Jeez, it’s just like people, nothing to offer but gets everybody pregnant on the first try!
Dec 18 2007
Our Craigslist winner of the day…
Thoroughbred Stallion!!!!!!!!!!! – $1500
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Reply to: sale-490595161@craigslist.org
Date: 2007-11-26, 11:07PM EST
9 yr old Stallion!!!! Beautiful conformation. Current on all shots and coggins. Dark Bay in color. Will need experianced handler as he is VERY SPIRITED. Crosses well with drafts. Has sired roans, bays, and chestnuts. Knows his job and gets it done. 99% conception on first try. Papers are available.
All I have to say is, what a cute, cute gelding he will make if someone chops off his balls, gives him a few months to get the hormones out of his system and then teaches him some manners. Right now he’s a rank sonovabitch who apparently doesn’t know how to do anything but have sex. Great. I bet he’s fun to handle for breeding. I can just imagine!
Again, there is no such thing as a $1500 stallion. If that’s what it’s worth, that right there is a tip it should be a gelding. Is this thing even broke? Sounds like they are scared shitless of him!
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Oops! that should be floosie.
Of course he’s the sire’s ‘own’ son he could hardly be someone else’s could he.
‘Own son’ is a stock horse thing. IIRC, it’s to separate horses that are actually by big-name stud and horses who just have big-name stud in their pedigree.
But I’m probably wrong.
Nightmare said…
He is ‘own son’ to…. and ‘full sister’ to…
I wish they’d get that right , it should be ‘By’ ?? and ‘own’ sister to.
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Of course he’s the sire’s ‘own’ son he could hardly be someone else’s could he.
Unless the Dam was a loose floosey of course
“Own son” usually means he was bred by the farm that bred/owns his sire, and is a product of that type of breeding program, IIRC. When used properly, this can connotate that both the mare and stud were chosen by that kind of breeding program for that kind of use, which can bring the price up for well-known breeders. All three brains involved in his creation were working together for what you’re looking for. An own son of a Babcock Ranch stud might be worth more than the same stud bred to an outside mare.
“Full sibling” means sire and dam were the same for both foals. If it was a good nick, you would want that same exact cross again, not a cheaper brother to that stallion or a dam by the same sire and a different dam. You’re looking at another product of that cross that may mature similarly and have similar athletic abilities, which may make that horse worth more as a youngster than if he did not have an older quality sibling.
Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong or confusing.
Here is another stud who would be a better gelding:
http://www.stallionsnow.com/stallion-ad-39107
L got it right!
To prove his/her point, look at Smart Chic Olena vs his full brother Arc Matt O Lena… the difference can also be seen in stud fees: $25,000 for Chic, $2,000 for Matt.
Chic is a $9 million+ sire and has over $110k in earnings, Matt isn’t a million dollar sire and has about $32k in earnings.
brrlracinapp said…
Here is another stud who would be a better gelding:
http://www.stallionsnow.com/stallion-ad-39107
Eww eww eww!! Brain bleach, please!
Yeah…he’s too classy to be Federline. Same specialty though…
MIL said…
Only $150,000 for this one!
http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1135462
December 18, 2007 11:59 AM
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LOL! I love how in his “Horse Skills or Potential” section, it lists “Warmblood.” Like that automatically makes him some kind of wonder horse.
About pasture bred stallions and manners. I only know one stallion that is pasture bred and he gets bred maybe once a year, isn’t worked otherwise and only has access to that mare for that week or so that she is in season. Otherwise he is isolated. So it isn’t exactly easy to halter and hold him until you can let the mare loose in his (oversized)paddock. For the record he’s a paint and when he is worked with regularly, he’s a pretty good boy. He’s probably 11 and would have made a super gelding but I just can’t seem to get through to his owners.
I just heard that the owners can’t really afford him anymore and are looking to give him to a family with 2 small kids and green parents who have 2, 25 year old geldings. (head desk)
Did I mention that I hate people?
Hmmm…Idon’t think so. More like Geld Me!!!
http://www.stallionsnow.com/stallion-ad-60506
brrlracinapp said…
Here is another stud who would be a better gelding:
http://www.stallionsnow.com/stallion-ad-39107
It gives the birthdate as 2007 that sure doesn’t look like a weanling to me, and you can book him for 2008, that would make him a yearling? Or am I reading that wrong?
Kay said…
brrlracinapp said…
Here is another stud who would be a better gelding:
http://www.stallionsnow.com/stallion-ad-39107
It gives the birthdate as 2007 that sure doesn’t look like a weanling to me, and you can book him for 2008, that would make him a yearling? Or am I reading that wrong?
December 18, 2007 6:19 PM
The ad also states that “‘Leo’ throws big beautiful babies with lots of sense and smarts.” So, did he have babies as a baby?
1. Unproven stud
2. In Halter with small child on him.
3. The child is sitting BACKWARDS
4. Fifteen years old and GREEN
5. And he apparently has, “perfect conformation”
http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1012511
Better news, “Janie” lives near me!
1. Unproven stud
2. In Halter with small child on him.
3. The child is sitting BACKWARDS
4. Fifteen years old and GREEN
5. And he apparently has, “perfect conformation”
And his first foal was *running* after just two days. Guess that makes my gelding a SUPAH STAR as he was running at mere HOURS old. I know, I had to chase his fuzzy butt down and get him back in his stall with his dam (he wanted to explore everything and try to open stuff – thank goodness for enclosed, controlled environments
).
Wow bloggers you guys are digging up some FUGLY stallions, here is my contribution…
http://dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1120055
Also, he has a “pretty head”.
I think the woman might have poor vision along with her low IQ, seeing as conformation is purposely spelled, “confirmation” more than once.
Here is another stallion that shouldn’t be!
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/grd/510333645.html
izzie90-
I give her some credit, she is open to him being a gelding. I’m not sure why she doesn’t just do it herself.
The ad also states that “‘Leo’ throws big beautiful babies with lots of sense and smarts.” So, did he have babies as a baby?
He would have had to have sired babies before he was born. Now that is a trick.
izzie90, you WIN hands down. You managed to find the UGLIEST horse for today!
Cj-
Super built! Is that like superman?
And it looks like he’s already trying to escape and possibly upgrade himself.
i’m late to this, but heck, SOME of us pretend we have lives outside of FHOTD ;0)
you guys have it all wrong on the “haulter” broke horse. that’s actually what happens when you have a few too many beers and forget you tied your horse to the trailer…
MIL, if you follow the link to the farm where that 150,000 horse is, you will see some nice horses. While I agree that the price is very- ahem- high, I don’t think anything there can be called fugly.
And there’s one foal that SCREAMS ‘quality’ of the type we were all trying to pin down earlier.
And, I meant sired. I know stallions don’t “have” babies.
That would be an even better trick.
This is one STRONG mini stallion!!!
http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1053363
A stud with a star sire. But the son should have been gelded.
Hollywood Blew It by Hollywood Dun It
http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1136794
Beckee said…
“I give her some credit, she is open to him being a gelding. I’m not sure why she doesn’t just do it herself.”
There is hope!I pray she does get him gelded.Although she still thinks he is something special between his “very nice conformation” or his “stiking color.”
brrla…. said “It gives the birthdate as 2007 that sure doesn’t look like a weanling to me, and you can book him for 2008, that would make him a yearling? Or am I reading that wrong?”
Just for shits and giggles I went to All Bred Pedigree’s and search that last Stallion…. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/king+leo+meyers
his a 1993 model…
His topline makes me wanna vomit!!!!
Kristen said: “And there’s one foal that SCREAMS ‘quality’ of the type we were all trying to pin down earlier.”
I do not know anything about warmbloods and I do not like Kitten on this website but I think you were talking about Casimir.
He is an example of what I said true quality is, a horse that ANYONE will say WOW over.
http://www.curreyhorses.com/casimir
http://columbia.craigslist.org/grd/499368359.html
Craigslist has someone in SC looking for a pensioner to hang out with their other horse. I don’t know these people and I don’t usually post, but I thought I’d pass it along.
Anybody see anything wrong with what this stallion is getting away with? Is he just “spirited”?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H25t6mYpf88&feature=related#
Casimir is definitely lovely. Looks like he has great movement.
Hey FHOTD, I was just reading a post over on live journal, equestrian gal just put up some more pictures of horses just brought in to Shilo Horse Rescue and there is one really pretty eleven year old TB mare. At least I think she is pretty.
The second picture from the last.
http://tinyurl.com/3atmmn
Holy Cow, does anyone know who these people are? I counted 48 horses for sale in which there are 5 stallions and 5 ungelded colts,along with multiple pregnant mares!Most look like they could use more feed.
http://www.equinenow.com/
farm/L_&_M_Gaiteds.htm
OT-ish:
Does anyone remember this breeder, Double K Stud from Australia being featured or brought up in the comments anytime in the semi-recent past?
Did someone named “Marley” post on the guestbook (now deleted)?
Post here or e-mail me I guess if you remember something. Thanks Fug-Heads!
PS the site has been overhauled, so it looks totally different (I assume- long story but I don’t recognize the new layout at all). You’d have to remember the farm name, URL, physical location or something besides the look of the site… sorry.
**Blogger sarcastabitch said…
Does this look right?
Huh? **
They’re calling that a pony, but to me it looks more like a miniature horse — look at the proportions of the legs to the body. If it is a mini, no way it should be ridden by that kid.
just remember, boys and girls.. no matter how many typos you make… you will NEVER top my WARMBRED!
This TB looks like something that would have been a typical project horse in the barn where I used to ride. The girls there used to take in a lot of crazy TBs. They did amazing things with them. He looks like he could be lovely someday! I hope he finds a good home…and I hope the SOBs who own him are a bit flexible on the price, for his sake.
Here are some fun ones…
$500 stud -
http://www.kypetads.com/detail.php?id=3410
or..
The $200 ewe necked stud colt – heck will even trade for a pom or shih Tzu
http://www.kypetads.com/detail.php?id=3215
nest anyone?
http://www.equinenow.com/
horse-ad-58528
OMG
http://www.equinenow.com/
horse-ad-55581
i pity this poor horse.
OH SHIT! its our old friends at Thunder bay ranch!
read this one (if you can)
http://www.equinenow.com/
horse-ad-45320
Ahahahah!!! WTF?
http://www.equinenow.com/
horse-ad-42056
wow
http://www.equinenow.com/
horse-ad-49964
http://www.equinenow.com/
horse-ad-34957
last one… and they have a million for sale! cant tell an awful lot about teh stud… but read the ad!
Crunchberry said:
“wow
http://www.equinenow.com/
horse-ad-49964″
Dang it! crunchberry I thought we already had a winner in the hideous stallion race today but you may have just pulled ahead with that one!
http://sunrae.com/haashorsefarm/
stal.html
*gasp* Check out that bay stallion’s top line!
Oh, man, why is this three-year-old Saddlebred still a stallion?
http://dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?
form_horse_id=1103544
“Very nice horse. Has nerve problem in his hindend. Had vet out a few times and no one can pinpoint whats wrong. Has balance issues so is not suitable for riding at this time. tested negative for epm. Needs loving home that can give him a wonderful life.”
Yes, folks, and for $100 you can have this poor guy, with all his problems thrown in at no extra charge.
Saskia said -*gasp* Check out that bay stallion’s top line!
Whoa – now I know why western horse wear those huge saddle blankets
OK, out of all the BYB stallions you guys dug up so far, that Destiny is the worst.
With respect to the Grulla, I don’t exactly see his faults (shoulder looks good, hip looks good, and so on) I don’t see him as icky except that he’s not trained, not muscled, and was breeding wildly at that farm. It’s not a movement shot, so I cannot compare him to the TB on the main page to say what kind of presence he has. But, I thought FUGLY meant f-in ugly, and I don’t see that in this case.
brrlracinapp:
OH my! Where’s the front end on that Hollywood Dun It son? Now, that’s a FUGLY QH stallion, that neck is disgusting. Or is that a 2 year old their breeding to their mares? (Did they freeze Hollywood Dun It’s semen to have for years to come? As I recall he died last year or something?)
Saskia:
I spent some of yesterday looking at a the pedigree page of a world champion horse. He was downhill, and his offpspring are downhill and being shown. Not only are the offspring downhill like that, but they’re sickle-hocked as well. If you look at this horses pedigree (and the owner’s proudly display pictures of the ancestors of their horse) you have to go back to grandparents and greatgrandparents to get a decent top-line. You see in each generation where it all starts to go wrong, and they are famous horses.
This is why I say that inspections are important. Even at the top-end competition level AHQA judges go with trend rather than correct conformation.
I hate to do this, as I don’t want to rip these people. Basically, my complaint has nothing to do with them, rather what the AQHA and the competition ring are promoting:
http://www.encoressecret.com/Encore.htm
Again, nothing against these folks or their stallion. Rather, trends in competition showing and breeding.
First thought when I saw this guy, before reading fugly’s comments, is how nice he’d be as a riding horse (gelded, *snip-snip!*) – He’d definitely draw compliments whether riding in the arena or hacking out on the trails. Sadly it sounds as though he’s bred anything and everything possible, and if handled by BYB’s, he probably has no concept of manners. At age 9. I’d take him on and give him a go as far as the training part goes – but someone else would need to buy and house him, since our board goes up at the beginning fo the year.
CURIOUS QUESTION: As every breed is different, and we have a huge variation in breeds representend o this blog, what is the general range for a solid quality (“name-brand”) stallion’s stud fee in your specific breeds?
marzbarz:
Studfee for a inspected (gekoert) and approved Curly stallion: 750 Euros.
Foals go for 5500-6500 Euros.
One-Two year olds 6500-8000
Horses under saddle 8500-12,000
Approved and shown stallions: 15,000 and up.
Btw, I got to that Encore site doing a search for Hank Wiescamp.
HeatherAQHA said…
OT-ish:
Does anyone remember this breeder, Double K Stud from Australia being featured or brought up in the comments anytime in the semi-recent past?
Did someone named “Marley” post on the guestbook (now deleted)?
Hey Heather, I don’t recognize the name of that ranch, but I’m Marley… did I flame them or something? You have a better memory than I do!
Sorry, I was going to make that last post the last one. But, this will be it as I “gotta” stop reading this site for today and get some work done.
Here’s the site that I actually got to first. In it you see a comparison of a Wiescamp horse and their stallion. What strikes me most is the difference in the shoulder muscling, the height of the wither and the neck connection and angle, curvatures, and the overall balance of the Wiescamp horse and their descendent.
Now, look at the first row of pictures for the dams in their horse’s pedigree. Look at the neck, shoulder, wither and front end. One image is just the dam as the foal, you cannot make much comparison there. And, then you can see exactly why their horse’s front end has the form it does.
Whether this is desireable in the AQHA competitions, I haven’t a clue as I don’t participate in them and cannot say what the judge’s want these days. But, I can see a huge difference in the Wiescamp horse and their horse.
The link:
http://www.encoressecret.com/wiescamp.htm
OK, I’m off to work my horses.
Blogger Amber said…
Of course he’s the sire’s ‘own’ son he could hardly be someone else’s could he.
‘Own son’ is a stock horse thing. IIRC, it’s to separate horses that are actually by big-name stud and horses who just have big-name stud in their pedigree.
But I’m probably wrong.
Actually, you’re 100% correct. The word “own” in front of son or daughter is a sales tactic, to make the horse seem so much better to a prospective buyer or mare owner.
Terminology, such as “own son of”, “half-sister”, “by” and “out of”, etc. were discussed on FHOTD here:
http://tinyurl.com/2fcxxg
marzbarz said…
“CURIOUS QUESTION: what is the general range for a solid quality (“name-brand”) stallion’s stud fee in your specific breeds?”
Great question…you can breed to a very nice TWH stallion with a good to excellent show record for under $1000, many, many in the 6-750 range.
While I love a bargain as much as the next person, this is why I wish they would limit the stud books at least for awhile and raise the fees.
It’s exponential…too many people get decent colt, perhaps with color as a bonus, and then leave him intact because he’s the direct son of a champion.
Just found this on the BBC news site:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7150251.stm
I saw this ad and thought it was pretty funny. I guess her husband told her it was him or the horses.
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-59734
lvponies said…
I saw this ad and thought it was pretty funny. I guess her husband told her it was him or the horses.
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-59734
December 19, 2007 6:47 AM
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Too funny. I know what my answer would be if hubby said “it’s me or the horses”. LOL (Luckily I know he would never say that so I won’t be put to the test.)
K said…
Just found this on the BBC news site:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7150251.stm
Correlation =/= causation. It’s also possible that the owners who can afford to pay more also can better pick out the quality horse? Honestly, you’d have a better shot a getting a quality foal – irregardless of the stallion – at Keeneland than you would in Hicksville, North Dakota, and where do you think people with money go? I don’t know, I’d need to read that paper in Biology Letters before I’d buy their theories.
Now genetics having little to do with it, I’m not surprised. Of course without solid bone & muscle structure they wouldn’t get far but there are so many other variables once that foal is on the ground. I don’t care if you have an AP Indy x Seattle Slew foal, if you treat it like some of the asshats we see around here, it’s not going to get far. Besides, how many *human* world-class athletes have children who are also world-class athletes and why should horses be any different?
This was a huge story here when it happened, in part because many of us didn’t know such a thing existed.
HYBERBARIC
Yes, That was a tragedy that rocked our horse community here. People were saddened and shocked in every discipline…not just the gamers.
The Cameron family are strong competitors and supporters of our local Gymkhana events.
They lost some lovely horses, and I will be the first to admit that I have NO idea what someone would need one of those contraptions for. It is too hi tech for my old fashioned mind.
OT Request – Anyone have a hunter prospect for sale? Here is the lady’s requirements:
“The person that showed me the Canter horse was wonderful and let me come back 4 times. By the second time I was ready to purchase the horse but after two more rides I realized that an OTTB wasnt the right horse for me. I am 45 and a decent rider but it would be a lot of work for me. I saw a Julie Goodnight show on Horse TV and she talked about how so many people get into horses and dont get the appropriate horse. And then they feel that they must fix the horse and keep it for life. (Kinda what I got now-only he just cant hold up to what i want to do) She also said so many get hurt and leave the horsey world. She made me realize that I have to find an appropriate horse for what I want to do – I need a horse around 16 hands with a mild temperment(most important)-that can do local B rated Hunter shows (so half way decent mover and can jump to 2’9′) ride in a lesson once a week-and go out on a trail alone or with a friend. Is it out there for under 10k or am I being crazy? I am not hung up on any breed just a horse like the above. “
If anyone has something to suit this lady, let me know and I will hook you guys up. This is in MD, but I know she would travel a bit.
“Shadow Rider…
If anyone has something to suit this lady, let me know and I will hook you guys up. This is in MD, but I know she would travel a bit.”
Too bad she is in MD!! I have a Thoroughbred mare for sale for $8500 right now. Lead changes, W/T/C both ways, Can jump 3’3″, Fancy enough for the A circuit, and pretty much a WB mind in a TB body. She’s only 6 but she is mature and extremely willing to please. If only she and I were a bit closer!
Ok, so all of these links made me go look…
This makes me just… angry, in so many different ways.
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/grd/512250399.html
You want to see some ugly stallions?
Here’s a good place to go find ‘em.
They’re not ALL ugly, but pretty darn close to it.
http://tinyurl.com/yrtcog
Shadow Rider,
http://www.magicvalleyhorses.com They have an 11 yr old gelding that might work. I have been around this horse and he is a good boy with a mellow attitude. There is video of him on youtube too under MagicValleyHorses.
He might be willing to lower his $8900 price because he has too many horses right now and can’t get them sold.
Shadow Rider,
Duh me, sorry I forgot to put the geldings name down. Counsels Pleasure is his name.
>>But what I find funny is that when a person allows his/her stallion to be a regular horse, people are shocked! I have heard so many times, “What do you mean he lives with other horses?!?!” < <
You know, the other night I decided to clean up a muddy coming three year old 16.2 hand stallion who is turned out daily with other stallions and geldings. I did not bother with a halter. I merely went into his stall and brushed him from head to toe. He did not move ONCE, except to put his head down and blow in my ear as I was working on his lower legs. He has not seriously been worked with since last winter – we’ve been letting him grow up. While I have to credit his bloodlines for some of his good disposition (I could do the same with both his sire and dam), I also credit the fact that he gets appropriate playtime with other horses, so that he comes in tired at night and is not antsy and crazy and nippy when I want to do something with him. Rank stallions are absolutely created by bad management. Turning them out is not going to kill them and if they’re too nasty to turn out with others, GELD THEM. (But also – don’t overreact to play fighting. This is a normal part of their social development, and the odds of anybody really getting hurt are slim.)
He would look cute jumping a little hunter course or something. But hey his boys swim so he needs to be bred! Good Lord.
Here is a fabulous two-for-one on stallions at stud. Just lovely aren’t they? (BTW – that’s supposed to be sarcasm)
whoops. I forgot to post the link. Sorry about that.
http://www.unityfarmsinc.com/home.html
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/grd/513158405.html
eww!
artdoc:
I didn’t find the two stallions for sale? I saw a nice grey gelding I liked though. At least they all have trimmed feet and a good weight in comparison to most of the posted links here?
This FHOTD thing is addictive, isn’t it? Oh brother.
Question… who sold this horse to the people now selling it? Did they sell it as a gelding to a good pleasure home? Or did they set him up to this end? Anyone that insists on breeding and then sells their colts intact are just as guilty of asshattery as these people are. Nobody who breeds horses on this blog or anywhere else has any place to complain abou this colt being intact in my opinion. Heck if it were more reasonably priced and safer, I’d be all for spaying mares as well.
WHOA! this family tree is a wreath!
http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse
.php?form_horse_id=1069776
spiritofhopefarm:
It depends on the region you are discussing. Here, EU, no one gelds a horse before they are 2-3 years old. It’s tradition, because no one wants to go into a dressage arena without a horse that has a little bit of a cresty neck and some umph. The solutions, weanlings are cropped together, two year olds are sent to the two-year-old pasture. Three year olds sent to the trainer. Horses are generally gelded at 2 years of age, anything younger than that is sold intact, with the conception that the buyers have half-a-brain.
So…who is responsible, the seller or the owner who bought the colt in the first place? I’m REALLY against people pushing off blame from themselves. If they are the owners of a 9 year old stallion, and cannot handle him, they can do a couple of things.
Educate themselves on training and handling a stallion.
Get the vet out, drive him in a shoot, give him a shot and wack the gonads out.
Sell him to someone who will do this for him.
The sellers, in the States, certainly have ALOT to answer for, but pushing total responsiblity onto the sellers is part of the same problem…lack of responsibiliy in general.
marzbarz/Marley- e-mail me if you would, re: that site. Basically, owner “suddenly” found comments from lord knows how long ago (it had to have been a few months, I swear) and is demanding why I thought her horses were fugly. The webpage is gone, and the two pics she sent to “jog my memory” I have never seen before- they are obviously horses that I wasn’t talking about, or taken from a different angle or something, but I don’t recognize them at all.
The wreath/family tree halter horse- ummm I think he is his own brother or something. Sheesh! His parents are more than 3/4 siblings- look at the All Breed Pedigree site on him.
Excuse me, re-reading my post, I am not saying that WE HERE don’t have problems of the same sort. Irresponsibility in the horse world is omnipresent. Also in the EU, so please don’t take my comment as a “holier than thou” statement, as nothing is exempt from this trend.
spiritofhopefarm said: “Anyone that insists on breeding and then sells their colts intact are just as guilty of asshattery as these people are.”
I absolutely agree 100%. I will not sell an intact colt without a gelding contract unless I think it is stallion material and I price it accordingly. This is also another reason I do not like to breed outside mares. Every yahoo that gets a colt thinks they are going to have a stallion. It is not about competition for breeding but about maintainang quality.
Blogger HeatherAQHA said…
The wreath/family tree halter horse- ummm I think he is his own brother or something. Sheesh! His parents are more than 3/4 siblings- look at the All Breed Pedigree site on him.
December 19, 2007 11:22 AM
hahahaha! i knew i heard banjo music!
Now…here’s banjo music
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrlqQ1_vZVE
athena –
I agree, this horrible person deserves special comment. Sounds like s/he is trying to blackmail some kind hearted person into BUYING their lame horse or so it won’t go to a killer buyer. Not to mention the rest of the idiot ad. Both stupid and cruel.
Reply to: sale-512250399@craigslist.org
“I have a 8 year old mare who is lame and cant be rode (because of a tendon deformity in her leg at birth). I bought her as brood mare she has had babies but i personally dont feel comfotable breeding her (my vet advised me not to). im looking fo someone to “rescue” her. i know that there are people that go to the livestock auctions to save horses from slaughter. SHE IS A GREAT HORSE AND HATE TO SEE HER GO if i cant sell her on here i will be forced to take her to the auction. a low $150 rehoming fee applies to ensure she is going to a good home. 623-293-1993â€
austriancurls,
sorry. I just realized my post was kind of confusing. The two stallions are standing at stud. An arab and a TB – neither of them steelar examples of their breeds.
spiritofhopefarm wrote: Nobody who breeds horses on this blog or anywhere else has any place to complain abou this colt being intact in my opinion. Heck if it were more reasonably priced and safer, I’d be all for spaying mares as well.
I am in dogs, where spay/neuter is low cost compared to horses and is widely touted as “The Answer” to the homeless dog problem. I’ve done my time in rescue and am (in theory) not doing rescue anymore, due to lack of resources. I’ve also volunteered at a municipal shelter, spent my time riding the truck picking up “dead on road” animals and holding animals for a last shot. No one needs to tell me what happens to homeless animals because I’ve been there, seen that.
And yet, I am increasingly doubtful that spay/neuter really is “The Answer.” Part of my doubt is from the fact that there are countries where spay/neuter is usually only done for medical reasons and they have very few problems with homeless dogs (for instance, Sweden).
Part of my doubt is the increasing body of research that indicates that for every good reason to alter, there’s an equally good reason to leave intact.
Dog Spay/Neuter
I’ve had two altered dogs die of cancers associated with altering, so I’m a bit wary of it now.
I currently have two intact males and one intact bitch. No, I’m not planning to breed and have never had an unplanned litter. I’m a responsible dog owner, so I train my dogs, I separate them when there’s a chance of pregnancy and I don’t leave my dogs outdoors unsupervised.
I’m beginning to think that even though spay/neuter seems like a quick answer, it’s probably not “The Answer” that people concerned about homeless dogs wants.
I think that “The Answer” is probably what keeps my intact animals from producing unwanted litters: I’m a responsible owner.
It is true that spay/neutered dogs don’t reproduce. But just owning an altered dog does not make a person into a responsible owner. It doesn’t make them train their dog, supervise them carefully, get them regular vet care, appropriate shelter, proper nutrition, etc.
There are plenty of geldings out there that lack the equine equivalent of the same things.