Who lets these people breed?
Dec 29 2007
I ask you. Is there anything about this that any of you think could have been a good idea?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rex9Ygn42IU
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Here’s a winner!! http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1021399
GREAT. She knows what a cremello is. So now lets teach her what conformation is!!
MUST SELL ASAP!!!! OoooooK. For $5000 as a stud prospect??
I’d be embarrased!
I could write a book or three of incidents where horses seemingly went against instinct, but then I have Arabians (WEG).
Though not all the horses in my stories were Arabians.
Some horses seem to act against instinct/self-interest freqently, while with others it’s an extraordinary circumstance, but there’s *something* going on in many equine noggins — not all, but a goodly number.
(None of which suggests that it is ever smart to fling a rug-rat on a loose horse, even if said rug-rat is packed in bubble-wrap and kevlar.)
I missed the ‘w’ key! oops!
to=two!
I’ll share I guess.
I was working with my mustang gelding, Shazaam in the round pen when I hear a huge swarm of bees but I couldn’t see them. There are mostly africanized bees in our area. I turned away from Shazaam to look hard across the desert but the buzzing just got louder and louder. I was almost deaf from the sound but I still couldn’t see them so I started to panic inside. I stood very still shaking. I had to be spouting adreneline like a volcano. Just as I was about to bolt or physically freak out in some way, I felt a soft nose on the spot between what would be my neck and my withers.
I immediately felt grounded (only way I can describe it) and the extreme tension left me. I started thinking again and took a step back into him to get closer. He hung his head over my shoulder and just stood there with me until it was over.
Just because an animal has the capacity to run blind without thought doesn’t mean they can’t reason. I usually test pretty darned high on all those silly tests we are given on IQ and aptitudes etc, throughout life. In fact I’m a very analytical person as a general rule.
I think animals are more complex than we give them credit for and man is much more egotistical than he realizes. My feeling is that any tests PhD.’s put them through cannot be directly compaired to humans’ responses because horses cannot speak to explain themselves. Sounds hokey maybe, maybe not.
I think I experienced what horses go through that day when they feel blind panic. I also experienced that if they have experience with a situation, they can help another get through it better. Maybe “horse training” is not as foreign to them as we think.
My horse could have panicked along with me because he can be spooky but he knew the situation and helped me through it.
Foolish to put a kid on a horse with no restraint, control the horse, and hang on to the kid at least.
marzbarz
I believe I have an example of the reasoning power of a horse. I was in the process of preparing to breed a mare with my paint stallion. I raised him and he has an excellent disposition, but I feel this goes over and above. The mare was prepped, and was displaying a standing heat. I washed the stallion, and as I approached, I tripped on my own feet and fell to the ground. I was within 6 feet of the mare with a fully aroused breeding stallion, age 10. Could have been a big rodeo, me trampled, the mare bred whether or not she was agreeable, a stallion loose, etc,etc. None of this happened, as “my boy” stopped, looked at me lying on the ground, and just the same as said, “Are you getting up so we can do this”? I did manage to get up with the help of his mane, he put his head down to me. I got my air back, us old folks hit the ground pretty hard, and continued with the breeding.
Needless to say I was impressed and grateful for the lack of action that was taken when I was at a disadvantage. I had dropped the shank when I hit the ground, so my stallion could have gone on to do whatever he wanted to do.
Just an example of how quick things can happen, even with all precautions taken.
Oh, by the way, the mare conceived, foaled a gorgeous solid colored colt that grew up to be a top rope horse and family horse for the mare owner. He has been shown in open shows, 4-h, and is the first choice mount of the un-horsy friends and relatives. He pays his way with earnings at ropings, but earns a forever home with his lovely disposition. Inherited do you think? Color doesn`t reach the brain btw!!!
Gosh haven’t we all been there? I’ve had both ends of the spectrum. I’ve had a horse I’ve known forever just lose it from something he/she has encountered a thousand times before. There is nothing like the walk of shame as you head up over the hill home while the search party is walking back to you with the naughty creature.
I had about sixty days on my four year old gelding, I was working out of a small show barn conditioning horses and working shows and sales. Anywho, there was not a soul in sight that day way out in the sticks when I decided to get my gelding out for a ride around the property. I was way out in the woods when we came to a small ditch with a little bit of water running through with a tree on each side. My gelding decided he was going to hop over and he did so diagonally. My thigh caught on the tree as he jumped off center and it literally spun me out of my saddle. I landed with my arm over my head, ribs hitting the exposed roots of the tree. I was hurt and nobody knew where I was. My gelding stopped, turned around and came right back to me. I managed to sit up and grab his mane to stand. He stood there and waited everytime I needed a break. He let me find a stump to get on and walked on eggshells all the way home. This is a hot little ticket that was shown saddleseat for a few years after the fact. This horse could’ve dumped me and just ran home but he didn’t.
I always assume that any horse I’m with is going to resort to the first paragraph. I’m now a Mom and my daughter rides, it’s my job to teach her to be safe and to know that a horse is a powerful animal that can hurt her in an instant. I can only hope she doesn’t do the same things I did when I was a youngter!
Loopy,
I have seen his half Arab get perform, and they all seem to be happy doing their job. They really don’t excel much outside of western pleasure classes, at this point. The foals have fallen in the hands of some of the top Arab/HA trainers. I would write them or call, and see more pictures and a dvd, if they have one. I always want to see a stallion move before I get to excited. As for Boogie – I would like a side view of his legs, especially lower legs. At this point, I certainly wouldn’t discount him – he would be a nice start. Figure out what you want to breed for (what event, talent, type, etc.), and talk to trainers who hae worked with his babies.
Hey I have an OT question:
Is brown sugar bad for horses? I’m making some homemade horse treats (I’ve never made any horse treats before) and I’ve seen lots of recipes calling for brown sugar. Thanks!
Blogger marzbarz said…
crunchberrys mom… I’d love to see some pix of your mare. Its hard to pick out a stallion without seeing your mare’s conformation and knowing what you’d like to see in the foal (if different from the mom). Obviously you would not want to breed to a stallion that might take away from her strenghs and/or add to any weaknesses, but there’s also your personal preferences!
December 30, 2007 11:55 PM
i don’t have any current decent pics of her, and we recently got a much needed 3 days of rain, so i wont be able to get a decent one until things dry out… i will post some once i get all the crust off her.:( she is a lil crooked up front (no where near duck category) she has also lost her topline muscling since i retired her. basically she is my pet now.
we still take an occasional bareback trot around the place to check fences. she is still very responsive to seat and leg, and still wears her fat, heavy snaffle bit i showed her in.
but she is a cool horse… lots of sense, and the judges here LOVED her! we went to tons of local shows and one big show in Atlanta, where she also placed well (2nd in horsemanship out of 40+ horses) i worked at a farm to pay for her professional training, and we had our eye on AQHA shows… but lack of funds at that time stole that dream.
she was somewhat of a celebrity here in her show days. a ‘professional trainer’ would withdraw his horses from classes she was entered in, in fact. some ‘professional’, huh? then he tried to buy her from me. he would almost break his neck trying to see who i had in the trailer when we pulled up at shows, lol! sometimes if i didn’t haul her, i would put her sleazy on my other horse to scare Sammy (‘pro’ trainer)
sweet, almost silly personality. she did western pleasure, showmanship, horsemanship. we even tried barrels once as a lark!
the foal will be our 1st and probably our only foal. my son is 15. he is looking forward to working with a baby, as am i.
that is she in the pic that comes up with my name… not a good pic, but it shows her huge booty,lol. that’s my son riding her. the stirrups were set to my length.i am sorta short, and Josh is approaching 6 feet… thats why he looks so funny, LOL!
I have sent the following email to two of your recent targets:
“The negative posts directed at you have come from a blog known for attracting people who don’t give a damn about how they treat other humans. All they care about is animals (which is great), but they have lost any humanity & kindness towards humankind while they endlessly seek their ‘joy’ appeasing their mean-spirited god, SNARK.”
Snark is truly funny. Intentionally inflicting damaging and malicious treatment on other humans is not funny. Especially the teenaged humans. Can you fuglies not think of a more productive way to influence young people for good? The young persons targeted recently in particular seem to be quite good candidates for responsible, loving, kind, long-term horse ownership. Way to be bitches towards them instead of cultivating their potential.
Fuglybetty,
you have a good heart. many kudos and points to you!
I agree completely.
Have a wonderful day!!!!
I haven’t seen anyone featured on the blog that is a candidate for loving responsible horse ownership and there IS a big difference between loving horses and being a responsible horse owner. Animal hoarders think they love their animals all the while they are abusing and neglecting them horribly.
I don’t hate humans. I hate the stupid, irresponsible and cruel things humans do to animals and each other for that matter. Well I could maybe hate the woman who beat the Pit Bull puppy on Animal Cops Houston until she had an orbital fracture and 13 broken bones. Or the woman who was too cheap to allow the vet to treat her filly horrifically wounded by a barbed wire fence and was keeping her tied in a horse trailer. Or the asshole who out of revenge dragged someone’s horse behind his pick-up until it was dead. I could hate those humans.
Most of the humans featured on this blog are worthy of a healthy dose of scorn and snark and maybe some disgust, but not hatred.
Fuglybetty, your post is full of more hatred than most on this blog.
UB – I agree. Im all for busting someones ass for breeding crap , an doing horriable things..
But cutting kids down aint my style.
Reckon for most of these people on here they have nothing better to do then cut someone down.
When I first came across this site I thought it was pretty damm brilliant an a good place to pick up knowledge about confo…
Now ya’ll have resorted to ganging up on kids? Kids that lack the ability to defend themselves against for the most part fairly intellegent people. They just kinda suck at life , thats all…
Did I miss something?? WHAT KIDS? What’s all the hullaballoo about kids?
Crunchberry-
Are you looking to streamline your baby down to even more of a performance horse? Or do you want a baby big and thick like she is? While conformation is of utmost importance, so is suitability.
I wouldn’t want to give you many nice studs that are the wrong type.
I haven’t been posting a lot lately but I have been reading everything and while I agree that sometimes things get carried away here I still think this blog does more good than harm.
If someone wants to use it for its educational value they will find a wealth of information. I know that since reading this I have found a whole new way of looking at the conformation of horses.
i love the way she is.. nice and thick. now that i’m gettin’ on up there in years, i don’t want any taller, that’s for sure!
my son, Josh, is interested in a horse he can just ride. (he knows it will be years before he can begin to ride it, and he has permission to ride Crunch when he wants to) he lost his interest in showing when we put our 35+ year-old gelding down.
so basically, something around 15.3 with a great attitude. color would be a plus, but not necessary… Josh has no real preference to color.
Off Topic…but
Herd of 10-13 Saddlebred’s (doesn’t she know how many she has?)
http://www.forfarmers.com/pets/p/American-Saddlebred-Herd.htm
And
Wants to buy 1-2 horses, sex, age, breed are unimportant….KB?
http://www.forfarmers.com/pets/p/American-Saddlebred-Herd.htm
And more ON topic…
2.5 yr old GREENBROKE stallion that give “pony rides” to a 4yo!
http://www.forfarmers.com/pets/p/Splashed-Overo-Stallion.htm
Nyxin said…”I think what needs to be stressed, is that you are not turning them into loyal animals, reasoning animals; you are creating an alpha/submissive relationship. The results you are seeing are because of all the training of ignoring instinct and following the alpha (you) leadership. Some horses are more accepting to this than others, and some will retain that role better than others even when presented with a dramatic situation.”
Agree
Alphamare said…”As this is apparently a book — and a rather pricy one, to be honest — I’m curious: Is it basically an expansion of his seven principles?
All of which are very good, but hardly anything new.
They’re the way I was taught, a Very Long Time Ago … 
Or is there something in the book that you’re referring to specifically? Thanks!”
The blub from the book: An International Best Seller and a distillation of Andrew’s PhD thesis. For the first time ever, a book that reveals the huge potential offered by the behavioural sciences in maximising effectiveness in training for horses and people. Adoption of these principles dramatically increases the number of horses that are able to learn what we intend to teach them, and become successful performance horses in any discipline.
It begins by examining our complex historical interactions with the horse, our misplaced expectations of its mentality and their dire consequences. The Truth About Horses explains how we can improve the performance horse’s welfare by constructing a much clearer training model.
The book is written in a narrative style, and details training in-hand and under-saddle as well as re-training. The chapter on ‘conflict behaviour’ represents the first time that the scientifically valid explanation of problem behaviours in horses has been written for the understanding of the general public.
Price: AUD$70.00 (remember that’s Aussie dollars – about $56 US?)
I think the difference with this book is that it is *scientifically* based on how horses think and how they learn (how nerve pathways are formed, how they are strengthened, how we can use this info best to train).
A little of his bio: Andrew and collegues have recently formed a new Assoc: the International Society of Applied Ethology, an elite academic group of cognitive ethologists. His articles have been published in academic journals and textbooks and he regularly delivers lectures and demonstrations on the psychology of horses and equitation science. He hosted the 1St Equitation Science Symposium which was held at the AEBC in 2005. Annual symposia throughout the world have followed. Andrew was recently elected Junior Vice President of the International Society for Equitation Science.
He Delivered a presentation and demonstration at the Global Dressage Forum in October 2006 for which he was voted second best presentor to Hubertus Schmidt and subsequently asked to return in 2008.
Me back in: This book IS new and different. It uses science to prove certain theories and disprove some myths.
Crunchberry’s mom, your mare sounds a lot like mine. She has very, very desireable lines around here. I learned to ride on her and we never could have afforded her had my trainer not made us a great deal. She was “the” all-around horse in the area. Everyone wanted to buy her and there was definitely some jealousy when she was taken off the market by an unknown kid for 1/2 the price she could have fetched.
This will be the second foal that I have from her which is on the way. She’s a lovely mare, but the foal will probably stay around for a really long time. The two year old of hers that my trainer owns is slated to be her replacement basically. He’s a great little (or big as the case may be) guy and will make a great youth horse.
He’s completely tolerant and not scared of anything so far. Hopefully, in a couple years, he will be out and competing.
Your mare looks a lot like mine, too – nice big hindquarters (as there should be on a mare). My friends always recognized my mare at shows not just by color but by her big ‘ol butt.
Blogger colorisnteverything said…
Your mare looks a lot like mine, too – nice big hindquarters (as there should be on a mare). My friends always recognized my mare at shows not just by color but by her big ‘ol butt.
December 31, 2007 12:53 PM
*giggles* my husband says she’s ‘got back’
Sally – I’m very sorry about your mom. That must be so tough for you. My prayers are with you.
I hope everyone here has a wonderful new year! (and Happy New Year to you all who are already in 2008!!)
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Sally, you asked about my mare – she’s still pretty much the same. Not really better, not really worse – just kind of hanging in there.
Crunchberry, I was bored and thought of a couple nice QH studs that I could recommend. The first is just a darn nice looking horse. He’s a pally, too. I love a pally – can’t lie:
http://www.banksassets.com/index.htm
The second stud I know for a fact has had some nice babies. A couple people I know have bred to them. I know of his owner, too. They are very nice people:
http://equine.com/Stallions/ad_details.aspx?lid=373495&search_id=4eaf41b0-ddfb-403e-bef6-af8c561bb959&p=5
oh! i must admit… this baby made my heart skip!
http://www.banksassets.com/photo.cgi?19.jpg
Crunchberry’s mom said…
“oh! i must admit… this baby made my heart skip!
http://www.banksassets.com/photo.cgi?19.jpg“
Very very cute head – but the GROSSEST neck I have ever seen on a foal!!! Looks like they’ve superglued a foals head to a stallion. WTF?
surely it’s just the way he’s turned his head… his face is beautiful!
my mare has a long slender neck. we call her the giraffe LOL!
ahh i see it is rather thick at the top too…
like i said, i’ve never done this before, and i appreciate all y’alls experienced advice.
colorisnteverything,
http://www.woodstockpainthorses.com/homemenu2.htm
Here is a Palomino Paint stallion for ya. He is halter bred but HYPP N/N has multiple championships too.
If your willing to spend some money on your stud fee, I really like My Rugged Destiny.
Moves nicely, his body type is beautiful, but he’s not exactly a perfect “fit” for your mare. I’d worry about getting her butt and then his tiny longer back. But I LOVE him, and he’s buckskin.
I really do like Lena Shine. He’s doing real events like Reining and Western Riding. He’s got good deep hocks and a really pleasant work ethic it looks like. Their website is irritating, and all he does in the video are some iffy Reining spins. But, he’s a very cute mover and looks to be useful horse.
Then’s there this paint cutie, Ima Dirty Teddy.
He looks like a good all-around horse with points in Halter, WP, and Reining. Their foals all look like they’ve got great heads on them, and most of them are very competitive in many areas.
My favorite so far is Perks Alive.
He’s competing successfully in barrel racing and has conformation I really admire in a Quarter Horse. He does Junior riders, so he’s got a solid mind and knows him job. This is my favorite by far.
And there’s, Lenas Genesis. He competes in Cutting, Team Roping, Team Sorting, and Reining. He looks solid and like a good riding horse that you could hop on and just go.
There.
http://www.horse-previews.com/1298articles/1298front.html
I love this stallion soooo much…like I said, I don’t know anything about proper horse conformation, but he is a very striking horse (color wise)! *blush* I just recently had a Breyer model painted to look like him–except I had his eyes painted blue! I haven’t seen it yet, but the painter said he is beautiful!!! I had him painted on a Zippo Pine Bar mold too!
Maybe that’s what horse hoarders should do! Get into the model horses and that way they won’t have to feed them, water them, or clean up after them! If they don’t like how one looks, repaint it!! They can even get baby model horses instead of breeding fugly live ones!!!
LOL, BTW, I don’t breed horses because I don’t know about the conformation…plus, it costs a lot of money, time, and space that I truly don’t have! I just have an old gelding that I’m about to start on Clinton Anderson’s training methods! He’s a Fugly, but I love him to death!
http://www.banksassets.com/photo.cgi?19.jpg“
Very very cute head – but the GROSSEST neck I have ever seen on a foal!!! Looks like they’ve superglued a foals head to a stallion. WTF?
I’m a Morgan person and I was like wow that’s a big neck lmao
Lena Shine looks interesting…
Crunchberry-
There is really no decent conformation shot of him, which is most of the reason I was iffy about him. But his babies look very cute and put together. Check out the 2006 foal crop second picture. I think that even if his conformation isn’t perfect, he’s showing himself to be useful.
k said…
“That made me laugh. Considering that I am throwing a New Year’s Eve party and nobody’s coming, I needed the laugh! (That’s what I get for hoping people will be at loose ends like me.)”
Oh, no! I’m so sorry, K. You and me can party – here’s some homemade spinach lasagna and really good apple cider. So pull up a chair for the movie (“Sense and Sensibility” – the Emma Thompson version) and the caffienated French Roast will be ready in a few minutes. Anybody else wants to come, you’re welcome. We’ll laugh and talk horses and toast the New Year in with good coffee.
Horse trader from hell said…
“Here’s a winner!! http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1021399“
Oh, I’m laughing so hard I can hardly breathe!
“He is a quick leaner. He… will pick up all four feet from one side. We had planed on standing him…”.
Quick – get this horse a crane! ROTFL
Thanks, HTFH. I like the way you think, and you’ve pointed out a great bellylaugh tonight.
Happy New Year, everyone. May it be a better one for people and horses.
I like the woodstock stallion for halter, but for a rider, those legs and all that muscle may not be right. I would be afraid he would be a really choppy ride. That foal of the pally I posted has a THICK neck, but I think the angle doesn’t help.
I looked at some of the other stallions. I didn’t like Lena Shine for a couple reasons. One, I see that neck and think “ick”. He seems to have a bull neck. Also, his acheivements are in NFQHA which amounts to open show acheivements for me. He is well bred, no doubt, but I am not sure I like him. I like My Rugged Destiny a lot. He looks very useful and his confo is pretty versatile. Perks alive is a really useful horse. Ima Dirty Teddy is not much of a big thing for me (and I am a paint person, so I know even more about them than QH’s). He’s okay, but built like a halter horse. I know he has an ROM in reining, but I believe he got that a while ago when reining was certainly less competitive. If he had a superior or more, there might be more going for him.
Dixons Oreosupreme… hmm… he looks really base narrow and I don’t know if he has any performance background. I would stick to something with a performance background – reining, cutting, pleasure, barrels – something like that. English wouldn’t be bad either depending on the type of the horse doing it.
I believe the show record that Banks Asset has is mostly PHBA. They do not say how many AQHA points he has.
Happy New Year from Texas!!
Farmgirl
The lasagna and coffee offer sounded lovely – I was hoping you’d ask me over! Happy New Year to one and all and a few folks did find my doorstep after all…
Not a big fan of Sunny McZip from his photos alone. As Clive James once said of Arnold Schwarzenneger, “He looks like a condom stuffed with walnuts.” I am sure McZip is a fine horse but… kinda Hulkish? (TB person speaking.)
I also believe his (Banks) acheivements are mainly PHBA as well, but I still think he is a nice horse and the PHBA is more competitive than say the IBHA or NFQHA.
K, he does look Hulk like. He’s a nice halter stallion and his babies have done very, very well in the past, but I wouldn’t say he is a performance type horse.
colorisnteverything – nice to know the halter sire’s get have done well, but he looks as if he can hardly MOVE… (No wonder I never did that well in halter unless it was Showmanship.)
Does halter success usually preclude good performance? As the old saying goes, conformation is no guarantee of performance.
What do you think?
K said…
Not a big fan of Sunny McZip from his photos alone. As Clive James once said of Arnold Schwarzenneger, “He looks like a condom stuffed with walnuts.” I am sure McZip is a fine horse but… kinda Hulkish? (TB person speaking.)
December 31, 2007 10:35 PM
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Thanks for the laugh!
I only noticed him because he is from my state. I always check out Dream Horse to see what Idaho has to offer.
Happy New Year everyone! Hope it’s a great one for all of you and your animals.
I missed the video but from the comments it sounds like I’d be on asshat overload if I did see it.
i’ve been thinking… (this is why Crunch is still a maiden at 14 i guess) but maybe i’ll just keep on looking for Mr. Right…. he is sure to cross my path at some time.
and in the meantime, we’ll upgrade a youngster in need. one that is in a bad situation or in danger of winding up in one…a yearling or 2 year old would be nice… we can already start doing stuff (light lunging, ground driving) with it, as opposed to the long wait for a baby…
no reason why a Fugly wouldn’t be a great horse for my son to help me train, he already said he doesn’t want to show. he just wants a trail buddy… and hopefully, by the time it’s fully trained, we will have found Mr. Right!
crunchberry’s mom –
I have been reading your input for sometime and really agree with your way of thinking… and this morning I was going through the stallions suggested and wondering what would go well with your mare. But I have to say I really approve of your idea to “upgrade a youngster in need” rather than breed your mare right away. You and your son sound like the ideal duo to shape an already existing worthy young’un into something useful and happy. (I love useful horses.)
BTW as I seem to be putting forward my two cents’ worth lately rather than lurking, I thought I’d go from the moniker “k” to “thoroughbredsplease” to preface my own prejudices!
Best of luck with Mr Right! He’s out there SOMEWHERE!
I wrote this a few years ago for my Morgan friends. Insert your breed-of-choice. My sentiments to all are the same:
Listen, my friends, and you shall hear
My wishes for you for the coming year.
May your foals all be fillies ‘cept those who want boys
And may each of your Morgans bring you many joys.
May your barn cats catch mice and your terriers rats
And your guests wipe their boots on your welcome mats.
May your girth never loosen when you’re jumping a ditch
And when you need to scratch go right after that itch.
May sun shine on your cut hay so it never gets wets
And your vet bills not equal the national debt.
If it’s ribbons you’re after may they all be blue
And your trail rides enjoyed with friends old and new.
May your cattle stay this side of your repaired gate
And your farrier seldom or never be late.
May your truck and your tractor start on a cold morn
And your troubles be less than a martyr has borne.
May you do some good works, have some wishes granted,
Your children follow the path from the seeds you have planted.
May you count all your blessings and bear all your sorrows
And enjoy Morgan friendships for many tomorrows.
I’d just like to wish everyone a very Happy New Year. Hope this coming one is the best year ever for you and your animals.
I still haven’t figured out how to get the K back on my name.
Okay I tried editing my profile so lets see if I’m all back yet.
To those who mentioned the registered Morgan gelding at AC4H, please know that breed fanciers are working on getting him into a good home. I’ll let you know the results. Hold positive thoughts.
Welcome back, kay!
And welcome thoroughbredsplease–sorry I missed your party–sounded fun!
Happy New Year to all and their fuglies! I just saw our new neighbor drive by–think I will pop over and introduce myself.
Wishing you all a very happy and lucky new year
Happy new year all. Crunchberry, I think that is a good idea?
And to the question about halter precluding performance… in the stock industry it seems you are one or the other. Sad right?
Apparently mom must have removed the video due to the fact she made an idiot out of herself????
Happy New Years All!!!!!!
Crunchberry, I think that is an excellent idea. There are so many young ones out there that need a good home it would be fantastic if you provide one. And as you said, this way if you buy a two or three year old you won’t have the long wait before you can start working with him or her.
Where is Fugly?I have checked for days I am getting withdrawal symptoms need new stuff.We had a real bad start to 2008 one of my mom’s mares coliced and couldn’t be saved she was put down this morning.We are waiting to hear from the vet to see if he could find out why.He is going to open her up and look in her stomach she had a strange odor (breath)like onions or something funky.I can only hope it gets better was a really bad start.
Farmer’s wife, I was just flipping back up through the blog and found your poem. It is a nice job and very hopeful for the new year.
I don’t right now remember the case of the Morgan gelding but I really do hope you find him a nice home.
docsscrip, sorr to hear about your mother’s horse. Please accept my condolences. I certainly do wish you an improving year.
docsscrip – I am so sorry about your mom’s mare. Not a terrific 2008 start, horrid. Keep us posted re: what the vet says. At least then you’ll know and sharing informs others.
robyn – the party sure could have used you, ty! If you’re ever in the UK…
Hope all is well with Fugly: I too am obsessively checking in. How embarrassing to show my addiction symptoms to all and sundry.
I’m back, sorry, just busy with real life and of course I can’t read my mail at work which is really interfering with posting!
Hi and Happy New Year!! My first time posting on here. I’ve been reading the blog for about 2 months now and have enjoyed the many different issues it has covered. I have to admit I’m alot more mellow than most of you.
No excuse for abusing animals! Here’s the catcher…I don’t think people, especially young people should be abused either. I realise the internet helps us to not be held accountable for our remarks. I’m refering to comments left on young peoples you tube videos. I totally believe in constructive criticism, but rude “snarky” doesn’t seem to accomplish the desired effect.
The girl’s video of her jumping her horse over 5′ received criticism that was not effective at all, just snarky. I actually did get a kick out of her new video for “the critics”. I think I’d really like that girl if I met her. I was also happy to see she had friends that stood up for her in comments. Though the friends did stoop to the snarky attitude.
I’m sorry to say there are so many worthless kids out there that won’t work at accomplishing anything, no passion or desire for anything, so can we keep that in mind when we see a child that is trying.
My sympathy to all of you who suffered through the loss of a loved one last year. May the new year be better.
Welcome Sage.
You said…”No excuse for abusing animals! Here’s the catcher…I don’t think people, especially young people should be abused either. I realise the internet helps us to not be held accountable for our remarks. I’m refering to comments left on young peoples you tube videos. I totally believe in constructive criticism, but rude “snarky” doesn’t seem to accomplish the desired effect.”
and I totally agree.
I think people need to be given a chance to see the error of their ways and then maybe change without losing face. As with training young horses you need to ask gently/quietly initially then increase the pressure gradually till you get the desired response. Yelling/snarking/abusing people only makes them defensive.
Welcome sage! I am new too. And Happy New Year to taldara…
On the topic of “slamming” or “snarking” sure, if it is not constructive then it can be destructive.
As per the girl jumping 5′- and I didn’t read all the messages to her – all I could think was, “Learn your form over lower fences before you go higher.”
I suppose I am being old fashioned and hard core to suggest some lunge work, stirrup-free flat work, lots of drilling over cavaletti and, gee, maybe even VAULTING to improve your balance with your horse. After all, the point of good form isn’t just being pretty, it is also safety and fairness (to the horse, as well as the rider) which amounts to efficacy.
Slamming can be a case of, “don’t fight with a pig because the pig likes it and you get dirty” BUT the rider’s video to her critics defended herself, to my mind, by implying, “I’m going to keep riding like THIS whether you like it or not!” She seemed to have a closed mind to the fact that everyone can improve their riding and training. And sometimes that improvement means going a STEP BACK, as you suggest, taldara, in your discussion of defensiveness.
As she also seemed to be doing a lot of jumping, I can see it would be frustrating for some to see a rider who is not really improving in her basic skills but continuing to ask her horse to do more than, perhaps, dare I suggest, the rider was “ready” for? Now that’s a recipe for causing snarky comments.
I make my living being snarky, as a writer, so I know how it makes people react. But sometimes it has a good effect (they are so irked that they DO something about improving themselves) or they just get a thicker hide and thumb their noses at their critics.
Am I being terribly dull and draconian? Probably.
Damn, I always get to the videos too late. I’m dyin’ to see this one. Where can I find it?
Dear Docsscrip, please accept my sympathy on the loss of your mom’s mare. 2008 can only be better after starting out with that ordeal.
Dear Kay, thanks for the positive comments. May I put you on my mailing list when (IF??!!) I ever git published?
TBsplease… Happy New Year to you too – and to all (again) (I’m way ahead of ya – in Oz it’s already the 2nd and I hoped everyone a HNY on aprevious thread!!)
(BTW – like the new name. I’m a TB/WB type rather than QH type person too)
Dec. 25 “Juming lessons, they are your friend” it’s towards the bottom. Sorry I’m not very puter savy. Eventually I’ll learn.
I need to figure out the spellcheck thingy also…hee hee
thoroughbredsplease: pish…draconian…you must be a writer, I had to get out my dictionary. See I already learned something new today.
Oh yes, I could see that she could use some help. I’m not a jumper. Good grief, when I’m on a horse I’m already far enough off the ground! I think being short has given me a fear of heights. 5′ 1″ I’m all for the basics, groundwork etc. Practice makes perfect. No No that’s perfect practice makes perfect.
thoroughbredsplease…Yes I like a good ole snark (or bitch session as we say) as much as the next person and believe it can sometimes have good results. But I reckon that the majority of the time people just get their backs up and dig their heels in and close their minds when confronted in a “We know better than you!” way.
FHOTDs approach of ‘venting’ (and allowing all of us to vent) here is a good way to express our digust/scorn etc while not (necessarily) confronting the offender directly. If we can vent, calm down and then go to them and suggest changes calmly and rationally I think we may get better results? Don’t know. Just my thoughts.
sage – it was bad from on my part to use a Latin-based word like “draconian”! A good way to alienate people. I should have said, er, “Am I being an asshat?” That would have been funnier, if not exactly precise…
And you made me nod in agreement with your, “perfect practice makes perfect.” That reminded me of those weeks when I hit a plateau in my flatwork to the point where my legs were swinging so hard they bled into the inside knees of my breeches. I had to sit in a bath to get them off. (Sorry if that was too graphic; TMI.) The point is that I love riding but am probably really bad at it, especially now that I no longer compete.
taldara – I agree completely with the idea of moderation. And FHOTD is incredibly educational and informative because I get to see what people REALLY think, and that includes losing their rag, cooling off and thinking things over.
Every time I snark, it feels good for a second. Then I feel small-minded and dirty. I strive to rise above my emotions and snark only IN MY MIND. I try to be dignified. (Wild laughter in background.) I hope I can stick to that ideal.
“Every time I snark, it feels good for a second. Then I feel small-minded and dirty. I strive to rise above my emotions and snark only IN MY MIND. I try to be dignified. (Wild laughter in background.) I hope I can stick to that ideal.”
Me too – but easier said than done!! LOL.
I was just telling someone the other day that my sister-in-law, Annie, is the ‘goodest’ person I know because she doesn’t even bitch about others in her mind! She is just ‘nice’ and genuinely sees the good in everyone. Wouldn’t it be amazing to be that way without trying!
Farmer’s Wife said,Dear Kay, thanks for the positive comments. May I put you on my mailing list when (IF??!!) I ever git published?
Sure anytime, email me at kff_61250 @mchsi.com and I will give you my address. I always enjoy reading other people’s work. It always seems so much better than mine. LOL
taldara – does your sister-in-law Annie ride at all? Just kidding!
I have been working on the “putting yourself in other people’s moccasins” thing and that works. I pictured myself as taking a 5′ fence and looking like a sack of potatoes… I guess the difference is I wouldn’t put it on YouTube. (Even my profile picture here is angled so you can’t see my bad leg position.)
“Bitch sessions” can be constructive if we can find the gems within… there’s nothing like hearing someone say something succinct to have it stick in your mind. My salient moment was when my German dressage instructor yelled that, “Your legs are hanging like sausages. SAUSAGES!”
At least he didn’t flick me with his whip, as he was rumoured to do.
Am off to bed. 2008. Whew.
“Sees the good in everyone” Oh I use to be that way, taught my daughter to be that way. hmmm Mistake! Too many people out there anymore that the “good” is too well hidden.
The vet said her intestine (6 ft from her stomach) was twisted in a knot that we did the right thing putting her down she would have never made it not even surgery would have saved her.He also said the poo in her was real hard like she did not drink water in a while.He also checked her poo for worm yesterday before she was put down there where blood worms but no other worms.We rotate our wormers but she still had them.He said not to buy the generic wormers anyone else hear that?Well It has to get better that was a very bad start can’t get much worse,well I guess it could.Hope everyone else is have a good year so far.
docsscrip – I have never heard anything like that. What could be the difference between generic and brand wormers? I always thought it was just marketing.
I am so sorry for your loss.
Darn! The video is removed by user!!
i’m not sure if this link will come through. it is a petition to help the horses and animals starving at animal angels rescue in colorado.
http://www.petitiononline.com/AArescue/petition.html
please sign and pass on. let’s hope it does some good.
Completely OT, but check out this Salem craigslist post:
BLACK CLYDESDALE STUD FOR SALE OR LEASE TO APPORVED HOME ONLY
Reply to: see below
Date: 2008-01-01, 7:35PM PST
I HAVE A BLACK CLYDESDALE STUD FOR SALE OR LEASE, HE IS 17.3 HANDS, 4 WHITE SOCKS AND A BLAZE, HE IS EASY TO HANDLE EVEN WHEN BREEDING HIM, USE HIM AS A STUD OR WHAT EVER, HE IS NOT BROKE HE IS 8 YRS….
I’m going to bypass all the INCREDIBLY obvious problems here and jump to a solution. What are the legal ramifications of leasing him and ‘accidentally’ gelding him?
*insert maniacal laughing*
There were a lot of choices, but the worst(IMHO) was the mare in the sling, who had the filly with so many problems she will never be a useful animal. The mare suffered through all that pain for nothing.