Today’s Craigslist train wreck.
“6 year old bay unregistered Quarter Horse Stallion for sale. He is halter broke and has a saddle and bridle on him but not ridden. He is a very sweet and quiet stallion. He is an excellent herd stallion and has produced some really pretty babies. The pictures below him are a couple of his 2007 foals. I am only selling him because I need to cut back on the number of horses I own.”
Check out that topline and hip. This one is really special. You can’t quite see his legs in the weeds but I do believe he’s waaaay back at the knee also. People, people. If it’s worth $300, it’s NOT a stallion. How can anybody think that breeding this fuuugly critter was a good idea?
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Today’s Craigslist train wreck.
I would really like to know what dictionary these people are using. This thing really couldn’t possibly produce a ‘pretty’ foal. I wonder what it means in byb-ese
I’m embarrassed to say that I think they mean Caldwell, Alberta. Ugh. WHY can’t these idiot BYBs realize that they are perpetuating the horse slaughter problem by putting more worthless, poorly conformed foals on the ground?
This horse only has a few conformation faults…
#1 Roach back
#2 Back at the knee
#3 Plain head
#4 Goose Rump
#5 Sickle Hocks
#6 Generally weak conformation
#7 Ewe Neck
#8 Unregistered….
The ONLY qualification this horse to be a stallion is being born MALE.
wow..he’s like..short..and..round?? LOL…
lord some folks are just too niave and delusional..
Dontyouridenofuglyhorse, you forgot cow hocked, which comes clear when you see the next photo from behind.
It looks like someone shoved him up the rear end with a bulldozer and put some weird kink in his loins. That’s the worst roach back I’ve ever seen.
That has to be the worst topline I’ve ever seen on a horse, and my best friend has a swaybacked pinto gelding. If you drew a picture of that topline, no one would believe it.
Forthefutureofthebreed will you email me?
Yeah Wendy I was going to put that on there and add what appear to be weak pasterns. If you look at the ad, the tobiano filly has his same weak nasty hind end.
Craigslist is too depressing right now. I routinely just pull up the “Farm & Garden” category for our area to see what’s for sale, and right now it’s a buffet of awfulness with people trying to get rid of “surplus” horses. The average asking price seems to be from $2,000 to $5,000…for animals that look like they’d be worth it if somebody moved the decimal over one place. It just makes me crazy.
I have a good friend that just adopted a mustang that looks just like that stallion. At least the mustang has an excuse.
That’s like saying K-Fed is a good potential father specimen. Uhm…NOT SO MUCH.
Wow, I can’t say that I’ve ever seen a roach back that impressive before.
This sucker is better off as a barbecue than as a stallion.
Wow. Now isn’t that priceless.
Anyone wonder if maybe the reason he’s so quiet is cause he has a herd to breed??????
I bet he becomes a totally different stallion once taken away from his ladies.
Wanna see another stud that SHOULD NOT BE BREEDING? Check out http://www.thunderstruckstables.com I’ve seen this horse in person and while yes, he is quiet, he’d make a much better gelding. Honestly, if your horse can’t even win his (small) halter class at a measly county fair, should it be reproducing?
Shetlandponyluvr – Did you have a chance to check out the foals page. The first one listed is by this stallion (overo) and out of an over mare. Correct me if I am wrong, but aren’t these people playing OLW russian roulette?
People wonder why we take on BYB’s and this is just a prime example. Crappy horse + stupid people = more horses going to slaughter.All the people against slaughter should be giving these folks proper hell for adding to the problem .
LOL. “Herd sire”. It’s funny to read BYB’s descriptions of their horses because most wouldn’t know what the terms mean. They’ve just read or heard them somewhere and think if they apply the terms to their program, it makes their program appear successful, too.
I’ve also seen the term, “Out of the good mare, so-and-so”, like that is supposed to mean something. “Good mare”, in their case, means a do-nothing, produced-nothing mare, whereas when used by a truly successful breeder, it meant a successful, producing mare whose foals had value. I think these people attend too many Saturday night auctions looking for breeding stock.
carrie,
that is caldwell texas, not alberta. i do not know the horse or ranch, but it is near where i board my mare. i recognized the late summer goatweed, and opening the craiglist, it was from college station, which is the sister city from where i live. 30 minutes away from caldwell.
what is sad is that there are many wonderful QH stallions in this area that are available for the breeding of some excellent ranch horse stock.
Dear FHOTD, I QUIT!!! I give up!! After all my posturing about the wonderfulness of my fellow Morganites, I discover a Craigslist ad for a “free morgan mare.” Admittedly she looks okay, plump and not starving, advertised as a safe kids or hubby horse, and “owner/giver” wants first right of refusal if new owner can’t keep, so not quite as bad as most Craigs listings, but good grief. If my inn wasn’t full…..
I am happy to say that this has gotten the ears up on the regular Morgan lists and I think this gentle beast will have a new home very very soon if not already.
Farmers-Wife, trust me, it’s just how I feel when I hear that someone has dumped a polo pony. We would all like to keep the assholes out of our pet disciplines/breeds, but sadly, there are too many assholes to go around!
He’s a stud because they are too fucking cheap to geld him and too lazy or stupid to train him to do anything. His man bits need to go immediately then someone could maybe make a trail horse out of him.
Speaking of Craigslist, here is the first farm & garden ad in my town today…maybe the word on HYPP is getting out? Anyone here responsible for this
http://dallas.craigslist.org/grd/441756861.html
Wow, that’s one way to get the HYPP news out!
Farm Wife,
If need be; if you’re pretty sure you can find a place for her before foaling, I’ve got an empty stall (if she’s an outsider, better still). She’d have to be UTD & vetted, the quarantine barn is currently “reused”.
Came across this site the other day. Maybe all these BYB’s should try their skills on this website before breeding for real.
Howrse
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Create your horses, breed them and make them the best! Take responsabilities and manage an equestrian center!
Join us for free and play on Howrse, create your first horse or pony, choose his/her breed, coat, name and find out all his/her capacities. Look after him/her and make him/her the best. Then you will have the chance to become the best breeder
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• improve their skills with training and rides,
• win competitions and rank your horses among the best,
• cover your mares and extend your breeding farm!
I used to play that game heaps, til I saw the big problem with it. It encourages BYBing. On Howrse you can breed anything, non-stop, day after day. What do you do if they don’t sell? Nothing. They just rot away in the back of your ‘stables’. What a way to teach kids how to be a BYB.
forthefutureofthebreed said:
“Herd sire”. It’s funny to read BYB’s descriptions of their horses because most wouldn’t know what the terms mean. They’ve just read or heard them somewhere and think if they apply the terms to their program, it makes their program appear successful, too.
You know darn well where they’re seeing that crap! It’s in the ads for all these production sales the FQH breeders have every year.
These ranch raised horses have no get or produce to boast about, so everything is represented as so-and-so’s “good usin’” mare or stallion (as if you know or care who the hell so-and-so even is), because anyone reading pedigrees has never heard of the MF. Instead, it’s some down-home folksy term they throw around to intimate the horse actually served a purpose at some point in its life (other than a breeding receptacle), and was capable of performing that purpose. And that purpose was probably what most people commonly refer to as “trail horse”.
Yeah, like that’s some exotic shit you got there, buddy.
The overwhelming majority of horses advertised as herd sires have done nothing more than impregnate other animals, to increase the population of a herd of fuglies to be sold for whatever amount of money they can bring at some annual production sale.
The likes of Hank Wiesecamp had herd sires. Mr. BYB wouldn’t know a herd sire if it bit him in the ass; he simply owns a stallion he lets breed everything on his place, hoping he can sell enough offspring to buy peanut butter, gas, and catch a pay-per-view on cable once in awhile.
jsommer said…
Shetlandponyluvr – Did you have a chance to check out the foals page. The first one listed is by this stallion (overo) and out of an over mare. Correct me if I am wrong, but aren’t these people playing OLW russian roulette?
Not all overos carry the Lethal White gene. And you have a better chance of getting overo color by breeding overo to overo as it is recessive to the tobi coloring.
In any case, I’d rather have a broodmare who is a lethal white carrier than one who’s N/H, as I can just breed her to a tested negative stallion and still end up with a live, happy, perhaps colored baby.
I clicked on the link to the dallas craigslist site (something about HYPP) but the post was removed. But lookie here, another braniac:
help!!!!!!!!!!!!!braking are horse
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Reply to: sale-441206474@craigslist.org
Date: 2007-10-05, 6:31PM CDT
we need advise or help braking are 2 year stud 1/2 missouri troutter 1/2 paint we brought him 6 months ago we love him but ready to brake him we went as for as a saddle on him that was easy now were ready to ride. thank you reeddebby5@aol.com
I found this on craigslist today. Thought you might enjoy….
http://kitchener.craigslist.org/grd/417872936.html
Second paragraph makes me hurt a little.
OMG guys I actually found something GOOD on craigslist today. This website!
http://www.thepaintingpony.com/index.htm
Hilary…. the first paragraph too. How fricken young was she when she was bred?
Again, ya can’t fix stupid. That ad for “braking” a horse made my eyes bleed. Gaaaaaa.
We must be accomplishing something, somewhere. I’m starting to notice that a lot of the Craig’s list postings get pulled down once they make it here.
Maybe the word is starting to get out? I know, I’m an optimist….
Behindthebarn – Right on the money. LOL. You know, we’re country folk, live away from the city, love being a bit self-sufficient, but some of those people just make me sick. I haven’t been able to figure out if they’re actually really ignorant as hell, or they’re really smart, but play dumb. Always the optimist and try to have faith in human beings, and hopefully they’re just nice, stupid people. LOL.
“Speaking of Craigslist, here is the first farm & garden ad in my town today…maybe the word on HYPP is getting out? Anyone here responsible for this
http://dallas.craigslist.org/grd/441756861.html“
Posting was flagged for removal! What did it say?
Dear SHOVELS, I haven’t had time to look at my Morgan lists yet, but the mare’s still listed on Craigs Portland OR, #440157387–free mare. Pix isn’t horrible so maybe there’s a nice girl under that chestnut coat. Will look on Morgan chat to see what the scuttlebutt is. Where are you located?
Forget who mentioned this but there are 3 “overo” patterns all inherited separately. Sabino (be prepared perhaps for more division there!), splash and frame/LWOS.
Frame IS lethal white. You can’t have one without the other. You must test their DNA to know for sure. Breeding two heterozygous frames (the only frames there are) has a 25% chance of a LWOS foal (i.e. dead in a couple days). So it is russian roulette and any breeder who wants to make money does NOT breed two heterozygotes together. In order to increase your chance for color you breed to another overo pattern.
Overo is not recessive to tobiano, all the pinto patterns are inherited as dominant (more or less, sabino is MUCH more complicated but regardless it only takes one to get some sabino markings). So if you don’t want tobiano just don’t breed to one! They are incredibly hard to NOT recognize as tobiano does not hide very well (it can and does but most people who make an effort to know patterns can see it). So just avoid tobianos and toveros.
Tovero is tobiano plus one or more over patterns. The horse can carry ALL of the patterns at the same time leading to some wild toveros or just a white horse.
Not all white foals are lethal white, many are maximum white sabinos or toveros. Which is why it is important to know the LWOS status of your breeding stock so you don’t go knocking a perfectly healthy white foal in the head! =) You’d be amazed at how many have been killed because they just assumed they’d die. Conversely the so called surviving LWOS foals are not LWOS at all, they are maximum whites! No LWOS foal survives.
I loved the Painting Pony! I have a 1/2 arab who loves to pick things up and needs to have a toy to play with or he will find something to tear up for entertainment. I feed him in a hard plastic tub on the ground, and he brings it to me at feeding time, because it is never where I left it.
oh my… check out the legs on that “pretty” paint cross foal… It won’t be so pretty when it’s dead lame before it’s tenth birthday…
PaintJunkie said…
I have a good friend that just adopted a mustang that looks just like that stallion. At least the mustang has an excuse.
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Please explain why such an asinine “mustang” statement.
Caldwell/College Station- What more can be said about Texas?
For those of you who are knowledgeable and nearby, this does nothing for the image.
Farm Wife,
Go west, young lady, go west!
Try emailing me here:
morganfreemare@yahoo.com
HOLY ROACHBACK!
horseandhounds – I am kicking myself for not copying the text! It was basically a unbiased, scientific (but not complicated) explanation of what HYPP is and how it is inherited. I loved that it was explained soundly, concisely, and correctly without being preachy. I hope they re-post it.
I was going to a the long-winded genetics-geek explanation of lethal white, but summerhorse got there first.
phe, you should never breed two horses you even SUSPECT of carrying frame overo toegther, like what these people are doing. As someone has mentioned here before, it makes absolutely no sense because you have an equal chance percentage-wise of producing a SURVIVING frame-marked foal when you breed a frame to a non-frame as you do when you breed frame to frame.
GAH. The human race depresses me sometimes.
A lot of the time, actually.
(back after going offline during the move to uni!)
Gads, here’s another high quality stud *eye roll*
http://horsetopia.horse-for-sale.org/classifieds/ad234402
This horse should lose his man bits immediately. Check out his babies. Eeek.
But dang he’s a bargain at $900.
Kyani said:
phe, you should never breed two horses you even SUSPECT of carrying frame overo toegther, like what these people are doing.
Phe said previously:
In any case, I’d rather have a broodmare who is a lethal white carrier than one who’s N/H, as I can just breed her to a tested negative stallion and still end up with a live, happy, perhaps colored baby.
We are not disagreeing here. Perhaps I should have been more clear on my semantics.
Excuse my extended abscence, a family emergency arose…
but…
…the only reason a person would breed this animal is out of SHEER STUPIDITY AND/OR GREED.
That’s IT, that’s ALL… there IS no other reason.
I’m not saying ‘shoot him’, i’m saying ‘geld him and give him a job’… though I doubt with his poor conformation he’d last long at anything.
WHY do people breed unregistered AND unproven horses?
WHY do people breed shitty-conformed horses to start with?
God, if you’re listening, answer these questions… because I am SO lost on this… people just keep doing it and the horses just keep dying and keep suffering and keep going through the auction… I’ll never understand it.
I have always wondered why it is not possible to ‘spay’ mares-would a hysterectomy operation be too much of a strain for an animal of that size? I have heard of some sort of injection that can be given that works a little liek the Pill in humans-that may just be a rumour though.