Let’s all guess why he is a jumper prospect!
Nov 18 2009
I will bet that you can ALL figure out how they arrived at this brilliant deduction and no, I do not think it has anything to do with his potential (likely unremarkable) size. I’m guessing it has to do with how he came to be, because it certainly doesn’t have anything to do with his conformation.
Ad text: “JUMPER PROSPECT.I have 5 horses for sale. 1 unregistrable 6mnths old chestnut/bay arabx. Woody will be unregistrable, it’s a long story having to do wiht a neibohrs stallion. Woody will undoublty be a big boy due to his sire’s size. Woody could possibly make an excellent jumper in the future, with the potential of his size. Due to owners having to many horses not enough time, room or feed Woody is being offered for your consideration.Get woody now and start him in any discipline you like. It’s very important Woody find a good home that will bring out his full potential or give him a loving home where his going to get all the love and attention deserves. Woody has the sweetest personality but is a bit shy because owners have not had alot of time to do much work with him. Come take Woody home today. Dam is on sight for viewing. Woody is Gingers foal(see other ads). Woody will make a good jumper prospect get him now and get him started, the earlier you start the better! Pictures coming soon! Contact me for any additional information or to make arrangements for a viewing. Make sure to check out my other ads and check out the other 4 horses for sale. No meat buyers or tire kickers please. Thanks”
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I’m guessing the sire is next door for viewing too – he’ll be the one pacing the neighbor’s fence, contemplating another attempt to leap his way to a sex life!
All right, where do I begin? Clearly this colt is about as far as you can get from a jumper prospect. Check out those mile-long weak front pasterns – not what you’d want to land on after a four-foot fence. There isn’t a good conformation shot of him but his overall condition is awful with a belly so full of worms that he appears pregnant, and an upside-down ewe neck. I have no idea what he is other than Arabian but it ain’t anything pretty. Whatever it is managed to remove the usual attractiveness of the Arabian breed while leaving the common flaws of poorly-bred Arabians such as the weak pasterns and nonexistant hip. Would he look a whole lot better with some food and vet care? You bet. But he’s about as likely to be a competitive jumper as I am to be elected President.Â
So this is a fun topic – if you’ve ever gone shopping for a prospect for a specific discipline, tell me about the horse you wound up looking at that was just the furthest possible thing from an actual prospect for that discipline! Did you waste your time looking at a reining prospect that turned like a Hummer, a halter prospect that looked like Sam Savitt’s drawing of conformation faults in the horse, or a hunter prospect with a stride six inches long? Â
OT but I just thought of it because we were talking about jumpers…did anyone else see the jumping at LAEC Saturday night? If that’s on video, you should watch it. Watch Richard Spooner’s horses go. You know why he wins? Because he’s actually got his horses trained. He’s not having to brace against them and desperately muscle them back under control. When he says, slow down and look at WTF you are doing, they do it. He can collect and extend exactly how and when he needs to and he doesn’t get a fight about it. That’s something you can only achieve by (a) slowly, deliberate training and tons of groundwork and (b) being in a true partnership with your horse – not a battle of wills. I saw a lot of thinly veiled OH SHIT SLOW DOWN WE’RE GONNA DIE expressions right before that triple since I was sitting in that corner, but his horses slowed right down and nailed it. Very impressive. (And hey, to clarify, I’m not knocking anyone in that class. I couldn’t jump a fence that size for a million bucks. They’re all fantastic riders but I was impressed by the precision control of Richard’s horses.)
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Thanks Fugs, I’m drinking my coffee, clicked on, and the first thing that I see, WORMS! Poor baby..I’m sure he’ll be great with some TLC…Maybe, a fun little horse for one of us slower moving re-riders…to chug along on..I’m speaking for myself here! No insult intended to any other re riders, LOL! Jumper? Maybe not…
Poor pony! Once he is de wormed and given some TLC, I’m sure he will be a cute horse for someone to chug around on..Maybe a re rider , who’s vertically challenged such as myself, LOL!
I was looking for a good trail horse several years back, and a guy I know said he had a smaller mare that was “dead dog gentle”. OK. So I went out to his place to ride her. He went into the pasture to catch her, and she nearly kicked his head off. He brought her up out of the pasture and got ready to saddle her. She nearly kicked his head off again. “She’s not usually like this” Of course she’s not. I didn’t even bother riding her.
Here are some other gems with great potential: http://desmoines.craigslist.org/grd/1469068230.html
Grey yearling stud colt with great potential to make more fugly babies.
http://desmoines.craigslist.org/grd/1469015263.html
Red dun haflinger cross with great potential to end up in a mexican slaughter house.
Gotta love this one- and the horse isn’t all that bad looking:
http://desmoines.craigslist.org/grd/1467859131.html
Potential to be Burger king or Budweiser’s next big mascot!
Date: 2009-11-18, 6:21AM MST
Reply to: sale-qjj6c-1471274666@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]
Look at this “cremello” stallion. Seriously we need to learn to geld via laser then we can go by and do it ourselves.
the earlier you start the better, lol ya um okay. People confuse me more and more everyday.
I have searched for a cow horse and pulled up a camel on dreamhorse once, that was entertainment, forwarded if my client and said search was over! We all got a laugh! Biggest problem I come across is height, no one seems to know how to pull out a tape and measure. They always seem to srink by 2inches to a full hand from the time I call to the time I visit.
Off the topic question, I have a neighbor whos pony colics everyday, pale gums around 8am and down most the rest of the day. Call the owner twice a day, she called a vet the first day he did in, its been four days of it now, would calling AC do anything? He has feed and water, all of her mares are FAT but this poor thing hurts all day long. Breaks my heart to see him like this all day.
I’m guessing the sire is next door for viewing too – he’ll be the one pacing the neighbor’s fence, contemplating another attempt to leap his way to a sex life!
Oh have sympathy. The things a modern stallion has to do to get a date.
Anyway… maybe you should consider… it’s like the stallion passed a German performance test?
(Hehehe)
He’s so homely I feel sorry for him. I wish people would realize that if a stud jumps their fence they DO NOT *have* to have the foal. Poor little guy, I hope somebody worthwhile buys him and takes care of him properly.
CC – I agree completely. We had an “accidental” breeding in our neighborhood awhile back and a shot of lutalyse for $8.00 was all it took to make sure that no baby was the result. More people need to realize that this is definately a viable option, and is not like “abortion” in humans.
It’s an animal and leaving your mare pregnant puts her life at risk…sometimes if you put it that way, they’re more inclined to terminate. That said…stallions should be appropriately housed so that they DO NOT “get out”. It’s the stallion owners responsibility…but then again, most of the people who own stallions…are not responsible people/owners in the first place…in ANY regard.
We bought a pony recently that the owner swore was 13hh. We asked whether that was a guess, or if she’d been sticked, and were assured that she had been sticked at 13hh. Get her home, pull out the measuring stick…she’s 14.1hh. Yeah…thought she looked big for 13hh… *rolleyes* At least we only paid $100 for her, while she was advertised as $800, 2 months ago when the owner we bought her from, had purchased her…
When I was looking for my trail horse, I visited a lot of real stinkers. One of the best was the “bombproof child safe” QH that bucked his owner off and tore down the fenceline leaping like a rodeo bronc.
I was like, “Um, that’s childsafe?”
No wonder she looked unhappy when I told her I wanted her to saddle and ride him first, lmao.
And that poor baby in the blog. He’s so homely that he almost looks like a baby cow in the second picture.
Richard Spooner videos: http://www.richardspooner.com/video.htm
I’m guessing that ugly little mutt is called Jumper because he constantly jumps out of his dry lot looking for FOOD.
As for horse shopping — ugh. I’m a big person and I want a horse built like a brick shithouse, but I want him or her to be under 15 hands. I can’t tell you how many horses I’ve gone to look at that were advertised as “sturdy” or “1200lbs” that had tiny feet, dainty ankles and wouldn’t make 800 pounds soaking wet with a belly full. One place said they had several broke to ride Haflingers. When I went to see, they were all YEARLINGS being ridden by (rather large) kids! No thanks!
Perfect topic today because I am home recuperating from rotator cuff surgery and am desperate to learn more about horse conformation and how all the parts go together — and what happens when they are not ideal. I can hold a book, so I need to know what you all recommend as a good book on conformation — not just what IS good conformation but how the parts — good and bad –work.
What got me started on this was a pic of a coming 2-y-o TB that is 17hh, which means this guy will be ginormous. Due to growth spurt, he looks like he was put together by a committee–large head, croup high, etc. However, he has very upright shoulders. My few reference books say the pastern angle should match the angle of the shoulder, which, for this guy, DOES match — but what does that mean? Straight shoulders mean more front-end issues, as a rule, but paired with long-yet-straight pasterns, what does THAT mean? Etc.
Also, being coon-footed. What soundness issues await? What structural weaknesses are evident? And he looks like he’s a bit “light behind.” Will his rear end develop more or “fill out”? Is that part of the “committee” assembly? ;o)
Am developing my “eye,” I guess, and my ability to project maturation on a youngster. Any book suggestions?
I just stumbled across the most pathetic look 20 year old, unregistered, app mare someone was dumping on craigslist along with her unregistered filly. http://madison.craigslist.org/grd/1461120672.html Just a rack of bones. I E-mailed the owner, turns out the mare hasn’t seen a vet farrier or tube of dewormer in year. I managed to keep myself from chewing her ass and politely offer to buy the mare as and rehab her, giving her a good home. Stupid, greedy bitch was more concerned about making a buck off the old girl. Sarah Hanson YOU SUCK.
Hmm let’s see… maybe they consider his sire’s ability to clear the fence to breed the mare counts as talent… and said talent would be passed along??? lol. Hope the little guy finds a nice home… and some wormer.
My worst horse shopping experience was driving from Portland to Redmond, OR (a 3 HOUR drive one-way) to look at a “so-called” Andalusian/Arabian cross. The mare was TINY and, as soon as I arrived, noticed that her hind leg was extremely deformed. Now, I had told the seller that I wanted an endurance prospect. What about that leg spelled endurance to them?? Their response was “oh, she was born that way”!!! Also, she was the WORST example of an Andalusian/Arabian cross I’ve ever had the displeasure of seeing. They also couldn’t understand why they received so many phone calls since they were selling her for $1,000 (during good times). I guess that should have been my first clue, but good deals do exist! Anyway, I informed them that it would be advisable to let other potential buyers know of the deformity BEFORE they wasted their time coming out to look at a deformed horse!
The only upside was it was a beautiful day, my daughter went with me and we got to spend some quality time together!
What is LAEC, is it in the NW area?
Noshoes:
It’s hard to believe anyone that ignorant could get $10,500 for ANY horse. Where am I going wrong??! LOL
Ugh, he resembles the little dude I just discovered…
There was an ad on craigslist from a local known horse dealer/trade/backyard breeder that does everything under the sun from pony rides to trail rides to lessons to breeding… you get the point, anything with horses and to make a buck. The ad was for a friendly qh/app colt for very cheap, so I against my better judgment I contacted the person to go see him and find out what it was all about.
In short, this is what I was told… We don’t want him because;
1.He is by our stallion (an own son of Sunny Dee Bar wopptiedoo) and out of one of our very nice foundation appaloosa mares. The father is BUCKSKIN (omg, doesn’t that make him soooo pretty!?) and the app momma is VERY spotty…. The result? A fugly seal bay baby with NO app markings at all (go figure) So he is ugly, has no color, no spots and it doesn’t appear he will be getting any in the near future…
2. But, he can be double registered with the ApHC (appaloosa horse club) AND the AHQHA (American half quarter horse registry) <- very prestigious
3. He is a colt, if he was a filly they would have kept him to breed (omfg this is getting better!)
4. He would make a nice gelding, or stallion prospect for the right person =(
5.He is a late baby (only 4 months old now), we didn’t think his mom was going to take this year but we left her in with the stallion ANYWAY and poof, one day she just got huge and popped out little mister no spots…. Imagine
If he didn’t sell within the month they were thinking about shipping him off with whoever the shipper is that they buy from and sell to (I’m pretty sure it is an instant all inclusive trip to a Canada Slaughter house)
The poor little guy was never handled or halter broke, the day I went to look at him he came right up to me, I haltered him and lead him around, brushed him, and picked out all 4 feet. He acted like it was done every day even though in reality he was never touched.
There was a girl there that bought his half brother (same stud different mother) she liked her foal better because he was a palomino (however he was way fuglier which is just sad and he was too fine boned even for a foal his legs were pencil thin) however her foal was 8 months old and already lunging, wearing a saddle, and carting her kids around! Yippy! She was really thinking about getting Mr. Fugly No Spots as another foal for her kids to ride.
I asked what the asking price was, it was too much. You could not have paid me to take a horse like this anyway.
However, that night speaking about it to my fiancé he talked me into buying him anyway, just out of the kindness of my heart and something to feel good about. So I am now the proud owner of Mr Fugly No Spots whom I renamed since then. I have no idea what I’m going to do with him (other than geld him asp!) and vetted properly. I do feel good about buying him, however I feel terrible for supporting his low life breeder =(
He is still located on the farm where I got him because this all just happened last week and I have yet to find a better place to put him.. lucky for me I can get down there everyday to clean his stall (they only get cleaned once a week, and at least 6 horses are in standing stalls! Ugh!) but I’m hoping to get him moved out of there quickly.
Oh yeah, the good part is if I keep him there till April she has a vet that does geldings for ONLY $100! Oh, but he doesn’t really have a practice, but he is a vet, and his wife is his secretary and they work out of their house, but they only do friends horses…. But its only $100! (yah I feel totally good about THAT… not)
people…. ugh
Cdn – Thanks for mentioning the cost of lutalyse. I’ve never needed it, fortunately, so I didn’t know it was that cheap. $8 to prevent a foal that will eat that much the first 3 days after it is weaned…sounds like a good investment to me.
LAEC – Los Angeles Equestrian Center
Bummed I missed the Grand Prix. I love watching Richard ride – he’s amazing even if his one leg does really weird things.
Ok I’ll jump ….we just saved this gal from the Mexican Rodeo. I outbid them at the Petaluma auction. We are SAFER (Sonoma Action For Equine Rescue) The vet – who is an FEI rider – actually said she has excellent Hunter/Jumper potential just needs care and some groceries. Four years old with papers, untatooed and unraced, about 17 hands EXCELLENT with people, said to be saddle trained – don’t know yet. This picture was taken the day after we got her from the Petaluma auction. Hasnt been wormed, trimmed etc. Just some treatment for that rain rot – and some lovin’. I named her Serafina – as the vet was looking at me with his pen on the blood vial label.
I submit her for a FUGLY horse evaluation. (Yikes!) SHE NEEDS A HOME that can commit to her continued education in a way that does not ruin her current regard for the human species.
Someone please upgrade Woody and her other horses! They are located in Tofield Ab. There is an acution mart there and I hope that they don’t end up there. These horses would be good for non breeding pleasure riders.
Heres Woodys add
http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-pets-livestock-for-sale-HORSES-FOR-SALE-MUST-SELL-VERY-REASONABLY-PRICED-MAKE-AN-OFFER-W0QQAdIdZ168986611
And her other horses
“Legend did have training on him at one point but then went through a bit of a rough patch with worms and had to stop. He’s now been 100% better for a couple of years now.” quote from her add. If she had wormed him properly in the first place he wouldn’t have had a “rough patch with worms” Why would you even say that, she makes herself look like a total dushbag! No only that if he had to stop training a couple of years ago and hes only hes only 3 yrs then what kind of training was she doing with him as a yearling. I hope it was ground work. And I believe that by black roaning she meant grey. Know your colors people. Roan doesn’t happen they are born like that. Hes just greying slowly. Thank goodness she was smart enough to remove 2 body parts that he really didn’t need!
http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-pets-livestock-for-sale-HORSES-FOR-SALE-MUST-SELL-VERY-REASONABLY-PRICED-MAKE-AN-OFFER-W0QQAdIdZ168985740
Charm she’s a chestnut/bay. Thats a color you know, they are so alike that you cant tell them apart! At least she looks a bit more healthy then the rest. But she a confo crash! No hip, not even going to start about the back legs, upside down neck. She claims that both charm and legend will “melt any child’s heart”. Sure they might bee good kids mounts but not now! They need training! Real training!
http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-pets-livestock-for-sale-HORSES-FOR-SALE-MUST-SELL-VERY-REASONABLY-PRICED-MAKE-AN-OFFER-W0QQAdIdZ168984792
This one is Woodys mom
http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-pets-livestock-for-sale-HORSES-FOR-SALE-MUST-SELL-VERY-REASONABLY-PRICED-MAKE-AN-OFFER-W0QQAdIdZ168982831
Anybody know what a tire kicker is? Im interested.
Well, lets see…. Mostly I have gone to see horses whose temperaments were completely unsuitable for what they were advertised to be. For instance, I went to look at a well-bred, gorgeous Arabian mare at the prompting of my trainer. She was very low priced for her build and amazing breeding. She had simply slipped through the cracks. The family who owned her advertised her as a bomb-proof horse suitable for a beginner or children’s mount. I went to see her and they told me to hop on bareback. I rode her around the ring and she was decent enough, although with zero formal training. She flung her head repeatedly and pulled on the reins. I asked to ride her down the street. She was good for me there. They didn’t want me to ride her fast than a trot. That raised a red flag, but I bought her anyways because it was a great deal for her even if she wasn’t broke. I started doing ground work at home because I never ride a new horse (beyond the initial test ride) until I know them better and have their respect on the ground. Guess what she did at a lope? She stopped and reared over backwards. After that first flip she decided to do it even at a trot. There was no way I was getting on that horse, and there was no way she was children’s horse! She got over it (from the ground I might add) and ended up being an amazing mare. But she wasn’t suitable for a beginner or a child in the least. And guess what? When we went to pick her up and pay the guy, he was STONED. They were crackheads. Frickin wonderful huh? This mare was by *Gotcha (by Negatraz) and out of an El Paso daughter. I really wish I hadn’t decided to move to Wyoming for awhile, because I had to sell my horses to go there (and I ended up moving back..horseless.
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Lessee. I bought a gelding who was supposed to be perfect for reining. He was Impressive bred and had apparently been a halter gelding at one point. He was 3 and had bone spavins and would have had to have his hocks fused if I wanted to do more than lightly ride him once in awhile. That is when I learned not to be pressured into a quick decision (without a vet check I might add) by my idiot father.
I looked at a mare who was supposed to be a great trail horse…who bucked my friend off when she got on for a test ride. I bought her.
She was super cheap ($350) but she was by a son of Miss Peppy San and I needed a project. She bucked me off twice, but ended up being a really nice little reiner. Was she ever a good trail horse? No. She was reactive and sensitive and was a pain to ride on trails because she would flinch at every little thing. With allot of work she was respectful of me and never bolted or did anything naughty on a trial ride, it just was never relaxing. You always had to be on your toes. All of that sensitivity made her amazing at reining though, but not a good recreational trail horse! Lol.
One gelding I looked at was a reiner prospect as well. I rode him and he PACED. He was gaited Quarter Horse. First and last one I have ever seen. It was weird, and did not make for a good reiner. The horse literally would not trot, just pace. And the guy wanted $4500 for him. All he had done with him was ride him through the mountains. Thats wonderful, but not $4500 wonderful IMO.
I think the worst suited horse I looked at was a big anglo-arabian though. They were advertising him as a HUS and Dressage horse. That thing had the WORST stride in the world. I rode him and almost bounced right off. In fact, I started loping him and he stepped in a hole and I flew off over his head because I was barely keeping my seat before he mis-stepped. Isn’t the point of a Dressage horse to be fluid with a beautiful, sweepy stride? Not a choppy, short little trot that flings you out of the saddle?
Hardysmom – is that the leg he broke? I was reading about how he competed with a broken leg and rode the whole course without stirrups. Now that’s a rider!
Oh, and jellybeanann, I agree about the height! Whats more is not only do idiots advertise a 14.2 horse as 15.1, but idiots who come out to see your horse don’t know what height is either. I was trying to sell this Arabian gelding who was 14.2hh. He was TOO small for me! I said this in the ad. I posted recent photos of him. This lady came out to look at him was gone within 10 minutes. She looked right at me and said, “This horse is NOT 14.2…This horse is probably 13 hh. He is just a pony. I drove all the way out here and you lied!” I was so pissed off! I took out a measuring tape and measured the damn horse right in front of her. He was EXACTLY 14.2 hh. She still stood there and tried to insist my tape was wrong and I asked her to leave. She was severely insulting. Freaking LEARN SOME MATH people!
Jumper Prospect?! He no doubt jumps the fence looking for food and love!
I have to admit I am the biggest sucker for homely horses such as this though (blush).
I think he’s adorable.
~DD
That poor baby! I think people should have to apply to get approval SOMEWHERE before they breed ANYTHING! I know a lot of people wouldn’t like that idea, but at least have a reason and a specific purpose as to why you’re breeding. BYB who breed to sell and make money don’t care about horses. I’d have no problem buying a horse from a breeder if the dam and sire ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING.
I never actually went looking for a horse. My horse picked me at the Enumclaw auction. She stared me down. I have been taking dressage lessons, and had my current trainer with me at the auction. I knew it was a gamble, but she had a good build and a kind eye and I was in a position to take a gamble. (It paid off!)
A girl who gave lessons (I won’t call her a trainer…) from our barn was upset that I bought her and had wanted her for jumping. I explained that her long pasturns and that she was slightly over at the knees that she WOULD not make a good jumping horse. She’s not built to last if she’d be jumped. It was an interesting battle, and I was always afraid that she’d take Denali out without permission and ride her over the jumps to “prove to me” that she could jump. Yes, she could, but I wanted to have a horse that wasn’t crippled with issues because of jumping.
http://www.wildponybeast.blogspot.com
TBDancer….with an upright shoulder he’ll have a short, choppy stride. With this sort of movement he’ll sort of “pound” the ground rather than sweep across it when he moves. This will mean allot more consussion and damage to his joints. Also, it’ll make him super uncomfortable to ride without the pretty, long stride required in most English disciplines. Straight pasterns only add to the up and down pounding his joints will be taking. Add long pasterns to that and you are setting yourself up for lameness issues. Long pastern simply are not as strong as short ones. They are weaker and more prone to injury and will break down with hard work. Being coon-footed on top of it all really sets the horse up to fail because the hoof doesn’t support the pastern properly and is just going to lead to general lameness. Maybe navicular, maybe sprains or bowed tendons, or all sorts of things. At least its no club-footed, which would be even worse. I have an App QH who is coon-footed but it can be properly managed by a good farrier.
http://omaha.craigslist.org/grd/1469275916.html
No comment…
This is unbelievable. I live in the eastern part of upstate New York, and it’s not backyard breeders that mess things up so much as the Thoroughbred breeders (like Ernie Paragallo) who stuff their farms with hundreds of horses and then don’t bother to feed them. That poor baby in the picture—a jumper? Unless it gets wormed and fed, it won’t be anything. That people put horses through this kind of mistaken-identity thing infuriates me.
Or maybe this goes on right under my nose and I wasn’t aware of it until I started reading Fugly. Keep it comin’; I never miss a day.
Does anyone have any tips for reading a faded TB lip tattoo? I just adopted an older TB mare with an unknown history and was pleasantly surprised to find a tattoo. I can clearly identify a 5 right in the middle, and can see the basic round shape of the ones on either side of the 5, but I can’t identify the letter at the beginning or get any real definitive numbers on the others.
Any tips?
I bought my horse in March after only looking at one other horse. I will admit that I am a Craigslist addict and found both the first horse I looked at and the great horse I have right now on CL.
The first horse I looked at was a 1/2 Arab, 1/2 Saddlebred, 2 year old. I asked for a picture and the owner sent me one – he looked pretty darn good. So I twisted my sister’s arm and out we went to look at him. OM Frickin’ G – when we got to her place we couldn’t believe it. A trailer (nothing wrong with that, don’t misunderstand me!) surrounded with more frickin junk than you can possibly imagine – furniture, lawn tractors, horse stuff, cars, construction stuff – just a disaster area. The owner wasn’t there – we were backing out the driveway and here she comes – so we get out to look at the horse anyway. She must have shot the picture with him up on a hill – he looked at least 15 hands in the picture but in the flesh he couldn’t have been more than 14 hands. Thin, wormy, still a colt, in the field with his mother, just the FHOTD poster child. He had offset cannons and just was not what I was looking for.
The condition of the rest of the horses upset my sis and I so much that we went back to offer her help. She turned it down. We found out there was no running water in the trailer. Found out later that she is a known nut case. Felt so sorry for the horses that we called the humane society. Probably didn’t do much good, but at least we tried. What a mess. This, however, is what one gets when one likes to bargain shop from CL! :-!
As far as height – my boy is a true 15.2, sticked and all. He is a big Arab. Since I have a lot of first hand experience with what 15.2 looks like, it was a hoot to go to an Arab sale last weekend and see what people were stating was 15 hands and above. Come on folks, those horses were no bigger than 14.2 on a good day. You aren’t fooling anyone! Get a stick out and stop kidding yourselves!
I worked for Richard Spooner as a 2nd job after I got done galloping in the mornings. You have no idea what a good horseman he is. He is absolutely one of the best and never takes shortcuts. He also believes in people and hasn’t got time for people with excuses. In the end he even trusted me to school his 2 best horses at the time, Robinson and Kirk. By the way we never schooled in gadgets. Plain snaffle always.
Terri
Ah crappage! Well, I’m in the Edmonton area, but on the opposite side from Tofield. I’ve got 2 foals but cannot afford to purchase another; however, if anyone of you super awesome readers out there wants to buy Woody, I’ll board him for $100/month. Feel free to contact me if you’re interested. shimmere@live.ca
In Feb. 2007 we outbid the KB on a yearling Percheron stud colt, paying $75. Unhandled, not halter/lead broke. “He” was ran into our trailer a 1 a.m. When “he” unloaded into quarantine pen the next morning, “he” turned out a filly. And clearly not a Percheron. Being a good looking rescue non-the-less, we didn’t care. Upon reaching 3 y.o., we trained the filly named Jack under saddle and she turned out to be the best non-gaited horse I’ve ever ridden.
In 2008 we bought a 10 mo. old 3/4 Haflinger stud colt and due to our non-existant experience, didn’t check for both testicles. In March of 09 the vet’s attempt to geld didn’t go further than a $36 nap in the pasture. In May we scheduled a surgery, but going through the inguinal ring the vet couldn’t find the testicle (add another $56 for the attempt). Finally, this month, we took RC to Dr. White of Sallisaw Equine Clinic, AR/OK border. He does a lot of care for racehorses. It took him seconds to locate the missing testicle going through the flank. Amazingly, it only cost $315. Considering the total price tag of $300 plus all the money spent on getting him gelded, I concider RC a rescue. Everybody, with no exclusions, who we’ve told about all the lengths we were going to in order to make RC a gelding, suggested that we were nuts for spending that much on a young untrained horse. But RC is good as gold, he is worth it to me even now. I’m looking forward to working with him in the coming Spring.
Thank you so much samsgirl. Stepping up to the plate!!! Im in Dawson Creek Bc close enough to get him but I have to many already.
I live near Spruce Meadows and have had the chance to watch many of the international events there, and have always had the same reaction to watching Richard Spooner. I have some pictures of him where he looks like a winning equitation rider, even over HUGE fences at a high speed, where you so often see flying hands and legs everywhere over that size of jump. (Of course not saying I can do better… just that this is another indication of Spooner’s skill level).
Equilibrium – I’m jealous, what an amazing experience that must have been. I’m also not surprised to learn he’s not a fan of gadgets. He actually has control…you can see where it has been slowly built from the ground up. That’s what impressed me so much.
“get him now and get him started, the earlier you start the better!”
AAAARGH
jellybeanann says: November 18, 2009 at 7:22 am
“Off the topic question, I have a neighbor whos pony colics everyday, pale gums around 8am and down most the rest of the day. Call the owner twice a day, she called a vet the first day he did in, its been four days of it now, would calling AC do anything? He has feed and water, all of her mares are FAT but this poor thing hurts all day long. Breaks my heart to see him like this all day.”
Jellybeanann, the pony may be suffering from ulcers, or stones in its gut (enteroliths). Is its water clean? If not, it may not be drinking and is dehydrated, which could cause impactions. Is the hay moldy?
Thanks, Firelight27. Your assessment is also what I’ve been able to learn from online searches.
Do you have a good book to recommend on horse comformation? I’d like a very comprehensive book on conformation for foals through mature adults. Have a call to my vet to see if he has one to recommend, written for laymen. I know a lot of conformation problems are NOT problems if the horse isn’t used for certain things — like long pasterns and jumping.
MinnieMae, for reading a faded tattoo, don’t shine a bright light at it ;o) Try to read in natural light and also take photos. Sometimes that helps. The Jockey Club offers free tattoo reading services now — when I had my search, it cost $$ — but if you have several options for the tattoo, they can check them all for you and not break the bank.
Afinenettle: She looks balanced, nice shoulder and hip angles though the photog is a bit behind the shoulder to truly assess that. Nice neck, comes out a bit high in front, but again w/ angle of pic — hard to tell. Alert, friendly despite crappy circumstances of feedlot auction.
Front left looks a bit thick below knee, but again that could be the angle. Could also be stocked up from lack of movement.
My “novice eye” assessment ;o)
afinenettle:
I like that mare – a lot! If I didn`t already have two to feed I`d be very tempted to take her. The only things I can see that might be wrong are it looks like she`s a little ewe necked, and her shoulder may be a little straight. BUT that may also be the angle of the picture, so it`s hard to tell with her looking straight at the camera.
Richard Spooner rocks! I remember seeing him on OLN riding at Spruce Meadows sans stirrups because he had injured his leg. I believe it was a jump off, and he did win. I`ll have to google to check, my memory`s a little fuzzy, but do remember being floored at what a fantastic rider he is!
Yup, just googled and my memory is fuzzy. Richard`s stirrupless ride was at Indio, and he only placed fourth – but still wowed everyone. And he had a broken fibula.
What a fantastic rider he is.
A pretty horse doesn’t cost anymore to keep than an ugly horse!!
With that said why the f*%@ do people breed these? Why?
Maybe they don’t realize if they bred a “pretty horse” people might actually want to buy it.
You’d swear with all these posts that ugly horses could be kept for a dime a day the way these people breed them.
OT Does anyone here live near Columbus Montana? I have a friend who has found her dream horse on line but she lives in California. The horse seems to good to be true and to me the pictures of the horse in the add look like 2 different horses, the first 4 pic’s don’t look like the 5th. Supposedly they told her she can have the horse for $1500 and that is far below market value even in todays market. I told her if she’s serious then she needs to fly out there but I figured I would see if anyone on here is local to that area and may be able to take a look. Here is the add for the horse http://www.horsetopia.com/for-sale/classifieds/ad421773 Is it just me or does anyone else feel like this is a to good to be true deal? Thanks
tbdancer – imho the best way to learn about conformation and the skeleton of the horse is through deb bennett’s website and her amazing “conformation biomechanics” dvd. as a matter of fact, it is on sale now for $79.95, down from $89.95. the amount of information in there is astounding. i have been a student of the horse for over 53 years now, and i sit in awe at what i don’t know that deb bennett does!!! her website is called ‘equine studies institute’ and you can purchase all of her material from there. she is a most profound horseperson that shares her knowledge in an easy and willing fashion.
To Missmyhorse:
Hmmm? Ad sounds a little too good to be true at that price. This is just my opinion….so you can take it for what its worth…. I am just curious as to why this horse is priced so cheaply. He looks like a horse that someone would be asking ALOT more for. And if he was for sale at that price, why hasn’t he sold already. Some of the description sounds off to me……What I see when I look at these pictures is a horse that is very athletic, forwad moving……and appears to potentially be HOT. I would not recommend a horse like this for a beginner like they state in their ad.
Speaking from experience in the past, I have driven over God’s country and back to look at horses that look NOTHING like the photos that were sent to me and acted NOTHING like the owner had told me.
Don’t get me wrong…I am sure there are awesome horses out there that are trained to the hilt being sold for far less than their true value. But something about this horse makes me think…..”when something is too good to be true…it usually is!”
Good luck to your friend!
Hope your friend
FlyinSoLow, your situation sounds exactly like one my friend is going through right now–same aged colt, similar breeding, similar breeders! E-mail me at imperialhighness@hotmail.com if you want to compare notes! I’d love to chat!
” Here is the add for the horse http://www.horsetopia.com/for-sale/classifieds/ad421773 Is it just me or does anyone else feel like this is a to good to be true deal? Thanks”
His mane may be braided on the left in most of the pics, then loose in the last one.
Regardless, I suspect that without the saddle you will see he is quite low in the back as well as high behind. He appears very tense in the neck.
Even if someone can see him and thinks he’s okay, she should go see and try the horse and of course have a vet check. As I said, I suspect he doesn’t look so good without the saddle.
Missy – there is no way in hell that the Friesian horse in those pics – any of them is worth only 1500.00. I live in Mt. but far from Columbus. Not really willing to travel there either. But that’s ludicrous, too good to be true. Have your Cali friend contact local Friesian people in Cali and have them check it out via breeders, trainers, etc. Believe me, he is all of our “dream horse” but this is way to good to be true.
Yes, the jumper prospect. Geez, he’s not even going to make a trail horse without wormer. People need to stop owning horses without knowing shit about them.
Wow, that poor horse. Yeah there is no way he could be a jumper. Some people.
Hey fugs I thought you might be interested in this story. A twelve year old thorouhbred mare named Grand Forks, a daughter of Quiet American, was almost raced today after not racing for NINE YEARS. The stewards eventually scratched her in the paddock prior to the race. Here is the news story.
http://www.drf.com/news/article/109010.html
@Denali: BYB who breed to sell and make money don’t care about horses. I’d have no problem buying a horse from a breeder if the dam and sire ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING.
I’m pretty sure the people really breeding to sell are getting Mommy and Daddy out and about
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Missmyhorse – the cheap friesian is most likely a fake/scam listing. They have been running tons of that type of ad all over the horse selling sites. Here’s one in NM that looks like it stole the pix from the same place as your listing:
http://www.horsetopia.com/for-sale/classifieds/ad420399
Search Friesian Scam in the Horsetopia forums for a dozen threads on the subject. Register there to see the ones in the “Advice about buying/selling” section.
He could end up being a cute horse with a worming schedule and proper care. I wish my *$#@ scanner was working so I could post a pic of my childhood 1/2 arab as a yearling who was beyond fugly (my mother wrote on the back of the pic “a rag, a bone, and a hank of hair”) who ended up being a halter champion.
Missmyhorse – I looked at that ad and think scam. There is no mention of his breeding or registration. The side that his mane is on is inconsistent. Based on the info in that ad, a real friesian of that age and training would cost between $20k and $30k. (I purchased a friesian last year).
The red flags are waving madly.
Missmyhorse, there is huge fresian horse scam going on with horsetopia. It’s been going on for quite a while. Tell your friend NOT to send money to these people. Sorry….
I have an older mare who was advertised as a ranch horse, super broke and in great condition… They had been working her on cattle all summer and she was ready to go work cattle for you… Being sold completely sound. I drove nearly two hours to see her. She was in a tiny pen, on a slope, with two other horses and a building in the middle that she barely fit under (she is a big girl). She was real thin, but she is Impressive bred so she has that perpetual muscle tone even when skinny. Her feet were a mess – had not been done in months, owner said “I think she finally walked out of her shoes” – her coat was dull and hadn’t really shed out, and she is sway backed (they tried to convince me she is just high withered – well she is, and also as long as a limo and sway backed). They bought her to breed her but she wouldn’t settle (she is 18 and has had 7 registered babies, 5 with show records), so they were selling her (that is not what they told me, that is what I deduced). I rode her, bareback and in a halter, but not past a walk, she moved funny and thought a lot of it was her feet. I loaded her up and took her home. She has since gained weight and has a beautiful glossy winter coat. She is a character and an absolute love. I ride her, but let her set the pace. She rarely goes past a jog, but what a great jog it is. She is on medication for the arthritis in her knees and stays comfortable. She is on a 6 week trim schedule which is also helping her move around pretty well. She was nothing like the horse they advertised, but like so many of you, I could not leave her there. She has earned a good retirement, and now she has one.
Fugs, you recently put up a picture of an old rescue mare that you have and they are nearly conformational twins.
I saw an ad for my mare on an MSN site for our state WI horses…
I wanted a horse that I could use for combined training and jumping. The filly I looked at was tall…
I did a quick scan of her, looked her over and made the decision that although she was narrow chested.. she had good legs and a nice size to her.. She was 15.2 honest at 2.5 yrs old.
450 dollars later and 5 yrs.. I still have her, we do some small jumping, barrels, trails, parades.. dressage
This pic is about 2 yrs old..
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o122/Wnnahrse/Horses/DSCF0663.jpg
And here is us doing dressage
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o122/Wnnahrse/Horses/Indidressage.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o122/Wnnahrse/Horses/indidressage2.jpg
She is a saddlebred cross, we think with hackney or TB…
So do you think she will jump 3 ft??
Most of the horses I have bought were before Craigslist and online advertisers.
I think I have yet to go look at a horse I have seen online except for the regional or Multiply type state horse groups.
I look at them all the time though and do scoff at prices for el crapo horses.
Let me know what you think of my horse.
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Missmyhorse, That ad has some red flags to me. There is no phone numbers and other ads in that category do. Has your friend actually talked to this seller or is it all through emails? Also some of the description appears to have been written by someone whom English is not their first language. She should proceed very carefully. We had similar ads show up on our local Craig’s List for dogs and were great sounding with ridiculously low prices. It was almost like they were written by someone who thinks $50.00 is a lot of money or in this case $1500.00. Lots of people complained and the ads stopped. We never could figure out what the scam was since this advertiser never responded to any one. Remember that if it sounds too good to be true it probably is not true.
I’m in the middle of a breather from horse hunting; I just got too frustrated. I have gone to look at over 50 horses. I rode about 15. Some I took one look at in the stall and said “WTF.” They are almost never what the ad says they are and few even match the pictures. I made an offer on one and the price ‘suddenly’ doubled. The second can’t pass the vet (I sent the vet back because I loved the horse!) Horses are generally at least a hand shorter than advertised. I want something under 16 hands. So I looked at 17 hands and under! And if I had a dollar for everytime I have heard “they are much better when in a program” then I would be able to spend a million dollars on a horse! I got so frustrated that I stopped looking because I was afraid I would buy something just so I had something to ride instead of buying the ‘right’ horse. Horse people give horses a bad name!
And this poor wormy baby that is the topic of the blog, he won’t be a jumper until somebody puts some serious amounts of love, wormer, groceries and training into him. Unless we’re just talking about the typical ‘jumping’ out of the pature! Poor guy.
Missmyhorse — yes, it does sound too good to be true. Buying horses online can be dicey…it is ALWAYS best to go see the horse in person before making a deal. My boyfriend runs a horse transport business…last summer, one of his clients purchased a (and I quote from the ad) “5 year old, 100% sound, well-broke” spectacular (from her pictures) Andalusian mare online for just $3000. Guess what? The facility the horse was to be picked up from didn’t even exist. The seller predictably disappeared. Buyer beware!!!
@MissMyHorse:
I’m a little wary as to why she is getting rid of him. If he’s 100% sound and sane, he should be going for at least $7,000, probably higher in the dressage world.
Missmyhorse, I can pretty much tell you it’s fraudulent. No one puts that much time and money into a horse and then just offers to give it away for $1500 over the internet. If you owned a horse like that, wouldn’t you want to make sure it’s going to a good home?
There’s no phone number, only an email address.
http://www.horseville.com/php/view.php?id=233855
Here’s the same horse for sale with a different owner, different name, etc. etc. He’s for sale here in Philidelphia.
http://www.adoos.co.uk/post/8435149/friesian_gelding_is_up_for_sale
Here he is for sale in England..
you get the picture.
Don’t let your friend send them any money.
I was ready to shoot someone a few years ago when I was horse shopping. I was looking for a purebred Arab, minimum 15.1h, preferably greenbroke or better, must be well bred, well made and sane, if possible a mix of egyptian and polish breeding from performance stock. I wanted a show prospect, if it was a mare I wanted one with the bloodlines, body and talent to one day be good enough to breed. I am always very clear and upfront when buying a horse because I don’t want to waste my time or theirs. If I couldn’t find an Arab I liked, I would consider a warmblood, fine boned, good conformation with lots of trot. I have no interest in breeding warmbloods, so mare or gelding and bloodlines didn’t matter as much as talent and movement.
So, horse #1 was “a well bred, chestnut Arabian mare with lots of chrome, trained hunter but a little rusty after time off (her owner had been in an accident and couldn’t ride for 6 months) who had great breeding (but the seller didn’t have her papers handy while on the phone and couldn’t remember the exact lines) and with a little time and work would be a nice show and broodie prospect”. I dragged my mom and sister with me on a 3 hour trip to find a crooked (I’m still waiting to see a pic of that trainwreck on here one day), lame (dislocated her hip and a calcified chip in her hock!!!), unbroke psycho (according to the barn owner she was the “accident” that caused her owner not to be able to ride), might have some Arab blood mixed with a whole lot of Appy and God knows what, that “can’t be stalled or pastured alone”, bites and kicks when walked, unridable, unregistered POS. The only thing that made the trip even remotely worthwhile was the 70+ year old barn owner who delighted in following us around and snarking on everything the seller said. (She was hilarious!)
Horse#2 was supposed to be a 12 year old, 15.2 grey gelding with a decent show record. Another long as hell drive later, I am staring at a horse that is easily in his 20′s (turned out he was 23 on his papers… guess math wasn’t his owner’s strong suit), 14h at best, with a snotty nose and a raspy cough. His show record ended about 15 years ago, about the same time he developed heaves.
Then there was the stunning Arab stallion, well bred, well made, greenbroke but smart… the problem was that the seller insisted he go as a package deal with another stallion who needed a hook to snag his halter because no one could go in his stall. I know stallions. I have had good stallions and bad stallions (they don’t stay stallions for long) but there was no way in hell I was risking my life with that fruitcake gelded or not.
My search for a warmblood resulted in several over priced horses whose owners cared more for fancy names than fancy movement, a thoroughbred X clydesdale that was neither thoroughbred not clyde, and a goofy, palomino, dumb-blond dumb-blood who’s owners were so out horsed he was almost dangerous. I only went to see the palomino to stop my mother from emailing me pictures of him (she LOVES palominos, I don’t do trendy color breedes).
Chemistry and fate are a weird thing, because I ended up falling in love with the big goofy blond. He is now a well mannered, well trained but sadly untalented horse that can be trusted even with the most beginner rider.
Hey Fugs,
Poor baby, that little girl needs an upgrade and some babies look really bad at certain stages and then they turn out beautiful. No gaurantee on babies hehe.
FHOFTD why do you keep saying arabians have no hip? It is like saying all quater horses are built downhill. I know you like quarter horse/race/polo horse conformation, but your conformation likes and dislikes are not the only way to look at conformation. You have a tendency took look at muscle development instead of skeletal structure just something I noticed. I don’t mean to be rude just wondering why? Arabians have the same hip length but angled differently for the sport they are breed for. I figured a guru of horses as yourself would notice this?
Thanks everyone for thee feedback on the Friesian add, I thought it was a scam even before I looked at the listing. I hated to discourage my friend when she was so excited about finding that horse. I think it will help her to see I’m not the only one who thinks that add is to good to be true.
Cathy,
Yeah, he is a great guy. Funny thing is when I used to gallop I always had a second job and sometimes a 3rd because it was simple to make really great money and I couldn’t spend it. I pretty much begged him to give me a chance. I still drop him a line to see how he’s doing. All the things he used to say to me still stick in my head. Oh and he’s a great lover of full TB’s for jumping. Near enough the only GP rider who is.
As for the other part of your thread today, that is just appaling. Poor little foals. People still never cease to amaze me.
Terri
Missmyhorse – Friesian scam here in Australia to. A Friesian X was advertised on http://www.myaushorse.com for $2000, see ad under scam warning tab. Price was too good to be true.
Here is what a potential buyer had to say about trying to see the horse.
I too had similar dealings with this person… After numerous emails (only) trying to find out about the horse (if it exists) was told it was in CAMEROON and had been moved there recently (sent by express parcel !!)
This person cuts and pastes from your email and sends back jibberish with little or no information, and the answers you do get don’t make sense.
CAMEROON and NIGERIA are notorious for Internet SCAMS – do not send any money via Western Union to these countries because you will never see your $$ again, nor hear from them again.
WATCH OUT….
I downloaded this from the internet…
CAMEROON AFRICA PET SCAM – THERE IS NO HORSE. THIS IDIOT PET SCAMMER IS LOCATED IN CAMEROON AFRICA. BEWARE, THIS CAMEROON AFRICA PET SCAM IS ALL OVER THE INTERNET. You can identify these pet scammers because they will insist you pay by money order or wire transfer. NEVER wire funds via Western Union, MoneyGram or any other wire service — anyone who asks you to do so is a scammer. Google “Cameroon Pet Scam†for more information. ALL OFFERS OF PETS FROM CAMEROON AFRICA ARE SCAMS, WITHOUT EXCEPTIONS!
Maybe the horse your friend is looking at is genuine, but please be careful.
Jill from Oz
I need to know what you all recommend as a good book on conformation — not just what IS good conformation but how the parts — good and bad –work.
TBDancer, the book you need is “Equine Photos & Drawings for Conformation and Anatomy” by Juliet Hedge. A wonderful book that examines the conformation of the horse piece-by-piece starting at the head and working toward the tail. Each part of the horse is illustrated with drawings of bones, tendons, ligaments and muscles, plus photos of actual horses to show what is good conformation and what is not. It discusses things such as how straight shoulders affect movement, why bench knees are bad, how long pasterns affect soundness over the long term, etc. My only criticism of this book is that is has far too many pictures of heavily-muscled QHs and it’s sometimes hard to see structure under all that bulk. But overall it’s a VERY good book. Here’s a link to it on Amazon.com:
http://www.amazon.com/Equine-Photos-Drawings-Conformation-Anatomy/dp/0935842136/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=I1MQS9WULEGQ2P&colid=16V5R4WNX4XL4
I’m an Arab fan (I have seven) and I’m with Fugly. One of the most common conformation faults common to Arabs (especially BYB Arabs) is a poor hip — around our house we call it Arab butt. If you look at Nationals, you mostly won’t see it much. If you look at the top endurance horses, you won’t see it at all. If you go looking at $500 Arabs bred in some moron’s back yard, you see it a lot.
On the topic of good riders, I was always impressed by the British rider John Whitaker. Watching him ride Milton in the eighties was one of my favorite things Always loved the airs above the ground — Milton made it clear he loved his job. Here’s a You-Tube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pxwYCURa3U My favorite performance was an equitation class where the riders had to switch horses. John did a lovely job on whatever horse he had to switch to — but the poor man who had to ride Milton . . . not a nice thing to do to someone.
I was pony shopping two years ago for my then 7 year old daughter. We were looking for a move up pony, but of course temperment and safety were number one concern. I checked on this really cute pony, and the owner went on and on about how wonderful she was. She seemed like a very knowledgable horse person and I really felt this would be the pony for us. We got there, and the pony was every bit as cute as the picture. I had my video camera with me and began to film my daughter ride her. She pinned her ears when she got on, and my daughter had to practically beat her to get her to move out. As I was filming, the pony started to stop as she came by me. I flung my hands up to try to keep her moving, and she proceded to stop, turn her butt around to me, and backed me into the bushes, where I fell back in to while still filming. We have played the video back and laugh our heads off! The owner continued to talk about how adorable she was and how well my daughter rode her. It was all I could do to show respect to her until I could get out of there! They bad mouthed the pony down the street that we looked at, who we ended up buying and have found her to be the most wonderful pony on the planet!
Wnnahrse, I would not have looked twice at the first pic of your lovely mare because she looks like she has no hip (camera angle again), and her left front looks toed in. And she’s 2, which means she looks like she was put together by a committee ;o) Maturation works wonders. This is where my “eye” lacks the ability to see beyond what’s there and project forward to age 3, for example.
Hard to see her neck, too–it looks thin but is not upside down. She is uphill, too — a good quality for dressage.
But under saddle, she is lovely (more mature, better camera angle) and living proof that dressage training (regardless of the future use of the horse) will benefit EVERY horse. You should be very proud of her and of yourself for doing such a lovely job with her. She is a lucky girl ;o)
we have looked at alot of horses through the years!.we have always had older kids horses but when they pass on and its time to find anouther thats a challenge! i have learned people will say anything to make a buck and get the horse out of the back yard. when my sons appy had to be put down we searched high and low for a suitable replacement my poor husband was always the guinea pig. i will never forget the kid safe half blind ex barrel racer. they never mentioned the missing eye we tried him anyway and as soon as my husband swung his leg over that horse was off like a rocket! we looked at 15 horses not one was as advertised. we actually took a gamble on a old quarter horse with a horriable infection in his mouth that spread to his blood. he had to have surgery lost part of his lower jaw bone the bone had died. my son loved that horse and they rode together for three years. the old man was laid to rest here on the farm at 36yrs old when it was discovered his heart was failing (most likely due to that infection damaging his heart valves three years ago) and the meds for his heart were damaging his guts they quit working right we tried everything but in the end he was put down. we miss him
then theres the draft colt i bought at a garage sale. lady swore he was dangerous made me sign a waver that i wouldent sue her when he hurt or killed someone. he wasent even halter broke! we lured him into the trailer with food.hes got crappy conformation his toes turn in. but hes turned out to be an awsome trail horse and a great driving horse.
How to tell if an ad is a scam:
If a horse has a unique looking name, google it with parentheses and the horses breed. Like so: “T. sampson” friesian
You can also do this with a seller’s phone number, email address, and any other unique information to the add. I do this on Youtube all the time and am usually able to bring up home videos of the horses that the sellers didn’t want you to see or didn’t mention.
If your ad turns up on 15 different sites, and the seller is located in different cities, different names, the horses price changes, or the pictures of the horse change. It’s a scam.
http://www.horsetopia.com/for-sale/classifieds/ad421773
Of course this is a fake ad. They are using pictures from a ranch in the Netherlands. I know because I’ve bought several horses from him. This horse should be $20K or more. Looks like this person is trying to copy Trina Kenney and use other people’s pictures as their own.
I’m sure the horse is in great shape. That trainer does tend to ride some of the Friesians behind the vertical, which I don’t like, but that ranch mostly focuses on carriage horses. Also, in the NL, they laugh at us with our natural horsemanship. Alot of those Friesians that come from there don’t have the best ground manners. But this is a reputable ranch that has fantastic horses, only the person in this ad is not them.
Missmyhorse
I’d agree with the other posters. This is a fraud. This horse has been posted all over the US (& the UK).
Google t+jackson+friesian
I wish there was some way to lock people like this up for Good!
what a complete idiot. Sad thing is, there will likely be another idiot who calls themself a “trainer” who will persuade their “student” to buy a “prospect” like this one….until he can’t hold up and gets dumped and on to the next equine victim!
This could probably go under “too much trust in the horse” discussion too. But RC, my 2 y.o. cryptorcid Haflinger that finally got gelded last Thursday, the one that’s “good as gold”, decided to spook yesterday. The landowner drove up around the barn where RC is stalled on his 4wheeler, I’m assuming RC was sleeping at the time. Either way, up he went and over the gate. RC is very mellow, normally. But he picked this time of recovery to throw this trick. Anyway, the incision looked instantly more swollen than ever before and the vet suggests to bring him in for possible hernia. The outer stitches held, but they look a bit strained. We put a board a foot and a half above the gate to deterr any future attempts, but he seams non-chalant today. Whatever got into him?
@Wnnahrse
Aww, she’s pretty! I’ve heard somewhere that most horses can do up to 3-3’6″ properly conditioned, it’s the bigger fences that demand bigger talent.
Can I ask what brand your hunt coat is? I’m show clothes hunting, and “The Girls” are making it difficult.
alphamare says: November 18, 2009 at 6:04 pm†Here is the add for the horse http://www.horsetopia.com/for-sale/classifieds/ad421773 Is it just me or does anyone else feel like this is a to good to be true deal? Thanksâ€
Alphamare – I saw a similar ad about 6 months ago, a Freisian offered for a ridiculously low price by somebody who didn’t have time or some similar lame excuse. The horse was in Kentucky not Montana. I figured it was a scam so for grins I sent an email pretending to be an interested seller. She wrote back to say send the check and she’ll ship the horse. That’s fine if you’re buying tack, but her ad made a big deal of how she just wanted the horse to have a good home. She ddn’t ask me any questions to determine if I was somebody who could do that she also ignored the fact that I told her my shipper would pick up the horse. I suspect she was planning to take my money and either send a substitute horse or just disappear. I started feeling a little silly about playing Columbo so I let it drop.
The FBI and State Attorney Generals track fraud cases. You might try some of the Montana law enforcement websites to see if there are any complaints. If it sounds too bood to be true…..
The garbled text in the ads is pretty funny, once you realize it is a scam.
Here’s another one in NY:
“Teade jackson, popularly called T jackson, is a great friesian stallion, stunning looking, great with kids and other horses. he hasa warm temperament, good in traffic and requires a minimum riding experience from all riders. highly trained in dressage and hasa great level of competitive trail, enjoying both country english and western pleasures. for more info, please contact.”
Aww, when did they geld him? They must have figured out people wouldn’t want a stallion as much as a gelding …
From the UK ad:
“he has completed his 90 days training so his now a dressage horse and at such can stand with two back legs.”
Hooray! Levade in 90 days!
And T. Jackson loves “HER” peppermints. As well as “… a gentle personality and will do well with kids and other house pets.” I know that my future dressage star better get along with my other house pets, or no deal! BTW, terrific writing, scammers — are kids house pets?
The google search is great, where isn’t this horse listed! He’s in my state and in Ecuador, among other places. All different Friesian pics in each ad, too.
Interestingly, one of the USDF leading Fresian owners is “William T. Jackson.” Clever!
If you are looking for a Friesian, this guy needs a home. Doesn’t really have any business up here..
http://alaskaslist.com/1/posts/14_Farm_Garden/80_Horses/51844_Beautiful_2004_Friesian_Stallion_by_quot_Lukas_324_quot_.html
That poor horse. His pasterns are the first thing I noticed. Well…besides his horrendous coat.
I don’t know how to email you directly, Fugly. But I just read a story on drf.com (Daily Racing Form) that you might be interested in. http://www.drf.com/news/article/109010.html
The owner of the horse deserves to be on here.
I need some help pricing this pony mare. She was given to a neighbor. The neighbor is a very kind hearted person with a nice barn. Her horses are well cared for but she really doesn’t have the time or the need for this mare. She offered the mare to me, but I’m 5′9″ and my husband is 6′2″ and we both prefer riding hunter/jumper so the mare is not a good match for us.
The mare aka “Gypsy†is an unfortunate example of “I’m going to breed because I can make spotsâ€, but her confirmation is not as bad as some and her temperament is very good.
Any suggestions regarding pricing, terms, etc. for this mare who deserves a chance would be greatly appreciated. She’s located in Central Texas (Austin).
Four(4) year old paint pony mare. 14 hands. Has great temperment and is willing to do anything when asked. Vet-checked, vaccinated, Coggins and teeth have been floated. Lunges, ties, leads, good for grooming, washing and very patient/willing. Currently being ridden/trained by a small adult and doing very well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3quOqlTzYQM
I went to look at a cremello QH name Zeus several years ago, and he looked big and beautiful in the picture. They claimed he was 15.1hh, dead broke, etc.
We got there, and the place was a dump. The horses were well fed, but that’s about all the care they got. They were all ratty and the lady who was selling them was a typical redneck. She was as wide as she was tall (and wearing a spaghetti strap top… yikes) and she had the horse’s lead rope in one hand with a cigarette in the other. Not to mention that Zeus couldn’t have been an inch over 14.3 and was definitely much more attractive in the photo.
The lady also bred Rottweilers…
“If you are looking for a Friesian, this guy needs a home.”
Wow. Big red flag. Not a full Friesian; actually only 1/4. A grandson of Lukas, not “by” him. Odin is by Lukas. Promise’s dam is a TB; Odin’s dam is a Percheron.
I don’t know anything about Friesians, except that I met two at a Dressage test and loved them both. Do Friesians have “appendix” horses? Is it OK to call a horse like Promise a Friesian? Or is it dishonest?
Sure, I’d love to have Promise in my barn, but I’m not paying that much money for a crossbred. (Not to mention that we have to sell our horse place.)
Ruthie
Ruthie
KJJ, I had looked at that book on Barnes & Noble’s Web site and figured pix for learning about conformation would be good. Thanks for the suggestion. I do the conformation “quiz” in H&R and other magazines and am usually wrong on the second/third choices. Frustrating, but “incentivizing” ;o)
Jeannetta84, I agree with you on that DRF story. The owner is definitely FHOTD fodder.
KJJ, I had looked at that book on Barnes & Noble’s Web site and figured pix for learning about conformation would be good. Thanks for the suggestion. I do the conformation “quiz” in H&R and other magazines and am usually wrong on the second/third choices. Frustrating, but “incentivizing” ;o)
Jeannetta84, I agree with you on that DRF story. The owner is definitely FHOTD fodder.
afleetalex & jeanetta84:
I just read that article too, that is INSANE. I can’t believe that someone would try to do that for one, and I also can’t believe there isn’t a rule against that. Here there is a rule stating that unless the horse has been running successfully up to that point, the horse cannot be entered after it is 9 years old. If the horse has been running well the horse may continue to run after it is 9 years old provided the commission vet allows it too up to a max of 13 years.
Despite it being a bad idea for the horse, I don’t know why someone would want to race a horse that old even if they don’t give a shit about the horse. I would eat my shoes if that horse even crossed the wire, yet alone placed.
poor little guy.
littlebigred
I think that shes is adorable. The kind of pony that I could just randomly walk by and have the urge to hug. I’m a sucker for pinto ponies though.
littlebigred, that is a cute pony! Sure I could start picking her conformation apart, but she looks like a doll and I wouldn’t mind seeing that cute face poking over the stall door every morning. With a bit more training and experience “out and about” you might know what sort of a kids’ horse she’d make. (Not for a true beginner, as she’s obviously green, but perhaps as a second horse.) I can’t say anything about pricing, though.
i’d say they have a six month old steak prospect. what are they, stupid?
OT, how to NOT to take pictures to advertise your horse:
Mud with added pony anyone?
http://youngstown.craigslist.org/grd/1470077067.html
Or maybe some shrubs and tress with added paint horse?
http://erie.craigslist.org/grd/1467482023.html
stunning silhouette of a horse maybe?
http://erie.craigslist.org/grd/1457690868.html
or how about tiny pixel horses?
http://youngstown.craigslist.org/grd/1456628995.html
Or does anyone want a Zebra? http://youngstown.craigslist.org/grd/1442609540.html
Ok maybe they are comparing their foal to these foals (Not!!!!)
http://www.sportingchancefarm.com/2008_foals.htm
Poor fugly little guy. Clueless owners like this kill me. In this economy you can buy a really nice, well bred horse for what they’re asking for this little mutt. I see it all the time around here, people selling super nice horses for $500 or less because they can’t afford to keep them anymore. Some friends of ours just picked up a gorgeous blue roan, nicely built 2 y/o Foxtrotter gelding, blue papered, for $100.