Perhaps a camel saddle should come with her?
Oct 10 2007
First, one quick note: Please do not e-mail me until further notice. I have 528 unread e-mails. I still do not have Internet and am using a friend’s computer for limited amounts of time. I am never going to get through all of these e-mails. Commenting on the blog is far more likely to get my attention at this point. Thanks for understanding!
I’m so overtired/brain dead at this point that I cannot remember if I’ve posted this ad before (I know I’ve seen it before) but I KNOW I have not posted this picture. Holy moly. OK we’ve found the official WORST roach back on the planet…and of course, she is in foal!
“Grade Friesian Mare/Wonderful Family Horse, $5,500, Mare, Black, Age: 6, 17.2H, Miss Camel is a wonderful grade Friesian mare. She has a great temperament and loves attention. She is calm and easy to handle. Her only fault is she has a “Roach back”. Vet has cleared her for riding bareback or with saddle. She is bred to Registered Friesian for ’08 foal. Miss Camel is all black. We have many horses available at all levels of training and a wide variety of types/breeds. We offer training packages and payment plans to meet every budget. We accept Credit Cards/Paypal Payments.” FHOTD in: Of course you do. Hell, you’d probably swap her for two six packs, a side of beef and a wall hanging of pit bulls playing poker! P.S. The roach back is NOT her only fault. As a matter of fact, I am hard pressed to find something I like about this mare. Cover the part of the screen that has her back half on it with your hand. You still don’t like her, do you? Neither do I. She looks to be back at the knee, her neck is set on high and there’s no smoothness to it and that is one big honking head in comparison to the rest of her. But hey! She is only $5500. (If anybody out there would seriously consider paying that for this horse, can you just send it to me instead? I saw a whole lot of nice TB mares go to kill the other day for $200 a pop and any of them would have been a better investment that this critter.)
Folks, the reason breeds like the Friesian developed the idea of APPROVALS was to keep culls from breeding on. This mare has CULL written all over her. She may be a kind sweet horse who can hold up to light riding (beats me what you’d saddle her with, I am thinking a bareback pad is as structured as you could get) but she has absolutely no business being pregnant and you folks who orchestrated that are doing the Friesian breed NO favors.
Here’s another brain donor.
“Needs New Home NOW!, $800, Mare, Chestnut, Age: 16, 15H, ASHA #121277, Foaled: 1991, **PRICE REDUCED TO $600 UNTIL 9-19-07** Mare is out in pasture, no feed!! She is losing weight, but will put it right back on. I am moving, and taking the horses with me (all the horses where I board are losing weight). Callie MUST GO NOW. Easy to handle on the ground, needs confident intermediate or better rider. She is blind in one eye, but she doesn’t act like it. Price is negotiable to good home. MUST GO!”
Must sell because I am too dumb to go to the feed store! Well, I guess that is a new one.
The next one came with such a GREAT comment by the person who submitted it that I am including it (the person’s comment is in blue)
Penny
Penny is a 7 year old mare who is reaady to drop a cult any day. She was breed to blizzard early may of last year, she is broke for any one to ride and guarantee a palamino colt. She has also been on many trail rides. She is 59 inches tall. Our price: $2,500.00
WHAT she’s dropping a CULT! now that is a trick! Maybe next year we can breed her back for a full blown religion!
FHOTD in: Classic.
Of course, this just led me to their web site where I observed that they also have a “philly” for sale. Then I saw the picture including the flabby fishbelly white shirtless guy, and went blind.
Our price: $1,500.00″
One thing about a skinny horse, you can see their bone structure clearly. This mare is proudly advertised as a branded Oldenburg. I’m the first to admit I don’t know a lot about warmbloods and am not sure if branding has any relationship to being approved, but I know what I like and this mare isn’t it. She’s got bad, bad post legs, an upright shoulder, a short neck, crooked forelegs, very short croup, tail set on as high as an Arab’s, she’s long, weak hip, and long, weak pasterns. Yes, she also needs 200 lbs. desperately. They blame her condition on a bad lease and that may be true, but #1 why photograph her for sale before you’ve returned her to health and #2 this is NOT a breeding quality mare in my book. But hey, she’s 5 years old and lame, so what else are they going to do with her? *headdesk*
In case there wasn’t enough impulsive breeding going on, now they are selling stallion breedings on ebay.
I love this picture as it shows both questionable parenting at work (“C’mon kids, crawl under the stallion’s belly for the picture, I want to PROVE how quiet he is!”) and the worst possible pose for this stallion.
Um, honey, your stallion has a shitty front end. He looks like Donald Duck. He is a cute little squirt otherwise and I have no doubt he is a nice, good tempered boy – he has that tolerant look on his face (much like an old school horse) – but if you insist upon breeding your mediocre horse, which I am sure you do, try photographing him from the side next time.
It might also be good to use his registered name when advertising him and not his barn name, which is apparently the name of a greek deity that you cannot spell.
Final note: I am playing e-mail tag with the person who knows the former owner of the mare from the sale and I do not know if she got in touch with the dealer or not. You will know something when I do.
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cuttinblood said, ” Well Trojon Lena Nic is an awesome horse trained by Dan Roeser”
That’s fine. I know some mustangs that were well-trained cowhorses, too. What about the rest of the horses in the pedigree?
CuttinBlood said…
Aynot said…
scaughtk8 said…
Feast your eyes on this:
http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1061452
She’s bred well. I wonder WTF happened there??????
She’s not THAT well bred. The good horses are three generations back. These people don’t breed for conformation, they breed for performance and bloodlines. THAT’S what happened there…
Well Trojon Lena Nic is an awesome horse trained by Dan Roeser
I will tell you exactly what happened.
Has Snip A Nic, her sire, done SHIT?
No.
Has her dam’s sire, Zans Toyota, done anything special? Not that I can find.
So you have someone breeding a mare with mediocre bloodlines to Tejons Lena Nic and getting a stud colt. Bummer. So what do you do to get a return on that investment? You stand him at stud, of course! Doesn’t matter if his legs are crooked, he’s ugly as sin and built like Franken-Horse… his SIRE is Tejons Lena Nic, for crying out loud, they’re gonna breed him!
So they buy up a rag-tag bunch of mares and allow a mish-mash of mares to be bred to him.
Billy Bob Joe Uncle Brother breeds his Zan Parr Bar/Orphan Drift (which is mostly roping breeding anyway) mare to a REINING bred (sort of… if you count that his DAD was a reiner and his mom was a grand daughter of Snipper Reed… big whoop…) and the result is horses like that filly.
It just goes to show that you can’t breed by pedigree alone. Just look at the shit that comes out of those foundation-bred breeding programs. You get foals like this:
http://tinyurl.com/2a3xcm
http://tinyurl.com/yuyktw
http://tinyurl.com/2347na
Way to go, producing junk with ‘foundation’ pedigrees… morons.
OFCOL, are you sure that first one isn’t a mule? LMAO.
oh_for_crying_out_loud said:
It just goes to show that you can’t breed by pedigree alone. Just look at the shit that comes out of those foundation-bred breeding programs.
Lots and lots and lots of shit. Lots. Gobs. Tons. An avalanche of average; a cornucopia of common.
Notice so many of these color FQH breeders are trying to sell/reduce/move their herds o’ crap because, with the onset of winter, they don’t want to feed the things any more.
And the best they can do is call these mares “producers” because they had foals, not because the foals were point or money earners. Producer, much in the same way a dairy cow produces milk. It’s simply a biological function.
They are flooding the market with common pleasure and trail horse prospects, completely ignoring the fact some nice horses are going for $200-300 at auction nowadays.
No, they want to make this someone else’s problem. They’ll keep churning out these not-so-special horses like widgets, but hope someone else takes them off their hands.
Did it ever occur to them if their horses were so freakin’ desirable, they wouldn’t have herd reductions? Guess not.
These horses all have good pedigrees, with big name horses up close. It proves that you can’t breed by pedigree as your first criteria and get guaranteed quality. Pedigree doesn’t guarantee a good quality horse.
http://tinyurl.com/yoz27t
Warning: Careful of this website. Turn your speakers off and close your eyes until the large file size photos are done loading. The twinkling, twirly, sparkly shit will blind you. Some people just don’t have the class to make websites.
Regarding the filly:
http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1061452
I know that she appears extremely downhill, long in the pastern and splay footed. Is there something I’m missing?
When you take her off the hill, her front end not closer to the camera, and her not turning and actually starting to move toward the camera, not pose her way camped under, and her not having a lot of weight on her right hind which makes her hip higher on that side… are we left with slightly butt high and semi long pasterns?
I’m not saying I’m right, but I’m wondering. I’m also not saying that she is particularly special or even above average. After messing with her picture a little, I just feel I am missing something.
>>>>>luckystarfriesians said…
I was hoping that one of your avid readers (of which I am also) that sent me the email to “STOP BREEDING” would inform me as to why they feel that I should. You left a email address that does not exist and a phone number with no area code. This is the information that was left for me; Lacey’s contact information:
Email address: xxhottopic5xx@ol.com
Phone number: 393-3438
I am hoping that she reads the comment section of your blog because I am curious as to what she has to say.
October 11, 2007 1:14 PM< <<<<
You’ve got some beautiful horses. Love your Rocky Mountain Stud.
I can attest for IRS being on the up and up here on the East coast. I have been involved with more than one inspection and can’t agree at all with the idea that they will approve anything that walks in. The farm who held the inspections is Hill Top Farm in Colora MD this is their site check it out. http://www.hilltopfarminc.com/….not only do they hold inspections but the house some of the nicest ISR Oldenburg approved stallions such as Riverman, who is my personal favorite as he was the nicest to work wiht in the breeding shed. I would def not consider anything about this sub standard.
forthefutureofthebreed said…
cuttinblood said, ” Well Trojon Lena Nic is an awesome horse trained by Dan Roeser”
That’s fine. I know some mustangs that were well-trained cowhorses, too. What about the rest of the horses in the pedigree?
I wasn’t saying that this horse is awesome and that she is the next best thing because her grandsire did something, I was saying that she had AT LEAST one horse in her pedigree that did something good closer then three horses back, Which in all honesty you said she has nothing good until you get three generations back.
FTFOTB said:
The twinkling, twirly, sparkly shit will blind you.
And make me dizzy, too. Unfortunately, the average-ness of the the appearance of their horses does nothing to overcome this.
No, their horses don’t have bad breeding at all at the second generation tier. But, again, they’re going with prospects that are not directly related to strong black type.
In the cutting or reining market black type is the do-all, end-all of your marketing program. Unless they’ve ridden and won on their own horses of their particular breeding program, second generation black type isn’t going to woo anyone in today’s market. That’s just a fact of life.
If they don’t have the finances to get these performance prospects out there, being shown and being competitive, they’re pretty much doomed in the cutting/reining breeding business. No one said it’s cheap, and no one said it’s fair – but it’s also non-negotiable from the buyer’s standpoint.
cuttinblood said, I wasn’t saying that this horse is awesome and that she is the next best thing because her grandsire did something, I was saying that she had AT LEAST one horse in her pedigree that did something good closer then three horses back, Which in all honesty you said she has nothing good until you get three generations back.
You said you didn’t understand what happened to her since she’s “well bred”. And I was saying her pedigree isn’t all that great, which explains a lot. Nearly all horses have SOMEONE recognizable in their immediate pedigree. This filly has TWO good horses in her three generation pedigree…Zan Parr Bar and Reminic. Other than that, she’s not anything special as far as breeding goes.
Behindthebarn, absolutely! Black type is everything, at least to a buyer. Black type means successful horses, in performance and production. There are different levels of black type, too. Unproven (and shitty looking) horses from black type families (a generation or more removed) means NOTHING in the cowhorse industry; an industry that is already flooded with mediocre crap. Add in crappy Tobiano to that mix, and you’re right, it’s a recipe for failure.
here are some pretty awesome Oldenburgs http://www.idealoffspring.com/
That toed out stallion I posted is a grandson of Zippo Pat Bars and Triple Te. Just goes to show that even good breeding does not always create a stellar individual, and that’s why it’s so important to geld the vast majority of colts.
Fantasia:
For the record when I posted the ad I wasn’t saying it was funny. I just couldn’t believe someone would post that, and I don’t really take it seriously. I saw that ad up about a year ago in the pre-fhotd era. I had mentioned it to people even then, a few of which contacted someone over it. Since the ad is still up, I imagine it must have been a joke or a sad plot to get free horses, as the ad wasn’t removed after police were involved. I came across it again, thought it was still the craziest ad I’ve ever seen, and posted it. Thats all.
fuglyhorseoftheday said…
That toed out stallion I posted is a grandson of Zippo Pat Bars and Triple Te. Just goes to show that even good breeding does not always create a stellar individual, and that’s why it’s so important to geld the vast majority of colts.
Exactly! Statistically, only the top 5% of any foal crop of colts is quality enough to remain a stallion. It doesn’t matter who their daddy is. LOL.
I raise Friesians..and that is not a Friesian.
Poor roach backed fugly horse. She actually does resemble a friend’s Percheron. That is one extreme roach backed animal.
Okay, that mare’s back is one of the scariest things I’ve ever seen. And I feel so bad for that poor chestnut mare. As far as the mare who is gonna drop a palomino cult, it can’t be definite unless they can test for these things (and since the man can’t seem to be able to afford a shirt, I’m gonna guess they can’t afford such testing). That mare’s a black base, so even if she was bred to a cremello she could still have a buckskin or smoky black.
FYI for “cryin out loud”
Zan Par Bar was World Champion Halter horse for 3 years, and went on to sire horses with outstanding performance ability. Many of the champion arena horses today are from his line. Not exactly one of those halter horses that couldn`t move out of his own way, huh???
I breed percherons and I breed friesians. Mare #1 looks percheron to me and its not doing MY breed any favors either. YUCK.
Okay, so I looked at Lucky Star’s page and wonder who commented. It’s really strange because I don’t find her horses fug or her practices irresponsible. Her stud is of really nice quality. He is “A” approved by his registry and she only breeds horses to approved Fresian studs. She only has a few foals for sale, so I am really confused.
What’s so fug?
By “A” Approved I automatically KNOW its not a Dutch Registered friesian. Period.
EquineAddiction said…
— I agree, FHOTD. You could even find an example of a purebred Percheron with such nice action… believe it or not.
Here’s an OK one… http://www.ontariopercherons.ca/images/pagemaster/EganBlackIceMovingawebb.jpg
The percheron stallion you posted, Black Ice is not even that nice of a percheron stallion either. Nice little guy but nothing compared to what else is out there. Until you’ve seen a Percheron hitch or halter horse people don’t realize how flashy and how much action these horses have. Check out http://www.pennwoodspercherons.com/ (See Stallions- Pleasant View King) THEY have some NICE stallions that I am honored to say that I own the same breed as. The percherons you see in peoples backyards do NO justice to the breed. Its not supposed to be just another plow horse. Percherons weren’t farm horses to begin with. They were war mounts and therefore had more action and more flexibility and movement then the Canadian and French bred ones you see today. Traditional percherons more closely resemble today’s American Hitch and Halter percherons.
He wouldn’t be a dutch registered Friesan because…well, he’s not Friesan, he’s a Rocky Mountain horse.
Her friesan mares are imported and registered, however.
For what it’s worth, I just did my research on roachbacks. The condition is called kryphosis and is in the same line as scoliosis. In humans it produces a humpback.
So, not genetic. Still wouldn’t breed the poor thing.
to quote FHD “good god, its homely”! that mare is so ugly i DO want her – i want to take her home and hide her from prying eyes, give her a decent, dignified life amongst other profanely ugly beings where shell feel at home. shes about as friesian as i am FFS. shes not even a nice COLOUR.
but for sheer takes-the-giddy-biscuit-ery, i can only scoff dismissively at the idea of a branded oldenburg. thats just turning on a big, flashing neon sign over your head that says TOO STOOPIT TO LIE GOOD. hint to the geniuses of the world – if youre trying to claim your horse is a ‘branded’ ANYTHING (when it clearly isnt) you might like to spend five minutes picking a registry that still practices branding. which the oldenburg verband has not for many years.
NB: of course, i was momentarily (ok, permanently and deliberately) blocking out that there are silly little american versions of the actual registries that attempt to fly under the same banner whilst maintaining none of the same standards, therefore its possible someone out there really does think thats an oldenburg. registered by idiots, for idiots, fully idiot approved and branded with our patented idiocy stamp. why not gather all your friends at the local youth centre, paint yourselves yellow, hold a bake sale and call it the KKK, for the all the resemblance to the original.
while were clearing things up, registries REGISTER (funny that) and also approve. those are the terms for the two things a registry does with horses. they dont ‘brand’ as a signifying factor of quality. a foal is registrable (or not) according to its pedigree, then later it may be approved (for breeding foals registrable with that registry) based upon performance (presented quality, not show record).
so a horse of any other breed or registry can be approved to breed within, for example, oldenburg, to produce foals capable of being registered as oldenburg. but that horse CANNOT be registered as oldenburg itself. it is granted a status that indicates it is of sufficient quality to add to the breed type as a whole – this does NOT mean the verband ‘registers anything’. this is how TB blood finds its way into warmblood registries – a horse is presented of such outstanding quality that its offspring, should they maintain and prove this quality, can be registered under that breed name. it doesnt change their blood, its a qualification. its a standard upheld, so that no horse of that breed name can EVER be crappy or produce crap (if you understand that a horse not registrable as oldenburg simply is NOT an oldenburg).
for comparison, this is an oldenburg.
http://www.sporthorse-breeder.com/Stallions/Donnerhall/donnerhall_photo.jpg
thats donnerhall. arguably THE oldenburg. could the owner of that… that.. THING shown in the post please stand up, take a long hard look and realise their own supremely offensive gumption that could claim their frankenhorse compares in ANY way?!
Hey, whoever slagged lucky star fresians from here, just wondering why? Of all the obvious targets to choose from, why pick on a breeder who appears to be doing it right?
So. Anybody else suspecting the owners of the deformed horse they “can’t bare to sell” previously tried the deplorable tactic of breeding their crap to a “name” or a “fantasy” breed so they could try to get her sold (and off their hands) as a package deal? I bet anyone a dollar that she dropped (or slipped) the foal, the trick didn’t work, so now she’s free to “good” home.
So many stallion owners offer a cheap price to grade mares or crossbreeders.
Sure, go ahead and hang a dick in your deformed mare, make sure it’s attached to a stallion that has something appealing to the market, even if in name only, then maybe you can unload the both of them before you find out whether she passed her deformity on to her foal. YUK!
“blackfluffyhorses said…
Tried to find the ad and found this
http://www.therighthorse.biz/Sales_AddHorses.html
Miss Camel – Grade Friesian Mare, sweet family horse, loves attention, easy to handle! Owner can’t bare to sell her so she decided to give her away. Her only fault is that she is roach back. Vet said her back is no for her health or for riding. Any level rider. Offered
FREE TO GOOD HOME ONLY.”
bwahahahahaaaa ‘go ahead and hang a dick’. classic. thats going straight on a tshirt and/or hollered out a car window.
Ah, gotcha. I heard “Lucky Star Friesians” and “”A” Approved” and went “WHAT?” lol I checked out their site, I’ve never personally heard of them as a friesian breeder… their mares are quite nice. They have nice movement for mares and good bone. They do promote crossbreeding and thats my only taboo with friesian people nowadays. I’ve been around friesians my entire life and my dad has had them since he lived in Holland, etc. I can’t help it… its in my blood, but also with good reason.
HOWEVER, if they are crossbreeding, at least the mares are nice and the stallion from what I know about Rockies looks pretty nice as well. I have nothing against them personally.
oldcowgirl said…
“FYI for “cryin out loud”
Zan Par Bar was World Champion Halter horse for 3 years, and went on to sire horses with outstanding performance ability. Many of the champion arena horses today are from his line. Not exactly one of those halter horses that couldn`t move out of his own way, huh???”
I just looked at the photo of Zan Par Bar, and he may have been a World Champion halter horse, but he still has a fairly long saggy topline. I can see why the filly in question has a terrible topline. Something like that can be bred away from IF you know what you are doing. This is a prime example of breeding pedigrees and not conformation. This guy has several 2 yr olds and all are related to the Zans Toyota horse. They ALL have TERRIBLE toplines. I saw the Zans Toyota horse a long time ago and his biggest claim to fame is that he was a decent local team penner. I believe he was a cull from Carol Rose’s ranch. The gal who had him originally bought him off a traveling dealer’s truck. This guy had picked up a load of Zan Par Bar colts off Carol Rose’s Ranch somehow, and was traveling across the country peddling them fairly cheap.
I too went to the Lucky Star Friesian’s site and they have very nice horses. Whoever dogged them about breeding shouldn’t have.
oldcowgirl said…
FYI for “cryin out loud”
Zan Par Bar was World Champion Halter horse for 3 years, and went on to sire horses with outstanding performance ability. Many of the champion arena horses today are from his line. Not exactly one of those halter horses that couldn`t move out of his own way, huh???
I am actually very well versed in the Zan Parr Bar line, since it has crossed so well with the line that the breeding program I’m affiliated with uses – Two Eyed Jack. What I CAN say about the Zan Parr Bar horses is that they are like the little girl with the little curl in the middle of her forehead: when they are good they are very very good, and when they are bad they are horrid.
He is very VERY well known as a broodmare sire. If you’ve got Zan Parr Bar in the dam line, it’s usually better than the sire line. USUALLY, not always. And this filly is an exception.
Zan Parr Bar, and Carol Rose who helped make him what he was, are two subjects I know quite a bit about.
And re: what Athena said…
Regarding the filly:
http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1061452
I know that she appears extremely downhill, long in the pastern and splay footed. Is there something I’m missing?
When you take her off the hill, her front end not closer to the camera, and her not turning and actually starting to move toward the camera, not pose her way camped under, and her not having a lot of weight on her right hind which makes her hip higher on that side… are we left with slightly butt high and semi long pasterns?
I’m not saying I’m right, but I’m wondering. I’m also not saying that she is particularly special or even above average. After messing with her picture a little, I just feel I am missing something.
I’m saying she is also rather ewe-necked and close behind. She is slightly over at the knees… I wonder if it’s from being overworked too young? That is a common fault among youngsters that have been made to bear weight/go too fast or far before they are ready.
This filly is a FANTASTIC example of mediocrity regardless of who is in your pedigree. Sure, she might make a riding horse… but for how long? And how good is she going to be with all those faults? I guarantee a horse with better hocks and more balance is going to come along and out-slide and out-spin her. That’s just basic math.
Something more about the Zan Parr Bar line:
Zan Parr Bar himself was somewhat long-backed. This didn’t slow him down, since it really was very close to being his only fault. When you only have one to overcome, it’s not too hard.
He was really one of the last great all-around quarter horses. Know why? They PROMOTED HIM in a bunch of different events. They just don’t do that now. It’s not necessarily that the horses can’t do it (at least SOME could), it’s that their owners don’t have the money to do it and that, if they have a good performer in one discipline, they might risk the horse’s repuatation if they try him at something else and he does poorly.
Carol Rose herself said it in the Legend’s article.
I personally like to see a Two Eyed Jack/ Zan Parr Bar horse crossed with some thoroughbred to make GREAT rope horses. Love ‘em.
Talk about funny adds…
This man wants to sell you a pint!
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/grd/446973388.html
and they want him to be kept on pasteur… so you better be very careful, pasteurized pasteur has to be very expensive…
Another broodmare, don’t let her crippled legs stop you! Too bad the breeders couldn’t afford the surgery to fix it when she was a foal so they sold her as a broodmare instead
http://fortcollins.craigslist.org/grd/448023972.html
If I had a spare $200 I would get her and put her down, poor mare. I saw a mare like this bred many times at a university until she finally couldn’t stand the pain anymore and had to be euthanized with a 3 m/o colt by her side, it was so sad.
That is AWFUL.
It is one thing to keep a crippled-because-of-unrelated-injury mare a broodmare… but it VERY MUCH QUITE ANOTHER THING to keep one that is GENETICALLY WRONG.
Cripes, that is terrible. Just awful.
I’d give them 50 bucks for her, or take her for free… and put the poor old girl out of her misery. That has to suck… imagine being made to carry a foal, when you can barely walk yourself.
The person who kept her, but didn’t fix her legs should be shot, as should the guy who is selling her. Why on earth do people put animals through this pain? I mean, literally, no one should SHOOT them, but they should never, every be able to own an animal again!
Here it goes . . .
I agree with others that LSF looks like a nice place where the horses are very happy, safe, and well cared for. The stallion is even ridden (bravo!).
Here is my question . . . the stallion and farm is being praised, when every foal is a crossbred that will not be recognized by a “legitimate” registry.” Lay aside the fact that these are well put together foals who look like they will have an excellent foundation (handling, manners, training) when they join a new home. We can find many posts on this blog chastising anyone who even thinks of letting semen get within 1,000 feet of their mare, no matter the quality of both parents and the program of the farm/breeder involved. I am surprised no one has attacked LSF stating she is creating horses for slaughter and needs to rescue and save the unwanted ones, instead of breeding her sporthorses.
As for LSF – KEEP IT UP! You are responsible breeders (from what I can see) and I get the impression you feel a responsibility to the foals you put on the ground. I am sure each one is well-handled and will become productive members of horse society. Thank you for showing what responsible crossbreeding is.
Remember the young lady with the trainer who had the TB mare, and was looking for a stallion? For the most part, she was chastised for even allowing that thought into her head – and this is without knowing anything about the mare or program she would be in. Can you imagine the educational value in showing new riders (and seasoned ones) the responsibilities involved in bringing up a new equine citizen?
I fully understand the desire to speak out against breeding at all – the number of unwanted and neglected horses is absolutely overwhelming. There is something to be said, though, about bringing responsible breeders, such as LSF, to light – without the ignorance of statements like the one she received. We can’t just make blanket statements about breeders when there are so many responsible ones out there. Not only do we need to show the wrong way, but the right way as well. FHOTD did this in her “Half wits breeding half breds.”
For all of you who are strongly opposed to breeding (crossbreds, purebreds, Friesians, sporthorses, anything!) I would like to hear your opinion on responsible breeders/horseowners producing foals . . . Although, I am not sure if many of you are left, since so many of the posts seem to be deleted now.
I’ve noticed a lot of people in animal rescue are 100% anti-breeding. I’ll never be one of them. The fact is, buying a top quality animal – whether it’s a horse, a cat or a dog – does not “take a home away from” a shelter pet. The person who buys top quality wants top quality and ONLY top quality. They are not going to adopt a pit/sharpei/lab/chow mix because you make it too hard to find a purebred irish setter.
Now the crossbred question – I’ve posted pix of crossbreds I like in the past. When someone who has (a) a trainer and (b) the resources to compete breeds crossbreds, it’s a very different thing than when Suzy BYB breeds crossbreds. If you breed a show winning TB to a show winning Arab and get a fancy Anglo-Arab – hey, more power to you. There’s a market for that. The problems come in when Suzy BYB breeds a TB that didn’t race because he broke down in training to the Arab her uncle bought at the auction for $75, and then – even if the foal turns out decent by some miracle – fails to train or promote the foal so that the end result is Suzy getting financially overwhelmed and everybody from the TB stud to the Arab mare to the baby going to the auction. Same cross, very different outcome based upon the quality of the parents.
You will note that I did not bash on the girl who had the trainer with the TB. I haven’t seen the horse. The horse has, to our information, competed successfully. The horse may be a perfectly valid broodmare candidate. The Frecheron with the humpback and the scary post-legged Oldenburg, not so much.
As for Lone Star Friesians (who I’ve never mentioned on the blog and I am not sure how they got involved), they have some beautiful Friesians in lovely condition, they are competing successfully with their stallions in a discipline appropriate to the breed (dressage), and all horses appear to be in stellar condition. I very much like their Clydesdale mare, from what I can see..and you all know what I think of Parelli training so I will not rehash that. I am not at all sure how Parelli and dressage exist in the same barn, but then again, as I have observed before, there are people who like peanut butter and banana sandwiches. Some things, I am just never going to get.
I just can’t fathom breeding a horse with an obvious genetic deformity.
Not ever.
I know a mare who is absolutely the most crippled horse I’ve ever seen in real life… her knee turns IN and operates as such, from side to side… but it was from a terrible accident, not from a genetic mishap.
All I can say is… if the foal is normal, I hope it’s a colt and they geld it so the ‘buck stops there’… and he doesn’t pass on all sorts of suprises to further generations.
I just seen this mare Sunday! I was told she was 4, a Percheron, and bred to a Freesian cross. He was also present. I was told that she was born that way, not in any pain and they ride her. She looked like she was in pain. I was told that she had went to auction and no one wanted her so a gal rescued her. It is at the same ranch, that little girl was there hitting a little 3 month old shetland in the face. It is the same place, In the Watsonville area. This add was from 2007, right? They bred everything there. EVERYTHING!