Cheap out — and you’ll pay the price!
Jan 18 2010
Once upon a time, there was a young stallion. He was a perlino tobiano, so of course his owner thought that alone made him testicle-worthy, despite the fact that his pedigree was many generations of Ain’t Dun Shit crossed upon Won’t Spot Me Showing. Yes, you had to go back to the fourth generation to find a horse who had accomplished anything more than being a pretty color. But hey, pedigree be damned, Proud Owner believed Perlino Tobiano was the best thing ever and wanted the world to know it. So she registered him with the usual parade of goofy pointless shit like the International Cream Horse Registry and started advertising him everywhere as a Krazy Kolor Breeder’s dream stallion.
Proud Owner, apparently having some recognition of the fact that her horse had accomplished less in life than Kevin Federline, considered her options. She could send Perlino Tobiano out to a professional trainer with a proven record of success and references and a nice barn for $700 – $1000 per month. Ouch. Proud Owner, who claims to looooove her horse like crazy, apparently did not love him QUITE enough to part with that kind of cash, so like many people who shouldn’t be breeding horses throughout the world, she looked for a way to cheap out — and she thought she found it in her acquaintance. We’ll call her Idiot Twentysomething Bitch.
ITB had all the stereotypical hallmarks of her kind. She thought she was a trainer (but couldn’t point to a single successfully trained horse, much less a show horse). She claimed to “rescue” from the auction (and then bred damn near every mare she ever dragged home). She couldn’t be bothered to groom, treat injuries or clean stalls reliably. But HEY – she was free! She offered to take Perlino Tobiano over to her place and train and show him in exchange for keeping the stud fees. Off he went.
(Allow me to note, at this point, that ITB’s place is a whopping one-hour drive from PO’s place)
PO, though she looooooves her horsie, could not apparently be bothered to drive over and check on his welfare, so he sat at ITB’s for 8 months while ITB proceeded to:
(a) brag about him a lot on the Internet;
(b) advertise him like crazy;
(c) breed him to every shitter mare she dragged home from the Enumclaw auction; and
(d) otherwise, do nothing with him.
ITB also tried to promote herself on various local message boards, like the SAFE one, where she wound up getting her ass handed to her for standing a stallion at stud that hadn’t done shit and therefore backyard breeding while claiming to rescue. But when the auctionhorses board arrived, hey, now she had a playground! A wonderful place where snarky posts were deleted and no one was allowed to question her good intentions! This further emboldened the ITB and, despite the fact that she had NO FREAKING PLAN for how to support the horses she already had, she “adopted” a cheap Arabian stallion called Exxtra Perception off of Craigslist and dragged him home too. Then she whined to the board for gelding money and I’m pretty sure she got it.
Alas, cheapy Arab stallion (who was actually a cute little sucker for an unbroke 14 year old and I admit my friend and I thought really hard about rescuing him ourselves – unfortunately for him, we didn’t go for it) didn’t live long enough to have his brain surgery. At ITB’s shithole farm, Perlino Tobiano got loose one night and the stallions fought. Cheapy Arab broke a leg and had to be put to sleep. Perlino Tobiano was injured. ITB ran around the auctionhorses board making excuses for being a shitty excuse for a human being and a pathetic excuse for a horse caretaker. I have problems, I’m on Prozac, I have family drama, I don’t have any money, wah, wah, whine, whine.
Allow me to insert: HORSES DO NOT WANT TO BE OWNED OR CARED FOR BY PEOPLE WITH MAJOR PROBLEMS WHO CANNOT EVEN TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES! If you are f’ed up, and many people are at some point in their life for a variety of reasons, RESCUE YOURSELF FIRST! I have nothing but respect for people who admit, hey, I have X issue and I need to get help. I have zero respect for people who self-medicate their emotional black hole by rescuing animals they cannot care for.
Anyway…so NOW, finally, Proud Owner figures out that it might be time to go check on her horse. And – shocker of all shockers! – he looks like shit. He’s crusty and muddy, he’s infested with lice, his eyelid is gone from the fight with the other stud and he’s got an oozing infected abscess on his tail. So now Proud Owner is running all over the Internet outing the ITB, which of course I fully support because god knows nobody else needs to give her a horse…
“The top part of his eye lid was gone .. so there was nothing to stitch .. but why wasnt a known vicious stallion not in a better secure stall??  What about the condition of the rest on him?? The months its going to take to get him healthy again and back to proper weight and condition and worming him and getting rid of the lice?? NOT ONCE HAS SHE SAID SHE WAS EVEN SORRY!! Just excuses!”
Proud Owner is justifiably upset. I’d have a shit fit if a horse I owned looked like this, However, Proud Owner needs to look in the mirror and recognize her part in this. She is the one who cheaped out and allowed herself to believe that somehow a totally unqualified individual was going to get her stallion trained and shown. Oh, and this was going to cost her nothing. That’s cute. What’s next, Robert Pattinson shows up on your doorstep and proposes out of the blue because you came to him in a dream? IF IT SOUNDS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE…DUH! It’s not that the most expensive trainer is the best trainer, far from it, but talented people who can do the job just do NOT do it for free. If Proud Owner had simply spent the money, by now her horse could easily have a ROM or better on him, and she would have a reason to be proud. Instead she is paying vet bills, the horse has suffered permanent cosmetic damage, and on top of that he’s going to have a ton of fugly 2010 foals running around because of the crap mares ITB bred to him. At this point she might as well geld him, send him to a decent trainer to turn him into a riding horse for her, and be grateful she got him back alive.
What a clusterfuck, on all sides. The only one I really feel sorry for is the horse, because months of suffering could have been avoided if P.O. could have put her butt in her car and driven one lousy hour to check up on him. (Or, you know, put him in training with any of the various trainers who DO take exceptional care of their training horses) I will never in a million years understand people who send their horse off to training and don’t visit. I am typing this on the plane on the way home from just such a visit — one where I found a happy, healthy, sane horse in perfect weight and without a mark on him. Do I get it for free? Hell no. But it’s money well spent and it’s worth every damn penny.
Seriously – has ANYBODY out there ever gotten quality, breed-show level training and showing accomplished without cash up front? Does not count if the person is your spouse or significant other, ha ha. Proud Owner’s excuse is that she had two little boys and a husband in boot camp. Do you think that might not be the optimum time in your life to embark upon ownership of a young stallion that needs to be shown and promoted, perhaps? You know, if you want a stallion, there are plenty of totally finished ones that already have their show record up for grabs these days, at fabulously affordable prices. Doing it from scratch is expensive, and short-cuts and penny-pinching lead to bad results — whether you’re rushing your trainer in an attempt to save money, cheaping out on unqualified training, or using a trainer who employs illegal or unethical methods to get your horse into the show ring more quickly. Do it right, or please don’t do it at all. I’m pretty sure that’s what Blu would say right now.
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Holy Crap! As I saw the first photo, I thought, “That is a good looking horse!” in spite of his lack of credentials. Shame on that P.O. for trying to cut corners.
Sad for the poor Arab that had to be euthed because of T.S.B irresponsible actions. I believe that if P.O. had more common sense, that stallion could have been something. *sighs*
Check out these photos of her (Idiot “Trainer”) mares from her facebook account:
http://tinyurl.com/y8qvd3s
My comments on this palomino paint mare: Weirdly shapen nose, stretch limo back, odd neck to shoulder coupling, what’s up with that teeny tiny butt and, while I like a nice uphill horse – this mare is clearly not built correctly, she should have a more even butt to withers line. But she’s a nice color.
http://tinyurl.com/y94kqtl
My comments on this bay mare: SKINNY, SKINNY, SKINNY, possibly has okay confirmation but it’s hard to tell with her being so skinny. But she’s got color!
Also I wouldn’t lump all “20 somethings” together. Her age has nothing to due with her mental problems/animal abuse/lack of responsibility. At 20something, you know better. Hell at 15 I knew better.
Don’t worry, I blog plenty about Idiot Fiftysomething Bitches. Look at Dean Solomon!
And – GAH – neither of those mares should EVER be duplicated in ANY way!
I think the paly looks like a giraffe…and the paint is THIN….
FHOTD, could you please do a blog on horse transportation? I’m looking to have a horse shipped 1,500 miles and the horror stories make me want to go get her myself!
I sure will, and I’ll do it this week. It’s like anything else though – do your research, TALK to references, and googling the person’s or company’s name is never a bad idea! That said, I had a bad experience myself but in a way it taught me what to ask for the future, so I can definitely talk about that. (Hint: Find out how direct the trip will be! I thought I had a 10 hour trip booked and my poor horses were on the trailer for nearly three days. But it was my fault for not asking.)
Ask if your horse will be traveling alone or with another horse(s)? If its traveling with other horses, how do they ensure that your horse will not be kicked or injured by the other horses? How often do they stop to let the horses have water? And all the other stuff…….references, how long have they been in business, what kind of truck and trailer are they using? Do they have a back up plan if the truck breaks down? You can never been too cautious or ask too many questions. If they don’t like answering questions…..move on.
When you do move her, make sure you’re moving her with a reputable company that has been doing it for a long time (such as Equine Express). They may cost a little more, but it will be worth it when your horse arrives safe and sound.
Also, a friend of mine moved her horse cross country and had him tubed with water by the vet before he went. I’ve never heard of anyone else doing it, and haven’t done it myself, but it may be worth asking your vet about.
I have to ask: “tubed with water” means what?
IV’ed I’ll assume.
Or a nasal tube to fill the stomach with water. Never heard of doing that, but it IS one way to get water to the system to keep all things moving right along and keep the horse hydrated.
Yes, she used a nasal tube to fill the stomach with water. Much like you would tube a horse with mineral oil if it was colicking. Like I said, I have no idea if it works or if it’s worth doing. I just have a friend who did it, and thought it might be worth asking a vet about. By the way, the horse reached his destination, two days later, a happy, healthy horse.
Tubed with water means that a naso-gastric tube is passed (like when your horse colics) and water is pumped through the tube and into the stomach. It is to prevent dehydration, although I have never gone that route.
That sounds more stressful then it’s worth IMO, unless the horse is actually dehydrated. I would probably feed soaked beet pellets myself, that’s what a lot of endurance riders do. Fills the stomach with food and water just fine.
Personally I have had great results with Nobody’s Business Farm, owned by Kevin Hennessy, and based in eastern PA. This company has always done an excellent job of hauling, with well-rested, experienced drivers, a fleet of rigs on the road, and drivers who are also horse people. They are always on time, kind to the horses, and take great care to be sure that the horses get haybags refilled and plenty of water stops. I know because I have hauled with them, myself
That’s funny, Equine Express is the main company I was looking at. I’ve gotten a couple of quotes, and they’ve been the cheapest so far. I’ve seen nothing but positive reviews about them, but the horror stories about some of the other companies scare the crap out of me regardless!
Poor horse. Lets think of how this story should read…….nice gelding with cute coloring living it up at home with his owners. So sad. Did ya notice how he’s still on the idiot’s website listed under Stallions? Ahh…wonder what she would say if I called her up and asked about his stud fee?? Or better yet, can she send me an up-to-date photo of what I would be breeding to? Hmmmm….
That and ask about her Arabian (which is still up on the website); breeding fees, pictures, etc., and see how she responds. Hehe…
I knew something was wrong with the person, despite the fact that it was posted here, by the way the stable looks on the home page. Something about the building screamed that something was wrong…
I just watched the show “hoarders”, they don’t think they are doing anything wrong, and I’m pretty sure that is the same mindset here. My god, and I thought my horses and house got messy! Just horrible! I think the stud was nice enough in the beginningSad
Hey, Fugs
Thanks for posting this. I’ve said similar things to people recently. There was a scandal about a horse trainer who had 10 dead horses on his property and he was apprehended after Christmas. Of course, when the news reports came out, the complaints dated back a whole year, and the local response is to tar and feather animal control. The thing is, people were sending their horses to this guy for training. As a horse owner who has always had to board her horse, I feel that anyone who sends their horse somewhere for training and does not follow up IN PERSON at least once a month (although I feel once a week is much better) is just as much to blame as the person who is legally charged. People need to take responsibility and take accountability for their actions!
Anyway, thanks for the posts
WOW what a clusterfuck on both ends…owner and “supposed trainer”. When my TB stallion was competing for his perfomance record and accomplishments he was at the professional trainers farm for the first 6 months as a 4yr.old.
He was already started and well on his way training wise before getting there.It was $1250.00 per month which was board and training only.This did not include show fees,trailering expenses,shoes or show prep costs. The $1250.00 for him was more than the mortgage on our own farm.Was it worth it?….YOU BET every damn dollar worth it.I have a horse today that is as close to perfect as I could ask for,both he and I got better training and accomplished more than I could ever have done with him on my own (I work 40+ hrs.per week).I also formed a great owner/trainer relationship and can now keep my guy at home and go to trainers for tuneups or prep for big shows at a MUCH more AFFORDABLE price. What’s the old saying…..you get what you pay for. It certainly is true.
Someone going down the Right road.
Shit, I WISH my mortgage payment was only $1250 a month. That would be awesome.
Maybe I should do what a lot of rescues/private parties are doing around here. I’ll take in a bunch of horses from the auction or animal control, beg for money, charge each horse $200 – $300 for boarding (not including food or hired help of course) and then use the money to pay my mortgage. That is OK isn’t it? I would be helping the horses after all. I’d be a saint!
OMG! This trainer is advertising herself as a “trainer’s trainer” ARGH! To think that future “trainers” are learning the trade from her!! SCARY! http://www.barberperformancepaints.com/trainatrainer.html
That is such a shame but I know it happens more than we like to think. It is so VERY important for horse owners to keep track of what is going on with their horse.
theres ways to get training by a good trainer even if you cannot afford it! alot of trainers appriciate a helping hand around the barn thats what i did i cleaned stalls and fed horses and such for him my husband did mechanical work for him in exchange for training on my horse. my horse was well cared for and happy i saw him nearly every day since i worked for the trainer it worked well for everyone! my horse was only there maybe 2 months but came home calm and confident doesent act like a freaky spooky dum dum on the trails anymore and placed in every show i rode him in since
While we are on the subject of trainers, I was at a show this weekend and if your trainer is too drunk to walk down the bleachers without almost falling on his ass and can hardly string a sentence together, you might want to consider exactly where your training dollars are going. Just an observation!
That sounds like Quarter Horse Congress a couple of years ago. There was a “trainer” who was riding someone’s pleasure horse in a business suit (complete with high heels) and a drink in one hand and her cigarette and the reins in the other. No helmet, no safety measures of any kind. I was shocked that show officials allowed her to ride like that.
I’m trying to rescue an Icelandic in Hampshire, UK. Anybody around there? If so, email me.
I have been enjoying this site for a long time and have not contributed, today i registered to comment on this topic.
I lived for a couple of years on a horse farm of a big name trainer. (I rented an apartment on his property and did stalls in exchange for rent) I don’t want to reveal any information about the location but so many people would drop their horses off for full training or just plain boarding because of his reputation. Most of these customers NEVER came to the barn and many actually just mailed their board checks, assuming their horses were in good hands.
If you never came to see you horse, your horse was NEVER turned out. I saw horses who were not out of their stalls except for shoeing in years! it was absolutely disgusting! It broke my heart to see these poor animals locked up.
People who brought their horses for “full training” got their horses turned out maybe once a week. Sometimes they were longed but they were not getting the training they were paying for. I remember how excited he was that i was going to rent the apartment from him because I had quite a lot of experience training and riding for some of the big sales barns and trainers in the area. He actually thought i would be like some of the other “barn girls” and ride customers horses for free. I told him that i don’t work for free… he was stunned.
anyway, this jerk retired and boarders had to find new homes for their horses. I hope they are all doing well and outside enjoying some freedom.
THANKS for this site. i really love it~ liz
I consider my trainers to be friends, the kind who can look after each other’s cats or go out drinking together, one is even an old friend from school, and I STILL fully understand that for them to stay in the business they are in, and to do a good job at it, NOTHING is free. Do I find ways to make barters and exchanges as a way of reducing my costs? Well absolutely. But I still pay them for their services. There is still a contract of sorts. Good trainers need to eat, and pay rent, and childcare, and attend clinics and seminars. This is how they finance that.
I am lucky enough to board at a very good full-care barn where good trainers also board and train. Seeing the portion of the trainer fee that is actually board/care get crossed off their standard contracts (since we’re already paying it) only illustrates just how much of a trainer’s cost IS board/care — good feed, safe fencing and shelters, good training ground, vet and farrier, are all crucial to developing a good horse. I also love that “checking on my horse” is a mere matter of walking down an aisle. But if they weren’t so easily accessible, you can BET I’d be checking on them as often as possible.
Right now I’m kind of freaking out because we’re in the process of shipping a horse from another province, and keep losing communications with some key players. We know where the horse is, we’ve got good assurances through highly reliable networks that he’s being handled well, but ANY amount of uncertainty, even on a horse that we have no emotional attachment to yet, is driving me nuts.
Off-Topic
Can anyone tell me any early warning signs of an individual becoming a hoarder, or signs of someone being a hoarder? I’m beginning to think I may know one…
Some of my thoughts:
All the animals are not being properly fed, vetted, hooves done (for horses), etc. either because of finances or because the person is incapable of providing that much care, or a combination of both.
Person does not seem to understand that they have too many – and instead is still open to acquiring more.
Premises where animals are kept is not kept reasonably clean. I.E. stalls not being done a minimum of 6 days per week. Paddocks/runs that are never cleared of manure. In the case of house pets, animals mess in the house and no one cleans it up. The overall impression is that the person is overwhelmed and cannot keep up. The person does not seem to realize how awful their place smells or that this isn’t normal.
The person will not consider adopting animals out OR says s/he will but then backpedals or no adopter is ever good enough.
The person hides animals that have died or that have something wrong with them that is going untreated. In the case of horses, things like putting them in a back field, a shed, or even moving them off the property to conceal them.
This individual has four cats and a dog, but that’s not counting the seven other cats their parents wouldn’t allow them to take with them…
“All the animals are not being properly fed, vetted, hooves done (for horses), etc. either because of finances or because the person is incapable of providing that much care, or a combination of both.”
Well, this sounds exactly like this individual! Complains they haven’t the money to afford groceries but ends up buying a two-hundred dollar phone for their spouse. Left for two days; me and another individual found the cats outside my friend’s door while we were on the phone. Something clicked with me and I said to check on the food. There wasn’t anything left in their bowls and no food for them. Two of the five animals are spayed/neutered; one was given to them that way and someone else, who later gave the animal to them, paid for the spay/neuter. As I know, none of the animals have had their shots. Individual is currently trying to have children and cannot tend to the litter boxes for fear of getting toxoplasmosis (I think that’s the name of it) and tries to harass spouse to taking care of litter boxes who, in turn, does nothing and allows them to rot until someone else does them.
“Person does not seem to understand that they have too many – and instead is still open to acquiring more.”
I do not know whether or not this is true, but the city this individual lives in has a limit of three animals and doesn’t seem fazed by this. This individual also doesn’t have any problems taking them in, even claimed that one of the cats would make ‘beautiful babies’ with their newest kitten. They also do not like to hear that they are in the wrong about keeping these animals.
“Premises where animals are kept is not kept reasonably clean. I.E. stalls not being done a minimum of 6 days per week. Paddocks/runs that are never cleared of manure. In the case of house pets, animals mess in the house and no one cleans it up. The overall impression is that the person is overwhelmed and cannot keep up. The person does not seem to realize how awful their place smells or that this isn’t normal.”
Like I said, litter boxes get pretty bad and there’s…six litter boxes, I think. There have been cases where the dog either vomited, urinated, or pooped and no one would clean it up until one would argue with the other to clean it up. The house itself is pretty bad; the basement, while the animals are kept out of there, is filled with clothes that have been thrown in the basement. Had a HORRIBLE case of fleas with the animals, it was especially bad in the basement…bad enough that your white socks would turn black from walking down there for less than a minute. Mold is growing in the bathroom walls, have not seen floors cleaned in over a year, dirty dishes usually litter the whole kitchen counter with molding food still caked on the plates, and food is usually left out. I will say, though, that this individual has been doing a little more to try to keep the house clean but it doesn’t help that they are usually gone most of the day (one works, the other one doesn’t and the one that doesn’t is the one that disappears) to nowhere in particular. Has been cleaning their parents’ house, though…
“The person will not consider adopting animals out OR says s/he will but then backpedals or no adopter is ever good enough.”
Individual refuses to send any animals found to a shelter because of the chance of the animal being put down and you cannot try to convince them to try to adopt animals out because they will throw a fit saying that you are wrong and know nothing and they’ll declaw the animal which is totally wrong, etc., etc. This individual also has been known to be very aggressive and many who would try to stand up against them are usually afraid of them.
“The person hides animals that have died or that have something wrong with them that is going untreated. In the case of horses, things like putting them in a back field, a shed, or even moving them off the property to conceal them.”
Luckily, this has not happened, though I fear that it may if they get caught…
I am asking because this person also does some pretty bad things to the animals. My best example is when this individual and another held the cat upside-down until it made funny noises and recorded it to share with others. They have always been this way and I can’t take it anymore. There’s a kitten who runs up to me and snuggles against me for attention but runs at the sight of this individual. I can’t talk to them and my last resort may not work. I’ve thought about calling the police about it but I don’t have any proof and, if this person finds out that I’m the one who did it, it will cause God-knows-what. This person has been known to do some petty things to get back at others such as stealing and lying. I’m really surprised that I’m posting this where they can get a hold of this and put two and two together. I don’t know what to do…
Report them. It doesn’t matter if you have evidence or not, if you and everyone who has concerns about their animal care reports them it creates a paper trail. The next time they leave their cats without food or water for days on end definitely report that.
Also, if she does have a kid and her place is not cleaned up report it to the child services division right away. Raising a kid in that kind of filth is neglect, and could be a sign of abuse. The threat of having her kid taken away may make her shape up faster then the threat of having her pets removed. Don’t feel bad about it, you may be saving the baby from being neglected or abused.
Definitely sounds like a hoarder in more than just animals. I’d probably steal the kitten, but I”m not a good person. I’d also report them to ASPCA or whatever you have in the area, and Social Services. Do some research. If their house is unsanitary to that degree there are government divisions you can call. They won’t like you, so you’ll probably need an order of protection if they find out it’s you, but most of these services stick to the “Anonymous tip”
Fugly,
OMG you pegged Dawn to a tee in this comment. Everything you said was happening at her house. LOL. The main thing, as you said, is having to many animals you cannot seem to keep up with (vet visits, feeding, bathing, cleaning up after, etc.)
How about someone who has a numerous assortment of animals, farm and domestic, on a piece of property that is too small? At last count there were at least 25 – 30 animals and the property has other buildings on it taking up usable space. What is a reasonable amount of property to house this many animals where they are not stressed? So far nothing starving to death, although horses look like they get just enough food to not be overly skinny. I have witnessed animals with injuries in the past that were not treated. This person always has excuses and becomes the instant victim when AC comes calling. Multiple stallions on the property and numerous mares and from what I c an tell non of the other animals are fixed. Same story about the so-called know-it-all BYB and “trainer” whose horses don’t have a single show success to their credit, no professional training, and letting other inexperienced people show them for free, and the animals keep coming…… I told my hubby, “one day we are going to read about this in the newspaper, and all I will be able to say is, I tried to do something about it.” IMHO these could be the beginning signs of a hoarder, but I am just observing the behavior and don’t have any actual experience with it.
I’m currently looking for a trainer for my mare. I’ve been saving for over a year now to send her away but now… I don’t know… I’m having a hard time finding a trainer not a horse breaker… I’ve had a few people recomend someone but then tell me I don’t want to watch my horse getting “broke”. Well I’m smart enough to know thats not what I want for Annie… All I really want is someone to help her along her way to being a confident, well mannered trail horse WITHOUT having to beat the snot out of her to do it… Man I’d happily muck out barns for a good trainer lol!
Any time ANY one suggests that you don’t want to watch your horse getting broke, RUN!!!! The first few rides are more crucial to a horse’s training than any other ride for the rest of the horse’s career. As long as the trainer has done their job correctly the first ride is a non-event. Actually sitting on the horse is the easiest part of the process.. the hard part is putting in the time to do all of the bitting, long-lining, etc to get the horse to the point where he feels comfortable in doing his job. It is SO important for that first ride – the first week, really- to be “happy fun time”.
My trainer has a completely open barn policy. As long as it is within business hours, come over any time. Watch your horse’s sessions as much as you want. I am a fan of this. Many trainers hate doing it because you have to deal with drama from owners who do not understand that Pookie may need a whap now and then, but I think you should leave the barn open and occasionally whap those owners.
I’m one of those owners who needs a whap every now and then. My trainer says I’m always too quick to reward and too hesitant to punish. I always allow her to do her job and I never complain that she’s too tough on my boy, but when I’m at the helm during lessons it’s hard for me to be tough on him… I’m getting better though! And so is Zorro
This brings to mind an old saying – You get what you pay for! What a horrible thing to do to a horse. The funny (not in the ha ha sense, of course) thing is, she was willing to allow the “trainer” to breed this guy to anything, and was OK with that! I have to wonder if any of the mares he covered had seen a vet and been checked for diseases, but I think it is safe to say, probably not. Why would you take a stallion you think is good enough to stand at stud, and indiscriminatly breed him to anything? It doesn’t even make good business sense for your future “business”. If I saw a bunch of shitty foals on the ground by a stud with a show record the length of your arm, I still WOULD NOT breed to him, because I would not risk getting a shitty foal of my own. If you cannot afford to train and campaign your horse, you can not afford to stand a stud. No way in hell is that chicks hubby going to make enough money enlisted in the military to support a horse habit, let alone, stand a stud. She needs to raise her kids and wait until she can do it right, and hopefully, by then, she will have decided to breed cats or mice or something instead.
As for the trainer, what the hell is she doing breeding any of those mares? Holy shit, perhaps she could feed them first! But really, none of them looked like the type of quality animal I would want to reproduce. And how about that pasture she brags about! That was grass chewed down to the dirt, and I am sure that right now, it is probably a nasty, shitty mudhole. No pasture management going on there!
The first foal listed on the for sale page, I think the only animal that was hers, was about as fugly as they get. I will never understand why someone has a “half-Arab” (or half-anything) breeding program.
The reason for breeding half-arabs is that at arab shows for every purebred class there is an equivalent half-arab class that is just as prestigious as the pb class. So if you were to look to buy a National Champion Half-Arab English horse, for example, you will need to spend six figures. The market is every bit as strong for half-arabs as it is for pb. With that said, it must be a quality animal. A crappy Half-Arab is just as worthless as a crappy purebred
Here is a site about horse reproduction. Amanda had plenty to contribute based on her expert knowledge of stallions. Oh wait a minute…. she decided the book she was readings was all wrong anyway.
http://www.horserepro.com/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=207&func=view&id=41&catid=17&limit=6&limitstart=0
I have followed her BS for awhile now. I warned the SAFE president about her and one of the admins on the Auction Horse site. There were many more posts about her at the Arabians Breeders website, but I can not find them since they redid their site. But she had drama ALL THE TIME, she has had all sorts of things wrong with her. Of course after good people send in donations for her, she is miraculously cured. She is a smooth talking scammer.
I bet she never would of had Exxtra Perception gelded anyway. A FREE purebred stallion. All she saw was dollar signs in her eyes. Yet she was getting donations for his gelding from people on the auction board site.
Whenever I tried to call her on something, my posts were deleted. After all she was an admin. on there for awhile, so had control of the delete button.
The absolute worst thing though is the fact the horse had his leg broken in two places and she claimed it did not hurt. Really. I guess that was her justification for making him wait for over 6 hours befor being put down. What a heartless bitch.
She is in some sort of business dealings with Raeven Rae Sampson and Dolores Chalmers of Eternety Arabians. (NOT Eternity Arabians). If I were them, I would disassociate myself from her ASAP.
And be warned, she is already looking for another stallion to promote. So everyone beware of Amanda Barber-Anderson. Guardian Oasis Arabians, Barber Performance Paints, GLA Performance Paints and/or whatever her new name will be.
And to all Amanda’s supporters out there. It was not an unfortunate accident. That would of been what occured if she had done everthing she could to prevent an injury. She is just a smug little twit who still does not think any of this was her fault.
She is Amanda Wright on her facebook. Lots of aliases there!
Did she REALLY say his broken leg did not hurt? You know my knee-jerk reaction to that comment. Let’s break YOUR leg in 2 places and you let me know if it hurts. UGH!
She had a sugary greeting card response to putting Cash to sleep. You can go read here
http://auctionhorses.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=rainbow&action=display&thread=273&page=6
I guess the subject of suffering came up later in the thread when others said he might not of been suffering.
Yep, Amanda claims that the horse was not in pain. He broke his leg in two places, but was still eating, therefore it didn’t hurt.
We also don’t know when the horse was seen by a vet or how it was diagnosed. At one point Amanda said her “vet tech friend” came out and told her the leg was broken. Licensed Vet techs are vet techs, not veterinarians. It is illegal for a vet tech to make a diagnosis on an animal. Are Amanda’s “friends” now breaking the law, or is she calling herself a vet tech on top of being a horse trainer?
OMG and after all of the irresponsibility, she begged for the money to put him down, and got it! I’m in the wrong line of work- I need to advertise myself as a “trainer”, “rescue” horses, allow them to breed or whatever, and beg on the internet for the money to care for them. That way I can have lots of horses and not have to pay anything out of my own pocket to care for them. Why don’t the people on these boards donate their money to legimate horse rescues?
I’m gobsmacked!
How could anyone not check on their beloved equine after sending them off to the trainers?
When I had my beautiful arabian mare broken (hate that term, lets say started instead) I made sure that the trainer was ‘arab friendly’ and I visited every few days and phone calls in between the visits. The trainer was over an hour a way but he could have been three hours away and I’d still have gone.
The result? The most wonderful riding horse who is about to begin her endurance career.
Same with my beautiful TB mare. Different trainer but I did my homework, spoke to other horsey people about my intended trainer and after nothing but good responses delivered her to him and his lovely wife who took the best care of her. They were further away so visits weren’t as common but daily phone calls and emails (with pics) bridged the gap and voila! beautifully trained mare who is a joy to ride.
I have another OTTB who’ll be having her racehorse ‘makeover’ with the same trainer so I guess that’s an indication of how he impressed me with first TB mare.
Moral of the story: get involved and be the ‘worrying’ owner (within reason; don’t be too much of a nuissance) who fusses over (and keeps an eye on) their equine children because if you don’t, exactly who will?
Less than this is negligent and you don’t deserve to have a horse (or any animal) if you’re too lazy to make sure they’re okay.
Fugly, I want to thank you for posting this today.
As I posted on the ‘pony day’ comments, I have been looking for a trainer for my arab stallion to get back into shape and show on the HUS circuit. I’d talked to a few trainers and found one in my area that sounded a little ‘too good to be true’: educated, worked in the arab circuit before, had a nice barn, and cheap. That facility was about an hour away. While I could find nothing negative about the person, I also couldn’t find much of anything about the trainer at all, which made me leery: Generally googling a person’s name will give you some hint about who they are. My semi-horsey husband, always thinking of our bank account instead of quality, was pushing me to put our very much loved and well-mannered boy with this ‘too good to be true’ (TGTBT) trainer.
Then I showed him your post from today.
He’s now had a complete change of heart and has agreed to the significant expense of hiring a well-known and reputable Hunter and Jumper trainer to get our boy out into the show arena. It’s going to cost nearly double what the TGTBT trainer would have charged, but we know our horse will be in good hands. And best of all, the facility is less than 2 miles away!
So thank you for showing my husband (with photographic evidence) how pinching a penny now can lead to drastic medical expenses and significant drama later! My stallion and I are both appreciative!
Glad I could help! Make sure to come back and let us know how he does – good luck to him at training!
Hi Fugly,
You usually scream the names of these people out loud and clear and I’m just wondering why you didn’t do that this time? Yes, there is a link you can follow to find out, but what I like the most about this website is that you just say it like it is and you are all for naming and shaming.
No particular reason. I was just more amused by calling her the Idiot Twentysomething Bitch than Amanda Barber/Anderson/Wright whatever her last name is today.
Oh my, the owner of the mare I bought out of a back yard’s name was Amanda Wright…. Her brother was a farrier and trimmed her feet three weeks before I bought her. (Even though her toes were 2 inches too long)
I cant believe an owner of a horse would check in on their horse once in a while. I would be down there everyday,or have someone else drop in for a visit. Always check references and make sure you see results of their work and how they work and how they do their training. If you dont like what you see you can take your horse elsewhere. it should take time to look for a qualified trianer. They are out there. And the time that someone puts into your horse should be worth money. That training will stay with the horse. The trainer should work with the owner as well. you get to be involved. Most trainers will like you to watch and even join them under their supervision. Even well paid trainers you still have to make sure they are not taking you on a run for your money. Make sure they are doing what they say and again go somewhere else if you are not satisfied and make sure you do get a refund of some kind. you might not get the whole thing back. Just ask for references and make sure you check them out too. Any red flags when you interview a trainer then take it as a red flag. Dont go there.
Hoarder- a person whom has a emotional attachment to objects and is unable to get rid of them (or take care of them) even though they are hazardous, worthless or junk. They are unable to see their behavior is harmful to themselves or others.
Fugs!!! Did you see this??!??
http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=15652
Nebraska Mustang Trainer Guilty on Cruelty Charges
by: Pat Raia
January 18 2010, Article # 15652
The former operator of a Nebraska training ranch for Bureau of Land Management mustangs has been found guilty on 145 of the 149 felony animal cruelty charges against him.
Jason Meduna was charged with 149 counts of class 4 felony animal abandonment and cruel animal neglect resulting in injury or death last April after Morrill County law enforcement authorities and personnel from equine welfare agencies removed more than 200 allegedly malnourished mustangs from his ranch in Alliance.
On Friday, a Morrill County jury found Meduna guilty of 145 charges. He faces up to 5 years in jail and up to $10,000 in fines for each count. Sentencing will take place on Feb. 23.
Meduna’s attorney John S. Berry declined to comment on the verdict.
All of the rescued horses are now residing in adoptive homes.
Yes, scroll down, I blogged about that a few days ago
Here is the story of the 3 Strikes ranch from the perspective of someone who was there. It made me cry. http://www.wildhorserescue.org/3xstory.htm
Ok she still has the stallion on the site for breeding!
http://www.barberperformancepaints.com/stallions.html
References, references, references. I want to SEE the horses in competition that any trainer claims to have worked with. I’m not talking the backyard shows. I’m talking shows where there is real COMPETITION. I can dig up names all day of trainers claiming all sorts of crap, but rarely can any of them show me a well trained horse they’ve worked with.
Elevate your standards and don’t fall for the “oh, he/she is so amazing” line of BS. The only amazing thing about that is the line they’re falling for. It’s either real results, or I ain’t spending the money. I’ve been there. Don’t waste your time with these people, seek out the best. It’s so easy to get caught up in the lower level crap. I see this constantly and I feel terrible for the owners/horses. They get so wrapped up emotionally, they can’t see through the crap.
Same here. I want to see what they actually trained, in the show ring.
I’ve said before that a GREAT place to evaluate prospective trainers is at a horse show. Go watch them. Don’t let on that you’re a prospective client. See if they’re focused and fun at horseshows, or stressed out, mean and temperamental. See what they do in the warm up ring – especially when no one is watching. See how they handle losing – does no ribbon mean the horse gets spurred and yanked around?
Oh, and then there’s that DRUNK thing I mentioned earlier. Partying on Saturday night is fine but being falling-down drunk with clients in the arena that you are supposed to be there for is bullshit.
I’ve heard so many horror stories of trainers… to the point where I flat out told 2 people that said they would be ‘willing’ to take one of my horses for 30 days ‘no’, flat out offered training. But I couldn’t come visit my horse…detrimental to her learning process. I waited until my neighbor had a spot open and walked her up. Visited her almost every day. Closest problem I had with Hatty is that my trainer wanted to buy her. My Stud prospect is going for a 60 day start when a spot opens (before you say it he is three, I flatly refuse to start a long 2 year old under the saddle with a rider).
What I don’t get is this: if you kid was at a boarding school 3 hours away wouldn’t you check up on the kid? A phone call? A horse can’t use a phone, so why would you send him somewhere to far away to visit? I don’t care how big or small name the trainer is you put the animal in that situation, at you responsible for making sure it is a consistently good place? WTF? Owner FAIL, Trainer FAIL. Eight months and hey look my baby is all f-d up. Please PO and ITB either grow a sense of responsibility or don’t own animals…or breed.
Perhaps the breeding requirements for humans should be upped.
Her Facebook page says that she changed her program and name to half arabs so she could take advantage of the “color choices” of QHs and TBs, but the Photobucket of her stallions shows the Arab she has is GRAY. So crossing him on her mares will create nothing but grays. Why can’t the crazy be consistent with their crazy?
I drove over 2 hours to check out the facility of a trainer I’m sending my horse to next summer, and I will be there every weekend of the 30 days she will be there. She’s not even going to be ridden during this time (touchy mare is getting more handling training)! The training process is worthless if the owner isn’t involved.
I screwed up the FB link. Here’s her post:
“Amanda wrote on December 5, 2009 at 9:42am:
If you check out our website it says Barber Performance Paints for the domain name but the website says GLA Performance Paints…. And now our facebook group says GLA Performance Half-Arabians and Pintos. It can get pretty confusing, I know. So here’s what’s going on.
I love Arabian horses, I always have and I always will. I know a lot of their bloodlines and a lot about their showing and breeding. We made the “switch” to paint horses because of the lack of color variety in the Arabian horse but I still have always wanted to be part of them. And then a decision, which really was simple and yet took so long for us to do, came to us. Breed Half-Arabian/Paint, Quarter Horse & Thoroughbred horses.
Our website after the first of the year will change to GLAPerformance.com along with our business name. Our horses will be trained for halter, sport horse in hand, hunter, sport horse under saddle, dressage, jumping, reining, western pleasure, western riding and other western related sports (haven’t done that much research on those yet).”
She’s going to offer “professional” training in “other western sports” that she “hasn’t researched yet??” So, basically, she’s going to teach you how to do something but she really has no idea what the hell she’s talking about? Oh, and I’d love to see her version of a dressage horse. Just for fun.
Um, ok, does that mean she thinks she’ll magically become able to train in “western riding and other western related sports” after she does some “research” on it?!
Hey, I’ve Googled “dressage” before, so I must be qualified to train dressage horses now…
FHOTD-
I have been following your blog for a long time, and LOVE IT! Your posts are funny, accurate and very educational. You say what I am thinking when I deal with idiots like the ones you write about. You definitely don’t hold back, and you are my idol!
That being said, this response is totally selfish. I would consider it an honor if you would say a few words about my fugly horse.
Before you get started, know that I have no delusions about what he is and you will not hurt my feelings. He was a pity buy 11 years ago from a local horse rental with a bad reputation. He was skinny, wormy, barely green broke and looked more like a giraffe with his lanky 17.1 hh frame. He is a registered TWH, with Generator and Sunny Dee-Lite blah blah…anyway, I threw away his papers and had him gelded. I was gonna try to find him a good home, but I just fell in love with him and now he is the best, most dependable trail horse I have ever owned.
I know he has a big head, short back, skinny neck, ect…and looks thin due to his narrow build (he is well-cared for, and though I have struggled with his weight the best, most reputable vets in my area tell me it is his build).
Anyway, I would love to hear what you have to say about him. You won’t hurt my feelings, and I will still love him just the same. So if you have a few minutes to spare and want to make my day, I would love to hear the snarky comments.
Here he is!
(FHOTD in: Welcome! But you probably put in some code that this blog didn’t like, and it made your link disappear. Just put in where the pic is, without code, next time)
Great post! As a trainer who “starts” horses (doesn’t break them), I find it frustrating how many people want a 30 day wonder. If you’re an experienced rider who is willing to ride an inexperienced horse on a REGULAR basis, you may do just fine on a 30 day horse. Beginner+30 day horse=Wreck! Sadly, I get plenty of beginners who think I can work magic in 30 days and turn their newly purchased, untrained horse into a push button critter for them to ride on the weekends. They sometimes gasp at the price and ask what I can get done in 2 weeks. Really?!
I have had “knowledgeable” horse people decide I charge too much and take their horse to joe blow who charges half of what I do and then act surprised when their horse is in the round pen learning basic steering after 30, 60, or 90 days. I also got a horse for a “tuneup,” who bucked like crazy when saddled and don’t know much of anything! The story changed from “needs a tuneup” to “I never saw the trainer ride it and it bucked me off the only time I tried.” Another one came in for me to train to do flying lead changes, rollbacks, and other basic reining maneuvers in preparation to sell it. It was supposedly loping circles, etc with the trainer and just needed fine tuning. Well, it felt like a horse with about 3 rides on it to me. The lady admitted the “trainer” hadn’t actually ridden the horse in front of her and she took it home because it was starving. The trainer ended up being where I’d just gone to pick up a horse for an acquaintance and been horrified. All of the horses had ribs sticking out, patches of missing hair from rainrot or lice or both, were all penned in mud together, and we had to tie up a bailing twine “fence” to run them in and sort out the one I was picking up, who had been in training for about six months. I couldn’t believe it. The owner, my acquaintance, was with me and she knew so little about horses that she didn’t even notice anything wrong. And she’d bred and raised Morgans for 30 years! She told me she’d have had me train the horse but I charge too much. Really?
As a trainer, I recommend that people (#1) visit the facility first and watch the trainer work at least one horse so you can see how he treats it and what methods he uses. Yes, things can change when you leave but it’s better than nothing. #2, get references! I have several regular customers as well as people I ride in clinics with who will vouch for how I train and treat horses. #3, don’t be a pansy! By that, I mean, don’t expect the trainer to pet and hand feed treats to your horse all the time. He’s there for training, not coddling, so if he needs a whack to get him to pay attention, move out, get off my foot, etc, he’s going to get it. I’m not going to beat him with a 2×4 or leave him tied to a tree all night to “train” him. #4, call to check on your horse’s progress or stop by when you know I’ll be working. If you show up out of the blue, you’re welcome to visit your horse but don’t expect me to leave my family on a Sunday afternoon to show you what I’ve been doing with your horse! Also, don’t expect me to have a phone conference with you every evening for an hour. If 5 customers call and expect that every day, I won’t get anything done or get to see my family at night! I try to keep a journal, jotting down what I’ve done & any major changes or events each day, so that I can update you every week or so. #5, don’t “harass” my other customers or their horses. Some people don’t want their horses hand fed so quit sneaking cookies to them! Being cordial or friendly to my other clients is great but don’t stay and talk their ear off about your horse while I’m trying to show them theirs! I don’t mind people hanging out to watch me work any horse, theirs or not, but stay out of the way. #6, tell your trainer what you expect or want! If you want your horse to come to a mounting block, stump, etc at a voice command, I can work on that. But don’t tell me that’s what you expected on the day you pick the horse up! #7, let your trainer know if you like the job they are doing or have done or what they can do to make it better. I feel great sending a happy horse home with a happy customer! I get all warm and fuzzy when you call a month later and tell me how great the yellow gelding is doing on the trails
If there’s anything you find lacking during or after the training session, just let me know. I feel I do the best job I can do but I’m a big girl and can take criticism. I may not change for you but I’ll listen! I had a lady who wanted me to throw her horse down and sack him out until he wasn’t spooky anymore. NO CAN DO, take him to someone else if that’s what makes you happy! # 8, if you like the training job I did on your horse, tell your friends! I love it when your friend who knew ol’ flighty spoiled boy comes and sees what I’ve done with him! I don’t advertise and don’t intend to start because I think word of mouth is the best bang for my buck!
That’s all I can think of for now. Thanks again for the great post!
By that, I mean, don’t expect the trainer to pet and hand feed treats to your horse all the time. He’s there for training, not coddling, so if he needs a whack to get him to pay attention, move out, get off my foot, etc, he’s going to get it.
Would you like to stop by my barn? We have a lot of middle aged women who think their spoiled over priced horses should be allowed free run in the barn. God knows what’s going on in their heads, but it’s dangerous as hell watching 1500lbs of horse flesh running from their stalls down the hallway full of children screaming, “don’t stop him, he’s expressing himself.” And of course, it’s never the owner who catches them. Once back at the stall, Buffy (the Warmblood) gets more grain.
Great post! You sound a lot like my trainer. He is awesome and I wouldn’t trade him for anything.
Sad thing is, when I look at the 1st photo, I can see this guy packing someone around the local hunter ring. He looks cute. No, he’d never be a world beater. Probably never do the A’s, but for the right kid, and with the right training, he might have been a match. Too bad he had that extra weight between his hind legs.
The so called “trainer” needs hung up by her toenails, but owner needed to get out and check up on her.
The color is just PASTEL, but he could have been gelded and made a pleasant riding horse and now, he probably should be put down. Idiots who won’t settle for a pleasant horse and need some ego boost, and now they ruined the horse.
Up here in Upstate New York, we’ve got starving Thoroughbreds all over the place and trainers of every stripe. I found the good one. It was easy. He was judging at a reputable local show. Farm is open every day except Monday, and as long as they know you’re coming you can appear and ride, have a lesson, or just kiss your horse. Everything’s always perfect. It ain’t cheap. But by perfect I mean PERFECT. They adjust the feed, they do blanket changes, the stalls are always right, the farrier is the best, and everybody gets kissed and loved except for the horses that try to bite everybodys’ lips off. They get groomed and loved, but not kissed.
People, pay the money and then visit your damn horse. And ride it. Don’t let your investment languish. Make sure you’re there to keep the energy flowing.
i know blu’s owner and i know AMANDA. amanda puts on a big show of all my horses are in good health and in great shape at all times. when i know they are not. i tryed to get people to relize this but they wouldnt belive me. blu’s owner was ashered that he was in good health and in this day and age when you are running around like a chicken with your head cut off you tend to belive what people are telling you.for the recored blu’s owner has known amanda sence blu was 2 years old so she wasnt dealing with some reandum person. we thought we knew amanda she had always taken care of horses up untill this point. we thought she was a good person. you should get both sides of the story before you talk crap
I did hear both sides and that is what this blog entry was based upon. Saying that you “tend to believe what people are telling you” is just plain lame. You have a responsibility as the owner not to just blindly believe but to CHECK UP and MAKE SURE. I don’t have a lot of sympathy for your friend who cheaped out, and I certainly don’t for Amanda, who is finally getting exactly the notoriety she always deserved. I only have sympathy for the horse.
I think the point is this: whether or not the trainer ‘was a good person’ or ‘has taken good care of horses until this point’ is moot.
When the drive is far to visit you horse at least weekly or every other week then the horse is too far away, regardless of how expensive or cheap the trainer is. This horse is reported to be “infested with lice, his eyelid is gone from the fight with the other stud and he’s got an oozing infected abscess on his tail.” This would have been noted if the owner had visited. I haven’t had a horse get an abscess on it’s tail, but I would hazard a guess that it involved a lot of rubbing. If the owner had visited it could have been prevented. If the owner had visited and been concerned about the “vicious stud” she could have taken her boy home.
As for the trainer, a clear apology is in order. If there is a stud is on a farm than measures need to be taken for everyone’s safety as their brain may become randomly incapacitated. If they are contained they only hurt themselves. And if there is an issue (i.e. lice, abscess) you need to call the owner and tell them.
Fugly: For fairness I, personally, can’t count ‘caked in mud’ as a issue. Most of my horses opt to roll in the mud and are apparently far more effective at it (I think they just like to make me work harder to ride, I also think they are laughing at me right now). It should be noted that the horse in question appears to be at a good weight and with properly maintained hooves.
I am, however, confused. In the posting you state that the perlino escaped…in the quote (which I assume was from the perlino’s owner) asked “why wasn’t a known vicious stallion in a better secured stall.” Uhm… did I get confused or is the PO actually (abet inadvertently) calling her own horse vicious? (As I stated, not accusing just a clarification.)
It’s far more likely that the tail abscess came from a bite from the other stallion, the location is classic.
No horse became starved overnight, therefore I reject the theory that she had always looked after horses before, also, the pictures she herself placed on her own Facebook clearly show that not only does she have NO idea what a good broodmare looks like, but that she has NO idea how a broodmare should be fed, either….see the very very skinny bay pinto.
So please, stop defending her and take this “outing” session as a wake up call. I am presuming that, from your spelling, etc, you are quite a young person?
OK, in that case, lesson #1 is “Do not trust people because they can talk the talk, when, with your own two eyes you can see that they are wrong”.
You can see for yourself that her horses are rubbish and thin, so stop listening to her excuses and start believing in your own abilities to judge a situation. That is what a lot of us here have done, and our horses thank us for it!
He would have made a nice GELDING before any of this happened. I am no trainer, but I will honestly do my best with the horses I get. I don’t show, I just trail ride. So all I want in my horses, is something I can have a nice leisurely ride with through the woods and not worry about being thrown or running 30 mph through trees. These things I can accomplish at home through patience and experience. And the 2 I’ve sold… that’s what they were bought for. If she had planned on buying a horse that would just ride, get one that is already trained. If you can’t train a horse yourself, or afford proper training, unbroke is not the way to go.
How do you contact Fugly privately? I have some questions about a farm.
Thanks. Found it.
Fugly,
I honestly thought that this horse was beautiful until I scrolled down and realized what trauma this horse was put through. I do not own horses, I own dogs. However, if I took my dog to a dog trainer and was leaving him their (highly unlikely though) I would check up on him at least once a week, or earlier. It seems silly to leave an animal with someone, and not check up on the property before you do so. I am not sure if the owner of the horse went to the farm and checked it out before hand, but that seems to always be a good idea. Check out the ENTIRE property and see all of the animals and make sure they are all healthy. Also, find out how the breed them. Whether they actually breed them a lot, like this lady did, or make sure that they give the mare’s and stallions a rest once in awhile. This makes me sick to see someone hurt an animal like this.
Thanks for posting.
Kristi
Is there anyone on here who may know of an “un-official” equine rescue in the Diamond Lake, WA area??? They had a CL posting a few days back listing two “CHEAP HORSES” for sale, one of them was an older leopard Appaloosa mare, who just might be the mare we are trying to track down. I emailed them earlier today and I have not had any response. They had her listed for $200. I will go and get her, NOW if I have to.
Any info would be helpful
please email me……f1fappys@gmail.com
Thank you,
Carrie Giannandrea
Dances with Horses
Formula One Farms
**FHOTD**I did hear both sides and that is what this blog entry was based upon. Saying that you “tend to believe what people are telling you†is just plain lame.
What a fucking hypocrite! every time you write a blog entry it is based on this very thing! You are believing what people are telling you and then blogging hypocritical bullshit blogs based on WHAT SOMEONE TOLD YOU! you need to shut the fuck up already…your old and worn out and just about every loyal reader you ever had has left because your such a hypocrite and have no loyalty to any you might have called friend. Guess trying to sleep with their husbands kind of fucks up a friendship now doesnt it…
No, I am not believing what people are telling me. I used e-mails written by both parties and forwarded to me to write this blog, and I’m pretty sure I have the real story spot-on! Your problem is that you ALL think that your e-mails stay private. They don’t.
By the way, as for my personal life, I’m not too concerned about accusations from single women who pretend to have a husband to people on the Internet.
Now toddle on back to your hole, troll.
Jesus KillBill- Get a life. And please- if you support anyone who treats horses the way this woman does then please sell all your horses and get a life playing tennis or something that doesn’t involve animals.
Do these morons actually read the blog….or do they just post for the internet equivalent of hearing themselves spouting rubbish???
Or is it yet another of our friendly little neighbourhood Trolls peeping out from under their bridges again??
Oh, dear me, do you not have better things to do than troll forums?
Poor you, hey, you could always go and volunteer at a shelter somewhere….oh, no, wait, that would actually serve a purpose…….
It’s kind of entertaining. They have to make stuff up to have anything to say against me. Now they are saying I didn’t pay for a colic surgery. Um, I’ve posted a million times that I wouldn’t have a vet do a colic surgery, because I don’t believe they usually have a good outcome. I’ve never had a horse that had (or needed) a colic surgery, not ever, so I don’t know how I am supposed to pay for something that never happened, LOL!
fugly amanda is the “trainer” i tryed to get you post something on… but said i dont have time to go to this other blog.you could have helped people find out about amanda wright/anderson(she has never had the name barber that is her exboyfriends last name.it has never been hers she is married to a guy in the army. oh she is bipoler too and should be on meds too btw). she is the one who said lakota was done and could come home. so not true. and while he was there he was fed only enough to keep him alive and he was thin after being there for 2 monthes. i checked on lakota after he was there for 2 weeks then i wasnt able to go up there till the day i went to pick him up. i paid for him to be there and be trained and while he was there i gave her money to get his feet done and it never happened. i was unable to go up there after i hurt my back and could barly walk to feed my dogs.blus owner has something simaler goin on with her did you know that????
you could have helped stopped this but you said no i dont have the time to sorry go some where else and still not a damn thing was done
Holy high-school-dropout, Batman! LakMom, if you want anyone to consider you with any seriousness, please endeavour to compose a sentence in plain, comprehensible English, and make a reasonable effort to employ a spellchecker of some description.
Kudos to Fugly for posting such vitriol. If anyone has an asshat translator, please do let me know.
Wow- Are you seriously blaming Fugs because you were too lazy of a horse owner to go out and make sure your horse was getting proper care at the trainers?
It is EACH INDIVIDUAL OWNER’S RESPONSIBILITY to make sure their horse trainers, veterinarians, and farriers are doing a good job. They should read up on basic health care, hoof care, training theories, etc. so that they have the knowledge to tell if their horse is being mistreated. If any horse owner isn’t willing to take the time then they shouldn’t own horses.
There are thousands and thousands of horrible animal abusers and neglecters out there in the world and it is no ONE person’s responsibility to stop them all.
well.. you dont have all the facts straight.. I did go and check on him atleast everyother week .. even when I wqas weeks over due in my pregnancy.. it was complication from child birth that made .. um difficult to get around.. and when I was able to get back out there that is what I found!!
OH BTW.. the “International Cream Horse regisrty” is nothing more than yet ANOTHER scamm by Amanda to get money from people and give them nothing.. she fabricated the resgistry.. so no I didnt register his with that SHE did.. to make it look reputable .. i guess..
I leased Blu to her because it was supposed to be her opportunity to make something of herself.. every trainer had to start somewhere.. honestly i couldnt give a rats ass if Blu has a show record.. as far as Im concerned there is more to a horse than what he can accomplish in a circle.. and he is turns into an ass or uncontrollable jerk .. i have no qualms about cutting off his testicles and turning his nutsack into my coin purse! But he is my horse and that is my desicion to make.. Amandas telling me she dint breed anything .. but she tells everyone else she did.. who knows I guess the true is only for Blu and his pecker to know.. but I did have him checked and the vet says he is clean.. sooo??? maybe just lucky I guess..
He seems like a sweet boy, chopping his balls would give him the chance at a normal life. It sounds like Amanda always had him surrounded by all her mares & the poor guy was probably teased to death.
If he were my horse, I’d geld him, put him into training and he’d probably make a nice little pleasure & trail horse & show him if you feel like it.
BUT, if he’s being used as a breeding stallion, he SHOULD have the show record, along with the pedigree, conformation, movement, temperament, etc. All of the ads I’ve seen for him it seems like the only thing he has going for him (at this point) is the fact that he is a perlino tobiano.
“Example 2: Blu Eyed Handsome Man. We are working out the specifics because I don’t have record of all foals he produced but I know that out of his 20 known foals, at least 85% of them were fillies, regardless of the condition to the mare.”
http://www.horserepro.com/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=207&func=view&catid=20&id=52
Wow. Ugly little troll. One does wonder why sleeping or not sleeping with someone has an impact on this story.
“She was sleeping with someone, so we starved and enloused the horse”
“She was sleeping with someone so we broke the horse’s leg in two places”
“She was sleeping with someone, so we took a stallion prospect, bred him, and didn’t train him.”
Hmm…none of that rings quite true. Argue the issue, or not, but why change the subject?
On my end, I will point out one thing that I know as a fact– even quarter horse stallions are expensive. A medium quality stallion would be defined as a stallion with a Superior in his chosen discipline. Lacking that, he better come from Superior parents, and be producing ROMs and Congress champions. I’m not talking about a top of the line horse. I’m just talking a NICE middle quality stallion– the $750 stud fee sort. That stallion will cost a minimum of $50,000 to buy at a young breeding age- say a 7 year old. If you want to create him, it will take at least one year of showing, possibly two or three. Minimum cost for a good trainer who can win in quarter horse show venues is $1000 per month, and usually there is an addition charge for each show the horse is taken to and competed in/with.
The breeder I’m familiar with was happy if he could break even on such a stallion within about three to four years. Let’s be honest, folks. If you aren’t spending MAJOR money to train and advertise and promote your stallion, you probably don’t have something worth breeding. If you don’t have a whopping big insurance policy on your boy to protect your investment, you probably don’t have something worth breeding. Breeding is a business. If you aren’t treating your stallion like a business investment– a very valuable investment– then you aren’t really a breeder. You are just in a little dream world.
on another note; when I got my colt I was told that the vet that comes out yearly to do the geldings only charges $100! however…
Barn Owner: “He doesnt really have a practice though(license? what license?) and he only works with his wife, and they only do geldings/vet care for people they know, but he does a great job and its only $100!”
Me: “Oh… thats great”
I think I would rather pay Quakertown $xxxx.xx to geld if I have to… becuase I’m not stupid enough to think said vet above is actually quilifed to do his job or touch my animal….
THANK GOD I’m moving him soon!
BTW KillBill,
If you had something constructive to say people might listen to you.
And not to touch on the lame personal attack but I don’t give a shit who sleeps with who atleast they can feed their damn animals and take good care of them… and actually LOOK into who they send their animals off to live with.
Fulgy’s horse in training looks great, happy, and fed! But, I bet she has to pay money for that training and care…. shoot
Killbill (as with most trolls) is a great one to talk about judging others. She is Salina Bailey, who used to post here as 5minpins. You can see what kind of person she is by doing a name search on the Washington Court Records – boy, Salina, you’ve been a defendant and a judgment debtor A LOT. And she used to think I was great until I blasted her buddy Judy Caton for starving horses. See, this blog is great until YOU or YOUR BUDDY is held to the same standard as those people over there that you do NOT like. Then, in a desperate attempt to fight back when you know that you are illogical and do not have a leg to stand on, you start repeating internet gossip about my personal life. Yep, THAT makes you horse-starving buddy look more innocent. That is totally relevant!
Like I said, back to your hole, troll.
Just want to add that the “goofy pointless shit like the International Cream Horse Registry” was CREATED by the one and only Amanda Anderson/Barber/Wright. Blu’s image is plastered all over that site as well.
http://internationalcreamhorseregistry.com/
Oh, that’s awesome. I didn’t even realize that.
Yet another way to make some money for nothing, huh Amanda?
The owner of Blu did post on SAFE that she DID go check on him and only after the birth of 2nd child and some related issues she couldnt get there to see him.So to say she left him there for 6 months unchecked wouldnt be correct.
Fair enough. But as noted above, even if she didn’t know Amanda very well, her lack of credibility could have been easily established with 10 minutes of internet searches – and again, you do not get something for nothing. Amanda was (obviously!) wrong when it came to care of the horse and stallion management in general. But Mel was wrong when it came to (a) standing a horse at stud before he’d accomplished anything and (b) trying to cheap out on training instead of sending him to someone with a good reputation.
The horse isn’t a bad horse, he’s just unaccomplished and has no pedigree to speak of. Invest the money in training and see if he can do something very well – maybe he can. Maybe he does deserve to be a stallion. I don’t know. Mel isn’t going to find out sending him to people like Amanda. Send him to a real trainer if you want to keep him a stud, and participate in the very expensive gamble that we all do to see if our horse can cut it or not.
Apropos of absolutely nothing and so far “Off Topic” you would need the Hubble telescope to see it…..on Lolcats (I can haz cheezburger?) there is a video up of a sixty year old woman (a very seasoned climber btw) who just rescued one very thankful kitty form a ledge halfway up a small mountain! She had to go home and get her climbing gear, then get AC, but, you know what?? She did it, anyway. The world does have good people in it. Go and take a look if you have a moment and put a “thankyou” in the comments??
OK, back On Topic now. I had a colt a few years back, had done nothing as he was only a bay (well, I do not count halter wins on a potential saddle horse) he was a two year old and I had a year I needed him looked after. I lent him to a lady who wanted to put him on her Welsh Cob mare. She kept him for the summer and had her breeding, I had him back, trim, fit and happy, in the fall. I was VERY lucky, I had NO idea how lucky I was!! His manners were still the excellent manners he went with and she had done a bit of groundwork with him, too. She got her foal, I got a colt cared for.
Would I do it today??
Dunno, depends. I have a colt out on loan to a friend who has looked after him and taught him manners. She has the option to buy, but has decided not to. He has been cared for in an exemplary manner.
I guess what screams out “Red Alert” on this story is that she was willing to let the horse stand to outside mares (I had agreed one mare on my colts loan agreement, that is all) so, what tests were to be done/were done….as, well, you know, he may have come home with a few problems that have not made themselves known yet….what was that $50.00 warmbloods EVA/EIH status??? cos I’m guessing no-one bothered to check it as it was in a kill pen? And the other mares the stallion bred?? What about them??
You just do not, if you have a colt that is worth anything at all, just throw it at someone who may or may not look after it, (and if you read the ABN thread you will see that the info on ITB was up for anyone with Internet access to see) and say she can breed the animal to anything that has a vagina. You just do not.
How much would it have cost to have got a middle of the road, decent sort of trainer to train her horse??
Because I am guessing it would not have cost what the ITB was looking to earn at $450.00 a mare??
No, the ITB was beyonce reprehensible, but the PO also has a huge responsibility here, after all, she could have had the horse gelded and just let him sit in a filed somewhere whilst she got her house in order. Having two small children is not something that goes away, it is not, whatever you might like to think, a disease. It is a lifetime commitment that will get worse, not better, for the first ten years (at least, So I cannot think how this horse going to a trainer for a year was going to solve her problems, except , of course, that she thought that he was going to be a meal ticket.
Which rather begs the question ” how is he actually better off back with his owner?” Who , apparently , has no money and still has no way of looking after this horse, no facilities for standing him at stud and who, presumably, has not “recovered” form a bad case of small children??
Who had Jumrunner? He is the TB from the auction last June that nearly severed his hoof after being turned out with barbed wire. He went to live with one of “Amanda’s friends”. Was it Mel?
http://schwung.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=auction&action=display&thread=5236&page=1
I know about the thread on SAFE. Amanda wrote:
“The OTTB went with the sorrel Paint that was in the above referenced palomino geldings pen went down to Lacey to my friends place. I just spoke to my friend and I guess the plan is to keep the paint horse for trail riding and then the OTTB is going to be on stall rest with light excersize and then when the bow heals they will start entry level dressage/hunter stuff. She has plans to resell him in about a year.”
Doesn’t Mel live in Lacey? I’ve been to her house before and I’m sure it is in Lacey. Did Jumrunner get mutilated at Mel’s place? I’m leaning towards YES unless someone proves otherwise.
I think a lot of people are willing to do this because they assume others are like themselves. If someone left their horse in my care, it would be in the same condition or better when the owner came back for it, regardless of whether or not they checked on it. It blows my mind that people will neglect somebody else’s animal like that. I don’t understand why people have no respect for other people, and for the animals themselves. I read this stuff and can’t even wrap my brain around what is (or isn’t!) going on in some people’s heads.
Why does this stallion still appear on ITB’s website stating the following:
“Proven producer of beautiful halter and performance Paint and Pinto foals.”
“Will be shown Hunter under Saddle in 2010.”
Then again, one can only assume that this is the grey Arabian stallion that died:
“Will be shown Sporthorse in Hand and possibly Halter and Hunter in 2010.”
Yes I was once sued for refusing to honor a ‘free breeding’ i had given to a lady who I thought was very nice (Linda Trosper). When I found out that she had multiple Humane Society cases against her and animal abuse and neglect charges I withdrew that breeding to my Champion stallion as I refused to put a foal in that situation.
She sued me and WON the actual value of the breeding. Which was 1200.00 at that time. This was about 9 years ago or so. We had to pay her 1200.00…..for a ‘free breeding’ I had given her and then withdrawn when I realized what she was.
I now do not stand my boys at public stud, if I ever do it will be not only to approved mares but to approved HOMES as well…both are important to me.
People should not be allowed to have stallions or take care of a stallion without a licence.
I saw P.O. post on craigslist the other day. I was pissed at both people and really more so the owner because its her fault for NOT checking in on her horse! If I had a stallion like that I would be checking in nearly every day to get updates on how he was doing and do an actual visit probably every week! How this gal let her horse go for that long without any visit is beyond me.
She’s now running an “animal rescue” under the Guardian Oasis name and is going by Amanda Wright. Please be careful with her!