the police that a “No Trespassing” sign posted on your property has to have the city code on it or it is not enforcable. WTF, shouldn’t it be enough that it’s YOUR property and no one should be on it without invitation?
Yep-a no trespassing sign alone (or-you know say 13 of them in arow) even in front of a 7,000 volt electric fence is not fool proof protection (FOR YOU, WHEN SOME MORON DOES THIS SHIT AND YOU GET SUED). At least out here. Similarly, if you horse snuffs some errant unwatched child where you board it, it is ultimately YOUR liability in the vast majority of cases. I still can’t believe some places stay insured given the BS I have seen at boarding stables (but that’s probably b/c they pass any liability on to the individual horse owners, so they never get nailed for a big settlement).
Yah pretty clear he(?) just wanted her out of his space.
Its honestly amasing what some people will let their kids do. When we were first looking for a horse we went to a farm to look at one for sale. While we were their they let their 2 boys who were about the same age chase (stampeed) the horses all around their small barbwire pen… smart…
The worst parenting fail I’ve ever seen when it comes to kids and animals was in a national park last year. A mom was sitting and watching as her 3 kids and little dog were chasing a cow and calf moose around the beach…. we reported them to the park wardens… even they were shocked.
Dear GODDESS are you serious…many people die each year because of moose attacks…they are one of my favorite animals and may look peaceful but they can beat a person’s butt in a matter of seconds!!!
I kind of feel like we should take up a collection and buy the horse…I hope s/he is not being blamed for that incident or branded an “attack horse.” WE all seem to “get it” about what happened there.
BTW working on getting that super skinny mare on Atlanta CL rescued…hope to have an update for you all today!
Personally I have seen a very similar event in MY OWN PASTURE when my idiotic neighbor’s decided to stop on the road and let their kids “play with” a foal that was out in the pasture! Any idea how quickly that could have turned ugly? When I stepped out onto the porch she hollered at junior to get out of the pasture but the way she was standing there it looked like she had been watching her kid and watching for me. I told her that it was very dangerous for her kids to be out with the horses like that but I doubt she ‘heard’ me… It scares me what might go on while I’m at work!
There is one sure way to eliminate children from your pastures. A good dose of hot wire seems to do the trick.
I’m sure it’s already been said, but that horse did the “right thing” as opposed to kicking that kid’s head clean off, which is what I was expectng to see!
As the mother of 2 daughters, ages 5 and 6, this video had my heart in my throat! This little girl even looked almost like my eldest, with her long, blonde hair. Perhaps I just know better, since I’ve been around horses all my life, but, WTF? HOW can any parent think this is ok?! I am cautious with my kids around ANY animal, no matter if it’s a (seemingly) cute little kitty, a dog of any size or breed, or a horse!
This horse is AMAZING! He deserves a medal for his kindness in putting up with this annoyance, and his relatively gentle manner in dealing with it.
I’d say that horse is a real gentleman… the kick he could’ve easily delivered would’ve taken her head off, but he opted to just check her with his body instead. I can’t say I’m surprised that some idiot parent would stand and video their child being “cute” with the animals, though… it’s pretty routine for people to do the same in national parks, only then the children are approaching wild bison, bears, elk… and those are DEFINITELY large and wild animals that will kill you without a thought. I wonder sometimes whether it’s a symptom of our larger disconnect from our environment. I mean, obviously those people are just stupid as posts, but there are also so many people now who just don’t know *anything* about being in nature. They go into the parks and they figure their kids are safe doing whatever, because the park rangers are there to keep them safe, right? And they wouldn’t let people just be around the animals like that if it weren’t safe, they’d have the animals fenced like in a zoo! It really does just boggle the mind.
AHHH!!! What an IDIOT! I have a 3 year old and 1 year old twins. My three year was around horses before she could walk (never alone mind you!) and she knows that she is to stay outside the fence and she also knows if we go near the horse she HOLDS MY HAND and is wearing a helmet. I take her to where I work and there is a sweet heart of a 27 year old mare that she gets to ride. I hold the horse and my husband walks next to her ready to grab if anything was to happen. My boys? Wear a helmet and are HELD on the horse.
You know its amazing how many people think that horses are just big stuffed animals. I can’t COUNT how many times at shows I have had to tell people to GET OUT OF MY HORSES STALL!
One example when I was in 4H I had a cute paint/arab gelding. He was interested in everyone and everything. So his head was always out of his stall (plus he had a cute face) I came to the stalls to start my shift for cleaning stalls and keeping an eye on horses and there were FOUR people in my horses stall. 2 adults and 2 children and my horse was getting obviously irritated as they were petting him all over and the kids were going underneath him (mind you he was three years old!) He had his ears back and was turning and trying to get away. I saw this and screamed at them to get out, and they looked at me and said “why? This is a free country and this is a public place”
Ugh so my mom came in and tells them to get out or she is getting security. They finally left and were banned from the horse area of the fairgrounds. They were so LUCKY that my horse did KILL them.
People are idiots!
So many people just don’t get the whole ‘don’t go in someone else’s stall’ thing. My current yard is a very strict ‘don’t interfere with someone else’s horse’ rule. Within the peopl you know who have given prior permission it’s fine and in an emergency but otherwise you don’t go in a box without owner/yard staff permission.
OMG! That could have been so much worse! I thought the horse was going to bite the little girl by the scruff of her neck and sling her away. Id like to kick the shit out of whoever let this happen.
I cannot believe that someone would let their child out there to run around with the horses and why the hell were they still filming when that horse started plowing that little girl??? First of all, I wouldnt let my child out there like that, second of all the second that horse appeared to be annoyed, the camera person should have dropped that camera and went to help. Third of all who in the hell in their right minds would not pick up the child and let her see the horses with a responsible adult? I have 2 and one kicks, and my child knows if he gets anywhere near them, he can get kicked, and hes only 3. He waits for me, and I lift him up on my side so he can pet them over the fence. Why oh why? Being a mom myself with horses, whoever has her should have known better, looks as if they shouldnt have children in the first place.
Stumbling????
If that is stumbling then I need to take my pony to the vet because she does that exact same thing to any dog that thinks it is a good idea to bark or chase her in the pasture.
Its a deliberate move horses do -its not a stumble
Good Lord next thing you know people will say there was a second horse on the grassy knoll!
“If that is stumbling then I need to take my pony to the vet because she does that exact same thing to any dog that thinks it is a good idea to bark or chase her in the pasture.”
Yep! And anyone who has seen that KNOWS that move!
“Good Lord next thing you know people will say there was a second horse on the grassy knoll!”
ROTFL I love you.
People, don’t get me wrong. It’s NOT a bad horse. But it DID do that deliberately. Those two things are not mutually exclusive!
I think horses are way smarter, and more in tune to people than we give them credit for. I can think of quite a few intances were horses have acted in a manner that would not be natural to protect a person.
My old gelding (31 this year) Was badly abused when I got him. He has turned into the best kids horse. Any little kid could do anything to him, and he is steady, and perfect. Put an adult on him and he is hot, sassy, full of fire, prance, spook, just a big jackass, lol.
Many years ago were were hunting, and had brought the horses to pack. My gelding was not blood broke, he was terrified of the deer skin, head, and smell. So we draped the hide on him, smeared bloon on his nose, and left him tied to figgure it out. He was dancing in place, being nervouse, when my mom lost hold of my little brother (about 3 at the time) who mad a dash for the horse that was dancing around.
My brother tripped, fell/rolled under the gelding, right under his feet. Horse contoreted really weird, and tried to get out of the way, then froze, and held one leg up while my brother climbed up his legs to stand up. My brother got clipped in the face from hitting the horses hoof when he fell, got a nice shiner, but was safe other wise.
Another time we were herding cows on the big dariy I worked at. The bull buffallo they had (had a small herd of buffallo) decided he liked young heifers better than his cows. He was pretty wild, and running the heifers. We were trying to cut of the herd that had spooked and stampeaded for the swamp land by the lake, and there were no fences back there. I was trying to cut off the herd when my horse dissapeard out from under me. We hit a bog, and my horse was in chest deep. I was off to his side, he turned then fell on me, and got back up. I was stuck. I told him WHOA> He froze. I fished around and got ahold of his tail, clucked to him, and he crept slowly forward dragging me out. He never panicked, struggled, or anything.
I’m kinda tired of seeing people say that the horse attacked this little girl. He tripped. Slow motion third sidestep his right front hoof lands at an angle his fetlock gives and he nearly falls down causing him to unintentionally body slam this kid. If anything it looked like he was going to charge her a little and take off for the other end of the pasture much the same way my Grandmother’s Arabian charges but does not injure the dogs when they are bothering her or playing.
I hate it when they’re in the pen anyway so I kick the dogs out but still that horse did not intentionally attack that child he fell. Accidents happen, tiny shouldn’t have been out with the horses alone anyway.
Try actually reading what people are saying!
NO-ONE is saying the horse attacked the child, everyone is saying the action was deliberate, and it was.
The horse was putting her outside his personal space and he was doing it deliberately.
He is a wonderful horse, very tolerant, but he knew what he was doing.
As a substance abuse counselor I’ve worked in many sitautions in which CPS would get involved in a heart beat…I have no love for CPS but HOLY CRAP I wish I could make a report on this situation now!!! I mean how freakin’ (watching language here) stupid could one person be…if that was a cat showing that body language most people would tell the kid to leave “fluffy” alone but no for some reason a the body language of a large horse is not registering as a “leave fluffy alone” situation. I would love to have this horse…so clear in body language and patience, saying what they mean and even at the last minute to push her away in a fairly “gentle” manner is amazing. Now some may argue that he wasn’t “gentle” but seriously consider the body size, the amount of “get away from me idiot child” language he was using… I really can’t say much about the camera person other than his mother should have swallowed him!!!
We have a sign at the animal shelter I volunteer with….”UNATTENDED CHILDREN WILL BE SCRUFFED BY THE NECK AND PLACED IN A CRATE”….always gets a chuckle….
Our barn sign says “Unattended Children Will Be Given A Puppy And An Espresso”
My barn has one that says “Unattended children will be sold as grooms.”
An espresso with loads of sugar in it?
Terrible parenting! I did notice that at the very last moment the little girl noticed that she’d better get out of Dodge — a little to late though. Could’ve been worse — I’m glad she didn’t get her head kicked off!
Fugs,
My apologies if someone else has already brought this to your attention, but I felt it warranted mention…
http://www.oregonlive.com/clark-county/index.ssf/2010/03/battle_ground_woman_dies_in_horse-riding_accident_in_hockinson_deputies_say.html
Very sobering story. About 75% of my trail riding is done alone and I had it beat into my head by redneck family and friends that you don’t ride with a helmet. I will also admit (and I know I’m going to catch crap for this, but I have no qualms about admitting my faults so I will say it anyway) that I have been known to pack along a 12 pack and have happy hour on lone trail rides. I have seriously been reconsidering the helmet issue lately and this helps drive it home, and the more I think about it I really need to start packing juice and water instead of the beer. Time to really start considering my safety on the trail, thanks for posting that link!
A human skull is not designed to be catapulated at great speed and height and hit the hard ground, Google most dangerous sports and horse riding makes the top 10 in some of them. We were on our group trail ride only last fortnight and a experienced older rider had an accident involving her horse on the trail, whereby the rider was thrown over the top of the horse and she hit the ground heavily when the horse caught her out and jumped over a small fallen tree, luckily she was wearing a skull cap, it had large scratches gouged into the outer cover, same thing with my daughter, her horse spooked and bolted, she took a bad fall a nasty gash in her skull cap and a some minor concussion (the older lady was thankfully just bruised) either one of them could have been fatals had they not been wearing protective gear, there are lots of lightweight, well designed helmets these days.
(first time poster, long time reader.. had to comment on this one)
Here is my take on the entire story. City Folk comes leaves Urbantown and visits BFE relatives, the Country Folk. While on the visit City Folk’s daughter is getting bored because Dora isn’t on and the nearest playground is half a state away.
City Folk: Do you mind if me and Rugrat go out and see the horses?
Country Folk: Be all means, they’re very friendly!
Country Folk assumes (wrongly) that City Folk will pet from the right side of the fence.
City Folk assumes horses are just giant dogs, lets Rugrat run around and play with horses.
Tapes it to show the friends back home.
I know when my Uncle comes to visit out of state and brings my youngest niece she begs me 24/7 to “go ride the horsieee pleaseeeee.” I always oblige when I have to time but I made it quite clear by NO MEANS, should she enter the other side of the fence. I don’t care if she has another adult with her, I’m the only “horse person” in my family. When my niece and I go play with him, he is always removed from the pasture with the other horses into his paddock by himself, and is always “restrained” with a halter and lead rope. My 10 year old Tennessee Walker gelding is in no way, shape or form dangerous compared to some other horses (I’m pretty sure he’s too fat to ever double barrel), but is still a horse, and is still dangerous. Thankfully my niece is a very smart child and listens. She’ll go out and feed him carrots until I get home but she never ventures to his side of the fence. Even still, this video makes me regret ever saying “he’s harmless, he’d never hurt a fly.” because there are people out there who will take that too literally.
Yes, Defiance, I know what you mean when you say, “this video makes me regret ever saying “he’s harmless, he’d never hurt a fly.†I always tell strangers who come to the door or want to pet my large scary-looking dogs, “be careful,” and when they ask, “Does he bite?,” I answer doubtfully, “Well, I don’t know… he hasn’t yet, but I don’t trust him.” My dogs are pussycats and I don’t believe they would ever bite, but it’s a good effect for security.
As for the kid in this video, CALL CPS! Am I the only one who thinks the parent is not just neglectful, but actually trying to hurt the child for the sake of a good video? After the first few seconds, I could think, “They’re just stupid,” but after continuing to videotape and not say anything… it was creepy. I really believe that any reasonable person, including non-horse people, could tell that that horse was going to do something… I was amazed she didn’t kick her after turning and threatening more than once. Clearly the horse didn’t want to do serious damage.
Thank you so much or posting this, Fugs!
I’m trying to teach new partner (of 3 months) to read horse body language so i can feel more comfortable about having him at shows etc, and do more than just hop up for a ride on my angelic 9yo TB gelding.
He straight away pointed out: The horse is clearly annoyed and at several points, was considering a short “brush off” kick, but opted to walk away, and then that annoying *thing* followed, so the horse went over *there* and kept on coming. He was predicting a huge double barrelled lash out as well – from the time the head went snaky, the hip was presented and the ear was locked back and on the source of nusiance.
That this horse opted to smoosh made us both think that it’s been used to dealing with other animals by giving them a broadside – whether cows in mustering, dogs etc.
Well done to the horse for not connecting in a much more pointed manner – I have a mare who picks up badly behaved youngsters and shakes them by the scruff. In a similar situation I could envisage her doing the same to a child and possibly breaking its neck. Would that be her fault? Not really – she’s telling an annoying junior to “Quit it!” just in Horse.
If anyone can figure out where that guy is from, please call CPS!! Seriously. At least flag that video as innappropriate due to child abuse.
That horse was annoyed and nobody had sense enough to protect that child. I hope the ‘responsible adults get massive hemorrhoids and resistant case of scabies. I hope that little girl is safe, wherever she is now. I don’t hold out much hope for the horse being safe.
I agree, I think that there was a stumble and I think it might have just saved this kids life. I see a horse lining up for a full blown kick with the back feet and the only reason that didn’t happen was that he stumbled on the downslope when moving in for the setup.
I have to tell you as a person who likes to live in a “child free zone”, I’d have been lining her up too.
I can’t believe that there wasn’t even a boble of that camera as the action started to play out, you could see it coming a mile away.
Darwin Award nominee.
You’re right: this is an excellent video for studying horse body language. Anyone who knows anything about horses would have seen from the beginning (of the video, at least) that the horse was trying to get the little thing to leave him alone. Turning his rump to her, ears back, etc. To me, there is no question that this “attack” was deliberate. The little girl is lucky he didn’t plant his two hind feet in her face.
Could have been this:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_KZp7paoEtmU/StQdOAYlfvI/AAAAAAAABpw/KioWEFi9D5o/s400/naz-angry-horse-dog.jpg
Is that horse for sale? Or can someone point me towards an “attack horse” this IS for sale? That was the most wonderful thing to watch… I think it knew that was a small human and lowered itself to body check the annoyance. I could lead that horse through walmart and have some fun.
gotta love a kindred soul!
My feeling is it is NEITHER a stumble NOR an “attack.” I agree with others that it is a perfect case of an adult horse disciplining a “foal” who’s pushing the boundaries of herd rank and personal space. It’s clear to me that he knuckles under that front fetlock in order to get himself down to the girl’s level with his body check so that he DOES NOT hurt her. If he wanted to hurt her, he’d have used his hooves or teeth. He’s meaning to teach her a lesson, bouncing her off his rib cage, scaring her, making his point about her impudence. I gather his message was pretty effective. I bet she got up and left him alone alright.
I think the horse showed a great deal of restraint for a 900 lb. animal. A foal has four legs and weighs around 120 lbs. by the time they get sassy, and probably would not have fallen down. The girl has two legs, and she weighs maybe 40 lbs., so she gets rolled. But she would be dead or broken if he’d really intended to harm her.
I do hope she was OK. But if she rode him the next day, anybody want to take bets on whether she wore a helmet?
This another disgusting example of parental neglect and ignorance. As a parent of a 4 and 6 year old, it confounds me that people actually A.) allow shit like that to happen right in front of them, B.) film it and C.) post it on the internet!
What SHOULD happen here is a visit from CPS for the parents, and an education for the child about horse hazards. But what probably happened is the horse got disciplined in some manner (shudder to think), and the kid was encouraged to go back for more.
Head . . . desk . . . head . . . desk . . . head . . . desk . . .
Pretty damn sad that the horse is doing the job of the parents. That kid is awful lucky she didn’t get a hospital stay or worse.
I think it is pretty obvious the kid knows the horse since she is yelling at him by name and comfortable enough to chase him around a pasture like that. Which leads me to believe she has been in an environment where she should have been taught a little more respect for horses. If she is learning from or emulating what she sees the adults in her life do, I would venture to say we just witnessed the next generation of fugly fodder!
IMHO is appears that the little girl has watched too much of L Parelli. The horse did NOT attack the child, the horse was just saying in body language ‘leave me alone’. And who WAS taking that video? OMG!!!!
Seriuosly!? Im mean,ugh, seriuosly? Fugs, where do these people come from and why are they allowed to have technology? Because it is cruel and unusual punishment to film this and post it for responsible adults to watch and cringe and then get upset about and worry about.
And the dumb ass questioining to go along with it is what really send s me over the edge. Uh yes the horse meant to knock her over and you damn sure luck she is alive (if thats actually the case). You could see several times before that the horse thought about kicking at her but thought better of it and still camera bafoon kept on rolling….
Stupid people just keep crawling under my skin!!! They are everywhere and we have to deal with them, theres no escape!! WTF!!!!
Have a great weekend everybody and good luck at the shows !
Off to aquire another stumbling drunk attack pony this weekend if all goes as planned.
A bunch of friends and I found an awsome horse camp one summer. Nice level sites, electric hook-ups and potable running water- all free at a state camp! Too good to be true? You bet! Turns out the park let the overflow from the regular camp stay in the horse camp and we got stuck with a Winnebago full of self-entitlement junkie yuppies and their 3 never-been-disciplined smart mouthed brats next to us.
Wouldn’t leave the horses alone, running around with super-soakers and nerf ball guns, and terrorizing the horses on the picket lines. Oh, and if that wasn’t enough we had a 4 1/2 yr old green broke stud in our group (perfect gentleman in most situations, but definitely nothing yuppie crotch spawn should be trying to climb all over). After several heated arguments with the parents who couldn’t comprehend the fact that we wanted their kids nowhere near our horses, dad even cussed us out and told us since the park rangers told them to camp there we had to let their kids play around the horses (I’m sorry, it’s an effing horse camp- not MickeyD’s playland) we gave up and started cooking dinner. Next thing we know the worst of the bunch, a bratty little boy about 8 years old, is squealing like a stuck hog. He’d been yanking on the stud’s tail and the stud took a step back, knocking him down, and then nearly scalped him when he put his back leg down.
Fast forward- Ambulance in horse camp, horses spooking on picket lines, everyone is freaking out, dad’s not showing too much concern for the kids but is making damn sure we know he is going to sue every person that has a horse in camp. We packed up and went to a different camp that night as did nearly every other horse camper there. We never went back, and all the stud owner has to say about the lawsuit is Thank God for the Equine Inherent Risk Law! Small kids have no business around horses without a horsey adult around, and doubly so if they have no respect for horses’ boundaries!
Actually, no.
Your friend is lucky.
He had a case as, had you thought the kids were in danger, it was your responsibility to move the horses.
They were on public land, where they had been told to park.
The person that was totally in the wrong, and the person your friend would have had to counter sue, was the park ranger who told them to park in the horse park.
Children under a certain age (it varies from place to place) are not responsible for their actions, and, whilst it is primarily the responsibility of the parents to make sure the kids are OK, you also have a responsibility, in a situation like this, to make sure the children are not harmed, and allowing them free access to the horses was not doing that.
You would have had to have proven that you took every care to try and keep the children away form the horses, which you obviously did not.
Oh my god if I see one more stumble comment I’m going to have to video Shorty stumbling on the dogs when they bug her.
I mean really ???
More stoopid kid tricks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuZ6CF7mxns
I heard once that Gandhi told his fellow peaceful protesters to lie down in the street in the face of a small cavalry of mounted policemen, knowing that the horses would not step on them.
However, I once witnessed (from my office window) a particularly nasty protest on the Ontario Provincial Legislature where the protesters brought mattresses in order to foil the mounted cops. Well, it was quite funny to watch four of the big horses, in formation, plow right over the mattresses without so much as a flinch, sending the protesters flying.
I wonder if the horses knew the difference? I’m thinking, yes.
Spay/nueter the parents!!
What an annoying kid. The horse was very good. He gave her the warning nudge. I wouldn’t say he intended to knock the girl down, he definitely gave her the “Get away from me!” shove. Next step would be a nip or kick. Although no one there had a clue, the horse gave every warning sign that he was annoyed. This is why if anyone even looks over my fence, I call the horses to the house for a carrot. Don’t give people a chance.
What a patient horse!! I vote- Bad or Nutty parents, annoying child, GOOD horse!!! A “bad” horse would have kicked, stomped, or bitten the annoying little creature that kept following, pointing and making noise– and done it a lot sooner than this horse. And really it would not have been a “bad” horse, just a horse without much patience. WHO LETS A LITTLE CHILD WANDER AROUND ALONE WITH SEVERAL LOOSE HORSES???
The horse tried repeatedly to let the child know it wanted to be left alone. Horse kept moving away, but the kid kept following, looking at the horse, pointing and yelling (all behaviors that a horse could read as threatening) And, yes, the kid is much smaller than the horse but so are, dogs, coyotes and bobcats. Note also, before horse finally had had enough and put both ears back just before knocking the kid over, it put the ear nearest the child back, but other ear was still pointing forward. WAS THE HORSE WAITING FOR THE PARENTS TO COME GET THEIR KID BEFORE TAKING ACTION??
Not really sure that horse did not “stumble” a little after body checking the child, but it was a deliberate “body check.” Looked like horse tried very hard to avoid stepping on child once it was down. Definately think the horse realized it was dealing with a little annoying human– or else it would have struck out, bitten or kicked the little bugger. Horse acted with great restraint.
WHERE WERE THE CHILD”S PARENTS? I hope not behind the video camera the whole time.
So the kid was apparently “none the worse for wear” huh? What about the horse? Is the horse okay or was it beaten off camera?
Wow that is retarded. I teach lessons to small children, they MUST have their helmets on the entire time they are in the barn for safety. Not only that but I don’t allow small kids to go out and catch their own horses for their lessons. Their parent has to go into the pen, catch the horse, bring it out and THEN the child is allowed to lead the horse into the barn. It just seems like common sense that it’s a very BAD idea to send a horse out into a pen of horses when they’re that small.
That was scary to watch. The horse was on the attack. It almost looked like it was getting set up to kick until it stumbled…I’m glad it stumbled instead.
Okay, I’ve watched this several times and had the whole day to think about.
1. These seem to be older TBs, maybe even teenagers.
2. There really isn’t anything for them to protect – grain, water tank, babies, etc.
3. Girl is being a HUGE pest.
The amount of sheer energy this horse puts into his correction makes me feel things could gotten quite extreme, had his foot not slipped.
My aging TB would have done the following escalation of behavior to get her away.
a. Blown snot on her.
b. Knocked her down with his head.
c. Headed out at a slow trot to the end of the pasture while switching his tail.
d. Gone to the person with the video tape for help.
NEVER NEVER NEVER attack a holy human person of any age.
The horse in this video expends the energy in a way that should not be necessary with what is basically an annoyance. Pins ears, big swift, calorie-burning, adrenaline-creating, difficult-to-execute movement that actually puts him off balance, which no horse wants to be.
His pasture-mate says, “Holy shit, Bucky, what’s up?” when he starts to go for her.
I’m saying more devil than saint right now.
I hear what you’re saying about never attack a human, but the horse did try to go away several times and the girl kept chasing him. Could the horse have run to the far end of the pature? Sure, but why should he? That is his area and the girl was being the intruder there. Even if we go to the extreme and say a horse should always “bow” to a human with respect, this girl didn’t command respect. She gave off an irritating baby nuisance vibe.
I think this could have ended so much worse. Not horse or childs fault. Serious parental failure.
We’d all like to see our wonderful horses nuzzle up to children, but like people, we can’t expect them all to have a personality that deals with that perfectly every time. I think the horse was extremely tolerant. I wanted to smack that child and her parents too.
You can’t fix stupid…
The horse could have exited the situation, or simply stood and put up with the girl’s smacking him annoying him etc.
Exiting the situation would have meant leaving the herd, and in effect giving the girl seniority over him/her.
Standing still would have required a thick enough skin, since this girl’s body language clearly indicated she was going to hit, smack, or poke at the horse. Maybe she was just gonna give him/her a big ole hug, but her body language said otherwise.
The horse did indeed have choices, but I think it is important to remember that he didn’t make the worst choice– he could also have chosen to treat the child as a nuisance animal, and kill her. I’ve found dead dogs in the field before.
In that horse’s eyes, the girl was trying to force the horse to leave his herd– something that she really didn’t have the size or experience to enforce. I could almost call this video “Join Up Gone Wrong”. Not that I’m advocating or belittling Monty Roberts. I’m just saying the parallels are there, and much of Robert’s description of horse behavior would apply in this situation.
Smart and as considerate as a Horse could be! No hooves, no teeth, didnt roll on her. She all but spoke NO a million times but was ignored. And to think that Kid was in her Grocery store!
I thought the exact same thing. Guaranteed these people are total nobs who saw horses from the road, pulled over and said “Katie, pick some weeds and run out there so I can get a shot of you with the horsies!”
And I’ll sixtieth the theory that that horse is a Saint. He gave her PLENTY o’ signals to “beat it squirt”, and she wasnt getting it. Nor was the filmer/parents.
Darwinism at its finest.
I have to agree about stupid parents, but it’s the same story when it comes to dogs as well. I have a 1 year old coonhound/german shorthair, and he hates kids, and strangers in general (he has no reason for it, never been abused by kids… just doesnt like them) And I always take him with me, even to the public park, on leash of course, when my friend takes her daughter there to play so he can be used to people at least from a distance. Every time we go, soccer mom sends her kids over and says “go play with the cute doggy!” (he is rediculously cute ☺) without even acknowledging my presence. I can’t even count how many times I have yelled ‘are you effing stupid? Dogs bite!’ across the park at these people. Of course I’m always the bad guy, you know, taking him out in public on a short leash and keeping him very close to me, how irresponsible of me!
I can’t watch the video…my POS computer can’t seem to handle this one.
But I know all about the body check. In fact, I’ve used my own 150 lbs to *stop* a 1000 lb horse dead. Shoulder in front of their shoulder. On 90% of horses it works really well with barging leaders. Its an ‘I’m in charge’ maneuver.
In this case, ‘stop it, you annoyinig brat’.
Oi… *rubs forehead* I’m not a horse person and I saw something coming. To me it was just like an old cat getting harassed by a kid, having it’s tail pulled until it finally bites. That girl is lucky to be alive.
Why do kids have a magnetic attraction to equine butts? When yard apes come to pet my burro, it seems like 75% of them gravitate to the wrong end. She doesn’t mind but I get tired of educating kids for free. Besides being able to tell their friends that they “Petted an ass on the ass” followed by a Beavis and Butthead style laugh, of course.
YARD APES! hahahahah!
God, that is horrifying. Obviously the child provoked the horse, and as you said, this doesn’t make the horse bad. And it doesn’t make the child stupid or bad either. Obviously all she has known is what her parents have instilled in her, which is horses apparently are big stuffed animals.
This is why if I should ever have children, they will know from the moment they can comprehend the idea, that horses are not scary monsters, and they can be a human being’s best friend, they can feel and love us, but they are still large prey animals and they CAN hurt us, and sometimes intentionally, although most often unintentionally. And the rule will go that until they are grown up enough (physically) and most importantly mentally as far as equine knowledge goes, don’t get close to the horse without an adult. And god knows they won’t be in a pasture for any reason other than to catch a horse or pony, and it will be under heavy supervision.
My trainer has 3 children, 10, 7 and 3 I believe are their ages. Nobody is allowed around the horses or in the pastures without an adult close by. And her 3 year old is not allowed to walk around the horses period as far as I’ve ever seen, someone is always holding him as to prevent him from being stepped on. I give her so much kudos for being a sensible parent.
I remember I wasn’t allowed to pick up horses’ back hooves until I was 12 or 13. My trainer would let me do the front, and then she’d do the back. I was thrilled to see the other day that my current trainer is upholding the same rule with her younger students, when I went out to ride Jack at the same time she was helping one of her child students groom and tack up.
I remember I was allowed to catch whatever horse I was riding by myself by the time I was 9 or 10, but there was ALWAYS, ALWAYS someone around to insure that if something went sour, I wasn’t going to get hurt or killed. Of course, for some reason, even from the very beginning, I never underestimated horses…I always seemed to have a natural respect for their size and strength, and didn’t do anything abrupt or silly around them. Never have been in a pasture accident. Save being attacked by a GOAT who resided in a pasture, who did not want me to take my horse out of there apparently.
I haven’t had a chance to read all the comments this time so pardon if I repeat…
In my opinion this child has been around horses before. You can hear her trying to use her “authoritative voice” and order the horse to stop so she can feed it a treat. She has no fear. In my experience “most” children are not going to be that fearless around such big creatures unless they have been around them before. (I realize this doesn’t apply to all.)
That said the child is not being a brat, she is being a CHILD! In the words of one of my favorite comedians, Bill Cosby, “all children are brain damaged!” I don’t care how well behaved your little kid is they will have moments where they don’t listen and when they seem to forget every good sense you ever gave them. Do not bring your kids to the barn unless you are going to pay 100% attention to them 100% of the time or have someone you trust who will do it for you. People who say, “my kid would never…(act like a child)” are just as bad as the people who say “my horse would never… (act like a horse)” I don’t know at what age I will start trusting my kids a little bit more but my oldest is 5 right now and we’re not there yet. (And I would consider him to be very well disciplined.) I have no words for the *can’t think of a word bad enough* person shooting the film. He/she should most definitely be brought up on child endangerment.
Oh and the horse deserves a gold medal for showing the restraint that it did!
I will be the first to admit (and I will upload it one day if I ever figure out the technology) that I have super 8 video of myself at around that age, bouncing merrily up to a foal that was lying down and wanting to pet it. The foal, of course, said HOLY SHIT THERE IS A CHILD RUNNING AT ME and jumped up and ran away. My mother had no clue how unsafe it was for me to be out there with a foal (and his mom who might have very well chomped me for harassing her baby). Neither did her backyard Shetland pony breeding friend, whose farm we were visiting.
I will say that I, at least, got equally scared by the sudden move and ran back to my Mom…LOL.
Several years ago I got an email that said anyone over 30 should be dead. Why? Because we all rode our bikes without helmets and went to the park with a group of friends, often unsupervised. Heck, my best friend and I used to ride our bikes several miles (at least it seemed like it) down a pretty busy road just to get to this horse farm we lived near so we could pet the horses over the fence and feed them sugar cubes. Our parents had no clue where we were half the time. (In my Mom’s defense this was when I was staying with my Dad.)
I agree there are people out there who truly don’t realize the full extent of how dangerous horses can be. I think since I now have many years of experience with horses and have seen my share of accidents, kicks, bites, etc, I am a lot more cautious about letting my kids hang around them unsupervised. Just b/c we beat the odds and survived our childhoods doesn’t mean we shouldn’t take a little more precautions with our own kids. (And don’t get me wrong, my kids don’t live in a bubble. I don’t follow two steps behind them waiting to save them from every fall or scrape (that would be impossible since I can’t be in three places at once!) But when it comes to horses at least I insist that they play it safe.
If you have the equipment (camera or taple player) to play back your old tapes to TV (RCA output) you can transfer them to DVD with a very inexpensive hardware/software product called “Dazzle”. We bought one last month and have transferred all of our vidoes over to DVD. The Pinnacle software that comes with it allows you to do some pretty cool editing too.
I agree. The horse was being a horse. The child was being a child. What’s the excuse of the adult holding the video camera?
Plain ignorance. Like others have commented on was the way the horse was communicating that he didnt want to be bothered with. Walked away with pinned ears,showing his butt to the girl etc. How much does a 4 year old know about keeping safe around a pasture full of horses? My son is turning 15 and no I dont let him in the pasture unless I am there because he still doesnt know enough about them. He just likes to help me out with the chores and I educate him on signs that horses give to tell you how they are feeling, how to approach them the right way, just basically staying safe and out of their way if they start running around. My son isnt too graceful sometimes and I tell him how important it is to be very careful at how you step and to make sure proper foot wear is on and tied. He has no interest in riding them he just likes to help out with feeding and cleaning up after them. I never pushed him into it, thats basically my hobby and dont expect him to help. I use to have my son stay in the stall while I cleaned it out. now I am starting to let him help me clean up in the pasture but he still needs to be near me.
Can we please geld whoever owns this thing, too? Left in with mares my ass…and if this thing were a car it wouldn’t drive! http://www.stallionsnow.com/stallion-ad-255889
OK, total newbie question–why does the stud fee go up the more foals he sires?
I’m a newbie too, but I’m guessing it’s because you know he settles the mares and you also can look at his foals and get a good idea of what traits he usually passes on. The influence of the stallion varies.
Sometimes the stud fee reflects the virility of the semen, if the horse has a lot of foals on the ground it can show that he’s pretty fertile. Also the conformation, movement, color, “bone”, and temperament of the foals can influence the stud fee. There ARE morons out there though who raise the stud fee just because the stallion HAS had foals, regardless of what those foals look like, or what they’ve done
Thank you!
I’ve seen that manouver with my broodmares and their foals. The full body slam to back off the irritating little rat…. he was disciplining her, something that her parents should have done a long time ago…. oh, wait, asshat parents were probably filming the whole thing and dreaming of “Funniest Home Videos” and winning the $10,000 dollars to buy a big screen TV and beer. Too bad he didn’t swing around and charge the dipsh#t holding the camera…. I would’ve paid money to see that…. freakin’ morons…..
Wow, I am really afraid to say it, but I saw the left horse walking away from the kid, only to be in the space of a dominant horse on the right raising her head. Attack horse had her ears back at the horse on the right, and tipped her nose to fend off a possible blow, trying to sidestep quickly out of dominant horse’s way, tripped and knuckeled under on that fetlock completely and fell into kid accidentally.
I totally agree that the parents should be neutered, but I read the body of both horses differently. As always, I could be mistaken, but that is what I saw out of that. The dominant mare’s cues to get the invading horse out of her space were very subtle, but they were readable to me.
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CPS should remove the poor child from her idiot parents and appoint THE HORSE as her new guardian, since he has demonstrated his ability to discipline her appropriately.
And I don’t think the humans were city-folk guest noobs or trespassers—the child was obviously attempting to imitate something seen on a Parelli DVD.
I agree definite parent fail. My 4 and 6 year old girls have strict rules that they ARE NOT allowed in pasture without mommy. Unfortunately being that we have our horse pasture is on our property where we live, this has been a rule that has been purposefully “forgotten” on at least one occasion. Having the rules and getting the kids to OBEY the rules are 2 different scenarios. But my kids have learned the consequences of disobeying rules with one very pissed off mommy and privileges suspended.
If this particular scenario had happened to one of my kids, (other than I wouldn’t have been standing there videotaping it letting it happen – sheesh, obviously the videotaper had NO CLUE of horse body language!!!!), after making sure they were alright, kids would have gotten a HUGE lecture, punishment and NO PITY from me! I.E….”You KNOW you are not suppose to be in there without mommy!” The mare, while I agree, took a definite “less harmful” route to dispensing of the annoyance, would have still rec’d disciplinary action from me because I don’t care how annoying the kid was, horse still is not allowed to act aggressively toward humans, NO MATTER WHAT.
But I just gotta say, again (as the “CPS should take the kids” comment seems to be a common statement on FHOTD), that saying that this particular episode should require a response from CPS and taking the kid indicates a lack of understanding about the very dire and abusive situation that children that are taken from their families exist in. Not to mention, the truly traumatic and life-altering consequences of taking a child from their family can bring – and NOT always for the good. Ask any professional in the field and they will say the best-case scenario to keep the child with a family, even when the family has issues, if those issues can be mitigated with counseling, education and support. Physical abuse, sexual abuse, severe neglect are SERIOUS problems in the families of this country. This video certainly demonstrates a serious lack of common sense and the responsible adults definitely deserve a big STOP BEING AN IDIOT whack to the head. But there is nothing that warrants CPS taking this child and indicating thusly only belittles the problems we do have. Not to mention, if you TRULY want to make the parents maybe think about what they did threatening them with the “TAKE YOUR KIDS CARD!” only makes the accuser sound like a rabid idiot, puts the parents on the defensive and certain won’t leave them open to actually considering the very valid concerns of this situation.
How would you have gone about disciplining the mare in this situation? Because in this particular situation the parent wasn’t right there the moment it happened, and we all know the 3 second rule. I really hope you don’t mean that you would have gone back out there and disciplined the horse long after the fact, when the horse wouldn’t have a CLUE as to what he/she’s being punished for. And when I say “Long” after the fact, I am referring to waiting anything longer than 3 seconds to act. I understand your reasoning in that a horse should never act aggressively towards a human, but I will have to politely disagree with you. If the horse is being abused, beaten, chased around and aggravated I’m all for the horse defending itself. That is their basic right, and we couldn’t blame them for it. HOWEVER if the horse acts aggressively out of pure un-provoked malice and is misbehaving in general, the horse should certainly be reprimanded and in a timely, fair and just manner. That being said – this CHILD was completely incapable of handling EITHER situation and had absolutely no business whatsoever being left unattended with the horses.
Oh, I am all for the 3 second rule. Personally I find most folks don’t really get how IMMEDIATE they need to react.
Assuming I was standing where the videotaper was (although I couldn’t imagine that the situation would have ever gotten to this point being that from the very beginning I would have been yelling/grabbing that kid out of there…), but assuming I was standing in same spot and looked up to see this happen, my reaction would have been to have charged at the mare on her right hand side (between kid and mare so I continue herding mare away from kid as well as the other horse) screaming and yelling at horse while grabbing screaming yelling at kid. Basically, scare the bejesus out of them all. I would assume I wouldn’t have been able to physcially reprimand the mare, as she was loose and I couldn’t have grabbed her in time. My experience is that most horses will take a screaming/yelling pyscho person as a punishment anyway. “I’M the dominant mare and you are going to GET IT for that misbehavior!” is what I want horse to think.
And while I do think this mare certainly took the “lesser route” with this kid than she certainly could have, I’m sorry she still DOES NOT get a pass from me on her behavior! The kid was annoying, for sure, but she certainly wasn’t beating this mare! And the mare had PLENTY of space to actually get away from the kid if she really wanted to. As in trot away. Kid didn’t have her trapped in the corner. No, this was a pissy horse with an annoying/idiot kid. Both get disciplined. Especially because I find horses that you DO let get away with this sort of thing only become much, much worse! Next thing you know mare is charging her owner when they come out to catch her because it is “annoying” and now you have horse being sent down to the auction for being vicious. So what is more abusive, giving horse a “oh we so understand you were aggravated by stupid kid” pass or letting a behavioral problem be created? Pretty sure the horse wouldn’t think it through as far as “kid was really annoying and obviously has stupid parents so therefore my behavior, while dangerous, was justified in this scenario.” That’s human think. I think horse would remember it is as “annoyed, annoyed, annoyed, REACTED! Annoyance gone, eat grass, yum.” And if no negative reaction or “punishment” comes into that equation then the horse takes the behavior as a positive.
I agree, theres absolutly no way of repremanding the horse what what she did – I’m not even defending really the attack, just….you cant repremand the horse unless you leave the kid laying there. By the time you REALLY have the kid checked out to see if she’s alright (getting her out of the feild, no broken bones – ladeeda) you’d have to then put the childs risk in danger by NOT rushing her to the hospital, getting back in there, and repremanding. Even then, all you’d be teaching the horse is that you get chased around by a screaming mother for probably something the horse doesnt even recal anymore as the reason for your actions because of the time laps. And furthermore, a horses’ field, its one and only sanctuary and space that is where they are allowed to use an ounce of their natural territorial instincts, is not the proper place to do much of anything. Good horses know not to come in when they should come in and should know not to run away when youre trying to bring them in, that’s really it, IMO, because every other aspect of their lives is completely dominated by humans, by what we want to do, what we want them to do, how they should stand on the crossties, treat us in “their” stalls, ground manners, poking, prodding, whatnot. And, on top of that, this wasnt a “human” by any means to this horse more than likely. A child, acting aggressively (all around confusing, no body language/threatening body language in my opinion since she kept waving her hands, yelling high pitched, and chasing at the horses hip, which any horse that can longe knows means go forward, and any lazy horse hates this, and THEN cutting her off) is not going to register in a horses’ brain as something that ought to be respected and it SHOULDNT, because that’s asking far too much of a horse.
Many dogs can relate to this, but they are full time domesticated animals and even then, being child safe has a lot to do with personality and not as much to do with training the dog – and everything to do with training the child. It’s the same with horses to me. A child can be told to NEVER EVER EVER go into the field by herself, to not yell at a horse, to use CERTAIN commands, not babble, and to not wave her arms and stand behind a horse, and the FIRST rule anyone should ever learn is NO RUNNING. Every rule was violated. Those basic rules arent there because they’re the cool new trend, they are there because…you cannot breed or train those instincts out of the horse in every scenario. Yes you can put a blue tarp on a horse in the roundpen and make him not hate it, but if a blue tarp blew into his feild at random and engulfed his head, I think he wouldnt go, “That’s obviously a blue tarp, I’m cool.” All that bombproofing stuff to me teaching a horse “when I’m working, anything can happen and I’ll be fine.” But when they are at their own leasiure, they’ll click back to their natural instincts, because the crutch that holds the glue of sanity isnt there – YOU, or whomever they solidly trust. Same with kids. You can teach a horse to be a saint around them in a working enviroment, but I dont think you can teach a horse, nor consider a horse “bad” and needing to be repremanded for acting the way the horse did, in the feild, in a non-working enviroment, in a totally different element. Unless the horse is just that naturally lazy and bombproof to walk away, I dont think you can MAKE them in a field enviroment. It is lose and uncontrolled.
My feelings would be different if that horse shoulder checked the girl in aggrivation while in, lets say… a barn isle.
Ah christ. I need to stop coming home from bartending and trying to type anything that makes sense at 4am. I just sound like a lunatic with all the switched up words in there – I probably am so that’s alright. Okay sleep now.
littledog says: March 12, 2010 at 8:24 pmCPS should remove the poor child from her idiot parents and appoint THE HORSE as her new guardian, since he has demonstrated his ability to discipline her appropriately.
And I don’t think the humans were city-folk guest noobs or trespassers—the child was obviously attempting to imitate something seen on a Parelli DVD.
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Best comment by far!! The horse has more sense than any human involved in the situation. He/she should be put in charge of the kid. I do believe the horse knew exactly what it was doing… it could have easily put that kid into orbit but chose not to. What a great horse!
Yikes! That girl is lucky. My Dad was not a horseperson either, but if I was ever wandering alone in the pasture with the horses at that age he would have tanned my hide so raw I’d be hurting for a month, not stopped to videotape. How could anyone not stop her when she’s running up behind a horse? You don’t have to be a horse person or even have an IQ above 5 to see how annoyed that horse was getting…
That horse is a saint. I kept cringing while I was watching thinking that the little girl was going to get a hoof in the face. That’s what most horses I know would have done. I actually found the horse’s reaction quite gentle in comparison to what could have happened–the horse used his/her shoulder to knock the child over rather than a swift kick that would have seriously injured or killed her. Definitely a very crappy parent/guardian/babysitter that was filming and watching the kid–not only did he/she LET the little girl torment the horse, but I noticed that there was no immediate rush to the child’s aid once she was knocked over. My family has one home video of my little cousin being led around on a pony in her first horse show. The pony bucked her off (hard to believe on a lead-line, I know, but she was a quite ornery pony). The footage is HILARIOUS. . . the camera was literally thrown out of my aunt’s hand as she leapt the fence to get to her kid–and this was a girl who fell off an 12 hand pony on a lead line while wearing a helmet, with an arena full of competent people that were already rushing over. Is that not how a competent parent/guardian/babysitter should react?
I’m waiting for the person who took the footage and/or the poor ignorant kid’s parents to rush in here screaming about how we’re a bunch of sick freaks and we’re stalking a little girl and we’re all bullies and won’t somebody please think of the children. It’s been a while since I could fill in that square on my Fuglyblog Flamer Bingo board.
From the looks of it, we would probably also get a round of, “You don’t know horses! I do!”
I rewatched and I kind of see what you’re saying.
But on the other hand, the horse is pretty much counter-bending his body to apply the blunt force of his side to the child, as opposed to turning towards the child and charging/trampling her. Obviously the horse isn’t interested in making a serious attack outright, or he’d have delivered a swift kick and been done with it. He put in the effort to deliver a warning…
Also the child was clearly the source of the annoyance from the beginning, and I just don’t see why the horse would suddenly divert his attention from one thing (or rather being forced to concentrate on) to making a show of dominance over a nearby pasture mate. I know you didn’t suggest it, but I’ve heard tale of horses ‘protecting’ human beings before, but I really don’t know how much of it I believe, and even so it would be extremely rare. The only reason I can think of that the horse would suddenly turn it’s attention to another horse, that’s really not doing anything to challenge dominate horse, is it would be defending the child. Which, to me, is a bit far-fetched anyway in horses. But the horse isn’t too happy with the child to begin with, so I don’t see why defense of the child would be the cause of the sudden attention change even if that were the case.
I have seen this move many times, a horse I used to loan was very…….special. The herd was made up of two very dominant mares, they used to graze on oposite sides of the group and there were regular mexican stand offs where niether would back down but the rarely fought. An underdiciplined, overfed lunatic, a very docile and submissive gelding and Mable, the one I loaned, who wanted to play a lot and seemed to have no understanding of personal space or horse-ese ‘leave now’ language. She was bottle raised and very pushy with people and had no concept of body language.
If the gelding or the loony mare got into the space of one of the dominants they got one warning look and if they didnt back off then a kick. If mable got into their space she got warning look 1, warning look 2, step forwards with warning look, then a shoulder barge. (and if she didn’t naff off then it was a kick). It seemed that they knew she was a bit dense and gave her a lot more oportunity to go away without kicking. From observation of a lot of riding school ponies and some riding for the disabled ones horses often seem to know when someone cannot really understand them or doesn’t mean it. Whether they care or not depends a bit on the horse.
Good lord yes, geld them and perhaps it’s time to re-chlorinate the gene pool cos there are some seriously brainless morons walking around out there.
The horse was amazing and I really hope he/she wasn’t punished for doing what seriously needed doing.
Don’t think I’d have been so gentle or waited that long.
SHAME SHAME SHAME to the pathetic excuses for parents of the annoying little brat who put their child at risk for some cheap attempt at internet ‘fame’ (or whatever stupid reason they filmed such a thing).
Feel most sorry for the horses having to tolerate such ignorant owners; if they do this without batting an eyelid, what else are they capable of???
I am going to pretty much agree here…Who is the person behind the camera letting that little girl chase around the horse? WTF>? NO brain cells?
What I saw was horse A trot toward horse B, and horse B did not move one hoof. A subordinate horse’s head and body would react to a dominant horse trotting towards it. Horse B lifts head slightly, and flicks left ear back one notch. In my herd, that is Mama’s cue that somebody is getting into her space. That sometimes happens when they forget to pay attention to the boss gal. My though was that horse A had been caught between an annoyance, and danger. When horse B’s ear flicks is when A’s ears go back. I think if she had not tripped, she would have trotted off at an angle after the sideways scoot, avoiding both situations. As it was, she went the way she thought best.
Kids don’t belong out with horses. I have to hope that camera runner was simply momentarily stunned, and then ran to help child, and that is just footage that we didn’t see, but I am an idealist. I have several horses that are not comfortable with the short humans. I also have a few that are really too interested, thinking they are treat dispensers. Heck, my 100lb dog knocks the kids down. No kids are allowed out and about with them unless closely escorted, and certainly not allowed to chase one around. That kid was practically round penning her with her body language. How would a horse know that she didnt’ intend it? I would have been horrified if it was someone at my place. I sure don’t think I would have posted a video on the web. Hopefully it was not the horse owner’s kid, but a city visitor that allowed that. I can’t imagine anyone I know letting kids out there without supervision.
I have to say that I have never seen a foal sideswiped like that. I have only had 3, so not too experienced I guess. I have seem mostly warning bites and back legs lifted and threatening, not too many out and out kicks with the babies. Now the adults???? They are WAY harder on each other….
I was expecting a kick too.
To be fair to the horse, we don’t know how long the child had been chasing her- the video only shows the last few minutes of what was going on.
Never posted a comment before so I don’t know maybe there is a way I could have just emailed this straight to you Fugly but anyway here goes…found a video of a horse finally getting the better of her abuser…you actually see the guy’s sandel fly off at one point…ha, MORON!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J95LsygVMaQ&feature=player_embedded
Holy crap! Now see – THAT’s an attack. This is why everyone is saying the horse treated the little girl quite well in comparison to what could have happened.
The kid’s name is “Bryyttinnee” ??? You are kidding, right? No wonder the parents let the kid run around in the pasture bothering the horses. They have absolutely no sense.
Omg that is sooo scary. I wouldn’t let my kid run around a herd of loose horses even if they were ancient and harmless. At the very least she could get stepped on. And to stand there filming and not even go to her when it happened, I mean really? Really?
That camera operator could well be my son in law’s doppleganger. The son in law thinks it’s fine for his kids to behave in exactly that manner. Because of his attitude, his kids don’t have the sense God gave a goose and they don’t listen to anything anyone says. He says I’m just being selfish when I won’t let his kids around my horses, and his wife won’t let them around hers. Our horses aren’t the gentlest, and could easily hurt someone. I just don’t want to see them get hurt. He says trips to the ER are just part of growing up. What happens when an ER doctor says one of them won’t be growing up?
The little girl in the video relies on her parents and other adults to teach her common sense. Looks like they failed miserably…
Maybe the taker of the video got in this brains queue:
I was hanging out at our barn before my lesson, happened to walk down the aisle and saw somebody in a stall.
A moment later, I realized there were two people. The father…and the helmetless toddler he had just put on the horse’s back!
Thank all the gods he picked the 30+ year old beginner trail horse to do this to…not the neurotic, spooky horse in the next stall, who WOULD have stepped on one or both of them.
Needless to say, both were escorted off the premises.
This reminds me of an incident when I was four years old, when I very nearly got myself nominated for a Darwin Award. We had two horses: a calm, elderly Quarter mare and a rather spooky Arabian gelding. Know what I did? I thought it would be a good idea to weave in and out between their legs. Yes, I was an INCREDIBLY stupid kid that didn’t know any better.
Want to know what my father did? He IMMEDIATELY got me out of the pasture and tanned my hide something fierce, then he put the fear of God into me. Which is what any sane parent would do. It worked, because I never did anything like it again.
Of course, they told me this happened, so I don’t remember it. XD
But yeah, it’s stories like this, plus the toddler that got kicked in the face at that show awhile back that makes me wonder when the fuck parents are going to get a goddamned clue that a one thousand pound animal with incredibly sharp hooves isn’t just an overgrown stuffed animal.
Boy, am I glad I’m never having children.
Are you kidding me with the “intentional” landing on the fetlock?? and noot a stumble???
hahaha
The horse slips on the front left hoof, and having his depth perception on the kid and not having his depth perception on the ground comes up short on the front right. We people do this action when our depth perception is locked somewhere other than our foot landing. And he is “clearly” focused on her, not the foot landing.
A horse NEVER wants to land his weight on the fetlock turned under, knees yes, fetlock NO! too much weight to be bearing on the fetlock.
This was stressful to watch as a mom of a 9-month old. I couldn’t imagine ever allowing my precious kid in a field of horses running at liberty at that age. They are incredible animals and I can imagine that little girl feeling like she’s in heaven running amongst them, but for gods sake-you need to parent them before they learn common sense. Also if this kid is riding horses already, the instructor is HUGELY responsible for teaching kids ground manners and basic horsey etiquette. I think at this age its more important to teach basics on the ground before a kid climbs into the saddle. Hope she wasn’t scared off horses for good. Well done to the little mare for being the only smart mammal in the field.
I dont have children (yet) but as someone who wants them, I was afraid to watch the video at first… it wasnt nearly as bad as I thought it was going to be. I was invisioning a strike out with the front legs, a rear on top of her, or worse yet, a kick or a buck in her direction that made contact. And what sort of gets me the most is that that girl SHOULD have felt she was in heaven – but she clearing was upset about something. Like seriously what was she upset about? I cant tell why she’s scolding the horse. It almost looks like a 4 year old’s version of Natural Horsemanship. I can almost imagine that her idiot parents told her to go out there and try to “make the horse go away” or something, it looked like she had a plan and it wasnt working – but wtf was the plan? What was she prompted to do?! Im just rambling now but at least we know your child will be taught some basic ground rule respect when they are old enough
Craigslist makes me lol, “I am willing to board horses, but only if you do not mind your mares being bred by my stallion.” WTF then why not buy a set of fencing and separate the boarders from your stallion?
http://duluth.craigslist.org/grd/1643381232.html
Assuming a man wrote this than I think that is the funniest craigslist ever! It sounds like he is looking to score some action for his stallion! “He loves his ladies.” I bet he is really proud of his horsey’s large “manhood” too! (If the author of this craigslist ad is a woman than this is just sad!).
here’s the stallion.
http://duluthsuperior.kijiji.com/animal-services/meadowlands/apha-stud-up-for-service/?ad=1688835
Seriously. Seriously.
I wonder who is expected to pay the vet bills there. I’m sure the stallion is a reeealll winner.
I’ve flagged it for Best of Craigslist. Unbelievable. I’m guessing the stallion keeper is of the same ilk as those guys who rant on the Pets forum about why every dog should be allowed to keep his balls. Talk about projection
Well, I haven’t read the responses yet. I was actually shaking my head, because I came here to post This for your consideration:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypaD3eVZKps
Otherwise known as “I don’t know how to handle or train a horse, and I can’t see a train wreck coming from six inches away”
And because you know it’s always this way, HERE is the accompanying CL ad:
http://fortwayne.craigslist.org/grd/1643288193.html
As for your posted video, I saw a child who NEVER should have been allowed around horses without proper training (Running at its rear, shouting, flapping her arms, invading its space without checking its body language). I’d guess from the horse’s actions that she’s probably fine unless he stepped on her by accident. Her parents are lucky– My son at about age 3 or 4 was attacked by a mare I had recently purchased.
In my defense, the rule is clear at our house– children don’t belong in a horse paddock without direct supervision. My son and I together were in the paddock with a friend. He asked permission to leave the paddock, so I sent him to the gate, about 20 feet away. The mare standing next to me walked toward the water trough, then turned and attacked him with mouth open and both front feet. I shudder to think what would have happened if I hadn’t been close enough to intervene, or if she hadn’t been stupid enough to believe my bluff when I attacked her. Me and my very destroyed fly spray bottle were all that kept her from finishing off my son. Unlike the horse in your video, she meant business, and I’m convinced she had planned it out before she ever headed for the water. Needless to say in that case, the mare was gone within hours.
In the case of your video, I see clear evidence that an adult was aware of a child’s actions around large animals. No corrections were given to the child by the video taker, or by anyone else. No one stepped in to assure safety. I’d report it to child services if I knew who it was. I’d also give the horse a different home, without children. Some horses just aren’t meant to be around small annoying creatures.
Ok, this scared me a bit: http://ottawa.kijiji.ca/c-pets-livestock-for-sale-LOOKING-FOR-LAME-FARM-ANIMALS-Making-my-own-dog-food-W0QQAdIdZ191780754 (BTW, the capitalization in the ad are HIS, I didn’t change anything!)
Will Pick Up!!!
Looking for LAME FARM ANIMALS, Making my own dog food for large yard of hounds,
Looking for Young, Old, or Unwanted, Lame Animals:
(either from fence accidents to shipping accidents to just old age, )
(Need Live, or Freshly Dead )
Horses, Goats, Sheep, Cattle, Chickens, Old layers, Crippled meat birds, Lamas, Pigs, Rabbits,
OMG, can you imagine??? How is he killing them? Ok, just looking at this again, I decided to report it to Kijiji for possible law enforcement intervention. I understand people shoot their animals on the farm all the time, but advertising to get live animals… it just seems *something* must be wrong here. Am I crazy??
I don’t believe there is a chance in hell that it slipped – We all know that most horses would let fly or canter right over someone once they’re THAT irritated. That horse showed remakable restraint. It was clearly exasperated and went through a number of manouvers to get rid of the “pest” without resorting to hooves.
In my opinion this one actually did a little calculating, as in “Crap! I know shouldn’t beat on young mammals, but Jay-sus…!”.) and went low to belt the kid away but avoid getting her under its hooves.
I kind of like this horse. My take is this is probably a very bright animal (I’m going to say a gelding
) that takes no crap but would be very diligent about trying to do all the right things for a decent handler.
The child is very lucky this horse was as laid back as it was, even if the “slip” was unintentional. It was speaking to her the entire time but the “videographer” was clueless. Even with all my years of experience, I always take a breath and have higher alert when going into a herd in pasture. I’ve been between crowded horses that didn’t like each other, VERY DANGEROUS!! Coming into the pasture with a big handful of green grass. Every thing can change in an instant. I was glad to know before watching this vid that the child was okay. And thank you to all the horses that tolerated me at this age.
I know nothing about horses, but even someone who’s pretty much equine illiterate can see that the animal was getting seriously pissed off. I used to do some stupid things around animals when I was a kid, with the difference being that if my parents saw it, they would not be filming my antics; I would instead discover that I had an appointment with my father’s leather belt that I didn’t even know was booked.
As the proud parent of a three and a half year old daughter that knows better than to go within 10 foot of a fence without someone there, people should be fixed before they procreate. I haven’t even got up the nerve to put my daughter on a horse supervised let alone let her in the pasture with them!
NSFV. The horse could have done this. As could the draft horse who grabbed the girl by the hair. Both horses chose not to. Lucky for the humans involved.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPyA60lQDR4
Sorry, I posted this “inside” a reply. It’s buried in the comments.