Child broke 2 year old filly!
Dec 16 2007
One of my readers sent me this one, and although I frequently feel like I have seen it all, I am appalled anew. Dear Lord, this poor filly. I certainly would like to hear that she’s been upgraded before she is ruined completely.
“2 year old paint filly. Currently 14.3 hands, should mature 16+ hands. She is as broke as they come for a 2 year old. Children rode her bareback, double and triple. She is also broke to saddle. Absolutely loves people. she has a super mouth. Very agreeable to anything asked. will stand for hours tied. goes when asked, stops when asked. doesn’t anticipate anything. her name says it all. Get her now and make her what you want. $1,500.00 make an offer.”
First thought: Dear God, you didn’t get on herself, did you, you fat, ignorant, old coot? Aaaaaaggggggghhhhhhhh…YOU should have to carry the FILLY, your torso is bigger than hers!
Second thought: SHE IS NOT GOING TO MATURE 16 HANDS. She is no more going to mature 16 hands than I am going to win the lottery and retire early. Wishing doesn’t make it so, trust me!
Third thought: TRIPLE? TRIPLE? YOU LET THREE KIDS GET ON THIS POOR, SAD LITTLE FILLY????????
Fourth thought: Who thought it was a good idea to breed this filly??? Poor little thing, no hip, upside down neck, no muscling…
Fifth thought: You have her advertised as a FOXHUNTING prospect? She is as much a foxhunting prospect as I am a candidate for America’s Next Top Model!
I wonder if there are more where she came from? Well of course there are!
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Never Ben Better said…
:smack:
And I read farther down the thread, and discover that FTFOTB had defined “nest” already.
never mind………………..
FHOTD invented the term, I think. Neck + chest = Nest.
Ah! No wonder I couldn’t find it on a conventional equine conformation site.
Thanks for enlightening me.
Never Ben Better said…
Ah! No wonder I couldn’t find it on a conventional equine conformation site.
Thanks for enlightening me.
You’re welcome. I just assumed that everyone is as addicted to FHOTD as I am, and had read every post since day one. LOL.
There’s no way that filly is 14.3 unless that guy is either 7 feet tall or he mistook her ears for her withers. Though maybe it’s just an old picture? I sure hope she’s not that small at 2 years, and has been ridden that extensively…
Well, YEAH, sweetzippinchip, it was probably Deneze, the fucking wonder-vet!
Hmmm horses4me…I wonder if the guy has any legal right to take the horse back. Did he sign papers indicating that he wanted first right of refusal for the horse if it didn’t work out for the theraputic riding center? If not, I think that the TRC would own the horse right-out, and could do w/ it as they chose when it didn’t work out. They gave it to you. Do you have any transfer papers, brand inspection, anything that indicates your ownership of it?
I’d say look into those things first before you give the horse back.
Never Ben Better-
This ain’t wunna yer standerd e-kwine confermashun saights. Ya’ll needta lurn ya sum terms ta git around these here parts.
nest- neck + chest, a la “cankles”
fugly- fucking + ugly
BYB- backyard breeder; aka “idyit”
breeding quality (BYB-style)- any ungelded equine, especially if spotted, buckskin, palomino, dun, grullo/a, blue eyed, hairy, and/or approved by members of Horsetopia.com.
breeding quality (FHOTD-style)- purebred, registered, trained, shown/proven, conformationally superior, sound, physically mature, and sane, and in the top 5% of all horses matching these characteristics.
I think the horse in Horses4Me’s story was donated to the therapy people, then returned to the asshat, then “donated” to her and the daughter. It didn’t go straight from the center to Horses4Me… at least the way I read that.
That’s awful- I remember being 11, and if someone took away my horse under those circumstances, I would have been inconsolably devastated for a looooong time… not that you aren’t already, but FIGHT for your daughter H4M! She doesn’t deserve people like that to interfere with her dreams…
After a hiatus from posting, I am back, and loving it! A common response in many FHOTD threads is how can people “make money” or afford to keep these horses when they are all so cheacp (as l stated at the top of this discussion). It’s actually pretty easy, and I recommend all who are looking to make a profit in this business follow suit:
1. Search your local Craigslist, paying attention to keywords such as “exclent broodmare,” “sire perspect,” and “purfect confirmation.”
2. Go to an auction barn, preferably a weekly low-end sale. Look for the guy who pulled in with a double decker – when his eyes light up, that is your next super sire or super broodmare.
3. When said mare(s) is/are acquired, any fencing will do. The less reliable the better, to allow the neighbor’s prize walkpintloosorgan to attend to your prized mare’s every need. Also allows her to go out and select her own mate. If suitable fencing is already in place, look again through Craigslist – it is the ultimate horse breeder’s dream store. Look for words like “homogenus/homazigus” (means purdy babies).
4. Don’t worry about “ferrier work, vacanations, vetinary or dental care.” This provides ULTIMATE savings.
5. Find a big lot or yard or the criters. Don’t worry if the grass disappears, since it should return next year. If not, horses are excellent scavengers and can dig up roots and eat leaves and bark. Wild horses do it and they’re okay.
6. Place broken down vehicles, appliances and any other large, rusted out objects in with the horses. Serves several purposes including shielding them from the authorities, providing mineral lick (iron oxide, right?!?), and something for the critters to rub and bite on, rather than the trailer.
7. Don’t waste time or money training. Babies are meant to grow up naturally, anyways. Except, of course, for the inaugural ride at 11 months, when they can pack the family atound. Most buyers would prefer a 12-yr old stallion anyways, since they can train it their own way AND have the bonus of reproductive capability.
8. If it has a uterus, fill it; If it has testicles, use ‘em!
9. If all else fails, visit this blog, look up the subjects of the posts, and contact for their own, special secrets.
Lynne a.k.a Morab76 in previous threads
Su Valley said:
“I can’t think of any part of this youngster that could qualify as a warmblood??”
Sure Su, he has blood that is likely 100 degrees. That is pretty warm, so hell yeah he is a warm blood.
Hoodsey,
Don’t let the “sold” horses mislead you. Many folks from the bottom of the barrel on up either 1. make up sold horse to place within the ranks of horses for sale, 2. keep sold ads up for an extended period of time, or 3. create a sold ad (or ads) based on a horse they still own and don’t desire to sell. It is believed to make the horses from that breeder/seller more desirable. Of course, this isn’t a blanket statement and doesn’t mean everyone who leaves a sold ad up is doing this. It’s just experience and seeing the crap BYBs in this area do.
krisP-Sorry to hear about the Lepto. I sincerely hope your horses come through it.
Horses4me-What an asshat that guy is. If he comes to get the horse bill him for time spent training to discourage him.
Horses4Me – thanks for the background. Isn’t it amazing how you can pick out the asshats just by looking at their horses and reading their ad copy, from 3000 miles away? They are so scarily consistent…
>>”the vet” is an idiot. If you pushed, he’d probably point out sanctimoniously that TBs are broken to saddle at that age — of course, they have 80-100 lb exercise riders up, not his 180-200 lb self.< <
AND THOROUGHBREDS BREAK DOWN ALL THE TIME! Jesus, Mary, Joseph and their donkey, read the Thoroughbred Champions web site…they put up the “in memory” reports on all the poor little racehorses who shatter something unfixable and are euthanized.
Riding yearlings is just plain, flat out STUPID and SELFISH. It has to do with getting a fast return on your “investment,” not the horse’s well being. There is no breed that “matures early.” I have heard every excuse in the book and it’s all bullshit. If you can’t afford to feed one for at least three years before you get to ride and compete with it, don’t buy or breed a baby. It is not that complicated.
Slightly off topic.
)and this has helped me define what it is I like about my mare and other horses and what I don’t.
I would like to thank fugly for this blog. As much as I thought I knew about conformation I have learned even more by just studying the photos you post and reading your comments. I have learned to look for the little details I may not have noticed before or wouldn’t have put a name to. I may not always see what you see but this has been very helpful for me. My mare is not a fugly except for her slightly short neck(they can’t all be perfect
So Thank you fugly! You are appreciated, snarky comments and all.
I just came across this and … wtf?!
http://www.equinehits.com
/horses-for-sale/horse-166111
As opposed to all those horses that DON’T need their hooves trimmed?!
Saskia said…
I just came across this and … wtf?!
http://www.equinehits.com
/horses-for-sale/horse-166111
As opposed to all those horses that DON’T need their hooves trimmed?!
As in they don’t want to spend the money to trim them before they sell her. That’s just pathetic.
kris_p said…
OT but just hoping people would keep us in your thoughts/prayers/whatever – dealing with Lepto on our farm and hoping we don’t lose anyone but right now things aren’t looking good…
More prayers your way. Please keep us posted on how you and yours are doing!
Horses4Me, that is way beyond fucked up! i’m sorry for you, your daughter and especially the poor horse!
Slightly off topic here, but I had to say Thank You- I now know I am not alone out here, trying to get people to leave young horses alone and let them grow. Or to NOT BREED~
I look forward to expanding my education here, and reading along!
It’s funny…I posted a comment to this video
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EwwQc2otCHI
and it won’t show up. I guess you can only comment if it is positive (mine was asking about how they could ride a horse not even 2 and that moved like it was lame)..I suppose they didn’t like that.
HeatherAQHA wrote: That Lazy Loper colt has the same strung-out, hollow backed movement that the overo with the obese rider from the other day had; granted the degree is much less. He is beautifully fitted for the video but looks like he just can’t bring up his back and carry that rider at his age… pretty sad.
Not too surprising. According to Dr Deb Bennett, starting horses under saddle before four years old results in spinal damage that makes it impossible for the horse to “round up” or collect properly.
Her recommendation is not to put any weight on a horse’s back until they are three years of age. At three years old, restrict that weight to a lightweight person crawling on and off the horse at a stand, just to get the horse used to the concept.
Then at four, start the horse under saddle.
I’m thinking it’s not a coincidence that the Spanish Riding School doesn’t start their horses under saddle until four years old. Their explanation (according to Alois Podhajsky) was that the Lippizanner is unusually slow maturing.
Dr Deb Bennett would say that all breeds of horse physically mature at roughly the same speed. If your goal is to end up with a horse that can collect and correctly perform the airs above the ground, that means waiting until the horse is four to start riding them.
And even at that, the spine still isn’t completely finished growing. The last growth plates in the spine don’t close until the horse is five and a half to seven years old.
Skeletal Maturity
The website of the farm advertising the Warm Blood baby for sale is:
http://www.freewebs.com/ashwoodfarms/
Hey Lauren…I now know what you meant when I said “the roads are crap” and you said, “Oh, I know” hahaha Poor thing…hope you’re enjoying your vacation so far
Gonna echo charlienchico here. That horse is no longer his to take back for free. You did not take the horse on with the understanding that you were to train and board it for any undisclosed amount of time and he could take it back whenever he wants, did you? I doubt it. Be firm! Demand a fair price for what you have put into the poor little horse.
Yes, I had to beg the plow driver to help get the Jetta and my colleague’s A3 unstuck. We were literally going nowhere. Not cool.
btw… Horses4Me, I agree with the other comments on here. What a crappy situation. Have a bill all ready to go for him and have it include all of your lessons, all of your feed, all of the hours of work both you and your daughter have out into the horse at a nice rate (like $25/hr or something), and see what happens. Tell him that this is the result of him not having the “donation” documented in the first place. I am sure he’ll blow up and it’ll be a difficult situation. I’m sure it depends on the state you’re in, but there might be language from a law you can dig up regarding the finality of a donation of that type.
I havent read all the comments but I do want to say dont ride young horses!
When I was a kid I took riding lessons from a backyard barn. They had a beautiful gelding who was 5 years old. He was huge almost 17 hands and they started riding him when he was barely 2. They rode him hard too. At 5 he was put out to pasture because the vet said they had damaged his joints. He was to be a pasture potatoe for 2 years and hopefully after that could be ridden again but lightly. They learned their lesson the hard way and they did take the responsibility for it as well.
I have a 2 year old who will be 3 in April. She’s built like a tank. I had her broke in October for a month. Had a 100 lb kid do it. Actually it was an non event the horse never cared. For a horse who hadnt been touched in her life til June when I got her, she’s fantastic. I put the saddle on her the first time and she just said oh ok.. and went back to sleep. I cinched her up and she continued to sleep. She’s still this way. Nothing but the snowblower phases her. LOL Lord knows Ive had to use that snowblower alot lately!
Way too much snow up here in New Hampshire for this early in the season!
Aaaargh!!! And to think, I was a little l334y about having my 16.1 hand 3 year old started by a 5’3″ cowgirl this past May! Gee, guess I shoulda started him the minute I bought him back in Sept. ’06 – I mean, after all, he was nearly 16 hands then! The time I’ve wasted! (NOT) *Icon for shaking head*
“Lynda said…
I havent read all the comments but I do want to say dont ride young horses!”
“I have a 2 year old who will be 3 in April. She’s built like a tank. I had her broke in October for a month. Had a 100 lb kid do it.”
Ummm…..so why aren’t you following your own advice?
I was wondering that myself, Galen…why make that statement about not riding young horses, and then in the next breath contradict it? I mean we’re not talking an extreme breach of that (the horse was just shy of 3 and had a rather light rider on board), but there’s still something off about preaching one thing, and then nonchalantly stating you’ve done the opposite.
(by the way, I used “preach” for lack of a better term. We’re all preaching responsible ownership/training here. I didn’t mean to imply anything negative by using that term)
For those who believe the entire horse market is in the toilet, which I believed until I watched a 2 y/o cutting horse auction on RFDTV Saturday and saw a Peptoboonsmall daughter sell for $247,000 smackers. Lots of colts and fillies sold in the $20,000 to $100,000 range. Of course these were cream of the crop bloodlines, but it restored my faith that quality horses are still in demand. There were some beauties in that auction. Too bad they were only 2 and being worked so hard.
These poor fugly little horses bred by these fucktards make me sad. If he’s selling horses it’s most likely to dealers and most likely they’ll end up on feedlots and fattened up for slaughter.
You know, had the horse been worth something to begin with, I might fight harder for it. Sadly the horse is only 10 yrs old, has heaves, cushing’s, and very poor conformation. We took him as a ‘project’ horse. Something my daughter could work with, learn to retrain, and hopefully compete in intro level dressage. Which he could do! Sadly though, it’s just not feasible to fight him. He’ll get the horse back, has no idea how to ride him, and the horse will be the exact same as when we got him. The horse will revert back to his original training, and end up at the auction.
I’m glad to see the horses he has shown for sale seem in good weight. The same can’t be said for the this horse, nor the mare that he had that was starving, and the therapy center took to put weight on, which ended up foaling a few months later.
This man and his wife are well known within the community. They have money. They buy their way. Politics if you know what I mean. Wish they would spend that money on their horses! I’ve had two vets that just rolled their eyes when his name is mentioned. They all know the crap he does, and the crap his horses have to deal with, but sadly, noone takes him on because he has the money! It’s sickening!
I have 4 rescues aka pasture ornaments of my own now, and honestly I just can’t afford to keep this horse with all it’s problems if I’m going to have to deal with an asshole in the process. We had no plans of sending the horse anywhere until all this came up, but so be it. I’ll devote my time, energy, and money into what I have. My aunt did buy my daughter a horse with excellent conformation, and though he is 5 and green broke, at least he hasn’t learned bad habits, and is easy to train. So we’ll go from there. It sets her showing season back a few months, but in the end, I think she’ll be happier with the new horse, as he is healthy, and hopefully will be one she can have for many years to come.
horsepoor said, “…but it restored my faith that quality horses are still in demand.”
Pretty neat, huh?
I’ve always believed that the exceptional ones always had good value. They’re too rare. It’s the cheap ones that are just too common and don’t have any attributes to bring their value up.
WhispertheWind…I agree. I watched that video and the horse is definately short stepping with the right hind, noticably. As well as being sore looking and rather disjointed appearing overall. And, I’ve seen some really quiet tails in my day, but that horse’s tail (and extension!) never moves…makes me wonder about injections. It’s like has been said, at that age, especially with a rider the size of the man on the poor thing, they just don’t have the strength…poor horse.
Here’s an ad from my neck of the woods, Ontario, Canada. I think this person is seriously on crack! No pictures, must have forgot to add them, I can just imagine! The ad’s headline is “I must sell my precious”Lily is a fantastic two-and-a-half-year-old, half Arab pony. She is seen in the photos not wearing a bridle as she had just had her wolf teeth removed a few days before the pictures were taken. This girl can do it all, and loves it! Lily stands 14.1 hh and is an awesome ride. She is well mannered in her stall and good for hacking out, she has been ridden by several different people and only complimented. She does w/t/c and has started jumping cross-rails fearlessly. She has also jumped some fallen logs out on the trail. She is a responsive and dependant ride. I am selling her with all of her tack, her grooming box, polo wraps, feed and water buckets, as well as her winter blanket. So she will make an excellent first horse for anyone from young riders to experienced ladies. I would like to see her go into the show ring and show everyone how it is done. I must sell her as I am heading to University and cannot afford to take my precious pony with me. Asking $5000.00 neg. TO GOOD HOME ONLY. Serious inquiries only please. Contact Paula at 613 475 1169 or E-mail paula-benjamin@hotmail.com Why oh why would you start riding a two and half year old and be jumping it too? and ask $5000 for it???? Trust me, horses are not selling real well here either and you can go to the auction and find an older, less height challenged horse that is broke and jumping for around $800 or less. Sigh!
Merry Christmas everyone!!!
another genius:
http://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=QRvdOxsGRdg
look at this horse:
http://www.geocities.com/lightningt_ranch/
dunnsforholly.html
check her fetlocks, and check out teh equipment they have on her AT 2!!!
Crunchberry’s mom said…
look at this horse:
http://www.geocities.com/lightningt_ranch/
dunnsforholly.html
check her fetlocks, and check out teh equipment they have on her AT 2!!!
I sure agree with you on this one. She’s actually a pretty mare except for those pasterns. Too bad they’re doing way too much at her age…she certainly won’t hold up.
Crunchberry’s mom said…
look at this horse:
http://www.geocities.com/lightningt_ranch/
dunnsforholly.html
check her fetlocks, and check out teh equipment they have on her AT 2!!!
December 17, 2007 8:59 AM
And they have a camel for sale too!
Galen,
She was ridden for a month by a kid that weighs less than 100lbs. She wont be ridden again til Summer of 08. She also goes with a bitless bridle. I had a total work up with the vet before she was ridden. She’s been basically on trail rides for less than 20 minutes a piece twice a week for those 30 days. OH she did have a bit twice. She didnt like it so again we went bitless. So riding like that isnt going to hurt her. I weigh much more and I will not get on her for quite some time.
My yearling wont go out for training til she is 3 and she wont go until I have a complete work up with the vet. That includes xrays of knees and such.
Horses4me- explain again why you are giving the horse back??
Me, I would be saying “see you in court”
I would also shoot the horse dead in his driveway before I would give it back.
But then, that’s me.
Here is another great BYB and parent of the yr applicant.
http://www.geocities.com/sheryakfarms/
The stallion, Mighty Captain Call, is a joke! I know the stallion too well. Yeah, he has the pedigree but no one can ride him. He was ridden by a “bull” rider and he bucked that lil SOB off and no one has been able to get on him since.
He has a club foot that makes him walk like a centipede with a wooden leg and he is very average in looks. He is pretty good on the ground but refuses to pick up his hind legs to have his hooves picked out.
The original owner bred him back to his dam at least twice that I know of. He tried to claim that the stallion got out but he had pictures of the mare being tied to a fence while he bred her to the son.
Look at their Appy stallion too!
Horsepoor- I watched that too! Reluctantly. My hubby was glued to the damn TV set. One mare we liked who looked much like his mare and moved the same too- sold for $52K.
I noticed a lot of the 2 y/o stallions weren’t bringing much either. Peanuts in comparison to the fillies and mares. They were around $8,500-$22K from the few I watched go through, before heading out to the barn.
I guess most folks don’t want to spend so much on a stallion to still have to fine tune, show the crap out of and promote- only to have them fail to produce in the breeding shed.
My3Arabs said…
Here is another great BYB and parent of the yr applicant.
http://www.geocities.com/sheryakfarms/
1. It’s got “yak” in the name! It’s an automatic candidate.
2. The site is “temporarily unavailable.” Amazing.
This local breeder breeds her Friesian stallion to just about anything.
http://www.dancingstarfriesians.com/
cutnjump said, “I noticed a lot of the 2 y/o stallions weren’t bringing much either. Peanuts in comparison to the fillies and mares. They were around $8,500-$22K from the few I watched go through, before heading out to the barn.
I guess most folks don’t want to spend so much on a stallion to still have to fine tune, show the crap out of and promote- only to have them fail to produce in the breeding shed.”
I have found this to be typical at most sales where there are quality horses being sold. I’ve seen nice, well-bred stallions who’ve earned a bit of money go cheap – people don’t want the hassles of owning a stallion when they can breed their mares to the multitude of top ones already out there standing today. This applies to TB sales, too.
People who think riding two years olds is acceptable should be shot!
And left to die a slow nasty death.
New reader but loving what you stand for.
The crazy TC Thoroughbreds from earlier in this thread now have some of their weanlings for sale on Dream Horse.
Package deal, four for the price of one! Ad #1143758 is for two weanlings for $250 for both!
http://tinyurl.com/2mgyx4
All of the horses on this place need an upgrade!
haffyfan said…
People who think riding two years olds is acceptable should be shot!
And left to die a slow nasty death.
New reader but loving what you stand for.
Haffy fan becareful you don’t fall off of your high horse(be it over two year old, or not)
My3Arabs said…
The crazy TC Thoroughbreds from earlier in this thread now have some of their weanlings for sale on Dream Horse.
Package deal, four for the price of one! Ad #1143758 is for two weanlings for $250 for both!
http://tinyurl.com/2mgyx4
All of the horses on this place need an upgrade!
“He still need a little worked, but has been hauled.”
“Hasn’t had much training, but is curious and will coming running when she see us coming.”
Why are they all so illiterate? Like FHOTD said, “It’s so consistent”.
Wow. I didn’t watch the whole video but IMO that Lazy reiner has a deadened tail and the worst example of a fake tail I’ve seen. Yuck.
Grainne Dhu said…
…I’m thinking it’s not a coincidence that the Spanish Riding School doesn’t start their horses under saddle until four years old. Their explanation (according to Alois Podhajsky) was that the Lippizanner is unusually slow maturing.
On the website for the Piber Stud, where the Lipizzans for the Spanish Riding School are bred, they say that their training begins at 4 with bridle, bit, lunge rein and harness, this includes potential brood mares. They are only saddled when they are 5. And before their formal training begins, they are handled daily while being turned out onto alpine meadows, in colt or filly herds, in order to strengthen their tendons and joints and to develop agility.
Famous Schoolstallions
The Lipizzans
One of the horses mentioned on the Spanish Riding School site was born Jan, 1979, and was retired Mar 2007. The oldest horse performing was born in 1986, so is 21 now. Seems that early care, and waiting for maturity pays off!
I have had a look at that friesian stallion my3arabs mentioned.
He is spectacularly average, my friesian gelding is better bred and could ‘knock him into a cocked hat’ on conformation. The front page of their website sets off the BYB alarms when they say they can provide “Cooled seamen” – yeah, they can’t spell either.
They ramble on in a bit about how they are breeding sports horses by describing all the great characteristics of the friesian and say “Then we’ll add a healthy dose of athleticism and movement” – that will be by crossing him with those fugly paints, Quarabs, percheron Xs I suppose?
The friesian is such a great breed because the FPS stricly control quality and forbid crossbreeding. The friesian had to be rescued from the brink of extinction because it was crossbred with so much fugly shit in the past that it nearly disappeared.
These folks are just jumping on the friesian bandwagon.
OMG I’ve just noticed they breed dogs too, I’m now searching their site for the unicorn!
Friesianluv said…
OMG I’ve just noticed they breed dogs too, I’m now searching their site for the unicorn!
December 17, 2007 11:14 AM
and don’t forget the religious sayings and butterflies! all this goes hand in hand with back-yard breeders!
Friesianluv said,
My husband drives through their town every day, actually he is there right now. I was thinking about having him stop and look at them but he is horrible when it comes to horses. Knowing him he would probably buy one just because it is half Friesian!
Yes, my husband is a dork when it comes to horses!
Zephyr’s mom:
Seems there are two of us! BTW great name lol
That filly looks like a Spotted Saddle horse… you see them everywhere around here. (Im in TN) Its normal for the back yard bred “gaited” horses around here to be broke at two.. most of them start riding them at around a year old. This old trainer I’ve heard of takes all of his yearlings on trail rides fully tacked up with a small child riding them. He ponies them off his horse. That way by time they’re two you can call them trail/child safe:). Happens all the time here. Who cares about how long they’ll stay sound.. most will be sored to death anyway- even if its for a dumpy local show.
Yep. Thats pretty much what your average back yard TN breeder looks like… .
I found a new way to spell “farrier”. Read through the description and you will learn how to spell it correctly too!
http://tinyurl.com/ysawv7
Before you get mad at me for spelling it “farrier” here is a link to the correct spelling.
http://tinyurl.com/2xpd5x
FTFOTB-
I have found this to be typical at most sales where there are quality horses being sold. I’ve seen nice, well-bred stallions who’ve earned a bit of money go cheap – people don’t want the hassles of owning a stallion when they can breed their mares to the multitude of top ones already out there standing today. This applies to TB sales, too.
I’m thinking it would be a good way to buy a whole bunch of ‘geldings in the making’. The geldings were going for decent prices too, at least the few I watched did.
With the NCHA offering the gelding only futurities, you would think there would be a few more folks willing to snip ‘em. Besides a good gelding will keep you showing and in the ring, while your mares are out of the ring for breeding and foaling.
Sometimes there is also the liability aspect of owning a stallion. Unfortunately this only seems to occur to those of us with half a brain and only a few of the BYB of Fugly- often held up for scrutiny here. And as someone else posted her before- why do these folks always seem to be blessed with such money?
I watched the whole auction and there were several colts that sold in the $80,000 to $120,000 range. A couple of them were High Brow Cat sons, one was a Mecum Blue colt I think. But the fillies brought in the big scratch by far.
And as someone else posted her before- why do these folks always seem to be blessed with such money?
I guess if we owned a Wal-Mart or something, we could afford to play in that market.
Just Kreeping Up, Alois Podhajsky wrote a book that was basically a series of biographies of his best horses, called _My Horses, My Teachers_.
In it, he describes the shock of losing the great Neapolitano Africa at only nineteen years old. Still considered in the prime of life, he died of pneumonia caught while the Spanish Riding School was on tour. This was only a few years before the discovery of penicillin.
His choices for new mounts was limited because he wasn’t expecting to lose Africa so soon. He decided to give a nine year old stallion, Pluto Theodorosta, a try, even though Theodorosta had many shortcomings due to a series of indifferent riders (at the Spanish Riding School! Who knew!).
Pluto Theodorosta was the stallion he rode in the demo for General Patton to demonstrate why the Lippizaner deserved to be saved in the chaotic ending of war in the European theatre in WWII. He rode him for the first tour of the US by the SRS.
Pluto Theodorosta was his mount for nineteen years and in full work up until age twenty eight.
Makes the fad for start’em early, use’em up and retire’em by age five or ten look pretty pathetic!
Parent of the Year at it again. Check it out, this child cannot even turn itself over, but certainly take a pic of you riding a horse with no bridle and then PS yourself out of the pic so it looks like baby is riding! Isn’t that cute????
http://buyhorses.com/scripts/hrsdetl.exe?1197490070
Horsepoor-
I didn’t watch the whole thing. Had to go out and dig out a few muddy stalls from all the rain we had. From what I did see though…
It seemed the horses with breeding or names reflecting their breeding-Dual Pep, High Brow Cat, Peppy San Badger, Peptoboonsmal, Playgun and Smart Little Lena bred horses were the ones bringing the money.
If their name/breeding had anything containing such, you could just hear the dollar sounds and the cha-ching, Cha-Ching, CHA-CHING!!!! going on.
These were horses out of money earning mares. So not only were they sired by well bred, high dollar, money earning stallions, their dams were also well bred, money earning mares.
We also noticed some of the riders did a great job showing the horse on the cows. Others seemed to run into the herd and grab which ever cow was peeled off for them. It seemed the horses that went into the herd quietly and worked the cows were the ones who also brought the $$$, while the horses blowing into the herd did not. Training made a difference there too, and was reflected and rewarded in the sale price.
BTW- someone had previously mentioned something about SLL and why he shouldn’t be breeding, but I can’t remember what it was. Can you refresh my memory, please? For some reason I am thinking it was Herda or something genetic like that. I could be completely wrong- I has happened before, and it will happen again… I am sure of it! LOL!
*** … one that looks a million dollars but can get out is own way even though it ought to be able to because all the bits seem to fit together well? (And why can’t it move?)****
I’m late on this but … I can answer that; because an animal is not just made up of bone which is what most people use as markers to determine structure. You can have all the bones in the right place but if the tendons, ligaments, and muscles are not correctly attached and correct length/strength etc then bone will only get you so far.
Also, you can “stack out” faults to make horse look better than it really is. When it moves it falls apart which is why classes require the animal to be moved and are not just judged on structure alone. A VERY good eye will see musculature faults even before the animal moves. Hard to learn and harder to teach.
As for pretty vs useful … useful is more important(to me) because a broken down horse that is pretty is still broken down.
I’m looking at Canadiens right now and while I put a lot of importance on structure I do always have a look at the head anyway
Grainne Dhu, I also wonder if the horses that are started so young are stalled 22-23 hours a day, and so have no chance for normal joint and tendon development? I like to see the young horses that I work with get out and run and play regularly – no scientific proof on my part, but it seems common sense to me that it is much healthier for them to have as much exercise as possible. And they run a lot more, and, I think, are emotionally more healthy, if they are out in a group, even if they risk bites and kicks. Wish that I had high Alpine meadows for summer turn out!
Zephyr’s Mom said…
Wow. I didn’t watch the whole video but IMO that Lazy reiner has a deadened tail and the worst example of a fake tail I’ve seen. Yuck.
Brings me to another topic: I hate, hate, hate fake tails. I hate them with the passion of a thousand flaming suns. I will never understand this “fad.”
Lauren_MI_Eventer said…
Zephyr’s Mom said…
Wow. I didn’t watch the whole video but IMO that Lazy reiner has a deadened tail and the worst example of a fake tail I’ve seen. Yuck.
Brings me to another topic: I hate, hate, hate fake tails. I hate them with the passion of a thousand flaming suns. I will never understand this “fad.”
December 17, 2007 1:23 PM
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I am glad that I am not the only one who feels that way!
“Her recommendation is not to put any weight on a horse’s back until they are three years of age. At three years old, restrict that weight to a lightweight person crawling on and off the horse at a stand, just to get the horse used to the concept.”
There’s one very important point, often overlooked: Three years of age means **36 months**. Not January 1 when the registry *says* he’s 3 — but 36 months. Four means *48 months*.
The majority of horses broken as early 2-year-olds are no more 24 months old than *I* am (though from the other side …).
Just Kreeping Up wrote: Grainne Dhu, I also wonder if the horses that are started so young are stalled 22-23 hours a day, and so have no chance for normal joint and tendon development?
I’m not an expert but it would seem so to me. Horses that get lots of turn out time do some running and playing but spend most of their time slowly moving from place to place, the sort of low impact exercise that is supposed to be good for building bone density and muscle without over-stressing joint cartilage.
And now there’s all those places that have underwater treadmills which are supposed to do the same thing! Only better, you know, because of the resistance of the water and everything. And the price you have to pay for one.
Why not do it the old fashioned way and let the horses do the same thing for themselves?
I know my dogs get a lot more exercise than most dogs that live in the house because I live way out in the country and have a relatively large field fenced off. They don’t have constant access to the field so they always act like it’s a special treat to do there (despite going over there at least once a day! Ah to be as easily overjoyed as a dog…). My dogs run like maniacs and play like mad and rarely need to see a vet for anything more than their once yearly well dog checkup.
And yeah, they nick themselves up on stuff, they nick each other playing rough and have more white hairs on their faces than dogs who live more restricted lives. But they’re healthy and happy, which means everything to me.
Too bad I can’t convince more dog owners to do likewise for their dogs. One thing I’ve noticed about dogs that are in top condition is that they are rarely bothered by allergies, even if they had allergies before they got into condition. Since allergies are one of the commonest problems in dogs, getting the dog in hard muscular condition is such a cheap solution!
For that matter, I wonder if the same thing is true in horses? I don’t remember allergies being such a huge problem in horses as they are in dogs but are there other conditions that lessen in severity or go away if the horse is turned out most of the time?
My3Arabs said…
Lauren_MI_Eventer said…
Zephyr’s Mom said…
Wow. I didn’t watch the whole video but IMO that Lazy reiner has a deadened tail and the worst example of a fake tail I’ve seen. Yuck.
Brings me to another topic: I hate, hate, hate fake tails. I hate them with the passion of a thousand flaming suns. I will never understand this “fad.”
December 17, 2007 1:23 PM
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I am glad that I am not the only one who feels that way!
I’m not condoning it…but it’s a pretty simple concept. The long luxurious tail is popular. People associate the typical 2- to 3-year old’s tail with the old bulldog-type image of a QH. The longer tail seems to give the image of elegance……though it often has the opposite effect when the horse rings his tail with every cue and proudly shows the huge plug at the end that holds it all together! I love a good horse who can get his tailwig out during a class. Just makes me laugh and feel better about the effort I put into cleaning, moisturizing, and taking the utmost care of my horses’ au naturale tails
Horses$me- Possession is 9/10ths of the law. Even if he didn’t sign a release, unless you signed something with him, he can’t prove he still owns it. It was given to you by party who rightfully possessed the horse. The horse is yours.
This ad made me chuckle–they deserve extra money for the horse just for the effort.
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=218&ad=2348170&cat=106&lpid=
on the child broke 2 year old filly. did you know that the gentleman that now ownes her saved her from an auction where she was most likely headed to slaughter in canada or mexico, both places inhumanely destroy them. he didn’t breed this filly or start her under saddle at 2 years of age. someone else did, and someone else had multiple children riding her all over the place. he bought her to try to give her a chance. he tries to purchase 4-10 horses a year from auctions to try to give them a second chance at life. most of them are sick and skinny. he brings them home and rehabilitates them so that they have a chance. one of those horses is now at a therapeutic riding program teaching disabled children to ride. he isn’t riding this filly as he doesn’t ride. he as a small lady that rides for him. the filly is turned out right now to be allowed to grow and be a filly. why are you after this man when he didn’t commit the sins… many of the other breed organizations ride and show their horses at 2 and 3 years of age, race horses are on the track at 2 years old. this gentleman nor his rider or friends agree that a 2 year old should be ridden, but given the chance to be in good situation. so, lets help him find this horse a home instead of putting him down. i wish more would try to do what he’s doing, helping those horses that go to auctions.
Grainne Dhu said…
…One thing I’ve noticed about dogs that are in top condition is that they are rarely bothered by allergies, even if they had allergies before they got into condition. Since allergies are one of the commonest problems in dogs, getting the dog in hard muscular condition is such a cheap solution!…
Maybe that is why my allergies have hardly bothered me this fall! A summer of playing ultimate frisbee, and a part time job looking after about 20 horses twice a week, and I was thinking that, even though I have hay fever, I have hardly sneezed at all in the last few months. And I am not anywhere near “hard muscular condition”, just fitter than I was a year ago!
Ok, so in the description for the one called “Beauty” ( chuckle) it reads.. looks elegant “under cart” Huh??!! Does that mean they ran her over with one??!!
animal lover said…
on the child broke 2 year old filly. did you know that the gentleman that now owns her saved her from an auction where she was most likely headed to slaughter in Canada or Mexico, both places inhumanely destroy them. he didn’t breed this filly or start her under saddle at 2 years of age. someone else did, and someone else had multiple children riding her all over the place. he bought her to try to give her a chance. he tries to purchase 4-10 horses a year from auctions to try to give them a second chance at life. most of them are sick and skinny. he brings them home and rehabilitates them so that they have a chance. one of those horses is now at a therapeutic riding program teaching disabled children to ride. he isn’t riding this filly as he doesn’t ride. he as a small lady that rides for him. the filly is turned out right now to be allowed to grow and be a filly. why are you after this man when he didn’t commit the sins… many of the other breed organizations ride and show their horses at 2 and 3 years of age, race horses are on the track at 2 years old. this gentleman nor his rider or friends agree that a 2 year old should be ridden, but given the chance to be in good situation. so, lets help him find this horse a home instead of putting him down. i wish more would try to do what he’s doing, helping those horses that go to auctions.
December 17, 2007 5:03 PM
Oh give me a BREAK- do you think we are all stupid here???
If he was genuinely interested in this truly rubbish filly’s welfare he would not be advertising a two year old as “Kid proof” he would be advertising her as ” quiet and gentle, ready to be turned away till next Spring and brought on THEN”
In fact if he was really interested in her welfare he would not be lying about her in order to make a quick buck he would be keeping her till next Spring and seeing how big she makes because it is NOT going to be 16.00hh or anywhere near that!!!!
Right on Kirri. No honest horse person advertises babies as “kid safe”. If he is such a good person and wants to help these horses he wouldn’t advertise them as dressage/WP/hunter and whatever else prospects either. He’d let them grow up and start them right then find them suitable homes at a decent price. Good Gawd, that George creature he’s advertising is hideous (not the horse’s fault poor baby) and is NOT any kind of prospect except pet/trail horse maybe. His horses are crap and so is he just like all the other asshats doing the same thing.
Our 2 y/o was good for us because she respected us but if anyone got around her that was clueless or not confident she immediately picked up on it and would give them a hard time, my son included. 2 y/o’s are babies and should NEVER be considered kid safe or beginner safe.
animal lover said…
“on the child broke 2 year old filly. did you know that the gentleman that now ownes her saved her from an auction where she was most likely headed to slaughter in canada or mexico, both places inhumanely destroy them. he didn’t breed this filly or start her under saddle at 2 years of age. someone else did, and someone else had multiple children riding her all over the place.”
The gentleman riding the horse in the video was too heavy for that horse’s soft joints. He said the horse was a yearling, and that his vet said the horse was old enough to ride. When challenged about that, he insisted multiple times the horse was vet OKed to ride. His story doesn’t match yours.
That’s wonderful that he rescues horses from going on the meat truck. Is he willing to make pasture ornaments out of them the rest of their lives because he crushed their back and knee joints on the video, possibly dooming that horse to a lifetime of pain? They might have been better off with a fast release from life in a slaughterhouse, awful as that is.
If he doesn’t recognize the horse’s tiny steps as a response to too great a weight for it to carry, will he recognize when the horse is in pain for years?
animal lover said…
on the child broke 2 year old filly. did you know that the gentleman that now owns her saved her from an auction where she was most likely headed to slaughter in Canada or Mexico, both places inhumanely destroy them. he didn’t breed this filly or start her under saddle at 2 years of age. someone else did, and someone else had multiple children riding her all over the place. he bought her to try to give her a chance. he tries to purchase 4-10 horses a year from auctions to try to give them a second chance at life. most of them are sick and skinny. he brings them home and rehabilitates them so that they have a chance. one of those horses is now at a therapeutic riding program teaching disabled children to ride. he isn’t riding this filly as he doesn’t ride. he as a small lady that rides for him. the filly is turned out right now to be allowed to grow and be a filly. why are you after this man when he didn’t commit the sins… many of the other breed organizations ride and show their horses at 2 and 3 years of age, race horses are on the track at 2 years old. this gentleman nor his rider or friends agree that a 2 year old should be ridden, but given the chance to be in good situation. so, lets help him find this horse a home instead of putting him down. i wish more would try to do what he’s doing, helping those horses that go to auctions.
December 17, 2007 5:03 PM
give me a fuckin’ break. we have already heard how he plans on yanking the ‘disabled kids horse’ away from them because of his greed. we have heard it all.. go pedal your papers elsewhere, we already know all about this asshole who only worries about teh money he can get.*infuriated*
just as i thought.
Animal Lover: member since December 07.
isn’t it funny how the people who are featured here show up in ‘disguise’, and attempt to defend themselves.
>>Oh give me a BREAK- do you think we are all stupid here???< <
They always seem to come in here thinking that…they also think we cannot look things up on AQHA or APHA or whatever…