I love you BYB’s, you are just awesome!
Dec 23 2007
As I read through my 431 piled-up e-mails, I came across this gem:
Subject:
Problem wanting to be solved
http://fuglyhorseoftheday.blogspot.com/
That is the link to my worrys. This person is giving unsportsly man contact with what she/he has writen. That info on there is mine. The pictures on there are mine. I would like you to help me find a propor solution to this. I want this deleted or erased. I want this user blocked from blogspot. Please get back to me,
Niki
nikic27@windstream.net
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Niki:
1. You didn’t e-mail Blogger/Google. You e-mailed me. I don’t have a problem with anything I’ve done, therefore your demands are highly unlikely to be met with any action.
2. The problem is wanting to be solved? Sweetie pie, a problem can’t want to be solved. A problem does not have the capability to even know it is a problem, much less want to be solved!
3. worrys = worries
unsportsly man = unsportsmanlike? Say what?
writen = written
propor = proper
4. I am getting back to you, Niki, per your request. I have no idea which fugly or collection thereof you’re responsible for, because all you provided was the link to my main page. However, I appreciate the fact that you’ve provided my readers with yet another example of someone who is too dumb to be involved in horse breeding and should probably be provided with a more appropriate hobby. I believe a previous poster mentioned a Sea Monkeys breeding kit that we could provide to people like you so that you could exercise your desire for creation without adding to the slaughterhouse supply chain. If you’d like to show up and post your address, I’ll get one of those out to you ASAP!
Merry Christmas!
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4Horses&Holding said… said “The “Top Secret” stallion looks like he’s got a full droopy diaper on.”
Oh yeah!! That’s exactly what those QHs with big bulgy hangy butts look like!!!
AQHA Halter World Champion of the future
Dear Shovels,
Do you have anything in a park harness Nauga? Preferably bay or brown, must have a show record and be nationals quality. I am also interested in a carriage driving Nauga or even a pair. Please advise.
Merry Christmas to all!!!!!
If you go to this link:
http://tinyurl.com/38hoer
(Australian Quarter Horse site), you will find Orren Mixer’s painting of the ideal Quarter Horse.
A subcommittee to refine the standards for judging halter classes met a couple of years ago. The members included at PhD, a DVM, halter specialists and breeders of performance horses. As they sat around the long table in the President’s Room at AQHA headquarters, they struggled to describe criteria upon which they could agree. Then Jerry Wells spoke. Wells has shown 60 AQHA World Champions at halter and one in calf roping, has bred barrel futurity champions and won more than a million dollars with a racehorse everyone else overlooked. “I’m looking for a horse like the one in that painting,” Wells said as he pointed to the Mixer horse on the wall. The committee totally agreed. From the issue of Jan/Feb 2000 America’s Horse.
Now, if only someone would breed a horse like this, and the judges reward it.
I’ll take several just like it with a Tobiano coat pattern.
Wow. Stupid people not only should not breed animals, but should not breed, period.
Do we WANT to risk the lives of innocent sea monkeys? I’d say the closest this individual ought to come to a living creature is a sea cucumber, which, like this human, doesn’t actually have a brain.
Forthefutureofthebreed said: “Now, if only someone would breed a horse like this, and the judges reward it.
I’ll take several just like it with a Tobiano coat pattern.
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Hey I’ll take two, one in palomino and the other in buckskin. Actually that is my ideal horse also. I think my chocolate horse looks fairly similar to Oren’s horse.
HeatherAQHA, here are side conformation photos of my two mares. The one on the left was taken as a yearling, the one on the right as a two year old. If you want to draw lines on them, go ahead. I’ll listen to any opinions. One can never have two many pairs of eyes looking at a horse.
2 Paint Mares
Dontyouridenofuglyhorse said, “Hey I’ll take two, one in palomino and the other in buckskin. Actually that is my ideal horse also. I think my chocolate horse looks fairly similar to Oren’s horse.”
He’s a nice horse, that’s for sure. Orren Mixer did do a couple of Palominos…a mare and colt, and one of Shining Spark’s dam, I believe, although I’m sure there are more. Mixer also did a painting for APHA, of an Overo and a Tobiano. I love the Tobiano one.
anyone else find it funny that there are two Niki’s on this blog, and one… sending emails…?
I mean it’s usually spelled Nikki at the least and isn’t too-too common.
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NC, USA
^my siggy for as long as I remember to use it!
Oh boy, now I’m the “line girl!” just kidding
My quick observations, for what they are worth (I got inspired and am working on a little side project now… muahahaha):
Yearling: excellent hip, great shoulder. Good length of body, cute head, neck a touch too short/thick for me but just barely. Both left limbs look good, RF looks over at knee but she might be lifting the foot up, RH looks turned out?
2 y/o: excellent hip as well, nice compact frame, legs look good but all 4 pasterns seem a little too upright (but acceptable). Cute face, adequate shoulder but not as nice as the yearling, biggest fault would be thick neck- thick throatlatch, little definition, borderline nesty. Also slightly downhill but not a prob for a 2 year old.
Overall, they look really good, but I definitely prefer the yearling. I wouldn’t choose to breed the older mare to your stallion- no offense- but they are both pretty thick in the neck individually and I don’t think it would be the best cross. The yearling, I would (assuming she isn’t his daughter or something!) but I’d want to find a trimmer, more elegant appearing stallion to cross on the older mare.
Thanks for asking my opinion… wow! Hopefully I’m hitting on some of the same things you see?
**edit**
NC = my initials, NOT North Carolina. I live in MA
Heather, you’re pretty much in in line with my assessment of them. Neither are by my stallion. My stallion is a 5yo. Thanks for your opinion.
The mare on the right IS in foal to my stallion. We’ll see what they produce.
They’re all too fat, so that’s not helping the assessments any. LOL. The mare on the left lost a colt by my stallion last year and she’s not bred back. That mare is a 5yo now also. She’s a bit too long in the back/body for my liking, although she carries a foal really well, and I can forgive that a bit in a mare. Both of them don’t have ideal necks, and neither does my stallion, yet I could show you pictures where they all appear to have ideal necks, so they’re not too horrible. I feel these horses are all decent Tobianos to start with, especially since I bought all three as weanlings. I have sold three fillies so far that were also purchased as weanlings. It’s been a long wait. When I can find a race-bred QH or TB stallion I like, we’ll be breeding out. I’d also like to buy a really nice TB mare in the future.
Unsportsly man-contact. ~chortlesnort~ Sounds like something we’ll be seeing on Dateline NBC next week!
Heather, here are two different photos of the same two mares. It’s difficult to hold the line and take a photo at the same time, so forgive that please, LOL. But you can see they’re not total fuglies.
Same Mares
See what you guys think about this horse-
Cute halter prospect! Nice round barrel, baby doll head on a thin pencil neck, lots of carry down in the hip with a big bushy tail. Will place well: she has stick-straight legs and posty hocks with nice little teacup feet. Ready to breed!
Pretty accurate description!
*thank you, thank you very much*
heatheraqha –
~snickers~
Very nice mare haha
Future-
Those pics are pretty darn good! You’re right- the neck on the second mare looks a LOT better there than in the halter picture. I still like the one on the left better… but neither are fuglies (which I certainly wasn’t implying, but I’m sure you know that).
Future-
Those pics are pretty darn good! You’re right- the neck on the second mare looks a LOT better there than in the halter picture. I still like the one on the left better… but neither are fuglies (which I certainly wasn’t implying, but I’m sure you know that).
Thanks. I know you weren’t implying that. LOL. You know, pictures can be very deceiving, although you can usually tell whether a horse is a fug or is of quality, no matter what the angle is.
heatheraqha-
Nice. Well that was pretty much what it said right?
forthefutureofthebreed-
I know you weren’t asking me but I would have to say that I like the mare on the left better. But the mare on the right did look nice in the second set of pictures! Those are good pictures of them by the way.
This is completely off topic but:
http://dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1003923
Just because he was featured on a calendar makes him worth $75,000?
es013
Taldara said…
Morgan_Horse_Queen said…
…”I think it’s a deformity – why in the world would someone breed for this??”
I agree!!! Until reading this Blog I never even knew that over there in America (as opposed to over here in Australia) you guys have a whole ‘show scene’ that is JUST halter and the horses don’t DO anything and that it was so BIG. Thank god we don’t (hope we don’t follow right along as we often seem to in other things). It seems very bizarre to me that people would breed for hind limb conformation like this. I spose if they were breeding for a trait that was not very functional but was attractive I would think they were stupid but I could see that it looked good. But those legs (and feet and muscling) are ugly ugly ugly. Sorry – don’t get it.
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Hehe. I’ve fiddled around in novice western at the local western club and it is NOTHING like what I’ve seen on the internet in America =P
The horses are not overmuscled and most compete in all classes they are eligible for – halter, hunter, pleasure, trail, games etc. Peanut rolling and the super-slow gate is not big either.
They’re not just horses which compete locally either, plenty of the members have competed to state or national level.
The first time I ever saw an overmuscled quarter horse was in January this year at the rodeo (held at the same grounds as the western riding club). He was being ridden in the team roping and I’d never seen such a horse. He looked like he had a rump on his rump.
A few months later I first heard HYPP described on either this blog or a forum. I’d bet that the horse was Impressive bred. As soon as I saw a photo of a HYPP stallion it reminded me of this palomino.
It’s still the one and only horse in Australia I’ve seen that looks like this =P And I remember the first time I saw a going-in-reverse peanut roller (not at my western club thankfully). The horse was NOT HAPPY with its rider who was trying to force it into position with spurs and bit. Every now and then the horse objected strongly =/ Don’t blame ‘em!
A few days ago Fugly posted a link to an article about a man who was arrested for dragging a horse to it’s death. I posted that link on a page of mine and one of my friends tracked down this info.
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“I have tracked down the phone number for the DAs office that is handling the case. It is, 1-662-837-1195. I talked to a deputy from the sheriffs office. He told me he would get off easier if he had shot a human. The outcry there is BIG. It sounds like he will get what is coming to him. I will keep you all posted to the outcome.”
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So maybe there will be justice for this horse after all!
Blog is really irritating me today – all those links you lot have been posting and then it takes me back to the top each time grrrrr.
Anyway a Merry Xmas to you all – it’s nearly over here, had a day of doing not much – bliss.
FTFOTB there is something decidedly odd about all your horses – they look umm, well, Normal! Kinda like what a horse should look like. No weird “filled nappy” bottoms, no duck front legs, no legs with no angles at all, you are clearly doing something very very wrong. But whats wrong with 16.1 ? Perfect height
(yeah yeah I’m not a QH person and now for my personal riding horses I am starting to like the short ones too)
It is true though that photos can be very misleading which is why none of us should use a conformation shot of our horses to try and sell them etc unless they are properly stood up and the photo is taken by a professional – or you luck it. Just be hyper critical of what you put up. Better a pretty head shot and nothing else than a bad body shot. I mean I thought that stallion in the previous blog had a sweet head but it was ruined by showing the rest of him.
Thanks to FHOTD. I have learned so much about conformation (partly because I have never seen so many train wrecks) since discovering this blog. I also hope that we ever see our industry going the way it has over there. Sure we have our share of BYB’s, what we don;t have is those massive operations turning out 100′s that just go straight to slaughter like they are cattle. That is truly sad.
Heres to a more enlightened New Year.
The 75,000 Gypsy Cob?
I don’t know how they keep then looking so good out at pasture – if they lived here they would either be covered in mud (now) or dust certainly not those lovely fluffy white feathers.
They are super cute and I’d love one for trail riding, but 75,000!! I’d live there farm though if it is the one featured in the banner on the home page (Hmm my stallion has been in a calendar…..twice – ok the second one was a personal one I did for people and the first was our breed society one but its still a calender)
But look at the photo second down on the right. Too cute.
http://www.elbriovanner.com/morephotos.htm
I have been reading your blog for along time know ,and i must say you make my day EVERYDAY
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OK, so I thought this was a little OT for this one… but just had to post it! I couldn’t help but hope tht the horse decided to buck her off and stomp on her!
http://dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1146238
Merry Christmas Everyone.
Just about Howrse- I joined and have a Hanoverian colt, all I do is feed him and ride him and groom him, I have a job as a groom too, I can’t really see how you progress much with it, do you need to spend real money to get much out of it?
“Blog is really irritating me today – all those links you lot have been posting and then it takes me back to the top each time grrrrr.”
Instead of reading the blog comments by clicking the “comments” below it, click on the title of the blog subject. All the comments will be on a full screen following the subject (then those addresses split into 2/3 lines will be annoying – LOL). When using a link in a post, you can use your back button and it brings you back to the exact place you left. Drawback – no spot to post comments on that screen.
On the narrower “comments” page, if the address is too long and runs off the screen frame – no problem. Just position your mouse in front of it and right button drag DOWN one line to highlight it and left mouse click copy. The entire address is there, you just can’t see it.
Merry Christmas all!
I hate to ruin the fun, but I seriously doubt that “Niki” has anything to do with horses. That message doesn’t mention anything about horses or breeding. It looks to me like it was just a spambot causing mischief.
–Mel
OT Funny Craig list posting:
ANYONE MISSING 8 TINY RAINDEER????
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Reply to: see below
Date: 2007-12-25, 8:41AM MST
I found 8 tiny raindeer sound asleep this morning in my loafing shed when I went out to feed my horse! All are friendly and get along with my horse. I set out several bales of hay and they have access to fresh water. All appear to be in excellent condition. They just look very tired!!!! They will be well cared for until the owner shows up to claim them.
Location: COLORADO ROCKY MOUNTAINS
Iknow I’m off the subject here, and since I’m new to this spot, I thought I’d behave myself for awhile. Or at least until something pissed me off. If somebody’s standing a stud why the h*** can’t they be bothered to put the friggin’ pedigree in the add? Same goes for anything they’re trying to pass off as potential breeding stock. Do they not understand there is more to that pedigree than black type? Dammit, even if I’m buying a gelding I want to know if that horse is HYPP or the possibility of HERDA, or in the case of Apps, night blindness and degenerative blindness. Jeesh I wish some of these people would get a clue!
You guys, I LOVED the fugly carols! Those were awesome!
>>This person is giving unsportsly man contact…
Maybe its the psychologist in me, but I immediately thought this phrase implied that Fugly is giving some sort of sexually dysfunctional contact in a distinctly male manner without due reference to said sport.< <
I didn’t do it, and if I did, I’m blaming it on all the vodka I drank last night…
TWHequ said…
OK, so I thought this was a little OT for this one… but just had to post it! I couldn’t help but hope tht the horse decided to buck her off and stomp on her!
http://dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1146238
While I think it is goofy as hell and not very “classy” to put pics like that in a sales ad (especially since the horse is dirty and hairy) BUT I can truly appreciate a horse that is that calm. I actually work with my horses and tarps, not so I can so off like an ass in a sales pic, but so they calmly accept blowing tarps. For years, the only way I could get to the trails near my home, was to ride through a small 3′ opening in a fence. The neighbors used to park their giant tarp-covered RVs an either side of the opening in the fence, which meant I had to ride down a 30′ long, 3′ wide RV tunnel. The neighbors, of course, didn’t strap the tarps down tight, so usually one tarp on one RV would be blowing across the 3′ opening and touching the other RV. At the time I had a goofy OTTB mare who’s initial reaction was to almost fall over backwards in fright, so I started working with her and tarps. Soon she could go down that tunnel with the tarp blowing all over her without batting an eye. Since then, I’ve done it with all my horses, even those boarded elsewhere, since there is nothing more annoying then riding by a tarp covered shavings pile and have your horse blow a gasket when the tarp moves. Hehe…of course I wouldn’t wear a tarp like a cape and canter around like a ‘tard, but hey.
FTFOTB’s stallion has a rear end that is pretty darned close to a PRE or lusitano rear end and those horses generally do canter pirouette’s into their 20′s. But they aren’t started until they are 5 or so. No injections needed.
Starting yearlings to saddle and then teaching advanced manouvers and spinning them and sliding to a stop all so that they can compete before they are 3 years old-couldn’t possibly be that this is the reason that hocks don’t hold up. PUH-LEEEZE! Before dumb Quarter Horse people go screwing with functional conformation, maybe they should let their horses mature first and reward the 7 year olds as futurity winners. They won’t because it’s all about the money and not the horses.
Same damn thing with the TB racing folks- want me to go bet on races then make the triple crown for 5 year olds!
OK, I’m done ranting. Merry Christmas everyone.
Merry Christmas everyone!
Annette said…
FTFOTB’s stallion has a rear end that is pretty darned close to a PRE or lusitano rear end and those horses generally do canter pirouette’s into their 20′s. But they aren’t started until they are 5 or so. No injections needed.
Thanks, Annette. Yes, I can see that in this horse. He does canter pirouettes now on his own effortlessly just playing with his ball. Very athletic horse and extremely sound. Lightly started at 3, then nothing more until later. I think he’ll hold up for a long time, and that’s one of the attributes I’m breeding for.
Annette said…
“FTFOTB’s stallion has a rear end that is pretty darned close to a PRE or lusitano rear end and those horses generally do canter pirouette’s into their 20′s. But they aren’t started until they are 5 or so. No injections needed.
Starting yearlings to saddle and then teaching advanced manouvers and spinning them and sliding to a stop all so that they can compete before they are 3 years old-couldn’t possibly be that this is the reason that hocks don’t hold up. PUH-LEEEZE! Before dumb Quarter Horse people go screwing with functional conformation, maybe they should let their horses mature first and reward the 7 year olds as futurity winners. They won’t because it’s all about the money and not the horses.”
Annette you are a legend! Spot on!
Annette wrote: Same damn thing with the TB racing folks- want me to go bet on races then make the triple crown for 5 year olds!
In racing, there’s several factors that push breeders, owners and trainers towards younger horses. Time is money, so if the breeders and owners can start making back their investment sooner, that’s going to influence them.
Another factor is the tracks themselves. What really supports the tracks are all the failed $2 bets. The most uncertain bets are the ones made on horses at the beginning of their career. Without established form, bettors are betting blind. That’s also why horses are rated according to performance rather than according to their absolute speed. You rarely see a horse evaluated by how many miles per hour they run; at most it’s by time over a set distance (three furlongs, a mile or whatever). All the better to obfuscate the bettors!
What many people don’t realize is that the three year olds are not actually faster than healthy six or seven year olds. It’s just that their performance is not as well established.
As an investor, though, I have to say that if I had the choice between starting to get a return on my investment on two and three year olds versus on five and six year olds, then I’d go for the two and three year olds.
The answer is not to take the money out because, well, money pays for all sorts of good stuff. As you suggest, the answer lies in changing the incentives.
Maybe a five year old Triple Crown open only to horses that were not entered as two year olds?
Re the Ultimate dressage thread I think sometimes people get confused, or rather dip in read something the wrong way and take umbrage. Gee I breed friesians, have bred Friesian sporthorses and in limited numbers(very) probably will again. I am looking at buying a coloured friesian sporthorse gelding for my self to ride. But I’m still here!
Every one has their own preferences, its not about if you like Arabs or QH. Paints, Friesians or Warmbloods. It’s about being responsible caring for the horses you breed and their future.
FTFOTB,
that black lad of mine said he likes your ‘yearling’
Grainne Dhu:
As a childless consumer with a large monthly entertainment budget, I would support the racing industry by placing many many failed $2.00 bets on 5 year olds that had never raced before.
The best way I can voice my opinion that I don’t give a rat’s butt if investors have to feed horses for 2 extra years is to spend my capital elsewhere.
I will likely never buy an American Quarter Horse because that is the best way for me to boycott the AQHA and the breeders who are breeding horses that look more like something that is being bred for food (that Top Secret looks like an Angus Bull) rather than a good using horse who’s parts all flow into each other with harmony and balance.
LOL! I’m no legend, just a customer with money who is spending it elsewhere. I know I’m not alone.
Annette said, “I will likely never buy an American Quarter Horse because that is the best way for me to boycott the AQHA and the breeders who are breeding horses that look more like something that is being bred for food (that Top Secret looks like an Angus Bull) rather than a good using horse who’s parts all flow into each other with harmony and balance.”
You don’t have to boycott AQHA and QH breeders. You have the power to reward the ones who are doing it right, if you can find them. Or you can breed ones yourself that you feel have the integrity to uphold a proper breed standard.
FTFOTB:
But this means I have to give them money for registrations right?
I won’t do it. There are too many other breed clubs out there who don’t advocate the abuse of individual horses or the abuse of the breed by allowing camped under, sickle hocked, looking like food stock, to be rewarded – at all.
I believe that when you buy a horse with papers and have to pay fees for transfer of ownerships, you buy into the breed club that issues those papers too.
“unsportsly man contact”
Actually, I highly recommend this,… I indulge in it quite often! I recommend Engineers above Docters or Lawyers. They can hold better conversations; your barns are built to withstand cat 5 hurricanes; they are home more frequently; they don’t tend to think of themselves as Rock Stars; nerds are just downright cute and appealing, (especailly the one’s with long hair); and they are fabulous when it comes to allowing one to indulge in one’s horsey addiction! (My husband told me I could have a horse. I thought he said I could have a herd! So I bought two pregnant mares, LOL!!!)
Fugly, my unsportsly man works at NASA. If you ever decide to move to Florida, let me know. He has several nerdy Engineer friends who really need a quality woman to show them the proper way to spend their paycheck!! =-D
‘unsportsly man’ contact – hmm – this could go either way -good or maybe not so much -like ‘girly man’ contact…
Loved the carols, wish I was that creative. Never been good at that sort of thing.
Heatheraqha, those couple of pictures are absolutely classic. Got so tickled, if my dogs had fingers, they would have called ESH (Eastern State Mental Hospital).
I have been wondering how 4Horse’s mare has been doing?
FTFOTB:
Does your paint stallion have a performance record? Must say I don’t care for his neck or how it ties into his chest. He looks like a nice guy other that that. The two mares you posted pictures of: They look like decent breeding stock, but too young to begin a breeding career.
Unsportsyman contact, is that opposed to sportsyman contact? There are a few sportsymen I would like to have contact with.
LOL, I wonder what sportsly man contact is. Sounds dirty.
charlescitycat said, “FTFOTB:
Does your paint stallion have a performance record? Must say I don’t care for his neck or how it ties into his chest. He looks like a nice guy other that that. The two mares you posted pictures of: They look like decent breeding stock, but too young to begin a breeding career.”
Thank you, I appreciate that. The two mares are now 4 and 6 years old.
I wonder if we are looking at the same pictures of him? But maybe the beauty is in the eye of the beholder? Maybe his neck is too upright for a stockhorse person? I personally don’t like a horse who travels with his neck so flat. The more upright neck will help him balance himself when he engages his rear and collects himself.
It’s a preference for use kind of thing. Even the reining AQHA horses look like they are running around on the fore- not a horse a person could do battle on for very long.
I don’t know this just popped into my head, but if something is free, it’s free, not for free, just free. Things can be for $.01 or for $1 million, but not for free. Simply FYI:)
you’re memory must be slipping hola, i never said i was someone else, shame you don’t remember me, oh well.
and again, i wasn’t looking for you, but i have read here for a while, reckognized you, and just said hi when i joined today. you took that totally out of context and ran with it. what the heck?
now, off the subject of you and back to the topic/s at hand:
like i stated before i really think aimee should be made, legally, to stay away from any animal for the rest of her life.
or maybe she should just be locked away for a while, maybe she’ll eventually learn something from all this. hope.
too bad daddy’s money ran out and the horses had to suffer for it.