Color guaranteed! Quality…um, not so much.
Dec 15 2007
I am trying to get through some of my 324 e-mails before I have to do all the barn work and go real estate shopping (have I mentioned that Websense is the Tool of Satan lately? I’m sure I have. And yesterday the internet wouldn’t work on my Treo. Sprint is also affiliated with Satan.) and, boy, there is enough here to write a book! I’m going to start with these folks. You know how those breeders in SD had come up with a few new dog breeds none of us had ever heard of? Well, these guys have come up with a registry I have never heard of. You learn something new every day…unfortunately!
Even if the world did need foals sired by your 1/2 Paint, 1/4 Saddlebred, 1/4 Arabian stallion who has never accomplished a damn thing except impregnating mares in his whole life, it still would not need foals out of this hammerheaded, ewe necked NSH mare.
But hey, it gets better. This unfortunate looking creature is a member of the “Painted Sport Horse Registry.” It bills itself proudly as “The only 100% color Registry & homozygous LISTING registry.” Hell, with those strict specifications, they could do a membership drive at any kill pen in the country! The PSHR also lists a “type” on the registration certificate. His “type” is – and I quote “PREFORMANCE.” Well shit, I guess so, because it surely isn’t HLATER!
All right, out to squeeze a week’s worth of stuff I have to do when I’m not at work into one mere weekend! Hope you and your horses are having a great one.
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I have a question for all of you brains….
If you register a grade horse in the grade horse registry, is it still a grade horse? I mean isn;t it registered now and not grade? I am so confused!
the thinker…
I’ve seen some horrific videos. I’ve seen horses repeatedly hit by the captive bolt while they were moving in the shoot, or ducking away from the bolt, and end up with shattered chins, shoulders, etc. I’ve also seen it done “correctly,” and it appears that the horse is unconscious or brain-dead. There are post-death muscle spasms that occur in any death that can be misread as an animal still alive. However, I thought that the point was to kill the horse and then bleed them out immediately – not bleed them out before death. I was sickened when I read that part.
HE HE HE,
Found a link to your site on YH Answers. Spent about 5 hours last night just looking. Had me in stitches and rolling round the ground laughing and crying all at once.
Keep up the great work and thank god for the freedom of speech.
Hopefully people like you will help stop these type of breeders.
U have a fugly follower forever!!!!
Cheers and Merryx Xmas from Australia. HE HE HE (Still can’t stop laughing.)
Thanks Fugly! In future blog entries, please include the link so we can all find it (LOL!) – I’m always looking for the links. (Blonde moments!)
marzbarz said: LOL – I knew you caught the joke! I like your idea for the cross. Very speedy yet the sweet greyhound disposition may do wonders for a hot thoroughbred when living life in the racing world. Great jumper possibilities too!
Can you imagine the trainers, grooms, etc if TB’s were suddenly content to loaf around and sleep for 16 hours a day? I’m always mildly surprised to stay at my friend’s house and watch her three greyhounds lay on the sofa and watch tv or listen to the radio before she lets them out and they run like mad for 10 minutes before going back to sleep for the rest of the day. Plus they even have boots and blankets and everything for them so it would be totally believable to pass one off as a really athletic falabella. Still trying to figure out which idiot decided to breed TB’s and Shetlands to get that one.
pinkandwhitepony said…
Still trying to figure out which idiot decided to breed TB’s and Shetlands to get that one.
Whoa…. I missed that cross… that would be close the equivalent of breeding a dog to a horse in size and build differential! Is there a fancy name for this combo? *yikes-a-mama!*
“Soli said: …Actually, that is not true. There are some combinations of color genes that will appear to be what is considered cremello – but is not. If there is a possibility that a horse carries the other genes, it is important that he be tested particularly if the animal is to be bred or sold into a situation where color matters. “
No no, I know that much. I know very very little about Pearl, but know just about all I can about Champagne. I am however saying in his case – who cares. There’s very little possability (none) that this horse has any of those genes since (at least champagne and cream, like I said I know nothing about pearl) are dominant, even if incomplete in cream’s case… the horse isnt black in coloration, so it’s not a smokey black. Well if it’s not a buckskin or a palomino, it doesnt have the cream gene.
Is there a test to test for -cremello- as a whole though? ‘Cause I find that weird as hell. Cremello isnt the gene. It’s just two creams on a chestnut. Cream (or creame) is the actual gene that dictates it all anyway.
At least thats what I thought.
(And furthermore, why test for any color if you dont care about feeding, grooming, or caring for your horses, or noticing that their pasterns are shit, their backs are long, they’re built downhill, and they have bird necks) ….
Color is an extreamly important part of breeding, especially in certain breeds. I wont lie and I’ve said it before, I LOVE color. Love it. I find it facinating and as an artist I am very in tune to how things look, what pleases my eye.
Well conformed horses, stellar examples of their breed in both color and body structure, pleases me the most.
That and, vet bills because of simple things like leg, hoof, and back problems that could have been avoided if your horse didnt have poor conformation… are not something I feel like dealing with. I also dont feel like dealing with a horse that cant excell to what I want to acheive because it was poorly bred.
So that’s why I have my little bay mare. Not a perlino like I want to own one day.. but a looker otherwise, never lame in her life, with a shoulder and legs that wont limit what I want to do with her
Oh my gawd! At first I thought I might know the stud you were referring to, then I remembered when I was 13 (12 years ago) that horse was about to keel over. Yeah, that’s what his useless breeding was, black and white tobiano too. He wasn’t totally atrocious but he wasn’t worth his nuts. Oh sure he was a total dink, acted like a gelding and anyone could ride him but whoooo cares? My wire hair terrier/blue heeler mutt is the sweetest thing alive, but I can show you her spaying scar.
You know, if all these fugly breeders made do with model horses the world would be a much better place. You can show models! You can “breed” them! You can trade them! You can build dynasties of them!
And no real horse gets harmed in the process.
Seriously, I was a model hobbyist in my teens and all these fugly stud ads just remind me of the model stud ads in the photocopies newsletters I used to subscribe to.
OMG SERIOUSLY.
No lie, model horses are tons of fun even if you ARE into real horses and you CAN take care of them properly.
When you get into customizing them (repainting, repositioning, resculpting them entirley) and you see people selling them on ebay for thousands of dollars… really, it’s a sweet deal. No lie, you CAN build a dynasty out of them.
And you can play and mix and match colors all you want, on horses that will never need to be fed. Just try not to knock them over and that’s all they ask of you.
I’m glad you get pissed and sput off about these jackasses! I’ve been bitchin’ about these backyard breeders for years. Just pisses me off.They shouldn’t reproduce their own kind much less horses.
Did you read all about “Dustin” the crap horse breeder at his studly website? You know, the one with the big photo of the horse with his Fifth Leg hanging down?
Goldstud.net
And I quote: “Dustin has found his place in the horse world as an equine reproduction specialist.”
Um, OK.
appytrails77 said…
From the website of the idiots who own GolDust (and all his ungelded friends) Am I the only one even the slightest bit confused by this advert they’re running?
GolDust
-Born 1997 Grade Quarter Horse stallion
-Chocolate Palamino (Sorral with flaxen
mane and tale)
-Perfect to breed to Pure Arabian mares for
A beautiful and athletic Half-Arab
(Quareb) Foal.
Stud Fee: FREE for the 2008 season By
artificial insemination only
A $150 stud fee and a fee of $150 per
collection for shipped semen does
apply
Free stud fee… but the next line says you have to pay $300?
Right. And who breeds their GRADE FUGLY palomino stallion by AI?!
Definitely confused.
And ENS King Of Spades… once again, touting that he’s got ‘great bloodlines’… quoted from the website: “Two Eyed Jack is inarguably one of the greatest quarter horse sires there has ever been. ”
Too bad he’s on his SEVENTH generation in his pedigree!
Oh, and don’t forget the ol’IdiotFuglyBreeder stand-by, Three Bars. “Three Bars has had the greatest impact on the Quarter Horse
Breed of any horse in history. Three bars left his mark in racing, halter,
cutting and other arena performance events.”
Several times throughout the pedigree, but of course none closer than the SEVENTH generation.
And this statement was completely moronic. Regarding King-P234 lines:
” Legions of Quarter Horse “persons” have said if it doesn’t have KING in the pedigree, “I ain’t riding it!” Strong statements, however, King P-234 was a very special horse. He has been the most inbred, linebred, out-crossed and star-crossed sire to ever grace the Quarter Horse industry. No self respecting reiner or cutter ever knowingly rides a horse without a few crosses to King … and some feel the more, the better.”
Puhleez. Act like you know what you’re talking about when you VERY OBVIOUSLY do NOT.
This horse has King twice… on the EIGHTH generation.
There’s a baby picture of him on their website on his registration papers for the PINTO Horse Association Of America… and folks WONDER why we don’t think that a horse having points in PINTO registries is worth a shit?!
Who would have kept this long-pasterned baby a stallion?!
http://tinyurl.com/ypjnmj
And how about asking $4,500 FOR A SON OF HIS?!
http://tinyurl.com/2e33nx
I am floored… sickened by the pure amount of idiocy I’ve witnessed on this page. I actually felt my brain cells popping ferociously in an attempt to understand the logic and rationalization these people have followed to allow themselves to breed such COMPLETE AND UTTER CRAP.
I really wish this person, or a representative, would show up. I’ve got a thing or two that needs to get said, that’s for sure.
marzbarz said: Whoa…. I missed that cross… that would be close the equivalent of breeding a dog to a horse in size and build differential! Is there a fancy name for this combo? *yikes-a-mama!*
If I remember from the breed history its a falabella…. There’s less than a thousand purebred ones and originally they were supposed to look like tiny tiny TBs or Arabs (now supposedly QH’s are allowed?).
http://www.falabellafmha.com/index.html
Dontyouridenofuglyhorse said…I have a question for all of you brains….
If you register a grade horse in the grade horse registry, is it still a grade horse? I mean isn;t it registered now and not grade? I am so confused!”
LOL. Yes, how can that be?
I guess if you make up your own registry, you can also make up your own rules.
I wonder what the real value is to register with that association? Do they have shows for “grade” horses only? Would it be like a breed show? Will there one day be a “Grade Horse World Show” that fugly breeders can aspire to?
OFCOL said, “I really wish this person, or a representative, would show up. I’ve got a thing or two that needs to get said, that’s for sure.”
I wish more of them would show up and debate intelligently if they disagree with us. But it doesn’t happen. They just get mad, call names and write illiterate nonsense, and then disappear.
That’s absolutely true, FTFOTB.
They can’t stick to the topic at hand, so it comes down to ‘you’re mean!’ and ‘I’m calling my lawyer!’
I don’t mind it when folks like who showed up on the One Impressive Beau thread show up. At least they SORT OF had some semi-useful things to say, even if I didn’t agree with them.
But of course, they can’t stick it out for long.
OFCOL – True. But you have to remember, if they were intelligent, they wouldn’t be featured on this blog in the first place. Others should consider themselves lucky they don’t have websites. LOL.
Dontyouridenofuglyhorse said…
I have a question for all of you brains….
If you register a grade horse in the grade horse registry, is it still a grade horse? I mean isn;t it registered now and not grade? I am so confused!
LOL. Of course it would still be grade. If it had “grade” papers, the horse still has no documented ancestry, so intelligent breeding and predictable outcomes could not take place.
RE: Captive Bolt
Captive bolt has failed in many instances…it smashes the skull, but the shards don’t penetrate the brain deeply enough…pierces the frontal lobe, but not the nervous system/heart areas. I have no evidence of this apart from what a slaughterhouse owner/manager has related. Seeing captive bolt fail on enough cows and horses throughout his life has taught him to electrocute pigs and shoot horses/cows/buffalo/sheep/goats…etc.
I am not familiar with Halal practices…but in “regular” slaughter (not Halal or Kosher) large animals are shot dead and strung up. The throats are cut and the animal bleeds out, gravity drainage. No reason for the hearts to be beating. Stringing up a living animal is grounds for loss of license in Canada. Remember, meat inspectors are on the floor for every single kill and MORE inspectors are present for Halal and Kosher kill days (my source doesn’t do either anymore, too much extra organisation and not enough market in this area, but he does have experience in both). Part of the reason is to ensure humane slaughter. THe inspector gets to take the heads home with him for BSE/Wasting Disease testing.
Captive bolt requires that the killer be close to the animal. It increases panic and likelihood of failure.
Marksmen can hide out of sight, and a close-range, appropriate calibre firearm has a much higher likelihood of success, in the experience of this particular slaughterhouse operator. It also saves money on employee injury claims, because captive bolt is much more dangerous for the employee.
forthefutureofthebreed said…
Dontyouridenofuglyhorse said…
I have a question for all of you brains….
If you register a grade horse in the grade horse registry, is it still a grade horse? I mean isn;t it registered now and not grade? I am so confused!
LOL. Of course it would still be grade. If it had “grade” papers, the horse still has no documented ancestry, so intelligent breeding and predictable outcomes could not take place.
December 16, 2007 7:18 AM
It’s an attempt on the part of the breeders of horses the likes of which were mentioned in this piece to validate their moronic breeding practices.
Now, in their small and arid minds, they can truly say ‘This horse has papers.’
Even though it’s grade. And they allow everybody in, if they pay the money.
That’s like saying ‘She’s registered with the American LawnMower Association.
Thanks for the link. It saved a lot of time.
I’m not a fan of all the crossing of breeds so I don’t pay a whole lot of attention to horses or sites that have them. I didn’t spend much time on this one because and really have no idea why someone would look at any of the horses and get that “wow” factor. Some cute foals but aside from that, kind of scrawny looking, muddy horses and poorly taken pictures. People don’t seem to understand all the things that can be seen in pictures!
Did I miss it or was there any show record for any of them or are people supposed to go to this farm for some special reason???
OFCOL said, “It’s an attempt on the part of the breeders of horses the likes of which were mentioned in this piece to validate their moronic breeding practices.”
While these grade, fugly crossbreds and their breeders are certainly obvious fugly fodder, there are many breeders out there breeding legitimately registered horses who also lack the quality to be breeding animals. These are the people that we need to be aware of, and they are probably the most numerous. They have just enough knowledge (gained only from what they’ve heard others say, or read in a book somewhere), to be a detriment to the breed. Like you said, they’ll grab at some famous name way back in a pedigree to justify their horses’ right to breed on. These breeders have no goal (other than to make money), and will appear genuine and knowledgeable to the first time horse buyer. These breeders don’t realize that their horses are just as likely to end up dead in Mexico or Canada as the fugly grade horses. I’ll bet there’s more of this type out there than any other group of horses today.
American Grade Horse Registry? Welcome to the redundant department of redundancy.
“I have a question for all of you brains….
If you register a grade horse in the grade horse registry, is it still a grade horse? I mean isn;t it registered now and not grade? I am so confused!
LOL. Of course it would still be grade. If it had “grade” papers, the horse still has no documented ancestry, so intelligent breeding and predictable outcomes could not take place.”
Just a wee history lesson: Although “Grade” has come to mean the same as “mixed breed” or “unknown”, it actually historically meant “not purebred, but has one purebred parent”, and it was always followed by the breed of the purebred parent. Thus, the offspring of a Quarter Horse and a crossbred/mixed breed/unknown was a “grade quarter horse.” A horse without a purebred parent was a mix/cross/unknown.
You can find this meaning of grade applied scrupulously even in the 50s and early 60s. Then it became an indicator of type — a “grade QH” was a horse of unknown breeding that looked sorta like a QH (in the opinion of the person describing it).
Now, of course, “grade” has come to mean anything not registered, whatever known or unknown breeding it may have …
Yeah, registries like the Grade Horse Registry or the Trail Horse Registry are a joke to serious breeders — but if you have a nice horse with no pedigree (a GELDING or non-breeding mare, of course!), such registration does create a “title” that can be very useful in case of theft, as well as just a way for the owner to honor a darn good horse.
I’ll freely admit to having registered a couple of horses in the “Bay Horse Registry” back in the 70s — one as a fun gift to the horse’s owner, the other to document ownership/identity of a heckuva nice QH mare who was producing *champion* Half-Arabians for me — but whose papers had been sold with another horse before I got her because she had a severe barbwire injury (the injured pastern was actually almost 4degrees steeper due to the scar tissue).
It was cheap and fun.
None of either mare’s offspring were ever registered as Bay Horses — they were too busying winning championships/regional champs/Nat’l Top Tens as Half Arabians …
**Blogger izze90 said…
What do you know, I found another fugly horse breeder!!Check out their APHA stallion, he’s a looker.
http://www.tcthoroughbreds.com/index.htm **
I think those photos are distorted. The APHA stud page photos all look stretched horizontally, and the TB stallion’s page has photos that looked stretched vertically.
How stupid are people that they would join a registry that means ZERO. What a waste of money. I guess that is why my Mom used to say some folks have more money then brains LOL
ALMA, I love it! But I think the qualifing factor for registry in this one is that they are of no earthly other use except mowing lawns. I think it could be a badge of honour for retired horses whose owners are taking care of them to the end of their days.
forthefutureofthebreed said…
OFCOL said, “It’s an attempt on the part of the breeders of horses the likes of which were mentioned in this piece to validate their moronic breeding practices.”
While these grade, fugly crossbreds and their breeders are certainly obvious fugly fodder, there are many breeders out there breeding legitimately registered horses who also lack the quality to be breeding animals. These are the people that we need to be aware of, and they are probably the most numerous. They have just enough knowledge (gained only from what they’ve heard others say, or read in a book somewhere), to be a detriment to the breed. Like you said, they’ll grab at some famous name way back in a pedigree to justify their horses’ right to breed on. These breeders have no goal (other than to make money), and will appear genuine and knowledgeable to the first time horse buyer. These breeders don’t realize that their horses are just as likely to end up dead in Mexico or Canada as the fugly grade horses. I’ll bet there’s more of this type out there than any other group of horses today.
December 16, 2007 7:39 AM
Exactly.
But in their tiny brains, this gives them a TITLE, which makes them SUPER.
No sense in telling them that the majority of the horse-owning public doesn’t agree…
You know the old saying (and it is SO TRUE in horses…)
An idiot will find bigger idiots to follow and agree with him.
And here’s the root of the problem. This is why new horse owners get taken.
From another forum:
But the majority of people want and own inexpensive family horses with good dispostions. Most of them are of mediocre breeding, and the people quite frankly could care less.
Newsflash. If new horse owners realised that they could get good disposition AND good papers they’d buy that! Mediocre breeders have had to insinuate themselves EVERYWHERE to get to new horse owners before good breeders do.
But the fact of the matter is, the average Joe could care less if their horse is capable of winning a national halter competition. The average person wants a companion horse, maybe mess around with some local competitions, and have fun working with and training the horse.
Same guy, back at it.
This is the FUNDAMENTAL FLAW in the horse world. I am an average person. I want to compete at LOCAL OPEN SHOWS. I want a nice, well-bred horse culled from a reputable breeding program who had the POTENTIAL to go higher. Who has a history of GOOD SOUNDNESS.
I HATE THE WAY THE FUCKING PEOPLE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF WELL_MEANING ANIMAL LOVERS THAT DESERVE A WELL-BRED HORSE AS MUCH AS THE NEXT PERSON.
WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE ME AND MY HORSE NOVICE FRIENDS THAT PAY FOR YOUR RIGHT TO BREED GARBAGE?>????!
Totally OT but I had an idea, why not have a FUGLY horse of the year contest? Have everyone submit photos of what they think is the fugliest horse they have ever seen, and FUGLY can judge them. Sort of a reverse conformation class.
Of course we would have to post the winner, and why they won everywhere…
Totally OT but I had an idea, why not have a FUGLY horse of the year contest? Have everyone submit photos of what they think is the fugliest horse they have ever seen, and FUGLY can judge them. Sort of a reverse conformation class.
Of course we would have to post the winner, and why they won everywhere…
I think that’s a great idea!
lovehikki said…
“American Grade Horse Registry? Welcome to the redundant department of redundancy.”
Oh that’s just beautiful.
sarcastabitch said…
But the fact of the matter is, the average Joe could care less if their horse is capable of winning a national halter competition. The average person wants a companion horse, maybe mess around with some local competitions, and have fun working with and training the horse.
Same guy, back at it.
This is the FUNDAMENTAL FLAW in the horse world. I am an average person. I want to compete at LOCAL OPEN SHOWS. I want a nice, well-bred horse culled from a reputable breeding program who had the POTENTIAL to go higher. Who has a history of GOOD SOUNDNESS.
I HATE THE WAY THE FUCKING PEOPLE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF WELL_MEANING ANIMAL LOVERS THAT DESERVE A WELL-BRED HORSE AS MUCH AS THE NEXT PERSON.
WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE ME AND MY HORSE NOVICE FRIENDS THAT PAY FOR YOUR RIGHT TO BREED GARBAGE?>????!
December 16, 2007 8:48 AM
I don’t understand it either. It’s not fair, and it’s sad.
The only things I could come up with are these:
1.)- People are cheap, and are always looking to get something for nothing. If they get a horse for a hundred bucks, they feel they got the ‘deal of the century’ because his great-great-great-great-great-great-grandsire was in an AQHA legend book.
2.)- People are gullible. Especially naive beginners. If so-n-so, who claims to have been in the horse business since God was a boy, says that this here buckskin stallion has good ‘confirmation’, why would a naive, beginner horseperson argue? They obviously feel outranked by said old-timer. So they agree, stroking old-timer’s ego, and they buy a horse, filling old-timer’s bank account and vindicating years of fugly breeding.
3.)- People are lazy. If they can buy a horse from the asshat breeders down by the crick, they will. Why drive 3 hours to buy something decent, when you can buy something cheap in your own backyard?
But to be honest, as a breeder, I wouldn’t want one of my horses winding up in the hands of those types of folks. I want my horses to go to folks who will enjoy them, but I don’t want the rest of the horse world saying ‘They bought a horse from so-n-so–just shows that they will sell their horses to anybody.’
It all boils down to how much people care. Folks that WANT to have a nice horse and LOVE THE ANIMAL will buy nice stock. Or they will rescue horses that need good homes.
Folks that don’t really care, or don’t know enough to care, and just view a horse as a gimmick or a status symbol or a vehicle to plod down the trail on… they don’t care, and they are the folks supporting breeders like that.
Ha Shadow Rider,thats a marvellous idea. I can now spend the next 2 days trolling for candidates,but thats ok because it’s snowing like mad here and I don’t wanna go out and shovel again.
Innochi is yours? I really like that horse…
Briana said “Innochi is yours? I really like that horse…”
Yes, he’s mine. I bought him from his breeder BEFORE he was born. He was “supposed” to be a she, but hey — I’m not complaining!
Ann said “. nice horses! And I am happy to see that you believe in the liberal use of gelding….”
Gelding is a wonderful thing. You take a mediocre (read “not breeding quality”) colt and voila’ you have a NICE gelding. Plus, you don’t have the hormone issues. What could be better?
Blogger frankengelding said…
Did you read all about “Dustin” the crap horse breeder at his studly website? You know, the one with the big photo of the horse with his Fifth Leg hanging down?
ahahahah!! that reminds me of something that happened long, LONG ago!
*long boring story alert*
when i was a kid (like 12 or so), my best friend and i were going to the movies. her mom was driving us. we passed a pasture with a horse, standing in knee deep grass in it.
it was a gelding… and his no-no stick was hanging out. Jeannie’s mom almost wrecked us! she slammed on the brakes and was like OMG that horse has 5 legs!
we were ROLLING!!!
May I just say thank you for pointing out that Sprint is SATAN, LOL. I have believed this for years and will have nothing to do with the company. We drove by their hugs headquarters in Kansas City once. I have to admit I had unkind thoughts about demolishing the building, grrrrrrrrrrr….
Okay I am over it now, hahahahahahahahahahahah
TB X Shetlands….Welllll….there was obviously a step in between, but I believe our current Pan Am Eventing Gold Medallist, Theodore O’Connor is a TB X Arab/Shetland cross. Obviously, it worked in that case!