Some, er, LOTS of things never change!
Feb 18 2010
As the old saying goes, a leopard does not change its spots. Â We see this all the time in the horse world. Â People who neglect horses don’t typically reform their evil ways. Â They just swerve punishment for them however they can, usually by moving to a new place, or just laying low for a while, and then they return to doing the same old crap that got them featured on the Fugly blog and/or prosecuted the first time.
You have probably already guessed that this post contains an update on Dean Solomon.  Yes, Dean simply cannot stay out of trouble with Animal Control. New cruelty charges were filed against her and accomplice Nancy Pacey in January.  I wonder if they’ve caught Nancy yet — she failed to appear and they had to put a warrant out for her!  You can download the details here.  I know some of you locals think A.C. has been asleep at the switch when it comes to Dean, but really, they’ve been watching her this whole time and her refusal to obey the order that does not allow her to own horses has been duly noted.  Pats on the back to KCAC!
Now, remember the moron who was trying to argue she had a tobiano purebred Arabian? Â She didn’t, BTW. Â She has often come up in the comments as a classic example of virtually everything we hate about BYB’ers — the horses are low quality, it’s all about color, not a one of them has accomplished anything more complicated than pooping and walking at the same time, and now for the final but not surprising nail in the coffin, I have proof they’re living in crappy conditions and she won’t pay her bills. Â Yes, Shatormar Arabians‘ Tory Morgan has shown herself to be the epitome of a piece of shit backyard breeder — not only is she not paying board to the 80+ year old man currently housing her 30+ neglected horses on his property, but the bee-yotch owes him for three grand of hay as well! Â Poor old guy does not know how to get rid of her and everybody feels sorry for the horses.
Tory’s got 34 head of horses out there, plus a dozen or so foals on the ground, and every mare is bred back. There are studs just running loose with the mares, eight foals in a 40×40 paddock and eight 2/3-year-olds in a 20×30, and the six or so yearlings in a part of the dairy barn that is 
about 8×30 .Of course, Tory, like all pieces of shit like her, knew exactly where to locate her Pinto Puppymill — in a county that doesn’t have an Animal Control. Â And – are you ready for it? – Guess how Miss Tory supports herself? Â Wait for it – YES, she is on DISABILITY! Your tax dollars at work, funding her pinto puppymill! Â I don’t know WTF is supposed to be wrong with her, since I’m fairly sure Irresponsible and Lazy aren’t disabilities (yet) but what a crock of crap.
From the person who reported her:  ”The turd of a woman has No Trespassing, No Pictures, No Video posted EVERYWHERE. NO WATER ANYWHERE!!!!”  Yeah.  How’d that no pictures and no video thing work for you, Tory?  NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU SAY.  Since I know legal threats are forthcoming, may I suggest you pay up your board and hay bill before attempting to retain an attorney?  They aren’t as easy to avoid paying as the senior citizen that you are victimizing.
I just can’t get over the classy facilities. It’s like an obstacle course for those poor horses – a dairy barn full of old equipment, ladders on the ground, barbed wire, etc. Â And her web site says they hope to be moving to a new farm in 2010. Â I hope they think about paying the poor old man they’ve been scamming, but I won’t hold my breath! Â By the way, Tory, love the browband in your stallion’s eyes. Â It’s amazing how you’re healthy enough to ride, reproduce and breed horses yet somehow unable to work. Â What, do you have an allergy to gainful employment?
Yes, this is being reported and yes, I will let you know what happens!
All right, moving on…while we’re talking about wastes of oxygen, you may remember one of the worst scammers to ever suck money out of the ABR board, Catherine Petersen. Â My original blog on here is here: Â http://www.fuglyblog.com/2008/im-afraid-to-call-myself-a-rescuer-anymore/. Â I just got an update that she goes to trial in June. She is still in jail in Kentucky so the horse world is safe (for now). Â Sounds like she may plead her way down to 3-5 years of prison but the good news is that there are warrants out for her in four other states, so her legal troubles are far from over.
I don’t believe I’ve discussed her on the blog before, but Terry Lynn Sullivan from Staunton, Virginia is a repeat offender in real life…this woman is just a nightmare. Â Here is a recent news story on Terry: Â http://www.nbc29.com/Global/story.asp?S=11979006. Â Another: Â http://www2.newsvirginian.com/wnv/news/local/staunton/article/horses_recuperating/52338/
From the story, “Officers seized 19 Sullivan horses back in 1996, leading to her first conviction of animal cruelty. Another of her horses was found dead in April 2008. That summer she was again convicted, An Augusta County judge barred Terry Lynn Sullivan from owning horses for two years. Her attorney appealed that ruling, and now awaits a decision from a higher court.” Â OK, folks, HERE IS HER PICTURE. Â STOP GIVING HER HORSES!!! Â She is getting them from somewhere. Â STOP! Â Terry uses the business name Shaner Lane Farm. Â She also had (OF COURSE!) a “rescue” called the Fern Leigh Equine Foundation. Â I’ve said it before but I need to say it again: Â a 501(c)3 is not any kind of proof that you are a decent animal caretaker. None at all. It only means you are good at paperwork or hired someone who is. Â Read this description of Sullivan letting a mare lay in her field and die and then claim it would not get up because it was “stubborn.” Â That poor Brigette Berbes woman has been knocking herself out for years trying to put this bitch in a cell. Â I’ll bet somewhere on the Internet, some asshat is talking about how Brigette is a meanie and is harassing poor old Terry. Â Brigette, the Fugly blog would like to give you a medal! Â Thank you for your persistence, heaven knows these horses would be dead without it.
Oh, and approximately three people a week e-mail me in horror about the Bedonna chick. Â I know, I know. Â She has twelve stallions at stud. Â Some are nice – I sure wouldn’t kick Our Cash Policy out of the barn – but some are not – Go To Moons has got to have one of the ugliest necks I have ever seen on a QH stallion. Â She’s expecting approximately one kajillion 2010 foals.
She isn’t going to stop breeding. Â She’s been doing this forever. Â She was on the blog in October 2007 – she was the dimwit who had to immediately sell 130 horses due to being pregnant. Â WTF? Â She’s like that person who keeps driving drunk, again and again — she just doesn’t care how her actions affect others. Â The only big picture she understands is the velvet Elvis hanging over the couch. Â The concept of responsible breeding and reducing the supply so that the demand will perk up is as baffling as quantum physics to her. Â She doesn’t get it and never will. Â She only cares that you pay her, or she’ll out you for that on her web site. Â Well, Bedonna, I’m outing you for breeding way too damn many mostly unspectacular Quarter Horses on my web site…yet again.
Now, as to the Alexis Ingraham story (certainly a case of things that don’t change since the stories go back ten years with her!) – NickerNews is updating and covering it comprehensively, so head on over there to see what is going on and get a lot more information. Â They are doing a great job with their coverage of this. Â I doubt the authorities are going to be able to let this one slide! Â Also check out their other thread about the Searsport horses and particularly the comment of Kathy Carpenter, who explains EXACTLY how to get the attention of your legislators (and she is dead on-target with her advice). Â You also must read the complaint submitted to animal control on Alexis’ farm – extremely well written and horrifying account. Â The story about the foal that was down is truly disturbing…it even was for me and I’m pretty jaded by now. Â Alexis MUST be stopped and MUST be banned from owning horses. Â If you’re in Maine, please do not give up until this happens. Â She’s your Dean Solomon, and she won’t stop until law enforcement makes her stop.
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I am, of course, not defending Tory Morgan, but I do want to speak up about the whole “disability” thing. As soon as I saw that she was on disability, I cringed – I knew what would be coming: “How can you be disabled if you can ride horses?”(There are lots of explanations. Depression, for example, can qualify you for disability, if it prevents you from working. Preventing you from working isn’t the same as preventing you from doing ANYTHING.) It’s just not up to us to judge someone’s disability. We don’t get to decide whether that person who looks fit but has a handicapped sticker is faking it. The disabled person, her doctor and the government agency that decides whether or not she is eligible – they get to decide.
I know I’m stirring up a can of drama here, but many people deal with depression and still work. If your depression does not render you bed-ridden, I do not understand how it renders you unable to work. There are many kinds of work. There are transcription jobs to do from home if you are agoraphobic or have social anxiety, for example. If depression doesn’t stop you from doing the fun things you like to do, I don’t believe it stops you from doing the un-fun things you don’t like to do. I know this is all politically incorrect, but it’s my opinion. If you’re curled in a ball crying or catatonic from depression or other anxieties, hell yes, you should be on disability. But many of these people ARE milking the system.
As someone who has struggled with depression most of my life, I completely agree. Not only are there jobs that people with social disorders can perform, most doctors and therapists will tell you that having a job can help people with depression and social disorders. It gives them a greater sense of self-worth. Don’t get me wrong, I know how crippling it can be, but even if Tory Morgan can’t seem to hold down a job, there’s no excuse for neglecting her animals.
Exactly – doesn’t it help most people to get out of the house and not sit with their thoughts all day? Again, of course there are exceptions. But in most cases, having to focus on something other than yourself is a good thing.
I’m with you. I get so sick of people whining about their disabilities instead of doing something about it. People in wheelchairs work. Little people work. People with all kinds of handicaps work. For Christ’s sake, there are children with Down’s Syndrome bagging your groceries and paying taxes so these fucktards can sit on their ass and collect their disability check because ***Wah Wah*** they are depressed. I know there are people who truly need disability, but they are few and far between. The rest of these assholes are just lazy self-entitlement junkies.
And another thing. If you feel good enough, physically or mentally, to haul your ass out of bed in the morning (or afternoon) and go throw a saddle on a horse and have someone take a picture of you sitting in the saddle with a big ole grin on your face-YOU CAN F*CKING WORK! There is a job SOMEWHERE doing SOMETHING that you can handle.
If you are healthy enough physically and mentally to open a horse rescue and take on the care of multiple large animals then you can haul your ass down the street to another stable that is hiring and do the same exact work for a paycheck. If you AREN’T healthy enough to do barn work then you have no business trying to run a rescue, unless you are independantly wealthy and can afford to hire quality help, which obviously these people aren’t because they are sitting on their asses collecting a disability check and letting their horses suffer.
I am f*cking sick of my tax money going to these assholes in the form of disability to support animal abusers. In my not-so-humble opinion that money is to support them because they can’t work…not to support expensive animals they can’t afford and especially not to breed more animals. It reminds me of welfare moms popping out kids for a bigger check and supporting their meth-head boyfriends. They are all of the same ilk, and the animals and children suffer for their stupidity.
I’m sure I’ll get my ass chewed for my opinion, but it is my opinion and won’t change. And I guaran-damn-tee you if I found myself in a position where I couldn’t work and had to collect a check, the first thing I would do is find homes for my horses until I got the education and training I needed to get a job I could handle.
Sorry about the big rant, but animal abuse/neglect committed by someone crying disability who probably shouldn’t have the animals to start with really sticks in my craw. I’ll get off my soapbox now…
Like I say, I know it’s not p.c. but for the most part I’m in agreement with you. Are there exceptions? OF COURSE! And those exceptions are the ones who should be the ANGRIEST about all the fraud because it is taking $$ out of YOUR pocket for services that YOU deserve.
Gee, a lot of hatred here for people with disabilities. (And yes, hatred is an appropriate word given the strength of language being used). I’m sure people milk the system and this useless woman would be one of them. It’s impossible to build a system without some people working out how to rip it off. But there is such a thing as invisible disabilities that aren’t so obvious. I suggest that before you write your opinion about such stuff, you educate yourself. Just as you would expect people to educate themselves about horses before they write authoritatively about the subject. Otherwise, opinion are just like arseholes. Every one has one.
I’ve always said that this is an opinion blog – NOT in ANY WAY an expert resource. Therefore, my opinions – and everybody else’s – are just that.
No, FINE, you are completely missing the point here. What these posters are saying is that they are sick and tired of people claiming to have “disabilities” thus milking the system. Guess who pays for these disabilities – us hard working taxpayers. I have absolutely no problem with my tax dollars going to help someone who really is disabled, but if someone claims to be disabled they should not be hoarding horses. Try reading the comments in the proper context, there is no “disability hatred” being spewed here, only good common sense.
That`s my opinion.
That echoes my opinion. It is exactly like wanting my charity dollars to go to good horse rescues that help horses, not scammers that use the money for themselves.
Wait, who are you replying to?
… and I managed to hit the wrong reply button too. That’s nearly as embarrassing as chiding someone for ‘poor speling’. I’m shutting up now…
Exactly, can’t even describe how pissed off it makes me to see someone collect disability because they are, are you ready for this…..a heroin addict. Ms. Morgan needs to be reported to Senior Service taking advantage of a senior for monetary purposes is Senior Abuse.
I had the same thought. I would like to see a good Elder Abuse attorney get their hands on this case.
In defense (and support) of those chewing the rope concerning people on disability I can say that I know there are sooo many people out there defrauding the system. I worked in a field that put me in direct contact with those very people. But they felt confident that I supported (morally speaking) their disability. I provided a service for those who needed genuine help but saw many more who used and abused the help offered, yet given without question. It used to make my blood curdle when I would arrive at people’s homes to find 1) they did not live alone. 2) had more than one newer car than I myself drove in their driveway (one was a new Charger with temp tags and this woman actually pulled the keys out of her purse to move it) 3) could do just about anything I could except maybe walk a mile without dropping dead from exhaustion because they were too damn fat and did absolutely nothing to help themselves 4) lived their lives like I shouldn’t care if they slept all day or watched the soaps (yes, they would ask me if I watched soap operas. Shit NO! I’m driving your fat ass around to appointments you don’t really need! I work a 60+ hour work week, when do you suppose I get to relax and have fun??? (duh!)
In retrospect, I saw many people , fewer than those types I just spoke about that were genuine with their disabilities and showed admiration and appreciation for the help that was provided.
So I know it doesn’t just go on here, but every corner of this country and it’s costing us all more money than we have to provide. It will become one of the downfalls of this country. Mark my word, unless someone steps in and makes some serious changes.
I am sick and tired of the boo-hoo society we have created. Toughen up people, life is not a sweet free ride. And if you do get disability, then live the life of someone who is DISABLED!
I’m done now~ back to horses, please.
I find this sort of thing very frustrating. People like her are not only abusing the system, they are making obtaining disabiity more difficult for people who legitimately need it.
My dad is a great example- he’s got rheumatoid arthritis so severe that he had to retire early. Manual labor is nearly impossible for him, and even sitting in a desk chair all day causes him problems. He’s pretty well miserable all the time, and the drugs he’s had to start taking also interfere with his ability to work. He’s getting progressively worse, there is no happy ending awaiting him, or our family. His drugs alone are thousands of dollars a month.
It’s been more than 6 months since he applied for disability, he’s heard nothing, and he did it the right way- he had the full support of a doctor who almost never endorses disability claims, and he got a lawyer to begin with. And still, they tell him to expect to be denied, and have to contest it, and for the whole process to take at least 2 years.
And here this woman sits, fat, happy, and by all outward appearances healthy enough, collecting a disability check and starving her horses to death. It makes me sick.
I don’t mind the thought that a person on disability might own a horse, or ride a horse, if they are physically able. But 30 horses? Maybe her disability is the variant of obsessive-compulsive disorder that causes people to become hoarders…
Wow. Sorry about your dad, that is so sad. Rheumatiod arthritis really is an awful thing to live with and truly is a disability. It is sad that he would be declined the help he needs when so many who are undeserving seem to have no problem getting it.
Yep same for my dad, had to retire early with Pulmonary Fibrosis. He was told the exact same thing.
I wasn’t referring to this specific case. I think she most probably is a scam artist, abusing the system. I’m referring to the generalisations which people are extrapolating from this one case.
I’ve used the word hatred quite deliberately because of quotes such as this: “I know there are people who truly need disability, but they are few and far between. The rest of these assholes are just lazy self-entitlement junkies.”
This quote is not referring to a minority of people who abuse the system. This refers to the huge majority (i.e people with ‘real’ disabilities are ‘few and between’. Most people on disability pensions are ‘lazy, self-entitlement junkies’) of people who are on disability pensions. Where’s the evidence for that? It’s pure ignorance, dripping in vitriol.
Read this thread. How is it that so many people know of people milking the system if it’s so damn rare? That doesn’t make sense.
I used to work for an actress who was on a cult hit type of TV show. We went through hell trying to get rid of this crazy-ass person who was stalking her. This person flew all over the U.S. and Canada following her. ON FULL DISABILITY. Damn, take the checks away already and at least keep them home where all they can do is post crazy stuff online!
I know three moochers within a block of each other and all of them subsidize their income working manual labor on the side. You’ve got to wonder how someone can toss heavy bales of hay around with a bad back. Not so rare I’d say.
I worked with a woman whose schizophrenic sister-in-law was convinced that she was Stephen Sondheim’s wife.
She’d save up all her change & buy bus tickets to NYC and show up at his apartment.
The downside of living in a free country is that it’s really hard to confine some folks who need confinin’.
On the flip side of “disability moochers,” there WAS a point in my life that my Crohn’s was so bad, my doctor offered to help me get disability. It would’ve made my life a lot easier than trying to drag myself to work every day, stopping at a couple of gas stations along the way, but I wasn’t willing to go there.
But if I had, I would’ve tried to supplement my income under the table, sure. And I’ve seen some pretty sick people accomplish amazing physical things, on their GOOD days. On their bad days, forget it. They definitely can NOT work.
FreedomTreeless wrote: It’s been more than 6 months since he applied for disability, he’s heard nothing, and he did it the right way- he had the full support of a doctor who almost never endorses disability claims, and he got a lawyer to begin with. And still, they tell him to expect to be denied, and have to contest it, and for the whole process to take at least 2 years.
I am so sorry to hear this. Sadly, your father’s experience is very typical of applying for SSI. The only people I have ever heard of who were qualified without multiple denials were people who had things like quadraplegia, massive burns, etc.
One thing that can really help is to start approaching the US Representative and US Senators whose districts he lives in. I believe they are all online and at least mine have a website where one can initiate the process for asking for help online.
If he chooses to take this route, once he has gotten in contact with his Representative and Senators, it helps to ask all his family and friends to POLITELY contact those politicians via telephone or email and say something along the lines of “I am concerned about the situation that my (father or brother or friend or former employee or whatever) is in. His name is (full legal name) and he lives in your district. He is disabled and has applied for SSI but has been denied. The stress of dealing with this denial is adversely affecting his (physical, emotional or mental well being–whichever applies). Can you help him with his case?”
It is very important to be polite and businesslike!
I have seen this work seeming miracles with the Social Services Administration when years of filing and appealing and appealing the appeals have failed repeatedly.
(Affecting Yoda voice) To stopthesoringTWHgirl, you listen!
Hear hear! You won’t get no ass-chewing from me…you said everything i wanted to say.
“And another thing. If you feel good enough, physically or mentally, to haul your ass out of bed in the morning (or afternoon) and go throw a saddle on a horse and have someone take a picture of you sitting in the saddle with a big ole grin on your face-YOU CAN F*CKING WORK! There is a job SOMEWHERE doing SOMETHING that you can handle.”
I used to think so too, until my autism (which I was born with) resulted in me losing the only real job I ever got (pushing light weight packages at FedEx) due to the meltdowns I could have due to stress. It was dangerous for me, and I believe it would have been for others if I hadn’t left when I did. I also developed fibromyalgia working there. Both conditions rule out manual labor, and sitting at a desk is pretty difficult too. I tried answering phones, that didn’t work because of social issues. The only “job” I’ve ever succeeded at was art related freelance type stuff, which doesn’t make much money.
That’s all.
Forgot to mention, that obviously the person in today’s blog is in the wrong, having far too many horses, regardless of whether she’s disabled or not.
SnowFox102 wrote IRT dealing with autism: The only “job†I’ve ever succeeded at was art related freelance type stuff, which doesn’t make much money.
This reminds me a little of myself. When I was in my 40s, I had a middle ear infection that moved into the mastoid sinus. That and incompetent surgery left me with facial paralysis, deaf in that ear and with permanent balance problems due to nerve damage.
When they told me I would probably not regain any hearing in that ear, I was shallow and stupid. I said something about “well, that’s okay, luckily enough, I have a duplicate ear!”
I quickly learned that humans rely on having two ears. Yes, people can learn to compensate but it’s not easy. Being deaf in one ear means that I cannot localise sounds. Since that happened, I have been hit twice by car in parking lots because I couldn’t pick up on the warning sound of a car near me. If I sleep on my good ear, I cannot hear alarms, including fire alarms. Misplacing my phone means a long, difficult search because I can hear it but I can’t tell if the sound is coming from the room I’m in or the next room, from in front of, besides or behind me.
It sounds like something that wouldn’t be that difficult, suddenly losing hearing in one ear but it isn’t. It takes years for many adults, including me, to learn how to compensate for the loss. For life I’m at higher risk of injury in a variety of situations because of that loss.
I think that it is very common for people who do not have a disability to over-estimate just how easy it would be to compensate for it. And then to assume that anyone who is less than completely successful at compensating is a slacker.
My job makes me depressed. I can has gov’t handout instead?
LOL, right?
Do you know the #1 workers’ comp claim in offices? I was wondering why our premiums were so high and joked that we try to avoid papercuts. The agent was happy to tell me. STRESS. For fuck’s sake, WE ALL have stress. It’s stress, not cancer. Grow the fuck up. People are going to yell at you, people are going to expect more than you can do, customers are a pain, etc. That is life! “Stress” should NOT even BE something you can get workers’ comp for!
Thats pretty crazy. I’ve been stressed out before, but never to the point of total immobilization. I’m even a sufferer of migraines, but I still manage to drag myself into work every day.
Sweet Jesus! My life is pretty much one big damned stress event, and I’ve never made a f%$#@&* CENT as a result of THAT!
Yeah, my brother (who has Asperger’s Syndrome- mild autism) works retail at Target, and he get so frustrated by customers sometimes that he asks his boss if he can work without his red shirt on so he doesn’t have to deal with them (and he is allowed to, because they recognize his social problems).
For Christmas, I bought him t-shirt that says: “Customers are a symptom of a horrible disease called ‘Retail.’” Lol.
As an employer, it’s a lot harder to get hired after you have been on disability, because we are worried you may be a chronic filer and will drive up our premiums. You aren’t supposed to discriminate for this, and we do actually have a part-timer who is on disability (long-term) who has worked out great but lots of employers are concerned. If you are on disability and it is cancelled or runs out (maybe short-term or whatever) then the obvious worry is that you will turn around and file again based on something that occurred while working for me.
The usual scenario is some form of workers compensation claim followed by a disability claim. My premiums SKYROCKET, if my insurance isn’t cancelled altogether. We allow the strangest things sometimes, stress. Shoot, I should be on disability, try owning your own business…talk about stressful. Jeeze.
As far as the rest of the whole disability/government handout debate – I consider this the price of being part of society. I would rather pay twenty boneheads than not pay someone who needs it. I know that you are all going to freak out at this, and that’s fine, but it gets old, and it doesn’t sound very well-reasoned to me (not that I don’t think people shouldn’t be responsible, but it is easy to get tossed in the *whackadoo* pile if you just have a few stock phrases and sweeping generalities).
I’m not trying to start a flame war, honest, but the whole “my tax dollars” thing is well and good, and I do get frustrated at the lack of personal responsibility sometimes, but as a society we seem to have decided to provide something or some folks would just steal what they needed, how is that better?
It seems like specific instances and careful analysis would do better than blanket statements. I agree that *this woman* seems to be not physically disabled, but maybe she was a mathematician and rode without a helmet, and is brain damaged now. Our disability insurance only lasts until you get retrained for something you are capable of performing, so maybe she is on a waiting list for the Starbucks Barista Academy. Very soon, she will be making your morning frappucino. Don’t tip, she doesn’t deserve it.
And yes, I turn people in who ask me to work under the table because they some form of government handout that they don’t want to give up. I am cranky that way.
I can’t believe that anyone lives very well off the welfare/disability/ssa system that’s in place. How much do you get a month? A thousand dollars? Even twice that is less than the federal poverty level. Since we are all interested in a *very* expensive hobby, I assume we are all paying lots of tax and earning a healthy enough salary to support our passions. As a person who benefits pretty well from our capital society, I try to remember that not everyone can be a worker or else it would drive wages down. (it helps me not get pissy about these things)
I am willing to assume that this or any person doesn’t waste every nickel given to them, and even if they do, it’s theirs now and I much prefer he be drinking at home than roaming the streets or *shudder* driving home from a bar. I have too many other things to deal with than to stand around and judge every person who buys or does something I don’t agree with, I just assume they are blowing off steam just this once, it keeps my blood pressure down. I certainly don’t want to pay for the government watchdogs to follow them around and make sure it only goes to milk and cornflakes! Although, I guess that could be a good place to put some stimulus funds and employ the out-of-work instead of just paying them unemployment. We could give bonuses to people who earn back their cost. Maybe we’ve hit on something here. Worth more thought, perhaps.
All that preaching, and I still don’t think this chick should have these horses. I mean really. (see personal responsibility reference, above) how can anyone justify having starving animals on someone elses property, at someone elses expense – regardless of where the income is drawn from. That’s just plain ridiculous. Can’t this guy seize them for nonpayment or in lieu of payment, or whatever legalese is needed so he can sell them and clear out his property? These situations are so depressing, it should be a felony to do this to innocent animals, not to mention the elderly property owner.
Madchickenlittle ~ Your reply was the most sensible, in my opinion. Thanks for the well-rounded viewpoint on disability and our tax system in general . . . well put. :0)
I think the point that’s trying to be made is that if she’s on disability she should NOT be spending all of her government “pay check” on animals that she can’t really afford.
Y’know what, if you’re severely depressed and riding makes you feel better and you CAN AFFORD to have ONE horse, then go for it, by all means. Horses can definitely be therapeutic. But having OVER THIRTY horses is ridiculous when you’re on disability. Unfortunately horses are a LUXURY not a PRIVELEDGE as a lot of these abusers seem to think. No you are not entitled to have horses just because you want them.
I hope the old guy that’s keeping this women’s horses decides to seize them and sell them to recoup his money.
Just a question, isn’t is considered fraud that she’s on disability yet advertising her horses for sale…aka running a business on the side while collecting gov’t checks??
I would think so but I’m not an expert in it…I just think it’s probably fraud that she’s way more active than she admits to. They have disability investigators – very well paid ones – for a reason!
I work in social services and coordinate with Social Security Administration fairly regularly. People scam the system all the time. If someone gets a job where they earn a taxable paycheck, it gets flagged in ssa’s system pretty quickly. If they work under the table, ssa rarely knows about it. That’s what most of them do, get their check and then get a cash paying job so they earn double. I know some that are doing quite well for themselves. Assuming that this lady has not filed taxes on any earnings from her horses, how would they know? If anyone has time to notify ssa of her website, toll free is 1-800-772-1213 and pop in a movie because you might be on hold for a while. There are things that will get a person kicked off of ssi/ssd if they are found to be abusing it, have valuable assets (ie. a million horses??), have an active warrant that ssa finds out about, etc. Or if ssa decides they still need the money but are not managing it appropriately, they can order that the person have a payee representative who manages the money for them. The payee representative’s job is to make sure that all of the bills and necessities are paid first, then put a small amount in savings, and then give the rest to the person to do whatever. Unfortunately, ssa doesn’t do much to monitor how responsible the payee is and the person is allowed to pick anyone they want to be their payee, so it’s sort of pointless unless the person is on probation and their PO FORCES them to have a legitimate agency be their payee.
For the record, my top annoyances at where my tax dollars go:
*porn- I actually saw one of my clients on SSD leaving the video store with a bag full as I was driving past (just driving down the road, I swear I was not at the store!)
*booze, crack, etc. – same client mentioned above had porn in one hand and a six pack in the other
*hookers
*to feed the 8 children that belong to a person who spent all their drug dealing earnings on porn, booze, and hookers (and ironically they spent NONE of their money on CONDOMS!)
*and of course, stupid shit with animals
My husband and I have this theory that people on disability should be required to perform a specific number of volunteer work each month and submit proof in order to receive their disability check. Even if it’s a small amount. 4 hours a week even. EVERYONE can do SOMETHING. Even if all you can do is sit at home and make phone calls to notify a list of non-profit club members of upcoming events. Even if all you can do is wipe down countertops. Even if you can sit on an assembly line and snap two pieces of a plastic toy together. I think that if people had some accountability, that might be enough of a push for some of them to realize “I kinda like this, maybe I’ll volunteer 3 days a week instead of just 1″ and then “maybe I can get a job where I work 3 days a week instead of just volunteer” and so on. Unfortunately, a lot of people in my line of work encourage these people to apply for disability. I encourage it ONLY if I feel the person truly needs it, and then if they start to get better I encourage them to find a job and let ssa cut them off. Sorry for going off topic for so long! It’s a hot topic for me!
CC wrote: I think the point that’s trying to be made is that if she’s on disability she should NOT be spending all of her government “pay check†on animals that she can’t really afford.
My point would be that no one should have animals that they really can’t afford. It doesn’t matter what the source of their income is! If they can’t afford one horse, they shouldn’t have one horse. If they can afford 10 horses but not 12 horses, then they shouldn’t have 12 horses.
It has nothing to do with disability or disability income.
People here keep mentioning their concern about SSI fraud but I don’t see any concern about the problem of people who are qualified for SSI, who need the income but who do not apply or who are denied–which far outnumbers the people who are committing SSI fraud.
If you make enough to pay taxes, then you pay taxes, plain and simple. Disability is not affected much by other income. It’s something you earn (in credits) for working a job that pays disability taxes. SSI, on the other hand, varies depending on your other income. Neither disqualifies you from receiving SSD, which is a darn good thing considering SSD can be quite low, depending on how many credits you earned while you worked. People on SSD and SSI are encouraged to supplement themselves with work, and there are special rules and programs that help with it.
Also, there are no rules about what an SSD check can be spent on, though obviously those who actually worked hard to qualify will use it primarily for necessities.
I agree with your assessment of the disability issue, there are mental and physical issues that prevent people from holding a steady job (which, if I remember correctly is part of the requirement). However, I would like to say that If you are incapable of holding a steady job it is highly unlikely that you can assume the daily care of animals that require daily sustained care. This should not preclude animal ownership, rather you should have safeguards in place for the animal’s care (i.e. boarding or neighborhood 4H kid). I have a sister that is manic/depressive, she limits herself to cats.
(I use the ‘you’ pronoun as a general term not you, specifically.)
I mean, I just twisted the snot out of my ankle Tuesday night (and my horses didn’t even help, got hurt all on my own!)
I think my horses were very happy, I could only handle one feeding even with my 9 y/o son helping so they got fed a lot. If they weren’t on pasture and needed turnout or stall cleaning I’d be out of luck, there are two my son just can’t handle.
That is exactly what I’m thinking. I’m in the middle of an application for Disability. I can’t work, I get violently ill pretty much 4 days every week, complete with a high fever, vomiting, and feeling like I have the Flu. I feel that if I can’t have a job, I can’t give a horse the attention it deserves. There’s no way I could ride them often enough to give them good exercise, or give them the daily care that a good owner will give. It’s sad, as I grew up with horses and have always loved them, but unfortunately I just can’t have one anymore. I limit myself to the animals I can care for myself, and even then I only have a cat, dog, and hermit crabs. I also have a failsafe in my husband. There are days were I can’t even walk the dog. It would be a crime for me to have animals that I can’t provide for. I don’t know how people can live with themselves if they allow their animals to suffer. I also think it’s a shame that tax dollars that could be used to help another person are being used for such a luxury, and a mistreated luxury at that.
Oops, I meant at least 4 days a week, and the rest of the days I feel as if I’m in the midst of a very bad flu. I’m never not in pain, have a huge limp, my legs collapse out from under me, my hands start shaking so bad I can’t type, and I speak in garbled language. It’s not fun, but it’s my life and I just want to be able to survive until I get a diagnosis and the meds to made me semi-normal. I would LOVE to be able to work an function like I used to.
See, what you described is an extremely valid case of true disability. It sucks – I hope you improve soon!
Thanks. I hope so too. It’s pretty miserable. I am a shut-in because I can’t reliably make plans. I think that’s where I consider someone disabled. If you’re too sick to work, and are too sick to do the fun things, then something is wrong. Some days my entire goal for the day is to brush my hair, teeth, and get to the living room. On my really bad days it takes all I’ve got to go from my bed in the master bedroom to the master bath. Ten feet and it’s a huge accomplishment. The worst part is that I used to be a huge go getter. I did everything I could, I wanted to live life to the fullest. Now I live vicariously through the internet. I just want to feel like I’m not a burden on my husband.
Sorry for the rant. I just feel very strongly about the frauds, and the people that make it hard for me to get what I need. People who need the money shouldn’t have to suffer because of all the frauds out there. Whether or not they get disability, their application and investigations cost those who truly need it.
I’m one of those folks who suffer from chronic depression and severe mood disorders. I have never stopped working, even when I was suicidal. I worked my ass off with every medical resource available to me (now, I am a Canadian, so this assistance did not bankrupt me), and I am very proud to report that I am finally well, after struggling with my bad wiring after 35 years.
I believe strongly in personal responsibility. I work in Human Resources and I see many, many, MANY cases of people milking the system dry. It is truly sickening. I think that in this context it is reasonable to assume that her disability is contributing to her behaviour. The real crime is that unless there are family, friends, or coworkers willing to intervene and support this trainwreck, it is unlikely anything will change for the good. “The System” is not well equipped, nor, seemingly, willing to address the linkages with mental illness and criminal behaviour. We don’t throw people in asylums anymore, but maybe we should (nice, clean, caring, effective asylums, that is.)
There are two horses on a busy highway in my area who never seem to have enough to eat. I have called the SPCA on numerous occasions, and so have others on a regular basis. When I called on Tuesday of this week I said, “Hi. I’m calling about two horses that never seem to have enough to eat.” The inspector said, “Let me guess. They’re on Highway 2.” Sure enough. This jerkoff is a known problem for only two horses and the SPCA can’t do too much about it. He has hay, he just keeps the round bale 6 feet from the fence & unwraps a bit at a time. It’s so sad to see the skinny, eternally pregnant mare leaning over the fence, staring bleakly at the bale just out of her reach. This is just two horses. I can’t fathom anyone letting this go on for a massive herd.
Sigh…
Kudos to you for fighting against it rather than giving in. I also strongly suspect the reason you are still here with us today is that attitude that made you keep getting up and going to work – and I’m sure it didn’t hurt having animals that depended upon you!
I got back into horses BECAUSE of my ongoing battle with depression. Horse are very therapeutic, and when I’m at the barn, I always feel happy and calm. And knowing that they count on my to pay the board and take care of them is certainly helps to motivate my ass to get out of bed and go to work! After work, knowing those horses count on me helps to keep me from moping around the house with “nothing to do”.
Yup, I hear you. I’ve known someone who looked normal and healthy – as long as they stayed home and didn’t try to do anything. As soon as they tried to be on their feet for a day, or be in public for a few hours, or anything else that required energy, their condition would flare up and they’d be sick in bed for a week. (Glad to say they’re improving and working part time now, and are financially okay without taking disability. It doesn’t work out that way for everyone.) Plus there are many people with similar problems who have good days and bad ones – just because they can spend four hours at the stable today doesn’t mean that they can get out of bed tomorrow.
There’s some scientific and lots of anecdotal evidence that having an animal is helpful for many disabled and chronically ill people, because it forces at least some daily activity (even if it’s just walking to the kitchen to fill the food bowl), and gives excellent emotional support. I don’t think anyone here is going to get upset with someone who’s on disability and owns a few animals that are kept in good condition, Cathy least of all. This ‘lady’ is being featured because she has a very large number of animals, isn’t providing good care, is making more of them as fast as she can, and appears to be abusing an elderly man to do so. The fact that she’s using taxpayer money to fund this train wreck is just adding insult to injury, and fits her even deeper into the abusive scamming dirtbag niche.
As far as people on disability having animals, I’m all for that, but not large animals. Cats and small dogs, fine. Birds and hamsters, fine. But horses are expensive!!! Of all the people I’ve worked with on disability, I think the highest amount any of them ever got was $1300/mo. Most range between $700 and $1000/mo. How are they going to cover rent, utilities, and board on that, much less all the little extras here and there, and heaven forbid the horse needs colic surgery! I’d say, get themselves an adorable kitten or bird and go find a free lease on a horse! There’s no rule that they have to OWN a horse to enjoy one. I knew a girl who was a working student at a VERY nice and well known stables on the east coast and she had never owned a horse in her life, but she spent all day long riding horses that were of the highest quality and taking lessons from the owner who is an international competitor.
You are absolutely right about the “barely visible” disabilities. The system is set up as an either/or concept. Either you’re so disabled that you can’t work 40hrs/wk, or you’re fine and you can work 40hrs/wk. There are people who can manage 15-25hrs/wk but if they go over that, it either severely increases pain associated with their physical disability or severely increases symptoms associated with their mental disability. And let’s face it, if you can’t hack it at 40hrs a week then you’re just not going to earn enough to support yourself, unless at one point in your life you were not disabled and were able to get an education in something that pays very, very well.
[i]just because they can spend four hours at the stable today doesn’t mean that they can get out of bed tomorrow.[/i]
If that is the case, then these people should not own a horse. There are many options for them to get their horsey high, leasing one and leaving it at a full care stable or voluneteering at a rescue or barn are two options. I think the point that Fugly was trying to make is a person that is so disabled they can’t work is not in a good place to take care of a large herd of horses. That is a lot of work itself! If they’re well enough to handle a large herd, then they should be able to get a JOB at a barn, stable, rescue, petting zoo, or somewhere.
I’m sorry, but suck it up. If you are depressed get help, get on medication, do something about it. Don’t sit at home and collect money from my hard earned dollars taken by force courtesy of the government to pay for your lifestyle. If you don’t have a job and you’re only source of income is welfare or disability you BETTER not be riding or owning horses. Horses are expensive and are a luxury, not a right.
It must be nice, I’d love to collect disability and go ride all day. That would perk up my mood too.
I understand there are gobs of people who are genuinely depressed, but sitting at home and sulking isn’t the answer. Depressed people need to be proactive to find a way to cope and handle their depression. Having a job might actually help. There are also untold numbers of people who are not truly disabled and are committing fraud by collecting disability checks.
Honestly, I think a lot of people are just wimps. My back hurts every day. You know why? Because I’m over 40 and have beaten the hell out of my body riding horses! Most people have some aches and pains by my age. They have more if they are dragging around a hundred or more extra pounds. That is not being mean, that is a simple fact any physician will agree with.
I don’t sit there and say, gee, I can’t be at work because my back hurts when I’m sitting in this chair and it doesn’t hurt when I lie down, therefore I should get to lie down all day. I take a couple of Advil and life goes on.
If I think about it, right now the left side of my back and my right hip hurt, and I have low-grade pain across the base of my neck. I’m just used to it. Aren’t most people?
yea, and I wake up every friggin day with pain because I need a new mattress and cannot afford one. I’m nearly crippled for a few hours because of it but I go to work for my measly degenerate pay because there is no other opportunity. If it wouldn’t be for this crappy job I would lay around and woe-be-me myself to death. Sure, I’m depressed. Who isn’t when you see train wrecks like this corrupting our system as we speak. But why should anyone else pay for my state of mind?? Or even for my new mattress (which is on order right now). I think if you suffer from depression (and I had been diagnosed clinically depressed years ago) and have a doctor verify it to you, that is the first step towards SELF HELP! Animals are therapeutic and do help people get out of their rut. But for Christ’s sake, help your self to a better quality of life. But don’t let others, animals or people suffer at your expense. I live where it seems every other human being is collecting some kind of government money. How lowly is that? But I don’t see any of them trying to get out of that system. It’s a free ride to them. Hell, they have nothing to worry about but themselves, and that is all they do.
Sorry for this (sorta) off topic rant but it sure is a sore spot for me.
Exactly. I’d rather see some hand-outs to people who are struggling along because it’s the right thing to do and keep on going to work and fighting through their disabilities. I want to see rewards for GOOD BEHAVIOR!
I know who Tory Morgan is. I was a witness against her in PA court, several years ago. This isn’t the first time she’s rented off an elderly person and then handled things badly. I am SO sorry to see all those horses there.
I can’t say what’s going on *now* but when she was in court she claimed to be a retired “vet tech”. The lawyer repeatedly asked her what she retired to and she had no answer. Her mother is a liar and I don’t say these things lightly, the woman bald faced lied in court. I hope and pray someone is able to help those horses. Recently there were several write ups on a horse list because someone in Mercer county (allegedly) drug her blind horse behind a 4 wheeler and it died. I never heard any more about that if it was true or not, but Tory was accepting donations to help the investigation. (!?!?!)
FHOTD owner- I enjoy your website! Been reading it for quite awhile now. God Bless you for your efforts!
svf8525 wrote: We don’t get to decide whether that person who looks fit but has a handicapped sticker is faking it. The disabled person, her doctor and the government agency that decides whether or not she is eligible – they get to decide.
Thank you for pointing this out.
There are invisible disabilities that really do prevent someone from working. For instance, there are forms of blindness where the centre of the visual field is blocked out, leaving only peripheral vision. For all that technology was supposed to increase employment opportunities for the blind and those with major visual disturbances, the facts at that unemployment runs at 75% for such people.
There are also people who have disorders like epilepsy, who can look perfectly normal but cannot get a job because their seizures are not controlled or because they cannot find an employer willing to take a chance on them. I’m not necessarily bashing employers here, either; imagine hiring someone who might have a major seizure at any time.
Contrary to popular belief, it is not easy to qualify for SSI. It’s downright difficult and the vast majority of qualified applicants are denied two or more times before their application is finally approved. Although one’s personal physician can assist with the application, most SSI applicants are required to be examined by a physician appointed by SSI and therefore without any personal link to that person.
The fraud rate for SSI is below the percentage of people qualified for SSI who are not receiving it, either because they don’t realise they can apply or they become discouraged with a system that typically hands out multiple denials before accepting them.
As an employer, the major issue is reliable transportation. It’s really hard for a truly disabled person to get around as needed. If you are blind, you can’t drive (for obvious reasons), and the bus may or may not work out as far as times etc (depending on the public transportation system wherever you live, our sucks) deaf people can’t work phones without special equipment, blah blah blah.
Employers are NOT supposed to discriminate based on the whole reasonable accommodation clause, but how reasonable is having to buy a twenty thousand dollar voice to text converter for a minimum wage employee? Then there is the whole liability issue if some unknown danger causes an injury that *should* have been preventable. It can be scary to employers to take these risks.
I read about some guy on the East Coast who sued for his employer to pay for his lap-band surgery because he hurt his back at work but the back surgery wouldn’t be effective at his current weight. He was obese when he was HIRED, but the courts ruled in his favor. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/10/court-says-employer-must-_n_282676.html Please note, he was off work for TWO YEARS.
Now I worry about that, too, and I ain’t no skinny minnie myself. Where does it end?
This story is pure fiction and defamation of character. I will address the lies. A) The horses have water 24/7 due to a year round creek that is spring fed, the only two paddocks that do not have creek access have large water troughs that are filled daily. B) The horses ALL have access to run ins 24/7 and good quality hay 24/7. C) Horses get fed supplements/grain as needed based on the individual horses needs. D) Horses get vet care when needed (and I have the vet records to prove it). E) We lease the property and have for 8 YEARS, there is no taking advantage as the farmer appreciates the income and every year has offered us additional property to use. F) That said we must work with what is there, so we have had fences put up proffessionally or use one of the 6 round pens we own to safely seperate horses. Shelters have been put up, or portians of the existing barns modified for use. G) We had 2 foals last year, one for our breeding program and one who is for sale ( a well bred phantoms heir grand-daughter); that is hardly breeding everything as this vitrole accuses. Our horses are well bred and very carefully sellected for type, temperment, athletic ability and the bonus of color (which is the last consideration). The fact that we don’t use a professional photoagrapher to make our horses look like models does not mean they do not meet breed standards, it means the photos are CANDID. H) The Mercer County Humane Society and PA State police have been to the farm several times over the past 2 years since my blind pony was murdered, due to the false accussations of a small group of people who have too much time on their hands. All allegations have been found FALSE and criminal harrssment charges were filed by US and the MCHS. This attempt at defamation and tresspassing has had a police report filed with the PA state police and is currently under investigation. I) We are a family farm, I am Not the only person taking care of the horses. I am disabled with Fibromyalgia and a host of other physical problems which are nobody’s business; I have weeks where I can not get out of bed due to inabliity not lack of will. When that happens the other members of family care for the horses. I am under doctor’s order to ride, as it is one of the best exercises a DISABLED person can do, hence the popularity of Handicapped riding programs. Signed Tory Morgan
Lady, your horses look like crap, for the most part ARE crap that should be someone’s well loved riding horse NOT breeding stock, and I notice that you’re not addressing all the money you owe to the property owner in this post, not even once. “Criminal harassment charges?” ROTFL! ROTFL! ROTFL! Also, it’s not trespassing when someone has the property OWNER’S permission to be there. YOU DON’T OWN THE PROPERTY, therefore YOU do not have a right to decide who is on it. That’d be like ME thinking I can decide who comes to my horses’ boarding barn.
You are a piece of work and this post proves it.
Fibromyalgia is a pain disorder, that frankly I think is over diagnosed and probably not real. But, let’s pretend for the sake of argument it is. Most therapy riding is done for people who can’t walk, or can’t walk well. The reason that horse-riding is a good therapy for them, is because riding a walking horse creates a similar movement in the rider’s hips and body to actual walking. While I’m sure we all agree here that horse-riding is good for the body, mind and soul – riding does nothing particular as a therapy for Fibromyalgia. Horse riding does not equal a pain killer.
Even if it did, fine go ride a horse. Take a lesson, rent a trail horse. You have no excuse for owning multiple horses, let alone one, when you are supporting yourself on government handouts.
Shatormar Arabians; I knew those arabains looked familiar.
She lives in NW Pennsylvania, I’m in NE Pennsylvania. I’ve seen her ads for horses before.
If I can help in any way I’d gladly do it since it’s kind of close to home!
I live not more than an hour south of her…I watched one of the videos and if that farm is in Sharon, PA, and from the video it looks like it borders interstate 79…interesting…if I could be of any assistance I would
Once again it’s hard to know where to start with this. There is so much WRONG with each of these stories and it’s almost like editing the same story. Put the computer on “Global Search” and change the cities, names and the number of dead or dying animals — and maybe the amount of money suckered out of people — and it’s like Groundhog Day.
Until there is a punishment that is so “meaningful” to these liars and cheats that makes them suffer enough that they choose another “line of work,” these kinds of stories are going to go on and on and ON, with nothing changing but maybe the hair color/gender of the miscreants and the numbers of dead and dying.
Pro-slaughter folks will say this is what happens when there is nowhere to take unwanted horses, but if the craps featured in this blog were stopped EFFECTIVELY from doing what they are doing, that would end some of this because stallions would be gelded and no “mares bred back.”
I do not put money into any rescue’s hands. I donate goods and services via the local feed stores (that I trust) or fuel cards to those who drive/haul. I SEE the places first hand before I even do that. I support two that I have checked out thoroughly, and as far as I can tell, my donations are going where they are being used properly. The poor saps on ABR and other boards see a picture and send money. That’s as far as their investigations go, though ABR did discover some scammers almost right away and put some safeguards in place. Shortly before I stopped dropping by, someone submitted a very well known picture of a little foal that froze to death. She claimed this was one of her rescues (she was “new”) and people who remembered this particular picture and the horrific story that went with it jumped all over her.
Letters defending herself (“oh, I used the wrong picture, I AM a legitimate rescue, blah blah blah”) and no follow-up on the request to have a Wiki page in place (for some reason ABR felt that was enough to verify a rescue as legit). Quite an interesting dynamic at work on that site, for sure.
Anyway, donate with care … to ANY charity. The 502(c)(3) designation means the donator gets to take something off his/her taxes. It does NOT make the charity flashing that designation an honest organization.
That should be “501(c)(3).” Too early, not enough coffee.
Regarding the pinto puppymill:
In pretty much any other non-residential renting situation, the landlord can eventually seize the stuff that the tenant is storing on the property. I don’t know what the rules on animals are, but it would stink if this is the one time they aren’t treated like property.
It wouldn’t be much, but it might help the poor old guy get some of the starving animals off his property, and get a few stallions under the knife so that this problem doesn’t grow exponentially in the near future.
I think your idea is a good one, and it is probably legal. Certainly, a regular boarding stable can keep a horse for non-payment of board, so this isn’t much different. The only drawback would be that from the story it seems like this old man is not really assertive enough to pursue something like that. Maybe some neighbors familiar with the situation could volunteer to help him out.
Oh, he’d definitely have to have help, preferably from a rescue organization that knew what they were doing and their counsel… it’s not like he’s going to see a dime of the money she owes him anyways, but he might be more likely to go for it if he knew he didn’t have to pay any more out of his own pocket.
She’s still advertising ‘purebred pinto/sabino arabians’. Kind of sad that in order to be guilty of fraud, someone has to actually believe her.
He can put a stableman’s lean on the horses. I can’t remember the exact time frame, but I believe it’s 90 days.
OMG, it just goes on and on. I’m sure these stories are just the tip of the iceberg. How many others are there that are just not getting media attention? My take-away from all this is that our animal protection laws need to be strengthened and enforced. There should be a mandatory jail sentence for repeat offenses, and not just a month or two either.
What would happen if a group of Maine horsepeople picketed the Clinton farm? It can’t be illegal, and it would surely call more attention to the horrible conditions, especially for those people who aren’t Internet-savvy. It’s just disgusting that the people paid to protect thes animals are apparently not doing their jobs.
I live in southern NH and here we have an alert and proactive populace that will readily report animal abuse. We also have a very good SPCA that removes abused livestock and goes to court to defend them. Still, I’m not so sure that the more northerly parts of my state are as good in this regard.
Picketing is always legal as long as you are not on their property and are not violent or verbally offensive or otherwise in violation of anything. It’s free speech.
Holy freakin’ shit! That was a whole lot of stupid in one post. Dean is almost funny at this point, except for the fact that animals continue to suffer because of her. It’s almost like an Elmer Fudd/Bugs Bunny cartoon. That wascawy Animal Control keeps taking her horses! Or maybe she reminds me of Baby Huey, they look an awful lot alike…
That Tory Morgan is nuts too. none of those paints on her site look like Arabians to me, but hey, she has a quote from some author (who I could find no record of having any horse-breeding experience) saying “parti-color” Arabians exist in spite of very conspicuous evidence. What is the evidence, that goofy website? Nice pencil drawing of the paint horse on top the page though, real classy for your upscale breeding operation. It is the only thing I saw that resembles an Arabian on there though.
I see Bedonna now has customers in France and other parts of Europe. Is she cutting out the middle-men and selling directly to the meat shops now?
Does anyone with a Paint membership mind looking up a horse for me? His name is Mega Sun Bar. He’s an 8 year old gelding from NC and was supposed to have barrel raced. Thanks so much!
I show Arabian pintos and often raise 1, occasionally 2 foals a year. My horses are all multiple show champions, but for 2010, I have no foals coming and have no plans of breeding anything back again until the market improves – alot. I will spend my time training the couple of youngsters I kept for myself to show. I can not imagine how anyone with average to low end horses ( even if they do happen to have pretty markings or sweet temperaments ) would ever consider breeding them in this economy. To be breeding now, you’d darn sure better have outstanding horses and know that you have a strong market. In years past, I had a waiting list for my foals and even the ones I was thinking of keeping for myself usually sold before they were yearlings. The last two I sold were sold 1 day and 1 week from the day they were listed on-line for sale. Still, I feel the smartest thing to do right now, is not to breed any of my mares. I didn’t see anything in today’s photos that would tempt me to buy it, let alone breed it. I always tell people, if your Paint/Pinto were solid colored, would you still like it/but it/breed it? If the answer is no, then you probably shouldn’t buy/breed it. You fell in love with a color or pattern. Nothing really wrong with buying a pretty colored or marked fugly, but you won’t have to breed it.
Just a couple of comments on Tory Morgan….
Some of her horses are actually cute. Not that I think they should be bred, but they look like they would be nice horses for someone. I did notice, however, that SEVERAL of her horses are over the age of 5 and unbroke. Take a looks at Moonlight Sun God (listed for sale). He’s a 2005 model and she claims he jumps 4ft fences all on his own and “wants to be a Grand Prix horse.” He’s probably jumping his fences to get FOOD, you dunce!
Anyone see the picture of Sonora? The poor thing is so incorrect. Not to mention that she’s obviously got some malnutrition issues going on. You can see it in her poor coat and her boniness.
And lastly, the pictures of Magics Alamyst….this is not to comment on the horse at all, but rather the riding. The boy in the picture is Tory’s 15 year old son, who (if you read her “story” about her stallion) is just learning to ride and being taught by Tory herself. I don’t even know where to begin. His posture is poor, he’s hanging on the horse’s face, and in one picture, he’s riding in SOCKS! No boots! Oh, and there’s no helmet on any of these riders. Both Tory and her mother have not ridden in 10 years and the son is a beginner. Not only is this place a puppymill that is unsafe and neglectful for the horses, but for the people as well. Someone should teach Tory the meaning of the word RESPONSIBLE.
I really REALLY want someone to e-mail one of these people who claims to be a ‘rescue/breeder’ and pose as a prospective client and ask them some difficult questions about their stallion’s/brood mare’s accomplishments in the show ring. It would be hilarious to watch them come up with stuff. “Oh, yes, Zippy Dee Dun Bar None on My Record’s great grandsire won the W/P class at Arabian Nationals. He has great bloodlines.” Well, have you shown him at all? “Err… Well, you see, we were going to take him to regionals here this season, but some things came up and we didn’t.” What sort of things? Too many horses so you couldn’t afford to take your backyard bred fugly cow to a trainer, even though you haven’t spent a dime on the THIRTY + more on the way horses that you are supposed to feed, get vet work and farrier work done on? And I fully acknowledge the fact that those are all Quarter Horse bloodlines. I’m not too keen on the arab circuit.
Some day when I have time to research, we are going to talk about truth in advertising. I know SO many breeders who lie, lie, lie, lie, LIE about the accomplishments of their horses and their horses’ relatives! I mean, it is nuts. No one ever seems to bust them on it when they’re lying flat. I have particularly noted a lot of lying about futurity wins. OK this is going to be a dumb question, but are some futurity halter classes not AQHA pointed classes, or were they ever? Because if they’re always regular, pointed AQHA classes, BOY have I heard a LOT of lying about “futurity winners” that don’t have so much as a half-point when I look them up and supposedly won a class of twelve! I also see a lot of lying about the foals’ accomplishments. Check it on AQHA, it is often a huge eye-opener!
The thing that really irks me about the lying on sales ads about accomplishments is that these people could be busted so easily. It’s like the buyers, who we can assume are otherwise very intelligent people (well, actually maybe not, but we will give them the benefit of doubt), don’t know that you look up show records with little hassle just by googling them. If people actually took the time to research, then so much crap could be avoided. As for the points in halter classes, I honestly don’t have an answer for that. I am a dressage rider, and the only thing I know about futurities and the like is from just skimming the surface of understanding AQHA circuit through minimal research and watching a few videos of it. I’ve never really been one for the super low, super disengaged movement of western classes (naturally because it goes against every God-sent word from the classical masters!).
Truth in advertising is a joke. I am not sure of specifics (not an attorney, or even close) but I was following the whole Papa Johns pizza lawsuit (vs. Pizza Hut) and there was all this B.S. about specific claims, puffery, blah blah. It seemed to boil down to that you can claim any unspecific thing you want “award-winning” “fresher” “best” “beautiful” “breeding prospect” because opinion is protected free speech. You can’t say “Tony Award Winning” “three days fresher” “won the blue ribbon at the Three Lakes Quarter Horse Stallion under 3 years old” unless it is specifically verifiable.
So things like, “broke” “breed prospect” “registerable” all probably okay, even if it is in the one-hoofed, ugliest, bronc breeding registry – because, hey, somepeople like to ride ugly, one-hoofed broncs, and may consider them breeding prospects. It is definitely caveat emptor out there.
Actually, Futurities are typically NOT AQHA point classes.. they are futurity classes, and are separate and non-pointed from AQHA and APHA. Usually held and run by a state AQHA/APHA affiliate, but some futurities do have money earnings tracked, I would think NSBA keeps a record of total earnings somewhere for their nominated horses. But the “State Futurity Winner, Early Weanling Colts” — nope, only the state affiliate would be able to tell you about who won what- which year.
Here is another interesting factoid (well, a couple) the HUGE quarter horse congress held in Ohio every year is for points.. but only ONE set. Most weekend AQHA shows are for 2 or more. And the AQHA World, Select and Youth World… NO points are given, only titles and money.. I only learned that a few years ago.. no points at the AQHA world show.. how bout that!
Head shaking…OMG from Bedona’s website:
I don’t have time to halter break every foal because I may raise 40 to 80 foals every year.
So, I let my Donkey Trainers teach them the basics.
I start off by doing “Drag Rope Time” for 2 days.
I make rope halters for the foals, and attach long drag ropes.
I put 2 to 4 foals together in a small pen. 4 is best. The pen I use is around 15′ by 20′. They all step on each others ropes, and the ropes touch them all over their legs, backs, etc. This really teaches them to give to the halter pressure, lower their heads and not fight the rope, and get used to ropes touching them everywhere.
After 2 days of “Drag-Rope Time”, I connect the foal to a Donkey.
A Gentle, halter broke, quiet, non-agressive Donkey is a must. The Donkey wears a wide Collar with a heavy duty ring sewn in it. I use a short Trailer Tie with a Bull-Snap on one end and a Panic Snap on the other end to connect the two. I may even tie a knot or two into the trailer tie to make sure it’s not too long. If it’s too long, it results in an increased risk of getting tangled, and getting injured, so a short connection is critical. Once in a while, a leg will get over the trailer tie, and they will need to be untangled.
I leave the foal hooked to the Donkey for 2 to 3 days.
Seriously, sometimes I think that whole web site was created just to piss me off, but I fear she actually exists.
Yes she does exist. I have spoken with her. I was going to buy one of her mares (not bred) to train for a riding horse. She is very pushy on sales and gets very mad when you take your time deciding or change your mind about buying. I can’t imagine putting that many foals on the ground every year. Also if you look at her site she has another colt coming as a stud prospect and may keep one of the yearlings for a stud. She lost one foal last year to wild dogs and one got injured (not sure on details) and so she sold it as a stud prospect only.
That really does sound like a humane, ethical way of training a foal. Why doesn’t everyone do that? Oh, yeah, THEY HAVE BRAINS. Really, who DOES that? And WHY? So I’ve come up with two possible theories for this woman’s behavior: 1) She was dropped on her head a lot as an infant, or 2) She was taught to walk by being tied to an unsuspecting donkey.
Well, it actually is a very humane way to halter train a foal that hasn’t been handled. It’s how it’s done with wild horses. They get used to giving to pressure without the pressure of scary humans. I’ve done it many different ways with un-handled horses and this often works the best. A lot of times an un-handled youngster will rear and fall over when teaching to lead.
Here in “Wild Horse Nevada” I’ve either done this or seen it done of beau coup mustangs and, to date, I’ve never witnessed or heard of a horse breaking it’s leg yet.
FWIW, that’s how the King Ranch halter breaks their bulls.
All of the bull calves they plan to keep as bulls are halter broken and handled regularly. They halter the bull calf to a donkey, keep an eye on them, and after about 3-4 days, the donkey has out-stubborned the bull calf and voila! Halter broke.
ROFL…I never let a donkey teach the kids how to walk, what was I thinking spending so much time stooped over letting them hang onto my fingers. All I needed as a mini-donkey.
@ AnnieBannanie–
This may be a good way to halter break wild foals (key word: wild), but assuming that this lady is a legitimate breeding farm (which we know she isn’t but still, she is not some half rate bronc breeder) trying to make a good name for herself instead of ending up on this blog, then she probably wouldn’t do this. Think of all of the reputable breeding farms: Iron sprigs, hill top, and the like. These are farms that are known to have quality horses. Do you think that they tie foals to donkeys? Probably not. Chances are that they do the training themselves or hire out a well-known, legitimate young horse trainer. If she absolutely does not have time to train these horses to halter, then she should probably seriously consider down sizing. Again, wild horses and untouched foals are not going to trust humans, so I can see how this would work. And again, if she wants to be a breeder of quality horses, then she needs to downsize to actually have time for her horses. It seems to me that a fair bit of laziness is involved in all of this.
I saw that too. What a nut. I also notice there is nothing on there about how many injuries and broken legs have resulted from her idiotic method of halter-breaking, but I suspect there have been a few. And you know some dumbass has read that and thought “Wow, what a good idea…I’m gonna go pick me up a free donkey off of Craig’slist tomorrow…”
That’s such an odd thing to admit to on a website, that you have so many foals you don’t have time to halter break a horse. I wonder if I can teach my dog to quietly walk on a leash by tying her to another leash-trained dog?
The donkey method of halter breaking is actually pretty old. It was and is used a lot on big ranches such as the King Ranch in TX. The AQHA website use to have some black and white pictures of donkeys and weanlings. We bought our current place from some big time Paint and QH trainers that used it. They had a sweet, 14 hand donkey that they would use in an arena with the weanling. I have never heard of a horse or donkey hurt in this type of training. The trick is to find the right donkey.
I’m sure this can be true of a lot of methods out there, but the question I ask myself is: if you don’t have the time/hands to break the foals to begin with, do you have the same to supervise them for this method? How many cowboys/ranch hands does she have if the animals get into trouble? Why mass produce like this when the market is so poor?
Donkey-necking as I’ve heard some call it, when done properly is actually a very GOOD way to halter break colts, and get on her case for other things, but halter breaking colts this way is probably not the battle to fight. It works very well.
Okay, when I read shit like this I just want to jam my knuckles in my eyes and go “lalalala” like some people do with their ears, except it’s already loaded into my “already read” area of my brain. Apparently she has never heard of equipment failure with a breakaway snap?! Yeah, that’s *educational* for the foal! And don’t we have enough jackasses out there training without resorting to four-legged ones??!!
Why can’t Tory Morgan’s landlord put a lien on her horses? Are horse liens unique to Texas? I don’t know much about horse law (especially outside of this state), but I have seen a case where a caretaker kept feeding the horses after an owner refused to pay for feed. Eventually, the owner owed the caretaker several thousand dollars. The caretaker got a judgment in his favor. If the owner couldn”t pay him the money he was owed, the caretaker would get the horses.
I believe there is no written agreement. Old guy took her at her word. I do not know the law in PA – maybe someone else does?
PA has the uniform commercial code, which usually covers liens. If no one’s answered by tonight I’ll dig out my copy and see what’s there. Someone above mentioned ‘stableman’s liens’ but I don’t know if that’s actually a section or just a more specifically named category in another section. If they work anything like warehouseman’s liens, he probably shouldn’t have much trouble.
Doesn’t have to be a written agreement, you should know that!!!
Your word actually is your bond.
So long as she led him to believe she actually would pay him, and he knows how much she owes him, that is enough for him to put a lien on the horses to recover his money.
He might want to go for stuff he can prove though….for example, he can prove feed and hay as he paid for them himself and will have receipts or at least someone who remembers supplying the stuff.
The problem with this sort of “seizure” is that he would need to be able to remove them to somewhere she cannot find them, but the first step would be to inform the sheriffs office that he has seized the animals and the second step would be to deny her access to his farm.
Then he should go ahead and sell them to recover his money.
If he is acting illegally, the sheriffs office should let him know, right back at step one.
In theory, yes. But if there’s nothing written you still have to prove the terms of the contract. In a he-said, she-said situation, that can go very badly.
I have to say something on the whole disability thing. I am legally blind and could collect disability. Do I? No, I work. However if my place of employment were to close (possible with todays economy) I would be without a job. Than I would collect. there are very little jobs within wslking distance. The goverment says I can not drive than fine the goverment can pay when there is no jobs in walking distance. Would I look for a job? Yap. Would I ride more while looking for a job? Yep. Would I give up my horse? Hells no. I would probably have to eat ramen noodles but my mare is going no where. Please don’t lump all disabled nonworking people in the same category. Especially with the economy the way it is. Yeah some are lazy ashhats who shouldn’t be allowed near a horse but some would rather be working than sitting around but can’t.
Ah, but you’re working. If you wind up jobless, it’ll be through no fault of your own like so many people these days. Tory has been sitting on her butt for TEN YEARS by her own admission on her own web site!
That story about Fair Play in Maine made me feel sick to my stomach. Alexis Ingraham and her husband need to be thrown UNDER the jail. Thank you to the woman who took the bay mare. I’d like to find out how the horse is doing now…
This all just happened…she got the mare on the 11th, she’s only had her a week. I am sure we will get updates!
Like TBDancer said, you could change the names and locations but the shit goes on and on and on… case in point:
http://richmond.craigslist.org/grd/1601888343.html
I do not know anything about this place. Don’t know where it is but it is near me. It just might be a clean and well kept farm with well fed and groomed (and trained) animals but I cannot for the life of me understand why, when you state you MUST SELL!!! you are selling with free breeding to your (unregistered) stallions. GELD THEM BASTARDS, DAMMIT! And that negotiable asking price of anything over $300 is just a sty in my eye. But let us breed some more of dem fockers! Where this farm is located is in an economically depressed area. I know, I live here in southern Virginia. I see some of the most pitiful ignorance I’ve ever known and I avoid them like the plague. They want no kind of help because they know it allllll. Like I said, different place, same shit.
Okay, sorry, I flew off the handle before re-reading the ad. They do register their animals. But to me that doesn’t excuse anyone for over breeding. I’m sure they are lovely fugs. Just getting too damn many of them.
My bad~
I’m glad the riding picture was a pic and not a video. I don’t even want to KNOW what would happen if they moved. Nothing about that picture looks sturdy. The horse looks like it’s either got quite a bit of growing to do or like it should be a pasture pet.
in Canada they can invoke the ‘innkeepers act’ and basically proper notice and time to pay given then the animals are sold at public advertised action to earn money’s owed. I though I hear of a similar thing in the US
That’s how it is here in Oregon. I just researched all of this for some friends who own a boarding stable.
At what point can the land owner claim the horses his for non payment?? I know here in the old dominion its 90 days of non payment. Some one needs to help him look into possesion laws and start the ball rolling. Then maybe he can start weeding through them and listing them for sale, humanely euthing, or auctioning them off as needed to try to recoup some of his money and get the animals taken care of. Or get a rescue involved to come in and vet them all and find them homes so he can find a new renter or sell. I just hate when old people get taken advantage of, especially really nice old people!!
Terry is a nightmare and has cost the court system more money than she is worth.
Dean is a nightmare and has cost the court system more money than she is worth.
Some times a bullet would be the most humane thing, honestly……not for them, for us
I don’t know what the law is in Pennsylvania, but if there are any PA attorneys here, I would love to hear from them.
Regarding the Terry Lynn Sullivan horses. The equine communtiy is pulling togather, the word is out and we just sent donated feed to help them out. this is just one more horder who needs to be put away.
I purchased my boy from a BYB out of pity. There was no working animal control at that time, and he was waisting away in a field. A two year old with 6 impacted teeth, with an infection from them that had compromised his sinuses. The woman told me he had allergies. He still suffers with teeth issues 6 years later, he has 3 fractured molars, but we float his teeth every 6 months, watch for signs of discomfort, and he rewards me with his love. And why do these BYB think thier horses are worth sooo much???
Tory is a joke, the photo of her on the “stud” is a joke with her feet shoved to the heel in the stirrup – any horseman can tell she’s not. Her website is great. I love the film of the fugly zebra foals playing in the debris. I just want to run right down to PA and buy one now. What is it with these women who just HAVE TO BREED HORSES??? It’s a mental disorder I just know it, it’s like hoarding. She’s probably disabled because that yearling colt she’s attempting to groom in the pic just struck her in the head. I wish judges would make these women wear sandwich boards at horse shows saying “I am a backyard breeder who neglects my horses” maybe public shame would stop this.
She has actual zebras??? Or do you mean these guys? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkzuqKKNJuI
Breeding zebras or zorses takes it into a whole ‘nother level IMO, more zookeepers are injured or killed by zebras every year then large carnivores. They don’t let go when they bite, and they bite frequently even when trained. There’s a reason why zebras were never domesticated… zorses aren’t much better.
Way to go Dean. We knew you’d come through. I wondered if that picture I took at the auction was your trailer. I wouldn’t haul cockroaches in that thing.
Is it a coincidence that Dean/Dena share all the same letters of their first names – and (recent) criminal behavior?
If you mean that pony-sized thing with a tarp over the top, it belonged to the lady who was supposedly boarding Sweet Year on Dean’s behalf – I had to watch them load her into that
She’s the one who let Sweet Year get into horrible condition before dumping her back at the Pavilion. I’m hoping she’s the one being indicted with Dean. BTW, Sweet Year is going back to her breeder for retirement!
That would be the trailer. Imagine hauling a horse with a flapping tarp slapping their ears. That had to be the biggest POS trailer I’ve ever seen. It looked like something that should be planted in a garden for display, not on the road.
BTW.. This was the Feb auction.
Regarding the Staunton, VA case — one of the testifying vets on the link you provided was Scott Reiner of Mountain View Equine. I have taken horses to that facility for specialty care (they are a bit far away for me to use as my regular vet) and they are top-notch. Not only did the woman who was trying to save ‘Dip’ make a valiant effort, she also enlisted one of the best local facilities to do it. Definitely the exact opposite of the ‘ole farm vet’ who couldn’t care less about the animals. If Mountain View couldn’t save that horse it was pretty far gone. Virginia needs to bundle up people like this idiot, the ones from Middleburg that starved the Thoroughbreds last year and Michael Vick and drop the whole mess via ICBM directly into the hear of Afghanistan where they will likely encounter people with the same regard for human life as they have for animal life.
I can tell you for sure that you do not actually have to have a “disability” to be considered “disabled”. Sometimes laziness and an ability to seem pathetic are all you need. I know two people who are claiming disability benefits and they are no more disabled than I am (which is not at all, I would just prefer not to have to go to work everyday). One has been approved because he has a bad back….well if you weigh 350 lbs, I can see how you might have a bad back. Get off your butt and lose some weight and become a productive member of society!! And the other, who is just SUPER LAZY got disability benefits approved because they consider her mentally incapable of holding down a job. Hell…….well then so am I!! If you tell yourself you can’t do it and you screw up enough so everyone believes you can’t do it, then I guess you can’t do it. NO you don’t actually have to be disabled to be on disability, you just have to be a good liar and make yourself look pathetic for at least 30 minutes during the interview with the disability doctors. Both of these people and I believe many others, have entitlement issues and believe that they should get a free ride because they are who they are. Sad to say, both of these people are close relatives (parents) to myself and my husband…. Surely not all people are in this catagory, but if I personally know of at least two, then I am sure there are many many more.
IB, in the Ontario welfare system, (called “Ontario Works”), these people are called the “hard to serve”, and as such, are often just shipped off to the Ontario Disability Support Program because there’s no way in hell that they will ever be useful or productive citizens. I am delighted to be a Canadian who has the priviledge of living in a country with a social safety net, but I am SICK TO DEATH of holding up people who would rather suck off the teat of my taxes. I have many friends and colleagues with significant physical and mental disabilities who can outperform me in my job.
So OT – but am feeling in a ranty mood. Must go pet some soft noses later.
P.S. Having horses in my life is what kept me off drugs as a kid, and all my animal friends, (well, maybe with the exception of Bud the Parrot of Evil), have graciously provided their fur for me to cry upon.
P.P.S. I am NOT a right-wing conservative!
My cousin is in that catagory too. She is on full disability because she gets too stressed out when she has to work. When we grilled her about her actual condition she laughed and said work drives her batshit crazy, and she can’t deal with some asshole boss telling her what to do. That was 4 years ago. I reported her. Hell, 2/3′s of my family reported her. She is still on full disability. Oh, and gets welfare for her 2 kids that live with Grandma because they stress her out.
Off topic, but it will lighten your day a bit. I found this whilst perusing the craigslist “best of” section:
http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/sea/1533612838.html
OMG! That is so funny!
Absolutely the BEST CL ad I have ever read!
I *know* that saddle! Thought I had banished it to the outer moons of the planet Koozbain, but no!!!
No, it will just find a similarly fugly saddle, do the tally-ho-whoop-whoop call, run at it at high speed, and BREED ITSELF.
Fugly Koozbain saddles for all!
FYI: Sandra Werner, who was convicted in 2006 of animal abuse, has become or is soon to become legally capable of owning horses again. If anyone hears about anything about her and horses please post. If she is in the CA Central Valley I would like to know so I can do drive by inspections. Penny came from her latest round of starvation in Kings county, five months pregnant, 200 lbs under weight and barely able to get up, she also has operated in Tulare county.
http://www.pet-abuse.com/cases/9489/CA/US/
This is truly horrible! When will law enforcement, judges, legislators and society recognize that these people are common criminals and start treating them as such? Most of these people would be diagnosed as either psychopaths or sociopaths with a very high risk of reoffending.
How many of Key Symptoms of Psychopathy can you find in the in today’s blog?
•glib and superficial
•grandiose sense of self-worth
•lack of remorse or guilt
•lack of empathy
•deceitful and manipulative
•shallow emotions
•impulsive
•poor behavioral control
•need for stimulation/prone to boredom
•lack of responsibility
•early behavioral problems
•adult antisocial behavior
It’s time to enact federal legislation making animal cruelty a felony in all 50 states with mandatory jail time and registration in a national computerized databse as a convicted animal abuser.
Sounds good. Now how do we get that done? Write Obama, draw up a bill and get enough signatures to have it voted on? Anyone here know federal law?
Isn’t there a bill out there to ban transporting horses out of the country? What happened to that?
I believe the bill was for not transporting horses out of the country in a double decker. Otherwise, transport away. I also believe the bill had 5 years before it went into effect, but I do not know when it was signed. The problem with it is, most of these trucks only travel at night when the weigh stations and the DOT are less likely to be open/out and about, so the likelihood of being caught with a double decker full of horses is slim.
It isn’t illegal to be a psycopath or a sociopath… but the laws should change and require therapy as part of sentencing, due to the behavioral issues that you state and the high risk of these those with these conditions potentially pose to the public.
BTW, the statues in each state would have to be amended to make this law. The federal government (in the US) has ability to affect these issues. Congress can’t change state penal codes, the Supreme Court only has the ability to rule if a law is or is not in compliance with the Constitution. The President can issue an unfunded mandate to regarding animal welfare.
Sorry, it’s my inner Poli Sci geek coming out.
I don’t know about all of the states, but in California, with enough signatures, the people can add item to the ballot for public vote. This is an avenue worth exploring.
Mustang Hatty-A Sandra L. Werner is living in Woodlake, CA near Visialia. Her relative is a son named John Scott Werner. She is 64 years old., This information came from Switchboard.com.
Am I total idiot or just not seeing the same thing? Or did you mix up Go to Moons and Our Cash Policy?
I’d keep GtM as a nice gelding, I actually think he’s kinda cute (I like big heads); but OCP has a wicked ewe :S
I don’t know, maybe I have no idea what I’m talking about.
I don’t think I mixed them up. OCP is the first one listed. GTM has a godawful neck with a huge bulge on the underside that looks like he spends his whole life fighting against a tie down. Except I think he’s just built that way!
I’m still not seeing it (you’ve probably got a better eye, I bet his mane is tripping me up). Based on the photos at the bottom of GtM’s page I’d guess whatever it is, was caused by poor training & incorrect muscle build up. His neck is definitely thick but that’s not the worst of his issues.
Clearly he was left a stud because “He was broke as a young horse but got a severe cut on his front leg which has left him unsound to ride. ” . I wouldn’t take any of those guys home, and definitely would never breed them
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FYI: The Hermiston, OR horse auction is this weekend. I have promised my very accomodating hubby that I will not raise my hand for any reason, he swears that he will not believe me if I “accidently” purchasing another one (he’s so cute when he’s fussy). Perhaps some of you will stop in and take the needy ones home so that I do not get divorced. http://hermistonhorsesale.com/
Sorry had to laugh at the FAQs on the Hermiston site where they actually had to put this in writing:
Can I ride my horse in the sale ring?
Yes. We recommend riding trained or started horses in the sale ring. The rider should wear appropriate CLOTHING.
You will be responsible for getting your horse to the Auction Ring and taking it back to the stall.
Really? I have to wear clothing? Not they put it in capital letters – was it a problem there? They sure make their sale yard sound nice. What are their prices like – not the catalog sales?
I have seen girls ride auction horses through in bikini tops. Drives up bids!
Off Topic but look at this
http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-pets-livestock-for-sale-stud-service-W0QQAdIdZ186919635
Date Listed 18-Feb-10
Price Please contact
Address Halifax, NS, Canada
View map
I have a nice stallion, will breed your horse cheap
why pay big stud fees?
please contact
Just sad! Dean Solomon is disgusting
I have seen that Bedonna website before and I was wondering when it would show up on here! lol. I know another website doing the exact same thing in Oklahoma – breeding wayyyy too many average quarter horses. Of course they have about five stallions, too.
My daughter has worked as a disibility claims case manager for a huge insurance company for years now. You wouldnt believe the stories she could tell. Actually recieving disability benefits isnt as easy as you might think. Claimants are required to provide proof of their disability, including extensive doctor reports and medical bills. My daughter spends hours and hours checking the facts and interviewing doctors both in person and over the phone. Most of those who are trying to milk the system are weeded out….usually they are uncooperative and refuse to provide the proof the insurance company requires. Keep in mind that the term “disabilty” can vary greatly. For those who have employer provided disability benefits from private insurance companies all you have to prove is that you cant do your current job and you may qualify for benefits. Thats different from government social security disability where I believe you have to be unable to do most any type of work at all to qualify.
Of course some do manage to milk the system, and those are the ones who always seem to make the headlines.
OT, but I would like everyone’s advice in picking a joint supplement for my 12yr old mare. What do you look for in a decent joint supplement? There are so many different types/brands/combinations, how do you know what’s good and how much of what? We do not do any jumping or dressage, we just trail ride and have fun running around. I will talk to her vet when he comes to do the spring shots, but I’d like to start looking now.
I have used Hylamotion Liquid before with good results and it is easy to administer by top-dressing your horses feed. It also won’t break the bank. I also have used a Devil’s Claw/Yucca suplement. Worked fine on a mare with light arthritis but wasn’t as effective on another horse we had whose condition was more severe.
Almost forgot, anyone wanting to check out a funny Craigswreck:
http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/grd/1605871417.html
I use Cosequin. The loading dose is kind of pricey, but when you get to maintenance it’s reasonable. I chose Cosequin because I’m pretty sure it’s the only oral joint supplement that has had actual clinical trials done. The company has been around for years and they make a version for dogs and cats as well. I can REALLY tell the difference since I started my gelding on it. He just has the very beginning signs of arthritis and he is moving much better. Cosequin can be used as a preventative. For more severe/localized arthritis, I would go with the Adequan injections.
Another really good one is Platinum Performance, but it has a lot of other stuff in it and I don’t want to over-supplement.
I also feed stabilized ground flax (Nutra-Flax and Omega Fields are two different brands you can buy). I bought it as a coat supplement, but since it has Omega-3 fatty acids, it has anti-inflammatory properties as well. Does a great job eliminating dandruff!
I have had the best results with Hyaloronex once a day for my show horses. It’s very pricey, though.. like $300.00 a gallon. For the average pleasure/ trail horse a tube of Conquer or Hyaloronex one week a month should be plenty. It is about $15.00 a tube, and each tube will give 1 dose for 6 days. Powders are unlikely to do much more than waste your money. Go for HA in a viscous form.
Here is what I don’t quite get and perhaps someone can enlighten me – why is it that all over Tory Morgan’s site the horses are shown in lush green pastures but look very thin? Will worms do that?
Side note: I know where Sonora’s dam came from and the original breeder (owner) had acres and acres of land (say 50?) that those horses ran on. None were thin but all were wormy. Even in winter he feed them well and they wandered the acreage. So how come Tory’s herd look horribly thin and this 70/80 year old man who over breed horses like her managed a herd of about 50 horses?
I also know that the dam to Sonora was sold under the impression she was a purebred Arab with sabino markings under her flea bitten grey hair. Turns out that the dam had to be one of the 1/2 Arab/Paints the man bred and “lost track of”. How do I know she had to be 1/2 paint – Sonora. Sonora is the spitting image of the paints he bred – yes the man is no longer breeding because he passed on. Long backed fuglies. Sad the buyer of the D CR Sasha and broker never knew it was the wrong horse until Sonora popped out all “krazy kolored”. Now two people have unregisterable horses.
Absolutely, worms will do that. Horses who are wormy enough will not gain on any amount of feed. You’re just feeding the worms!
Sonora (and her dam) are registered/registerable as Half Arabian. Papers were switched between two grey mares, one purebred, one half. The idea that anyone could believe that a tobiano purebred could come from nowhere is just amazing. Makes even less sense than that someone could sign the breeding certificate some time after death.
I was wondering the same thing (worminess) . . . the thinness and the pot bellies on babies/yearlings (especially in the videos, the few I saw). Still looked better than the photos posted on this blog . . . sounds like a jumbled mess to me. Keep us updated on how this pans out.
Hey there.
I work for Disability in NJ.
Anyone have a clue what kind of disability she is on? Federal/ Temporary? What state she lives/works in?
If you’re able to work a 2nd job with temporary disability ( horse breeding should be considered self-employment, but I doubt she reports wages, so that’s a problem unto itself)–you’re ineligible. It sounds like she’s on disability for one job, but being self-employer (big No-No) with her horses.
Someone, please follow up on this.
And yes, you can report her to temporary disability of PA (if there is one) if you do see her selling horses/doing any business that generates funds under “self employment.” Any funds they would have given her might be retracted. Depends on the situation.
VIRGINIA!! We have some of the most amazing horses and horse owners in the world! One of the best DVM schools.
Please read the links..searchTERRY LYNN SULLIVAN and FERN LEIGH FOUNDATION. Her conviction was UPHELD on APPEAL on January 21, 2010. That conviction from 2008, (her second) gave her minimum jail time subject to good behavior, tc, and NO POSSESSION of HORSES. At the time of this third seizure, she was in violation. Of the law, of good dencent conduct, of good..o nevermind.
The seized horses are at Moutain View Equine , Scott Reiners, DVM and Wynne DiGrasse, DVM..please search and donate if you can..I will provide more details as I can…new at trying to comment and communicate via the web.
Guys, ladies, all. Please bring pressure to bear:
Augusta County Virginia
County Administrator: John Mcgehee-540 245-5600
Augusta County Regional SPCA-540 245-5635
Chronicle of the Horse- BethR@chronofhorse,com-For exposure?
Va. Commonwealth Attorney(on 2008 charges)-Robin Brylan 6 East Johnson St. Staunton, Va. 24401 540 245-5313
Sullivan’s Attorney on record of Appeal: Dana Cormier 1205 Augusta St. Stauton Va, 24402 540 886-3600
VIRGINIA and our neighbors..neigh..haha…please do what you can here. this is an outrage. What is her status with the IRS..anyone know how to look and get them involved. Any one local to pressure the local reporters and TV stations?
Thanks…thanks Cathy for including this and thanks to all of you for reading my comment..if it appears!!
Ughhhh these people make me sick. Especially the bitch who uses our tax dollars to run her “breeding” operation. People like that are the reason I wish we could do away with social programs (or just make them really strict and actually moniter if this person is in true need or just lazy). It seems more people abuse them than actually truly use them for their intended purposes…like the people you stand behind at the grocery store who buy name-brand, expensive groceries with their food stamps while you are holding store-brand stuff that you pay for with your own money. Or the college kids who cheat on their FAFSA (like say they live with their unemployed mother when they actually live at their dad’s lakehouse and drive his Beamer) in order to get “free money” from the government to buy weed with. Yes, I know several people who do that.
Anyways..*strays back on topic* my only question is: Why on earth would anyone want 34++ horses?? I mean, I know they are hoarders and do not think rationally, but why? I love horses to death and if I could I would own a million, but realistically why would you want that many? Horses are time consuming, and if you have that many horses you dont really have the time to enjoy all of them (kind of like the OctoMom). I think the most I would ever own would be 5. I own horses for the enjoyment that they bring me, and I would never have time to give proper attention to more than 5. But for now I will stick with my one..until I am no longer a poor college student.
I would never want more than 10 unless I had employees. I cannot competently manage more than 10 and know that everything is done right. I question people who believe they can competently manage more than 10, single handedly, along with working full time and know that everything is done right. It simply does not seem physically possible to me. If you have kids and other responsibilities, I think it is even less possible.
10 horses? with horse time obligations I feel guilty having two horses who I board in a large sheltered paddock becuase both need more time and attention and I am lucky to work easy hours with my summers off.
I teach teenagers with severe disabilities. I do not believe the current level of entitlement support can be sustained through their lifetimes. I predict it will get ugly for them. It breaks my heart that some parents are prepared, some are terrified but at present 50 % of my students parents don’t give a rat’s butt.
Hats off to you Fugs, no way I could do ten and work! If you count exercise (which I do) there is no way I could do more than 2 and have a full time job. Since I have kids, too, I pay for a full-care barn, visit every day, and just prep feeds and exercise.
Ten *shakes head* I would need that to be my full-time job. Maybe I am just inefficient.
I’ve done ten and worked but I will tell you, it WAS tiring. That’s why I say, that’s my upper limit. Getting up at 5 gets old.
That appy from Cincinatti is worthy in my book, but I will bet my bottom dollar that he’s not the 400.00 fugly she’s trying to sell.
She says in the ad it’s not the horse. She found a picture that “looks like him” and posted it instead of the actual horse. That is what I found so comical. She can pull a picture off the web to use but can’t upload one from her computer? Might stroll over there this weekend just for kicks and see what it actually looks like, it’s only 15 minutes from home.
I am going to have to call you barn blind here – OCP would make a very unspectacular gelding. I don’t see anything about him that is worth reproducing. His head is feminine, and his neck is just… ick. I do like PJT, but it’s hard to tell from that shot. He looks lovely, masculine, and well built, with a pretty throatlatch. The rest need a visit from the gelding bus.
Really? The photo at the top of Mr. Poco Jessie Tivio’s page looks nice enough, but if you scroll down there are more photos of him, including a side confo shot. (Just above the quadzillions of pictures of foals.) It looks like he’s downhill and has a massively thick neck and throatlatch – thicker than some drafts I’ve seen. He’s also cow hocked. Not the worst flaws in the world, but I wouldn’t breed to a stallion like that.
I can see why you don’t like Our Cash Policy’s neck and head (though I wonder if his topline could improve with conditioning), but he’s balanced, has good legs, and a GORGEOUS shoulder. I wouldn’t mind having one like him. I won’t speculate about his fitness as a stallion – it’d probably depend on how he’d do in the show pen.
I’m far from an expert – someone else want to dive in here and add to the critiques?
Except PJT looks like his back-end belongs to another horse :S
$10K!?!?! I don’t even see any proof he’s broke!!!
As a person who has seen Cash in person I have to disagree with you. He’s very well taken care of and the pictures on Bedonnas website are that of him in pasture condition and not how his previous care taker left him. He’s built just like his sire and when crossed with the right mares out produces himself as shown with his get that have been on the track or are running barrels. He was very well managed and is a gentle stallion to be around. On top of that he’s actually done something and could still do something such as barrels or roping.
And again…rescues, this is why you need to train what you have. Just received this:
Creekside Farm Horse Rescue Inc, Blue Ridge TX (Dallas area)
http://www.creeksidefarmhorserescue.org/index.html
The founder of this rescue says it must close March 31. She says, if not placed, the horses will be euthanized.
The horses are on the Creekside website, and contact can be made through the site.
18 month old paint gelding 13.3 hands
2 year old palomino (maybe cremello) filly 13. 2 hands
5 year old QH pony sorrel mare 13. 3 hands
9 year old POA (spotted blanket butt) gelding 13.1 hands
8 year old Norwegian Fjord mix line back dun mare (built like a tank) 12.2 hands
All the above are halter broke only.
8 year old 16.2 Morgan gelding, has been trained by “Ron” almost 3 years ago, would not consider green broke due to lack of time from training to now.
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Fairly sure at least the Fjordie will find a home from a blog reader! Go get her and hopefully she isn’t too much of a runaway buffalo from lack of handling.
Correct me if I’m wrong, doesn’t it say right on the web page that the rescue is NO KILL? At least she feeds them. And yes, I realize she’s shutting down, but I would hope that she’d have enough connections to find someone to take the horses.
On another note, I have personally started older, unbroke horses under saddle before and it has turned out well. The most recent one was a 13 year old stallion. He’s been gelded and is still being trained, but he is so sweet and quite….and fancy! He’ll make a great horse for someone. Older horses learn just as well as young horses….I hope someone gives these guys a chance!
i have been watching the morgan gelding “dribble” at this place for a long time (years). i once e-mailed and offered to help try to place him (i was attending nationals and could have put up ads and networked). i was met with silence. i had a friend who was interested in him but after the cold shoulder, we got her a nice registered morgan mare for free. part of his un-adoptability is not allowing him to leave the dallas area, i know it’s a pain to check on a horse 3 hours away, but if an excellent owner, with vet and lots of “horsey” references shows up……?
Sadly Tori’s stallion Moonlight Money Maker was featured in the Arabian horse magazines article on sabino arabins last year. Shes gotten alot of publicity from that and the Sonora thing (btw there is a lawsuit pending on that sale). So no big suprise that this has come to light as well.
Shartomar Arabians “making a splash in the Arabian gene pool”
Can someone please change the pool filter or at least get a skimmer ?
WTH is with that picture?
While the person checking out the laws about the landlord taking her horses also check something out for me?
I’d like to know if I can sue the cast of characters from this blog for causing severe depression, naseua and splitting headaches? I’d like to go riding all day too, can you let me know if it qualifies for disability.
Cathy- Seriously glad you added that comment about the only big picture she will get is the velvet Elvis one, cracked me up and made the rest of this a little easier to deal with. Totally stealing that line by the way.
Backyard Breeder Alert and great stud too
http://austin.craigslist.org/grd/1605507258.html
Hey guys,
Miss Tory has been busily posting the following this week for her POS stallion:
February breeding special to Moonlight Money Maker, a rare black splash sabino Arabian with blue eyes. See his webpage for additional information about him, including new photos taken Janaury 2010 at: http://www.shatormararabians.com/moonlightmoneymaker.html
MMM’s regular 2010 stud fee is $1000 PB / $750 others. This special is to breed 3 mares for only $1000-that’s approximately $333 per mare! Three breedings may be used the 2010 to 2012 breeding seasons for 3 different mares or you may breed the same mare 3 years in a row. Live foal guarantee. Breed by AI or we will do limited live cover at our farm in NW PA. First come, first serve. Must be paid in full by February 28, 2010. Payment by cash, known check, credit card through paypal or paypal bank transfer. Contract can be seen/printed from:
http://www.shatormararabians.com/mmmFebruary2010special
Or contact Tory at 724-342-2007 or shatormararabians@yahoo.com to have a contract mailed to you.
I haven’t been to the webpage for a while, so I went to check it out and Holy Geebus on a stick!
Check this out and tell me honestly that this is DEFINITELY stallion quality?????? http://www.shatormararabians.com/stmmocha.html
Yup, cuz he’s got such purty spots!! Why don’t you feed the poor thing so I can actually see the freakin’ lace spots instead of the poor thing’s pelvic bones jutting out????
Would you not run screaming if you pulled in with your trailer and your mare and saw what those pics show?
I’d probably pull in and be all ignorant and say: “Where are the Arabians?”
I had a son of Bey Shah, got him at an auction for $1000 and you could still easily see why his sire had a 20 page spread in Arabian Horse World. He was GORGEOUS, just being sold at the wrong place and wrong time in front of people who didn’t know what he was pedigree-wise or appreciate the Arabian breed. I don’t see anything on that page that looks Arabian to me, and if I wanted to see spots, I could look up at the sun for free.
I know this has been asked but i have to ask again…..how can Tori be on disability and “sell” horses and breedings to her stallion wrecks ???? Isn’t this illegal in addition to being totally f***ing WRONG ????
Here is another recent abuse case in Virginia…the guy actually got convicted. Same scenario…..repeat offender. I know who this guy is….he’s a jerk and a liar.
Michael Wilkerson
Jail time for Michael Wilkerson
This discussion of working the system really hits home for me because I have had several grooms who were on every social program known to God and man, yet one drove a brand new Durango and ran out to buy every fancy new gadget released, and another one was on disability while doing farm work!!!! They want for nothing, breed fugly horses and dogs, and milk the system. I can’t afford to run out and buy the crap that they get, and I work an honest 60 hours a week training my horses. AND, I am the biggest liberal Democrat EVER, but it makes me sick to see people work the system while people who need the help get neglected.
I don’t know why people think people with disabilities are getting rich. I have a truly disabled family member who I know for a fact gets $660 a month from SSI. That is the standard payment for SSI….you don’t get more than that. Can you imagine trying to get by on $660 a month? Even if you got some food stamps and rent $$$ you still would be living very poorly.
Regular SS disabilty probably pays more….but still, not enough to get rich.
I do agree though that if you can ride, muck manure and haul hay and water around you are probably fit enough to work.
Were you paying your grooms “under the table” and therefore contributing to allowing them to abuse the system? If you were reporting their income to the IRS the welfare and disability payments would have stopped.
I don’t pay anyone anything.. . never have. I am on the payrole. I definitely do not have the money, guts, or stress tolerance to be a farm owner/trainer. I train and pull a salary. I know that nobody is getting rich off of disability, but I have personally seen people who work the system and seem to treat social programs ass free money for the taking. Meanwhile, the people who really need help are left out in the cold. They don’t even get enough to live off of. To me, that is so sad. I think that if the users weren’t using, then the legit people could get what they really need.
TRUE THAT. My father-in-law had Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma, lung cancer, a brain tumor, a steel rod in his spine, and had worked 50-60 hour weeks FOREVER before finally giving in and applying for disability. I can’t believe how LONG it took and how degrading the process was. I believe it was somewhere approaching 2 YEARS before he saw a dime.
Meanwhile, I remember being in class with this freakshow woman who claimed she was a graphic designer, had her own business doing tacky Christian publications, even had her logo & business emblazoned on her truck. She could walk, talk, read, go to class, do homework, drive… yet she was on FULL disability. Oh, and bragged about it, along with being CHRISTIAN. I’ve met others in the same boat: the Dog Lady who lived near me, who somehow took (very good) care of about 10 dogs, walked them everywhere, could hold a coherent conversation and keep her house decent, and…. was on FULL disability. Don’t get me started on the horror stories I heard when my mother-in-law worked for Head Start. Let’s just say, plenty of people really don’t deserve to have children. And a lot of kids out there are doomed.
I’m a big fat liberal, too, but when people milk the system like that, I want to punch them in the mouth.
Because being a big, fat liberal has given me a sense of civic duty, which I’ve found sadly lacking amongst many self-identified Rabid Conservatives.
OMG!! Ithink I KNOW Tory Morgan! At least I did- she used to be into model horses and held a show about ten years ago. There was something “not quite right” even back then… I can’t tell you what it was, but I DO remember that feeling she gave me. Creepy…
Too bad she didn’t stay into models- they don’t starve to death, and can’t reproduce, either.
I agree completely! I love all the online horse breeding games because I keep hoping they will divert people from the real thing.
This is the same Tory as in the models? OMG, I remember her too. Didn’t she and another woman hook up to try and sell off a bunch of really badly painted resins for big bucks? That was like 8-10 years ago? I too remember her as being a bit “off”.
OMG it is the same Tory Morgan. I looked on the MH$P model sales site and she is listing a bunch of model horses for sale.
Major LOL’s!
I OWN and RUN one of those ‘online breeding games’ hehe. I’m ALWAYS looking for more active members! I have ages from 15 on up to mid 40′s playing right now = any and all breeds allowed. hehe.
So, for those that want to play horsie and breed… and hey you know I shortened the gestation time from 11 months to about 2 weeks… so you ‘get’ your foals so much faster!
OOOhhh… AND I let you start off with free money too!!!!!
Come one come all, have fun, ‘breed’ ‘show’, and whatever… and NO FEED BILL NEEDED!
No joke!
http://equusunlimited.yolasite.com
Wow. Just wow. I don’t understand people, I really don’t.
I have nothing to say about Dean, except I wish she would just fall in a hole and die. Really.
As for that poor man, I believe he technically would own them depending on how long she has failed to pay board. In any other case, that would be defaulting, I’m pretty sure, although I am far from a legal expert. He has the right to sell off her horses at such a point, and he should do so. Not only would they find better homes, but they would no longer be multiplying! And a bonus, the man would make back his money. He could sell them at $500 or less a piece and make around $15,000, give or take. I certainly would…
*bangs head against desk* We need stronger animal protection laws.
That Bedonna farm has a stallion that claims to be homozygous for roan–I was always told that homozygous roan is lethal. Has that been proven wrong?
FUGS–This scares me.
I was sent this little site. It’s how to save money on horse care. She tells the reader they can easily do things like float their own horses’ teeth. Oh, and watching a 30 minute video gives you all you need to know about trimming your own horses feet.
http://www.fairytale-horses.com/save_money_report.htm
That looks like a future blog. Good grief.
Actually… aside from the idea that one can float their horses teeth.. and it only needs to be done once every 2! years… and the hoof trimming part of it… *major FAIL*….
The *rest* of it really isn’t that bad. _Some_ of it is actually decent ideas for saving money. For instance, the Contracted Hoof/ Cracked Hoof home remedy didn’t sound that horrible, and very easy to make. Cheap too. While I wouldn’t go about following every single suggestion on there, most of them seem harmless enough.
And she/he/it? makes a point about not feeding worms, but feeding the horse, and that paste wormers are very common and safe to use, while being highly cost effective vs. a twice yearly tube worming.
As with everything, common sense is needed, but in all the ideas weren’t that hideous.
The article didn’t start out too bad, and then O.O. Sometimes you *can* just hear the trainwreck coming.
Geez, at work I watch people all day trying to master the fine art of swiping a credit card through the terminal. “Which way do you turn it? Ohhh, the diagram and the glowing arrows are too hard to understand. What’s the magnetic strip? Oh, you mean the part where you sign your name. I had to swipe my card three times for it to work, and I need to speak to a manager now cause I’m going to be charged triple by your dumb machine!” Yeah, I really don’t think the general population should be doing anything like their own farrier work.
No, homozygous roan isn’t lethal.
But, as a general comment to the people that do these things, I do believe that stupid should hurt. A lot. And often.
Not that I’m condoning violence, but…
Yeah, Stupid should hurt.
The owner of a roan stud we looked at insisted homozygous roan was lethal, and I never checked it out for myself. (I wasn’t the one who dreamed of a roan baby.) Course, the guy also tried to tell us his Tennessee Walking Horse stud trotted and paced cause he was “athletic” and that people preferred that in a horse. Um, no, we weren’t born yesterday. Gaited horses aren’t my specialty, but I know a gaited horse should actually gait. So clearly we shouldn’t have believed anything the man told us.
Best horse I ever owned I bought off of a guy whose pasture was full of “It may be junk to you, but it’s treasure to me”. The horse had spent 4 years there and didn’t have one cut or scrape on him. I figured he must have a good mind… and he did. I miss him.
Off topic, but what do you think about these guys? http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/against-equestrian-sport.html
It’s a petition suggesting banning a lot of equestrian sports. I think they’re taking it too far
I think that FHOTD did a post on this guy a couple of years ago-his philosophy is to get horses to cooperate with no coercion of any type, but his website definately showed him doing Darwin Award worthy stuff
In Virginia, court records are online. You can see where Terry Lynn Sullivan went to court in 1998 for “Animal Cruelty” and she appealed to circuit court and was found guilty. She was sentenced to six months with all six months suspended. She got a $500 fine. On the same day she also faced a charge called “Forfeiture of Horses” which only lists the status as “Continued.” In 2008 she appealed another cruelty charge and was found guilty again…this time with a 12 month sentence and six months suspended. Since it was a misdemeanor, she would have only done half of her sentence in jail which would have been three months.
She’s also been taken to court along with Fern Leigh Equine Research Foundation several times by a guy named Kevin B. Johnson.
She also likes to drive uninspected vehicles, speed, and drive on a suspneded license. (is it me, or is this a common theme with animal abusers…they don’t pay their bills and they break DMV rules all the time?) I think they are missing the part of the brain that involves responsibility and consequences.
I don’t see any current cruelty charges but maybe they haven’t been filed yet.
Another faux rescue? http://cajuncountryranch.webs.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=68140618
Why do so many people think horses can live in a junkyard?
Is it really THAT hard to pick up your crap & take it to the dump?
Wow! I can’t believe the junk in their pastures, and the condition of some of their horses up for “adoption”…not good at all.
I did a google search and found another site where Tory has a bunch of her horses listed for sale: http://www.horseclicks.com/horses/seller13947/1/
Seems lke she’s asking a lot of money for a bunch of unbroken horses, one is 17 another is twenty years old and said it was ridden at age 4, not since. Love the “psuedo palomino” she has listed (its a sorrel with a flaxen mane, you idiot!). She has “must sell” listed on many of the adds, also one is listed will trade for a truck. Also, nice to see she invested a WHOLE THIRTY DAYS getting her unhandled stallion trained. He will go far with that.
I don’t begrudge anyone for getting disability. It’s hard to get on it. People who are disabled don’t always look it.
A friend of mine routinely gets yelled at for parking in the disabled parking spaces, when she looks able-bodied. She usually just smiles and pulls up her pants leg to show that one of her legs is artificial, then thanks the person for helping to make sure that the parking spots are reserved for the disabled.
I also have a relative who has type 1 diabetes, which is causing the nerves in her lower legs to shut down. She qualifies for disability, though she’s not on it yet.
On the other hand, taking care of horses is hard work. If someone is too disabled to work for a living, they’re too disabled to work with livestock. Either they’re not physically equipped or not mentally equipped to handle a lot of horses. Take your pick. If she’s too disabled to take care of her horses, then they should be taken away from her.
Personally, I would like to see people with narcissistic personality disorder and antisocial personality disorder qualify for disability, so that I would no longer have to deal with such monsters at work.
I was googling Sabino Arabians not long ago and came across Tory’s site. I’d forgotten that SHE was the target of controversy, but I was spectacularly underwhelmed by her horses.
Has even ONE of them ever been shown???? ANYWHERE??? Done endurance, even? Competed in any event where a disinterested and qualified 3rd party could evaluate them?
Judging by her horrific equitation and shitty tack……. NO.
As for the overstallioned Bedonna lady…. I do like Our Cash Policy, from the shoulder on back. Very athletic.
But what’s up with that Zach Blue horse?!!?!?!?
“This person flew all over the U.S. and Canada following her. ON FULL DISABILITY. Damn, take the checks away already and at least keep them home where all they can do is post crazy stuff online!”
Some forms of “disability” are means tested. Others are not. Some people who qualify for a non-means-tested disability have money because of a legal settlement from the injury that led to their disability, or have inherited money from a family member.
Well it is the year of the tiger so I say we attack with ferocity and pounce on anything we dont feel comfortable with. Lets kick it off with a slew of letters to the head honchos and then getting out there and helping our law enforcement and AC officers with documentation and reporting abuse when we see it the first time not the 200th time!!
http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/grd/1606805747.html
Okay someone adept at screen capture…grab that sucker.
A horse whose “pedigree ALONE is worth 1K” What sort of ink is it? is the paper gold? LMBO
FHOTD- Inspired by you, I googled a woman that I rescued an almost dead baby donkey from almost seven years ago. I turned over darn good evidence to AC and she was raided, animals were seized, and, I thought, she was closed down. Well, guess what? She’s still there. Is anyone in the Virginia Beach area and interested in checking into a monkey/crazy color (Applaoosa)/donkey/exotic animal breeder?
The only good news is that her little monkey breeding business was monitored closely and she was nailed by a quarantine but even that isn’t stopping her from making many, many, more animals.
Someone please check into this. For the sake of this donkey. He’s fine now, but here’s picture of the day after I bought him:
http://s19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/lonesomepinefarm/Tribute%20to%20Ellie/?action=view¤t=scan001001.jpg
Here’s a link to her Spellbound facility:
http://www.exoticanimalsforsale.net/animalbreeders/virginia-animal-breeders.asp
Please, please someone check into this. I am too far away now in Florida.
I have been reading Fugly for about two years now, and only rarely do I feel the need to make a comment. However, this topic has struck near and dear and for what its worth, here I am.
The disability issue is what is getting me to respond today. My husband and I have been married for well over 5 years now, and approx. 2 years into our marriage, he developed some niggling low back pain. It wasn’t anything horrible, but he did go get it ‘checked out by the doctor’, and while I’ll spare a long 3 years worth of details, he’s now been diagnosed with Degenerative Disk Disease (progressive, aggressive, and while non-terminal, it means his back will NEVER recover), *8* Herniated disks, and I’m not even going to get into the chronic severe pain he suffers with daily – plus a miriyad of other problems that are directly or indirectly caused/related to the problems in his spine. He’s NOT overweight, but hasn’t worked in at least 2 years now.
We filed a disability claim about six months after his issues started, (2 years ago plus) and… this upcoming WEDNESDAY, will be his Hearing. We’ve had two denials, been told by countless doctors that “it was all in his head* when the PROOF was right there in the multiple MRI’s on the desk in front of them, should they actually read it.
Having gone through the last two years, with a very well known, respectable SSD attorney who specializes in Chronic Pain Patients, I cannot even imagine how some of the recipients of SSD are awarded it!
His medical records file from JUST the last 2 years is almost a FOOT THICK. ALL of it is evidence that his back is trashed, will not get better, and basically because he’s not a surgical candidate *another long story*, he’s doomed to suffer without relief of any kind for the rest of his life.
He’s got three kids under 16 to care for, not to mention supporting himself and myself. (though I do work and bring in the only income we have besides Food Stamp bennies).
The idea that someone would go through the full 2 years of denials and appeals and doctor after doctor after doctor…. and have not a single person catch the fact that they aren’t what they say they are speaks to me of how broken our system really is.
We have no idea if the hearing on Wed will go in our favor or not. The lawyer says we have nothing to worry about, yet we can’t help BUT worry what will happen if he’s not awarded SSD.
And then the idea that these …. humans …. are doing what they are doing with the horses is enough for me to contemplate Very. Bad. Thoughts.
*sigh*
I am doing my little small part in trying to help with the over population problem… my own mare (whom I no longer have) was offered the opportunity to be bred to a local stallion, so the stallion owner could ‘find out if he made good babies’. Never mind that my mare was lame in three legs due to ringbone, navicular, and a mild club foot, was either at once point registered with AQHA and papers lost – or never registered in the first place – and was ALREADY a successful embryo transfer (re-set mare) popping out babies for other breeds. She was around 12, and had done nothing BUT have babies for the last estimated 5 or 6 years.
I wanted to slap the stallion owner in the face … never once bothered to look at her website, so I don’t know who or what the stallion was / looked like. Just what she said was enough to generate a resounding NO to her.
And well, following the thought through… when I lost my job, and could no longer care for her, she was ‘donated’ back to her previous owner, and is now simply doing nothing – but at least shes being fed well, and any vet needs are taken care of.
Guess we can’t have it all, can we.
It’s so frustrating hearing about people who take advantage of seniors. My barn owner is a 80+ year old man who is the sweetest guy ever. He still breeds (only 1-2 foals a year of very high quality champion cutting lines) and trains. The foals are in extremely high demand in my area, they are bought before the mare is even bred, and there is a waiting list. Not only this, but the poor man just got out of his second cancer surgery. So, time isn’t something he has a lot of. But every year, we have boarders who bring their horses, pay board a couple times and then disappear. It takes a few months before the barn owners decides to repossess them, so by that time the horses have been standing in a 12×12 for literally months. But luckily there is a happy ending for every horse. The barn owner either makes them into lesson horses, or gives them to his niece to train and sell. But it’s just so sad… but I guess it’s better than leaving them in a place where they’ll starve. The horses get fed at our barn no matter what.
Off Topic ~
This woman is a know nothing local Friesian breeder who is trying to pimp out a 3 y/o filly. She needs to be stopped.
http://annarbor.craigslist.org/grd/1608087156.html
Heh, you guys are right. My computer didn’t load the rest of the page, so I didn’t get to see anything other than the first shot of him. He is awfully butt-high, but if you were to lower the rump and shorten the back a bit, I think he’d be gorgeous. It’s not just the colour doing it for me, he looks like something I’d enjoy riding, plus I like the wide butt and bulldog jaw.
On Bedonna-
I have a mare that is bred to Our Cash Policy and due to foal with in the next month. Cash is a very lovely stallion with a great temperament and quiet mind. I talked with my friend today who manages the Firestone ranch down here in my town, she also helped manage his breeding career. i informed her of who and what Bedonna is/has done. I asked if the deal was final and she told me no. I am going to discuss with her of maybe me purchasing Cash tomorrow and either barrel race on him or allow him to stand stud back at her ranch. i’m hoping she’ll be able to sell him to me instead as I don’t want to see him and his future be flushed down the drain with crappy breeding practices.
Hey, jusy thought I’d add that I bought my TB as a boarder abandoned horse. That is after the BO tried breeding her and discovered that she required a full 90 days of regumate to maintain pregnancy. I also used her as my english lesson horse for 2 years. Silly girl has no issue trotting a 3.5 ft fence.
I work in the “Mental Health” field. I also have a family member who is bi-polar. The mental health spectrum of what qualifies as legitimate disabling criteria is very easily manipulated/misunderstood and has been in need of a major overhaul for almost 30 yrs. Are their people who are milking and scamming the system and doing so at our hard working,tax paying expense? ABSOLUTELY,however there are many people who are legitimately unable to work as well.
No one IMO should be able to abuse children or animals nor should children or animals have to suffer simply because they have no ability to STOP what is happening to them. They need OUR help,voices,outrage,and ability to make the changes necessary.I’m not preaching here folks but if it makes you mad,sad,angry whatever……do something about it if you are able to. Make phone calls, be visible,show up at hearings,volunteer. We all have the ability to do good.
I wish people could get it through their minds to reduce the number of horses that they are breeding. The place I work at has horses that are worth hundreds of thousands of dollars, and we don’t have any new babies on the ground this spring. Its the most responsible thing to do, even though they rarely sell a horse, and even though if they did have babies on the ground they would sell really well. I’ve been told by the other people that have worked at this place for years that the most babies they’ve ever had is 5. Amazing how a place with high quality studs worth a half a million can control themselves, but people with $200 studs can’t. I firmly believe you should need a permit to own an intact male of any breed/speices.
“Amazing how a place with high quality studs worth a half a million can control themselves, but people with $200 studs can’t.”
It’s so true. And it’s one reason I won’t go radical and discourage the good breeders entirely because, damn it, I don’t want the horse population in 20 years to look like an equine version of the People of Walmart blog. I want good horses to keep on existing! Just not so many of them…just reduce the supply, folks, pay attention to the economy, back off it for a bit.
I hate to say this, because I don’t mean to make a sweeping generalization, but in my line of work, I deal with a lot of customers who are people who receive disability. Some actually need it, of course. But a lot of others… I really have to wonder if fat-lazy-stupid has become accepted as a reasonable excuse not to work and stay home collecting a check. Honestly I can’t understand how exactly they are “disabled”. Interacting with them, they appear completely healthy, and totally with it mentally.
One guy I’m dealing with, he is basically just a complainer and has a temper. He gets a job, finds out it’s work and that it’s somewhat upleasant, and quits. When asked why the job didn’t last, he says something like “it just didn’t work out.” It doesn’t bother him that much that his rent, car payment, etc. go unpaid for a while. When he starts receiving eviction or repo notices, he feels HE is the victim. This guy is totally healthy and does manual labor on the side for friends/family to make a few bucks. He told me he’s going to apply for disability. Does the fact that he is irresponsible qualify him to receive disability??
It makes me so angry because people on disability don’t get much to actually live on. If every one of these scammers was kicked out of the program, that would be a lot more money to go around for the people who are ACTUALLY disabled.
That is it – being against disability scamming doesn’t mean you’re against people who are genuinely disabled. In fact, those of us who feel this way are FOR those people, because we WANT them to have services they’re genuinely entitled to. That cannot happen when the funds get sucked up by people who don’t want to work. Sorry, but being a jerk who can’t hold a job is not a disability.
Here’s an update on the Terry Sullivan situation that I found on virginiaequestrian.com –there is also a picture of one of the seized horses
Terry Sullivan Update Augusta County, VA
okay, i have two things to say. first is about how you people think you know about disabilities. there is such a disability known as fibryalsia. it is a bdisability of the nervous system. second is, if you can ride , which is quite popular as a form of physical therapy, you can actually help to deter the cancer.
I have to say, I really like Tories Stallion. I’d buy him straight off if I was in america, provided of course he is sound and sane. He looks like he’d make an adorable gelding.