Deck the halls with…an endless supply of lying, evil asshats!
Dec 19 2007
$1,500 OBO
DEAD BROKE GELDING
rawlins, WY 82301 – Dec 18, 2007
This is Jake, he is 20 years old and broke for ANYONE to ride ANYWHERE. he is about 16 hh. He is in excellent health. Is utd on shots, and just had his teeth floated. I can put ANYONE on him even my 2 year old son and let him go. He is pattened on the barrels and does well. He does not get hot when you run him. I can run the barrels and get off and put my son on him and you would never know i ran the barrels. You can rope off of him and drag things and he does not care. He wil go anywhere by the freeway by a train nothing scares him except the flash on my camera. I would like to sell him because i need a younger faster horse to run barrels on and my son is getting a pony for christmas so he does not need a big horse.
And now for the RESPONSE ad:
Free
ATTN FALSE ADS
Ogden, UT 84405 – Dec 19, 2007
Jake-Dead broke Gelding
Melissa:
I am SO disappointed in you! When I gave you Jake it was in good faith that he would be used as a lesson/babysitter horse and I told you he couldn’t be run hard due to his age (OVER 20) and his knee. You told me he would have a forever home and he would be used by children. I doubt that you have run barrels on him. AND, I gave him to you for free and you’re selling him for over $1,000! And how dumb is it to be so blatant and sell him on KSL where I had him and using his name? Duh?
DO NOT SELL HIM to anyone who does not know his ability. WE MUST keep our industry CLEAN!
Former owner, I do wish you’d take poor old Jake back. I am really worried about him, because he’s fallen into the hands of one of the worst kinds of horse buyers/adopters: the Lying, Evil Asshat.
The LEA takes many forms. He may be a killer buyer who comes to look at horses with his precious six year old daughter at his side, saying he is looking for a horse for her, and then puts your horse on the next double decker bound for Mexico. She may have a song-and-dance worthy of an Oscar about how she keeps her old horses forever and is just a great home, but then the horse pops up for free on Craigslist or you find out she traded it to a dealer for two minis because it needed vet care she didn’t want to pay for. Or they talk about what a great “rescue” they have and you find out later they’ve got three dozen horses standing in mud up to their ankles and the farrier won’t come out anymore because they owe so much money. The LEA misrepresents their facilities, their intentions, their finances, their riding skills and frequently their sanity level. They tell you they will make payments (and don’t), they snooker you into letting them take the horse on a “lease” (and then it disappears), they tell you they will not breed the rescued mare (and then you see her on HorseCity with a fugly partbred foal the next year).
I truly hate the LEA’s of the horse world. They make good owners and breeders terrified to ever sell their horses. They give the good rescuers ulcers. They create tons of work and drama as the people who actually care about the horse desperately scramble to save it. I can’t tell you the number of friends I have who’ve done the 90 mph drive to the auction yard because one of their homebreds was there after they sold it to a “forever” home. Not once did the buyer offer the horse back or ever let the breeder/seller know that they weren’t planning to keep it or that it hadn’t worked out.
This kind of behavior is despicable. Now I am going to worry about poor old Jake, who is in the hands of someone SO STUPID she doesn’t realize that he reacts to a flash BECAUSE HE’S A GAMER and THE TIMERS FLASH, you MORON!
*head explodes*
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That’s a lovely thing to hear FHOTD – something nice to go to bed on for me!
Austriancurls – thanks for the info!
Why is it that if I put my toddler on my horse sans hat/stirrups/catching person – they’d get badly injured/dead…
These idiots and Darwin award wannabe’s get away with it! No kid deserves to be hurt, but is would be good to see such bad parenting rewarded…if only to do natural selection a favour…
BY GEORGE I’VE GOT IT!!!!
all the breeders of teh ‘spotted sporthorses’ need to realize that their products will likely wind up in France, served on an ‘American Warmbred’ as some frenchy’s FILLYBURGER!
amazing what Captain Morgan and i can come up with!
*strikes the pose*
Crunch ya gonna get me fired for
ROFLOL!
Good thing ya specified Captain Morgan or maybe I’d have thought Cap’n Crunch!
Hey FHOTD:
Newbie fry or?
Want to kill me and my stallions for being FUGLY fodder?
I am having a laugh, you can rip me as you like.
How many people here go “known?”
My beer pic, and then I’m your fav BYB breeder!
http–www.curlies-austria.com-images-apropos_2007_13.jpg
*bow*
Oh well, it was fun…
BTW- I prefer Jamesons in my coffee. Nothing like it to warm your innards on a cold morning.
Marz- maybe in addition to your Fugly Urban Dictionary we could have a Fugly Horse Cookbook and Drink Mixing Guide. Plenty of submissions here.
I agree with austriancurls 100%. We were stupid country folk at the time that we foolishly let a stranger take care of our horse without any paperwork to back it up. Get. It. In. Writing.
I do it for everything now. I borrowed my boyfriend’s TV for a while when I didn’t have one, and I got that in writing *in case* we broke up and *in case* he was bitter and decided to call the cops on me for theft. I recently did a free lease myself but I got it in writing that if he was not functionally sound that they would take him back after 3 months. He wasn’t, and they did. They didn’t like it much but I had it in writing!
I like Bailey’s in my coffee, and can’t figure out the Austrian Curlies link…but hey, I think a lot of us are “known” here now…you just have to read all the comments and you’ll learn who a lot of posters really are, myself included.
I honestly don’t think most of us give a crap if anyone knows what we really think anymore.
fleeting:
Don’t get me wrong. I’ve really been there, and you can’t imagine how. But, then the last thing you need is a horse involved, when you are fighting over the rights to a TV.
A horse, is the most expensive *Pet* that anyone can have, and when it is involved in your survival, its all the more distressing.
http://www.equinelegalsolutions.com/ Good website for equine related legal contracts written and backed by an attorney.
Hi,
People like this irritate me…
I have been hurt by this on 2 occasions, when I moved interstate and rehomed 2 of my babies.
I gave my Anglo Arabian to a family to use for breeding as I wanted her to be loved and was promised a forever home. However they kept her for a month then sold her for AUD 1000.
Then I was stung a second time by giving my TB Filly away to a lovely family who promised a forever show and breeding home. They sounded so perfect I thought they were ‘the ones’. To find only 2 weeks ago my TB filly was sold (4 months after they got her from me) for AUD 1500.
Its rediculous and offensive to see such behaviour and I hope this other person comes to their senses, however I highly doubt it.
I find people like to come up with the excuse ‘its only to cover the costs we spent on the farrier and feeding etc’. When thats funny because, that shouldnt have anything to do with that!. If I was to think that way then I might as well sell my car for AUD 8,000 then add a further AUD 50,000 for everytime ive put petrol in, had to take it to the mechanic or even just to replace tyres!.
It makes me sick…
is this it?
http://curlies-austria.com/
*confused* no wait… *tipsy*
Austrian Curls- I seen a mention of Creekside Curlies. I like thier big spotted stallion. (Can’t remember his name) He’s a looker though.
I just hope for the sake of the horses Curlies don’t become the next Flavor of the Day breed.
Although it will help their prices, it usually opens the floodgates for the BYB’s to ruin yet another one…
Geezus, FUGLY…
That’s so lame.
OK, I used to love Baily’s in my coffee.
Really. In the late 80s.
Whether known or not know, is really for me “Wurst” or “sausage”
Means, I don’t give a crap.
But, funnily enough, I have Scottish and English roots…haha. but nothing Irish.
But, if what you say in your last sentence is true, then there’s no point in this blog. And, I beg to differ, there you are wrong. Many people are either learning or honing their techniques and knowlege, and the best bit is…when you send your hordes to extract vengence on the worst case scenarios…you win.
Enough said.
Beer pic
crunchberry:
Heartbreaker
Easy there Crunch. Sip don’t Gulp. Makes it last longer and you probably won’t say something you’ll later regret, but can’t remember.
Been there, Done that, in spite of my Irish and German background full of drinking. LOL!
Fugs- Baileys in coffee is good too. or Kaluha… or Amaretto… Especially with a shot of whipped cream on top with chocolate syrup drizzled over it? Yummmm!
BWAHAHAHAHHAHA
You have a CURLY DOG TOO!
Not being able to read any Austrian whatsoever I can only assume that your descriptions are lovely.
Nice website, and besides the photos riding the tiny pony, I don’t see too many things I wouldn’t be proud of!
Sorry, I meant catnjump not cruchberry. She asked about the Creekside stallion.
I just hope for the sake of the horses Curlies don’t become the next Flavor of the Day breed.
No way. Too many of them have sparse manes and tails. We’ve established that the people like HAIR. IT’S ALL ABOUT THE HAIR.
Austriancurls- That was me in search of Heartbreakers name.
Love the duds. The plastic cup to boot is how we all love our beer don’t we? Drink it outta whatever we can get it in? Hopefully nobody got any photo’s of me from back in my drinking horse daze.
Oops! Days. That shoulda been days, not daze, but daze is probably more appropriate. Right?
Hey…I’m a BYB like the best of them.
There are English pages on my site too.
Sorry, there’s no self promotion here, I was trying to TEASE FUGLY a bit.
catnjump…
daz…now, when I was back in california…heh.
daze…
those were the daze
now how did we get here?
sarcastabitch…
learn a bit about the genetics, the variations, and then please.. .rip us a new asshole.
That’s exactly what we need.
How sad for poor Jake. Yes, he will probably be listed on another site with a new name and the same picture.
I had a problem about a year ago where someone in Pamona, CA had my stallion posted for sale. She snagged a picture off my website, used the exact wording from my site and listed him with his registered name. Luckily, the Welsh community is tight and within 24 hours of posting this ad, my inbox was filled with messages asking why I was selling Sprocket for $5,000. When I checked out the sales sites, I found him listed on SEVEN different places. Luckily, all the sites yanked the ad and revoked her privledges to post any more ads, but I still check every week to make sure he doesn’t appear again.
“BWAHAHAHAHHAHA
You have a CURLY DOG TOO!”
Nah, it’s from a friend of mine, and I tested her against may allergies and it worked. So, I’m sorta thinking that I’d like one (Standard bred) but in my opinion…if it is like horses, I should search one that needs a home. Rather than buying a purebred.
Isn’t that the same awful situation with horses, you could get the perfect horse…that with the right training, gymnastics, and bloodlines could blow the competition away…but he was raised and bred in a back-water, and has no manners.
What can one say…?
Great news Fugly, I hope the dear one either comes home, or goes to that fantabulous place Lacy knew.
>>OK, I used to love Baily’s in my coffee.
Really. In the late 80s.< <
ROTFL, did I ever SAY I was under 40?
I am wearing last year’s Prada loafers right now, too.
No, I just lied. I am wearing my last surviving pair of 2002 Prada loafers…from before I got back into horses. Enough said.
I am not cool anymore, but I have quite the stunning collection of old fugly horses.
if I might…the ultimate evening winter beverage HAS TO BE mulled wine!
Inexpensive red wine (not white, never white) in a med. pot with mulling spice, warm to bubbly and pour into a clear glass mug…
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
What a fucking idiot…..people like this just piss me off to no end. Unfortunately, it seems there are lots of them, ready with a story, making you feel confident about them taking your furry family member.
It’s why I’m terrified to find homes for my horses, and why I haven’t so far.
ARRGGGHHHHHHHH
sarmichka:
mulled wine, we had a person (lady) visit us from Finland and we made a mulled wine (traditional here) for her.
austriancurls and sarmichka: Love, love, love mulled wine (Gluehwein in German). It’s the best for warming one up on a cold winter day/night!
FHOTD…
You can’t have FUGLIER studs as mine…but hey…there isn’t anything better in existence.
In my opinion…
MUHAHAHAAHAH…
Yeah, right.
Baily’s is the best thing.
Were you once in San Juan Capistano, or maybe Laguna Beach, on the coast?
The Baily’s in Coffee, that exists.
OK, I’m giving too much away?
Nah…
Capistrano
Another victim here, had a horse stolen by a racket of LEAs. Got the whole story about what a great home, and oodles of experience and if there is any problem whatsoever of course we will call so you can pick him up immediately. No updates for a couple of weeks made me suspicious, then I find out that the horse was already “sold” to some illegal. Um kinda ILLEGAL sell a horse you don’t own in the first place. Almost got the horse back and got totally screwed over by the local sheriffs, totally corrupt department that couldn’t find their ass with their own hands. The LEAs assured me that the horse shipped south of the border, hamburger in some cafeteria no doubt. I will never forgive myself for that, would rather put down any horse than re-home it to go through a similar experience. And these same liars victimize people again and again and get away with murder every time, it is just maddening. They use up horses like toilet paper, hopefully a horse will get smart and put them in the ground. They know full well what they are up to and get a big kick out of the whole thing, cause it is fun to play with animals like baseball cards, who cares where they end up.
Uh, yeah… timers DO flash. Not all of them, but a lot of them.
Every 26th of December we have our “Stefaniritt” so a ride for St. Stefan’s day. We invite friends and helpers, to take a turn on our horses, and the best Gluehwein (mulled wine) and Christmas cakes are on offer.
fuglyhorseoftheday said…
I like Bailey’s in my coffee
——————————–
Give me Bailey’s straight up or in Kahlua!
Lauren_MI_Eventer:
Lauren, this is the best for Christmas. Really. Time out. And, enjoy your horses. The best Gluehwien. MMMM:…
Sometimes, one must say…
Merry Christmas…
despite the hardships…
and a Happy New Year
and FHOTD..Cheers, with a good beer.
Yes, Froehliche Weihnachten! Merry Christmas and happy new year all, in case I forget to say it later.
fuglyhorseoftheday said…
>>Original owner: GO STEAL THE HORSE BACK! PLEASE!< <
Yeah, we will all be your alibis!
I’ll guarantee that you were at my place for lunch!
… never mind the fact that I am in Australia!
Froehliche Weihnachten, und ein guten Rutsch ins Neues Jahr….
Danke
Wuensch ich dir auch!
Beer, Captain Morgan, Bailey’s, Kahlua- geez -the www is gonna think we’re a bunch of lushes. Speaking of consuming mass quantities of alchohol, is fugly vegas still hapenning?
Another possibility for a subcategory- outrageously expensive abusive lying asshat evil trainers?
What’s fugly las vegas?
Call me naive but until a few years ago I didn’t know people could be that evil!!! I’m way too honest when I sell horses and back then sort of expected others to be at least kind of honest.
Then I rang up about a lovely arabian pony mare that was advertised for sale – Cherry. At the time I had a gorgeous ‘quality’ Welsh A mare that I was selling – Bella. While Bella was dead quiet she would occasionally rear (not just a little pretend rear but right up!). As she was sposed to be my girls pony (then 4 and 6 and both a little timid) there was no way I was going to risk her rearing with them. Several people reckoned they could ‘train the rear out of her’ but IMO once a rearer always a tendancy to be a rearer. Sure you can decrease the incidence – but would you put your inexperienced kids on a pony that MIGHT rear? Not me!!! So what to do with her? I had advertised her as a pony for an experienced older child but was waiting for the magazine to hit the newstand (intending to fully inform potential buyers of her little habit).
In the mean time I rang about Cherry and got talking to the girl (LEA as it turned out). I mentioned Bella (and her habit and the fact that I didn’t want to sell her to a home where a kid might get hurt) and she said that she would be interested in a part swap as she was looking for nice smaller ponies to breed to her arab stallion. Excellent I thought!! A win win for everyone. We agreed on a deal and a day (2 weeks after) when I would drop Bella off and pick Cherry up. (OK I am ashamed of myself for selling to a BYB but you live and learn I guess and FHotD has opened my eyes)
So 2 weeks later on a Saturday morning that’s what I did.
On the following WEDNESDAY I got a call from a girl asking if I was the ‘former’ owner of Loch Sloy Pretty Bianca (Bella)? I was a bit confused…yes I was…why. She said that she was thinking of buying her from the new owner and getting her broken in for her BEGINNER 3 and 4 YO CHILDREN and had looked at her on SUNDAY. The LEA had been advertising her since the day we did the deal (on a site that I wasn’t aware of at the time) and had people lined up to see her straight after I’d dropped her off!!!!! I would never have known if I hadn’t advertised in a different magazine – the potential buyer saw her in it and recognised the name. UNBELIEVABLE. Even worse I explained to this girl that the pony already was broken in but was a rearer – and she said she would PROBABLY BUY HER ANYWAY!!!!!
AND on calling the previous owner of Cherry it appears this LEA had done the exact same thing to her!!!!!
What is wrong with people????!!!!!!
I’m so cynical now – sad.
taldara:
Did you make them sign a contract?
When I semi-retired my mare, Bobbie, a couple of years ago, just about everyone we ran into suggested we breed her.
Toying with the idea, we decided to trace her history.
First we spoke again with the previous owners. We also spoke with some people who weren’t owners but knew the mare, and knew previous owners.
We got in contact with the owner before L, I can’t remember her name so I’ll call her Jan.
Well! Bobbie had been given to Jan by a friend of hers, we’ll say Sue (I don’t think we were ever told her name).
Sue was suffering from severe marriage truama, the whole “me or the horse”. So Bobbie went to her very close and trusted friend, to live with her forever and be used as a pleasure and lesson horse, and Sue moved to another state (rather heartbroken).
Jan leased Bobbie to a girl who rode her on the property, took her to Pony Club and shows, and generally loved her.
The girl and her mum begged Jan to sell them Bobbie. They agreed and promised to keep her on the property, they justed wanted to own her, be responsible for her etc.
Well, Jan decided to sell them Bobbie for much less than her value, on the condition that she stay on the property. Jan refused to give us Sue’s name and address, she didn’t want her to know what had happened, and didn’t want us to upset her by talking to her abou the horse that she’d loved, but been forced to give up.
Needless to say, the new owners arrived with the horse float the day after the mare was paid for, and she never returned to the property again. With nothing in writing, there was nothing for Jan to say – these people were the owners.
In just a couple of years time the girl had outgrown Bobbie’s height, her age and her ability. Which is when I bought her =)
She’s now 19 and I too have outgrown her height, age and ability. HOWEVER, I still own her and she is free leased to one of my best friends =)
Early next year my friend is going to Uni, so Bobbie will return to us and then be leased out again, until she is ready to retire.
So if the lady I’ve dubbed Sue ever reads this, your much loved mare has found a REAL forever home =)
Bobbie Sox
Bobbie is a lovely horse. I really like her.
Taldara, I have seen similar situations.
B worked for K, a trotting trainer. K had bought a lovely little unbroken registered showpony, and they did a deal. B would work free of charge, and in return B would get to keep the pony for his daughter.
A few weeks/months later, after B had worked for free and put training into the pony (who is now green broken), B and K had a falling out, so K sold the pony to G.
G picked the pony up, but K did not give G the papers because G had not paid the full amount for the pony.
G refuses to finish paying (Or claims that she has), and then sells pony on to A. A believes the pony is quiet, well broke and will be well suited to her young daughter.
We keep our horses in the same stables and B and K, and happen to know A through eventing.
A was told that the pony was registered, but after paying for the pony in full has not received papers. We are able to tell her that is because K still has the papers.
K is taking G to court for not paying. Now A is thinking about taking G to court for misrepresentation (promising papers when she didn’t have them).
We lost contact with the situation then. However A’s older son was riding the pony and did manage to give the pony a lot more expierence. A few months ago we saw A advertising the pony for sale and it appeared to have really settled down and been going nicely.
Although I don’t know the actual end outcome…what a convuluted mess! Gah! All because people did things without contracts, dishonestly and took risks.
*^^* Just on the point of taking risks….
Last year we paid $7000 for an interstate eventer, whom we’d only seen two photos of, spoken to the owner a few times on the phone, and did not get a vet check.
Where we mad…?
Well, she’s the one who put him on the transport truck BEFORE we’d paid for him! =P
So there you have it, there are still some honest people out there! We’re just few and far between (and sometimes, just as crazy as the LEAs LOL).
austriancurls said…
“taldara:
Did you make them sign a contract?”
Unfortunately no – as I said I was stupid and naive!!! Also I’m Australian and contracts weren’t at all common in thoses days.
I have another story re LEAs too (doesn’t everyone?): The story goes that this woman (let’s call her Anne) bought a ‘bomb proof’ gelding from a LEA, craftily disguised as a caring owner, for several thousand dollars.
Anne had had bad experiences in the past so arranged for a 2 week trial before purchase. For the first week the horses behaves exceptionally!! The seller rings up and asks if she can come visit the horse to see how he’s going. Anne agrees of course.
On arrival the seller asks if she can visit the horse by herself – she wants to say a private goodbye to her much loved boy. For the next week the gelding is again an angel. Anne thinks she has found the horse of her dreams and pays the vendor.
Then the longacting sedative that the LEA slipped this nutso gelding twice wears off!!! Poor Anne. Gave the horse away to someone more experienced, lost her money and doesn’t have horses anymore.
*What’s fugly las vegas?*
There was a rumor a few months back that we would all head to vegas for a fugly get together.
Crazychickmia… hilarious story!! Yes some people are sooo shonky!!
Being an SthAus girl too you might even know the LEA from my previous post (that bought Bella from me). Apparently she’s well know for this type of scam. The horse dentist that told me the story from my second post said, after I told him my story: “Oh that would be Kylie from out north?”. Yep – spot on.
Now he tells me!!
PS Bobby Socks looks lovely
Ah, yes, the good old “Forever Home” bullshit. That line is as good as the check’s in the mail, and I won’t **** in your… Well, you get the idea.
I can probably count on one hand the number of people I know, myself included, that have sold horses to the Forever Home that was.
If you really care about your old timer, or any horse, the only way you can be sure the horse will be taken care of to your standards is don’t sell them. I know that’s a hard concept for a diehard horse lover to wrap their head around, but it’s true.
People will tell you all kinds of stories – anything you want to hear – to get you to sell or give them your horse. Only a fool would believe half the horseshit they’ll say.
I don’t take my chances any more. I’ve seen one too many times how it didn’t work out in the end. No more. My horses aren’t going anywhere. They’ll go to family or be put to sleep if something happens to me, but I refuse to lose sleep ever again wondering what happened to a horse I sold – or worse – finding out my worse fears were realized.
OMG.poor horse!. i hate people like that!and personally i have gotten our best horses free becuse they had to retire from their work.but all my horses die here knowing they where loved.we lost two this year. a 25yr old who developed pnumonia as a complication from choke. and a 32yr old who coliced.he died with his head in my lap when the vet put him down.i could never sell any of my 6 horses they are all lifers here.if for any reason i had to part with them they would be put down just becuse of things like this.that way i know they are in a place where they are never cold abused or hungry
taldara – I shudder.
“Oh that would be Kylie from out north?”
I live in the north of the state. The person I referred to as “K” in my story is called Kylie =P
crazychickmia@bigpond.com
Email me, I’d love to say where I am and see if it’s the same person =) Might not be…but you never know!
Gah. I know one girl who is corrupt as the day is long, as has been since she’s been a young teenager.
She’ll be given a tb STRAIGHT off the track, take a photo of it with ribbons around it’s neck then advertise it for a couple of grand >=(
Or advertise a TB as “safe for kids” when she wont even ride it herself and has to drug it to go to shows.
*bangs head on desk*
austriancurls wrote:
Shit happens here too, but ASK for a CONTRACT. Stop trusting people, make people scared shitless with a contract. Whether you board or sell, do it right, make it legal. Geezus. I mean, stop it. It doesn’t matter if it is your best friend. Stop it.
I wouldn’t sell or re-home a dog without a contract but I am here to tell you, a contract is about as much protection as the paper it is printed on will be in a thunderstorm.
For instance, years ago I bred a litter out of a show quality bitch by a top ranked male. There were these people who lived fairly nearby, we belonged to the same dog training club and I had known them casually for years. They bought a show quality bitch out of the litter. I made a home visit, checked their references, had a contract drawn up by a lawyer who specializes in contract law and they signed, etc.
Went out there and visited a couple times, nice visits, the puppy was doing well.
Then I couldn’t get hold of them on the phone any more, they stopped coming to club meetings and they were never home when I dropped by.
I was worried but without anything concrete to go on, I really didn’t have any recourse.
Fast forward to 18 months old. For some reason these LEAs took her to a match (a sort of practice show for dogs that doesn’t count for anything). This puppy was emaciated and barely able to walk. Her coat was dead and dried out and her eyes said she’d given up. My heart was broken. I tried to buy her back right there for her original puppy price right there but the LEAs refused.
Went home and thought things over. Yes, I had a contract (for one thing. they owed me a puppy back out of her) but in the time it would take to go to court, this bitch would be dead. The only people who would really benefit would be the lawyers.
So I sucked it up and wrote this really nice letter to them. Said how I knew they must be so overwhelmed since they had a baby and maybe they were realizing they just didn’t have time in their lives for a show quality bitch right now, blah blah, blah. Finished it up with how I knew money must be tight for them with all the expenses of a new baby. Would they consider selling her back to me for five times her puppy price?
I was lucky because they agreed to sell her back. I could have gone up to a maximum of ten times but I was hoping to leave some bargaining room.
I got her back and she had three happy years with me before the cardiac damage caused by her early starvation killed her.
I had a contract and it didn’t do one damn bit of good!
A friend of mine re-homed a dog she rescued to a woman out of state. With a contract. After she shipped the dog to this woman, she got a weird feeling from the woman. The new owner was evasive and giving different answers from one hour to the next.
My friend arranged for the dog to be shipped back to her the next day but the new owner never showed up at the airport with the dog.
My friend finally organized a phone tree and called every vet in the owner’s municipal area (over 2000 vets in all). They found the dog all right. She’d been euthanised by a vet within two hours of landing at the airport that very first day.
Didn’t matter that the contract specifically forbid euthanasia for anything but a catastrophic medical emergency and that the rescuer had a permanent first right of refusal to take the dog back if the new owner didn’t want it.
The vet who euthanised the dog didn’t know about the contract. He believed the new owner when she said that she had owned the dog for nearly two years and the dog had bitten her child (what child???) and husband (what husband????) after an escalating series of aggressive events.
That’s when my friend found out that even though she had a legal contract, it would require a retainer of $20K to go to court in another state to enforce it. She had proof (the dog’s bill of lading, the vet’s statement, etc) but if the owner chose to fight, the legal costs could easily go up to $50K.
Twenty thousand dollars could avenge one single dead dog or it could be used to rescue and re-home 40-60 dogs.
Me, I would have gone after that woman with everything I had but my friend decided that it was more important to keep on saving dogs that would otherwise be euthanised.
I’m not saying contracts aren’t a good idea and requiring one will weed out a good many LEAs right off the bat. But with LEAs who are really scum, the contract won’t protect the animal.
Me, I figure my well known appetite for revenge does more to protect the animals I’ve rescued and re-homed than my contract. I’ve gotten a lot meaner since I sold that puppy and I won’t stop until I am satisfied with the level of revenge I have wreaked.
That probably turns off some potential homes. I say fine; I don’t want my animals to be in a home where their new human isn’t willing to fight for them with someone like me up to the last gasp of breath in their body.
And if someone hurts a dog I rescued and re-homed, that last gasp of air might be enough revenge to satisfy me. Although I wouldn’t rule out pissing on their grave as well.
Those people who starved the puppy I sold them? About five years after they sold her back to me, I hear they had a terrible run of luck, just terrible. All sorts of things going wrong on their farm and with their machinery. Cost them a lot of money and then with the drought that year, well, they were in bad financial condition.
Can’t say I was surprised.
>>There was a rumor a few months back that we would all head to vegas for a fugly get together< <
I still want to do it, but right now it’s hard for me to even get away for a day. Just too many horses, too many side projects on top of my full time job, blah blah. You guys can go without me, of course, and I strongly encourage it! I just don’t know when things are going to slow down and right now it looks like around the tenth of Never.
As for San Juan Capistrano or Laguna Beach, I’ve been to the latter once for dinner. That’s it. My best friend’s brother has a beach house there. Beautiful place!
austriancurls said…
marzbarz:
You go girl! (boy!)
Beer is good. Long live beer
Hooray!
Am a girl, LOL!
Crunchberry’s mom said…
is this it?
http://curlies-austria.com/
*confused* no wait… *tipsy*
*JEALOUS!* Cuz I just love the landscape pic on that website AND because tipsy is fun. -Grinz-
A ( reputable ) therapeutic riding center can be a GREAT retirement situation for an older horse that can still be lightly ridden. Our local facility in my town offers the horses loving human contact, good medical care and a very much appreciated job to do. It’s a win/win situation IMO.
Crazychickmia
Probably not the same Kylie. This one lives in outer suburbs north of Adelaide – a little further south than you (I cheated – your Blog profile tells me where you are!). I’m in the Adelaide Hills (Echunga/Meadows).
Maybe we should have our own Ozzie Fugly-get-together one day. We’ll get Hairybeasties and Blackfluffyhorses and talk Fugly Horses. Do you go to Dressage With The Stars?
lurker here. slightly off topic, but i am an insomniac.
thought ya’ll might enjoy if you had a couple of minutes….. got a little bit of everything here for your viewing pleasure.
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-63005
they just dropped his price: he was a couple hundred the other day.
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-61087
heres what you get after serving people for 20 years.
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-54763
after nearly thirty years….
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-54397
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-37843
parent of the year.
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-37814
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-36208
sigh….
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-38168
and the winner! check the color and spelling!
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-51892
heres your stallion.
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-60030
where do you start?
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-41371
parent of the year.
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-53785
will trade for chihuahua!!
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-61205
is she 3 or 30? just want you want, horse you can’t catch. duplicate of mother? can you catch the mom?
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-55953
herd reduction. you name it we got it, no shit. donkey, turkeys, dogs and peacocks.
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-55304
Duke is a 1 1/2 yr old Appendix/Paint stallion that was bought for my son but Duke is to much for him to handle so Duke is looking for a good home. Duke is smart and is a big boy. He is 14h. already.We are asking $800 OBO or trade for an older horse for a beginer rider. If you would like more info just call or email me.
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-57443
WTF?
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-54040
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-60019
nice facilities
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-43378
great photo?? won’t fight back: does this mean you can beat her?
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-62527
??? and NO pictures, don’t ask.
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-56610
mmmmm…..
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-53764
do people really respond??
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-53285
hell, we all want this, don’t we?
Sad you need a licence to get married,drive a car and extend your house but any wood duck can go get a horse and have kids.Think a bit, give jack back so he gets a chance at retiring to someone who just might get it right.BFAIR
Thank God for the internet! (and Fugly Horse)We can out these sneaky, horse dealing, LOOOSERS!!
Just a word about contracts.
I’m not a lawyer. That’s why I had a lawyer review and revise the contract I drew up for my leased horses.
Did you know, in some states, a lease or financing contract is not considered valid unless it addresses issues such as (but not limited to) what constitutes default and what are the contracted consequences?
Did you know a “free” lease should specify that the “free” nature” of the arrangement doesn’t indicate that the horse is of no monetary value? If your lease is set up properly, you have not only civil, but criminal recourse if you are dealing with a LEA who disposes of your property outside of the terms of your lease…it’s called conversion.
I’m a sucker for a special needs horse, but I know my limitations. I am in no means a rescue, really not even a true rehabber. I’ll selectively place them in homes with the understanding they must come back to me if the person can no longer keep them.
I’ve been lucky or diligent in my choice of placements, or a little of both, because I have no horror stories to tell.
Don’t loose hope if you are the victim of one of these lowest of life, destined for Hell, back stabbing horse people. I fell victim to one and fought back.
To make a long story short, my guy was retired to what we thought would be his “forever†home. Person swore up and down that she would provide forever home with little kids fawning over my guy and he would live happily ever after. This didn’t happen. She traded him to a horse trader for another horse! I bought him back, sued the lowest of life, destined for Hell, back stabbing horse person who lied to me for his purchase price and WON! You have to have it documented that you had an agreement with the other party (contract, and yes an email agreement where I am constitutes a contract). You have to show good faith toward you horse by FIRST buying them back and then suing the other party.
Good luck if any of you have had the bad luck of running into any of these lowest of life, destined for Hell, back stabbing horse people……..they are many and not far between.
Urban Coyote
P.S: My guy is happily grazing in my pasture again after coming home.
Just my 2 cents worth. If you have an animal for sale, ask for a vet reference, and then check it out before you go any further! If they can’t provide one, that should be a deal breaker right there. Before I lost my 30 year old AQHA gelding last January, both times I moved him to different boarding stables (2 moves in 30 years, not bad!) I asked my vet for references so I’d have him in a good environment. Just a thought for the responsible people here who actually worry about where their horses end up.
This is a clear and obvious case of RECKLESS ENDANGERMENT OF A CHILD. Where is this farm? To allow a 2 yo TODDLER to be riding a HORSE with no helmet and not on holdng the horse is beyond STUPID. Where are these public agencies when you need them? This photo should be mailed to the local child protection agency with the identity of this negligent parent’s name.
Urban Coyote said…
“Don’t loose hope if you are the victim of one of these lowest of life, destined for Hell, back stabbing horse people. I fell victim to one and fought back.”
Good for you, Coyote. It needs to be said that it isn’t enough to “do all the right things” contractually if you aren’t willing to follow through in case of default.
You should also take identifying photos…and pull some mane, and put it in a container in case you ever have to identify the horse. Would I spend the bucks to use DNA to prove it was the same horse? You betcha. In person, one might mistake my friendly, outgoing nature as icing on a cupcake. Not so. If one of my leases ended up with a LEA, I would turn making their life miserable into a religion.
Can we all say “Reckless Endangerment of a Minor Child”? Where is this farm – the link is now gone? Besides the fact that this horse is being abused and the original agreement with the person who gave her the horse is being breached – this little toddler is being put at great risk of serious injury or death!!
I’d like to send this photo on to the local child protection agency and ask them to consider if this horse trips or moves suddently this little boy will come off – head first (all toddlers are top heavy) with not helmet or adult there to protect him.
austriancurls said…
sarcastabitch…
learn a bit about the genetics, the variations, and then please.. .rip us a new asshole.
That’s exactly what we need.
I almost bought a curly. A nice gelding from Montana called “First Snow”. I like them. I do know that in the pursuit of “homozygous” curly coats, sometimes the maximal expression results in a sparse mane and tail, but I am aware that many nicely curly horses have lovely curly manes and tails. I also recognise that many curlies do not show curls much at all, and some are only apparent in the thick winter coats.
If you would like a new asshole ripped, I will happily tell you and your breed to start breeding for some damn height because 14.2hh is just not enough.
That’s about it though, and since you curly people seem to like short little horses, I don’t see much hope of that.
Don’t forget the LEA horse sellers. The ones who sell batshit psycho horses to newbies usually by tranqing them when Mr. and Mrs. Asshat bring little Suzie and Johnnie to look at the horse. They advertise them as “kid safe” putting all who come in contact with the crazy horse from Hell after the drugs wear off in mortal danger. Yes, I bought one of these and even though I had all the documentation from her ads on the internet stating the horse was kid/beginner/husband safe and “too mellow” and my farrier and a trainer were willing to testify, no one was interested. We couldn’t get the podunk sheriff’s dept. where this woman lives interested at all. If I wanted to sue her civilly I’d have had to travel 3 hours to her county to do it and the woman probably wouldn’t have paid anyway. I tried talking to her and demanding my money back and she hung up on me and called the police on me for harassing her. ONE phone call to the bitch and I get a nasty phone call from the Sheriff Asshat threatening me with prosecution. WHAT? I walked away from the whole thing and used it as a learning experience. I learned how evil and deceptive people in the horse business can be. Before that I had no clue how bad it is.
Sarc- the Curlies have hair. It’s just… well… different!
I can remember when palomino’s were a dime a dozen and you couldn’t give them away. All of a sudden BAM! They are bringing top dollar.
Then it was paint horses. Same thing. Nobody gave two shits for a paint horse. BAM! All of a sudden they are the thing to have.
Fresians were pretty low key even for some time after LadyHawke. Then they were the Flavor of the Month. GV’s and Drum Horses went the same way.
Curly’s are just cool. IMO. When the BYB get their hands on them and they become fashionable is when they- BYB’s- begin destroyng the breed and unravelling the years of work and dedication folks like AustrianCurls have put into making them what they are and the reason they are sought after.
Gabriella-
Another possibility for a subcategory- outrageously expensive abusive lying asshat evil trainers?
Hubby and I are writing a book about this one- all of them in general. You would be shocked by their numbers and their actions…
Long time reader, first time poster. Love you bunches FHOTD!!!!!
I have had some experiences with LEA’s in the past and currently, and each experience has made my boarding, breeding, sales and lesson contracts and waivers longer and more explanatory and more pissy in general to potential purchasers, boarders, lesson students etc…
For back-story, I had a dear friend that had been burned several times over horse sales and had learned a few things from her.
Four years ago, I had two of my yearlings for sale. Priced right, show fit and groomed, show experience and placings, excellent fillies all the way around. People called me, sounded nice over the phone, had two young girls that were in 4-H and had several years of experience. They had a trainer that the filly would be with that sounded reputable and knowledgeable. Set up a time for them to look at the girls.
So they choose the sorrel filly, spend about 3 hours here, boast about themselves quite a bit, (snore, groan) and then ask if I will take payments. I answered yes, but that they will sign a contract, set up a monthly payment date, pay half-board, and half farrier bill every 8 weeks. All money is non-refundable; filly doesn’t leave the property, and papers are not transferred until all bills are paid in full. They are responsible for insurance and must show proof of it, etc…. They sign the contract, pay a $500 deposit, agree to $300 a month payment (their choice on the $$$) pay the half-board for the month. All is well, or so I thought. About 2 weeks later they call me and ask me if I know anyone looking for a 2 y/o APHA prospect for $2,300, they are selling theirs to come up with money quicker for mine (uugghh!) The filly sounded nice, and I did have a client who was looking for a futurity prospect, so grabbed the client and off we went for a 2 1/2 hour drive. I get to the boarding stable where the filly is at and was just disgusted with the facility, the trainer and the filly. And this was where my filly was going to end up! The trainer, owners of the paint (buyers on my filly) and the husband of the barn owner were making excuses left and right for the conditions. It was Feb. It’s cold and muddy/frozen, it’s hard to clean 10 stalls in the cold or do repairs on half eaten stall walls, the water freezes all the time, we didn’t have time to brush the filly (who was covered in her own feces and did everything but kill the trainer to get away from her!) I am totally disgusted, my client is totally po’ed and had no problems stating it to everyone present . I took the filly from the “trainer” and worked a little with her. She was a sweet, little thing when she wasn’t being chased around and given an opportunity to settle down.) I had a price in my head, $1,000 and asked them if they would take it. Of course being ignorant asshats that they were they yelled and screamed at how low a price that was and just because she was not brushed didn’t mean she was that cheap! I shook my head, grabbed my client before she punched someone and we left. Got down the road about 5 miles and they called me on my cell and said how the sale was off, and I said good and they wanted their money back, reminded them of the contract, they said they would call their lawyer; I said do it and hung up. A few weeks later I got a letter in the mail from there attorney stating they wanted all their money back and damages for slander (ranting and raving at them in the barn I guess) and they were willing to take it to court if need be. Laughed my ass of over the letter, and then called my attorney. I gave him the contract, copies of the checks (I learned from a previous sale to do this), pictures of the conditions of their boarding barn and filly. We ended up in court and the magistrate had it done and over with in less than 10 minutes. Gave them a huge tongue lashing and found in my favor. So now when I have occasion to sell anything, it is added in my contract that the I will inspect the premises and if I find them uninviting I have the right to kill the sale with no refund of any monies. I tell people of all the hoops they gotta jump through before they even come out. Scares a lot of them off. I don’t sell many horses, but I have never made any that I was not willing to keep for life no matter what.
And the filly: She is still here, will never be sold, packs around a 4-H student who leases her during show season, trains my collegiate team in to how to ride the laziest 4 yo in the world, and is overall just a super nice, big doof like her father.
As far as the boarding end of contracts. Good Grief! There are days I hate the boarding business. Trying to explain to boarders that the 1st of the month means just that. Holding your pain in the ass horse for the farrier, who you coddle and fawn over as he tries to eat you, costs $10 if I have to deal with him. Yes, me hand walking, cold water hosing 2x a day, your lame horse that you decided was a fine specimen for eventing, jumping, reining etc….and conformational build to breakdown in 2 seconds flat is $10 each time I have to do it, which was spelled out in your friggin contract, which I made sure you read and signed.
The best one yet though, I am getting threatening letters from a lawyer, whose client had a pregnant mare here for less than a month prior to this event, that went into mild colic. I called the owner, number was disconnected, called the emergency number for the owner; son answered the phone and didn’t have a way to reach his dad. I called the vet, she comes out, tubes the mare, decides to sonogram the mare just to make sure the baby is okay, turns out just fine. The owner finally calls 4 hours later and talks to the vet, vet wants to put the mare on antibiotics for a mild infection and regumate for 30 days, just as a precaution. Owner has a fit says no to all further treatment and hangs up. Owner shows up 3 days later with trailer in tow, and totally drunk at 9AM. Starts screaming and yelling how I had no right to call the vet, I am responsible for the bill, blah, blah blah…. I reminded him of the contract which states in the event I can not reach the owner, I have the right to contact a vet and the owner will be billed for all expenses incurred. He didn’t care said he was right, I was wrong, loaded his mare and left. So now my poor attorney is dealing with another asshat! Gotta love LEA’s! NOT!!
Sorry for the rambling and long windedness. LOL
Blogger stomperx said…
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-60030
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drives me crazy…
I have to post this. I see the therapeutic riding center for retirement option come up again and again on FHOTD. Here is what therapeutic riding centers are looking for. This directly from one of their pages. They are not looking for partially lame somewhat blind 20+ year olds in need of a retirement like every one seems to think. These horses need to be capable of working for 3 hours a day.
Want To Donate A Horse?
Thanks so much for your interest in placing your horse. It is only through the generosity of people like you that we can help our riders gain self-confidence, increase muscle tone and experience the thrill of riding a horse.
To submit a horse for consideration, please contact us for a questionnaire/submission form.
Below are some considerations to keep in mind regarding our requirements for horses:
Horses must have full and complete vision.
Horses must be sound in all four limbs. Soundness is important in order to have a rhythmic, cadenced, free-moving stride at the walk, trot and canter. Horses that can only walk with limited trotting are of minimal use to our riders. A horse with an unbalanced stride could cause disturbing responses in our riders.
Horses should be between nine and sixteen years of age. Due to the amount of training we invest in our horses, we hope they will stay with us for several years. There are always exceptions, however.
Any additional information you have, such as copies of registration papers, health records, photos, awards, etc., would be helpful.
It is important that your horse feel comfortable around a variety of people. Horses in our program are ridden for not more than three one-hour sessions a day. However, many people handle them over the course of each day. Several volunteers will groom and tack the horse. And in addition to the rider, a horse may have a leader and up to two side walkers.
After reviewing the questionnaire, if we determine that your horse seems appropriate for our program, we will arrange a time to meet and ride the horse. At that time, if we think the horse seems suitable, we will ask for a 30-day trial period. Depending on the age of the horse, the trial period is sometimes longer.
Blogger HorsePoor said…
Don’t forget the LEA horse sellers. The ones who sell batshit psycho horses to newbies usually by tranqing them when Mr. and Mrs. Asshat bring little Suzie and Johnnie to look at the horse. They advertise them as “kid safe” putting all who come in contact with the crazy horse from Hell after the drugs wear off in mortal danger.
i had contact with one of these bastards once! i told yall… my mom sent mt to look at a pony she wanted to get for my timid nephew. the guy was all over me to breed my AQHA mare with his ‘spotted saddle horse’…
anyway… he seemed so sleazy, i decided to stall for time and come back unannounced. guess what? quiet lil pony was actually BATSHIT CRAZY and ran my husband through a swingset!
i HATE Lying Evil Asshats!
Oh the stories I could tell of people who have called me after the fact to try and salvage their horse or ask for advice as to what to do with their crazed horse and would I buy it. The child safe, bomb proof, kid’s horse they just bought for a ton of money and the drugs wore off a day later, and is now ripping the place apart.
It never ceases to amaze me the evil things people will do to sell a horse to a family that just wants a nice quiet horse.
Crazy LEA boarders are the reason why they won’t do boarding up at the equestrian center. They put the boarding price so high that no one in this area will pay it. The only outside horses they take in are those for training and then they aren’t cheap. They do encourage the owners to come and take lessons, included in the training price, but most of them don’t bother showing up and then they still can’t ride the horses because they don’t know what they are doing.
A good case in point was a couple of years ago, two nice young Arabs that newbie owners bought and of course couldn’t even halter. They were at the arena for three months, the owners showed up once, the horses were trained, taken on trail rides, exposed to every situation and the owners came back soon after and complained that the horses threw everyone who tried to ride them. Well stupid, learn to ride you had the opportunity.
To me it is criminal to purposefully advertise an untrained and/or psychotic human hating 1,000 pound animal as kid/beginner safe targeting clueless newbie/beginner horse owners. It is SO dangerous and irresponsible it makes me ill. Thank God when I got schnookered I had enough brains not to put a child on a new horse. Shit my farrier used to ride the rodeo circuit and she scared him. LOL The trainer spent 15 minutes with her and said “she’s crazy and will kill someone, it’s not if, it’s when she’ll kill someone, get rid of her.”
I will say that not all owners are that stupid. A nice lady who was starry eyed over Friesians bought a gorgeous mare, turns out she was bred and had a lovely foal. The lady soon found that the Friesian was more than she could handle so she brought the horse up to the arena for three months training. She also faithfully showed up three times a week for lessons, participated in a sensory clinic, and did everything she could to learn about the horse and how to handle it. As far as I know she now has the horse home and is getting along fine with her. But this lady had sense enough to learn what she needed to know.
Man, this just hits home. But on the opposite side of the LEA spectrum.
5 months ago, I started leasing a mare after my gelding had to be put down due to colic. Mare had been in a pasture by herself for a fairly long time. The owner lived out of town, so horse never got much care and attention since the barn wasn’t a full service one. She had some pretty bad dermatitis on her stomach; was totally bald there from biting herself. She cribbed. You could tell she’d give anything for love and attention.
I got her wormed regularly, made sure the farrier did regular trims on her feet, put salve on her stomach, and sprayed her down regularly to keep the bugs off. Got a cribbing collar for her to wear, and everything. Only rode her a few days a week, but was there every day to take care of her.Gave her lots of love. She wasn’t crazy about being in the ring, but loved the trails.
So after a while her owner kept trying to get me to buy her as a “Christmas present for myself” He wanted quite a bit of money for this market. She was a nice horse, but no papers, had been bred twice, indeterminate age (owner said around some age, but offered nothing to determine that) could have been older, but maybe not more than mid-teens maybe. Owner started talking about getting a second person for the lease then, or me taking on the full lease. I offered to take on her expenses if she was given to me, owner used the “value” card, still wanted at least $1,000 for her. Owner talked about sacrifice and going the extra yard to buy (as if we haven’t seen enough examples here of people who have bought horses but treat ‘em bad)and how the horse deserved a loving understanding owner (which “Free to a Good Home” apparently doesn’t apply.)
Guess it probably was too much for me to expect that he’d give her to me anyway, but it’s not like I would have flipped her or anything. And I understood her cribbing problem, tried to work with it. Wouldn’t ever had bred her, would’ve taken care of her, and loved her as a keeper for life. I guess the LEA type sellers might make one wary, but I had offered some money. I’m not sure if I’d pay as much as $1,000 given the market, but it just sounded like he was in it for the money, not the horse’s benefit. I mean, she cribs. Not exactly popular.
Ah well, I decided it’s best to end the lease than let myself get jerked around by an absentee owner who says his horse needs regular attention (which I gave her, which she hadn’t gotten for years before that) and that what I was doing wasn’t enough. I really feel for the horse, but think it’s best to end things now before it ends in tears, or worse.
I have an asshat story…
This involved the friend of a girl in my Horse Production class at the time.
The girl buys this Shire mare online from people in TX (we’re in SC). There was a “video of the mare” on their website and everything. Well, what walks off the trailer when the animal was shipped was an emaciated, wheezing, injured mare.
As a filly, her mama accidentally stepped on her face crushing her left eye socket and nasal passage. They never had a vet check her. So at 3yr old they sold the mare to this girl. The video on the website was of the mare’s SISTER. Her eye had long ago rotted in her skull and was nothing but a puss filled socket. She couldn’t breathe out of her left nostril and had restricted breathing out of her right (you could hear this mare struggling for breath from the other side of the arena). Of course the people were taken to court. It was decided the humane thing to do was put the mare down, so she was donated to our class in order to perform a necropsy on her. When we opened that poor mare up, her lungs were horrid looking — she had obviously had chronic pneumonia her whole life.
Now what kind of idiot thinks, “Garsh we found us someone to buy this here mare off us! She’ll never know it’s not the one in the video!” Grrr!! She was a sweet mare too.
I would be very wary of buying a horse sight unseen, even with a video (the same reason I would be hesitant to choose a breeding stallion from a video). I know of a girl (a friend of a friend) who purchased for several thousand dollars, a filly from Texas. Video, pictures, etc. However, upon arrival, this filly had a moderately severe twisted front pastern. It was hidden very well in all the videos, pictures, etc. I think she ended up keeping her, but the horse would never stand up to hard work.
It all comes to buyer beware (and be aware that there are a LOT of shady horse dealers out there!).
Sorry but I thought this post was more appropriate here… Wasn’t this what the original post was sort of about???
First ad-
http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1100241
No mention of the reason the second ad from the new owners is selling her- for half the price mind you…
http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1100241
I am going to try contacting the current owners- yeah, like I need another horse, but hey. I can explain it all later to hubby. Maybe while he’s sleeping! After she shows up! Hee Hee!
Yes he’s a gonna shoot me one day, but he’ll still have to take care of all of the horses.
BTW- check out the website for seller#2. More stallion leg hugging going on.
Is that another new fugly acronym? SLH…
>>Oh the stories I could tell of people who have called me after the fact to try and salvage their horse or ask for advice as to what to do with their crazed horse and would I buy it. The child safe, bomb proof, kid’s horse they just bought for a ton of money and the drugs wore off a day later, and is now ripping the place apart.
It never ceases to amaze me the evil things people will do to sell a horse to a family that just wants a nice quiet horse.< <
That happened to me when I was 19. Not that I needed a deadhead, but when the drugs wore off, this mare went from normal TB to totally insane bolter.
Ah well, you live and learn. I learned not to pay that much money buying a horse from a dealer.
>>To make a long story short, my guy was retired to what we thought would be his “forever†home. Person swore up and down that she would provide forever home with little kids fawning over my guy and he would live happily ever after. This didn’t happen. She traded him to a horse trader for another horse! I bought him back, sued the lowest of life, destined for Hell, back stabbing horse person who lied to me for his purchase price and WON!< <
GOOD FOR YOU!!!!!
So happy to hear this and that your horse is safely home again.
CutnJump – the links you posted are the same, and I’d love to see the other ad!
4Horses&Holding said…
“CutnJump – the links you posted are the same, and I’d love to see the other ad!”
Here’s the correct 2nd link for Sweet Elegance.
second link
Thanks OrangeElmo!
In the second link ad it mentions that Sweet Elegance AKA Sweet Pea is deaf. Could that account for the drop in price?
Just a word on leases with an “option to buy”:
An “option to buy†is put in a lease contract to protect the leasee. There is normally a purchase price referenced. Often a horse will be advertised “For Sale†or “Lease with option to buy†for $X.
If you were leasing a horse and had spent lots of money and time training that horse and then the owner said thanks I’ll now sell the horse for 10 x $X it would hardly be fair.
Oh crap. You guys are making me nervous as hell. I just shipped my best mare out on a Training Lease for 3 months with an option to buy at the end of it. I have received no money. But the lessee did pay for full insurance coverage on the mare (in my name), shipping (my shipper), vet check including x-rays, board and full training will be paid. We have a contract but I neglected to put in a buy-back option for the future. I really had to trust this woman because I shipped her a very nice mare and a $400 bridle…I really hope I made the right decision. She really doesn’t seem like a LEA. =8-O
This poor animal…I sure hope he finds some peace in his life soon. He looks as if he’d make a heck of a horse for a novice rider (over 2yrs old)!
So I can assume that, if I buy, I’m perfectly reasonable to ask up front for a 30-day just in case if we’re wrong for each other? I’m an intermediate rider and know my limits–and dread the idea of being stuck w/a more extreme case of Drama King/Queen, esp. when I hear these stories of psychos drugged out of their gourds.
BTW, regarding asshattery: I enjoyed the image on the link; lemme introduce you to a little something from one of my Favorite Artists:
http://www.towson.edu/heartfield/images/
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“Oh and she was in need of an upgrade when we got her, and now she’s a lifer. A client told me recently we should sell her. ‘All you do is feed her.’”
My first horse was a 24 year old abused ex ranch horse. He had arthritis and a heart murmur but I rode him slow and loved every minute of it – I used to board at a snobby show stable, because it was affordable and close by. All anyone ever did was tell me he should be put down because he was “so worthless that I could only walk him”. He was eventually killed by an idiotic vet who should in no way be in the medical field if she cannot distinguish an abscessed foot from colic (seriously), but I never regret just taking it slow with him, it was the best years of my life with him and he was a great first horse, I don’t understand people who think good old kids horses can be worthless.
“Oh the stories I could tell of people who have called me after the fact to try and salvage their horse or ask for advice as to what to do with their crazed horse and would I buy it. The child safe, bomb proof, kid’s horse they just bought for a ton of money and the drugs wore off a day later, and is now ripping the place apart.
It never ceases to amaze me the evil things people will do to sell a horse to a family that just wants a nice quiet horse.< <
That happened to me when I was 19. Not that I needed a deadhead, but when the drugs wore off, this mare went from normal TB to totally insane bolter.”
I also had this happen to me.. was looking for a beginner friendly horse (not a fan of mares but she sounded nice enough). Yeah.. turned out her pharmacist owner had her all drugged up, drugs wore off, devil came out, needless to say she was back for sale immediately, and correctly advertised. A OTTB owner purchased her to keep her TB’s company.
This type of thing is why I am so hesitant to buy a horse from an auction. There is a local weekly auction about 15 minutes from where I live, and some of the saddest horses you’ll see go through there. I always have thought that I would love to “save” one of the sad-eyed horses, but I don’t have the extra money available to take the gamble and end up with a bad deal. I would hate to purchase a sad-eyed, mellow horse only to feed it and then be in possession of the devil-itself. I have no room in my life (with the other horses and children) for a monster, and I would then have a problem selling it. My heart says “Save ‘em”, my head says “Be smart!”
I was thinking that when I bought my mare 16 years ago, the seller put a “first right of refusal” clause in there. Not that I’m thinking of selling her, she is NOT going anywhere – but I do wonder what he would say if I managed to find him and said – Hey, here she is! LOL.