Five Gazillion Served, Just This Year!
Sep 25 2007
A friend of mine made what I consider to be the Best Comment Ever about some horse rescues on another board today. Allow me to quote:
“They like sitting around and saying I saved X many horses. If they could they probably would put a sign out front like Mickey D’s.”
She goes on to point out that those who are into the numbers game are the same ones who get in over their heads and then wind up whining for help all over the Internet, or worse yet, wind up getting raided by Animal Control. They are the ones who will later excuse the rain rot and the thrush and the low body condition scores and the bad feet by whining that they’re a rescuuuuuuue and they don’t have any heeeeelp and it’s so haaaaard and hay is so expensive…
*passes out cheese to go with whine…*
Well, you know how you deal with high prices and needing help? It’s called getting a J-O-B. Possibly more than one. Many of you who spend your time whining all over the Internet for money somehow think that having 10 or 20 horses at home is a full time job. Um, no. Having 10 or 20 horses at home means you have to get up at 5 AM before work and feed, and it means that after you come home at night, you have feeding and cleaning and doctoring and perhaps exercising to do. It is not easy. It is exhausting. But it is also a choice. No one is holding a gun to your head forcing you to rescue horses.
Of course, you have to WANT to get a job (or at least accept that you don’t have a choice in the matter!). I notice a lot of rescuers are on disability a.k.a. “leeching off our tax dollars.” Here’s one report from a visitor to Choctaw Ridge rescue in Missouri: “I heard Beverly mention that they were going to have to postdate a check to pay for hay and that she was counting on her disability check to cover what she was planning on buying at the next stock sale on April 29th. My friend and I were both thinking that she should forget the sale and put the money toward some quality feed and foot trimming for all of the ones we saw.” Touche. And ya know what, if you’re healthy enough to stand around in pictures holding various horsies, YOU ARE HEALTHY ENOUGH TO WORK. Stop cheating the taxpayers and get off your duff!
Now we need to address what proper rescue is. Again, usual disclaimer, this is my opinion. You may feel free to disagree. I think rescue means rescuing for life. By that I mean that you don’t just overpay a killer buyer to gain a horse’s freedom and then scream all over the Internet “WE SAVED HIM FROM THE TRUCK!” and bask in the glow of your gullible donors telling you what an “angel” you are. Instead, you actually make your very best effort to fix everything that’s wrong with Punkin and make sure he’s still in a good home ten years later!
1. First of all, stop financing the kill buyers, you fools! Rescue straight from the auction, the prices are 1/3 what you pay Chuck Walker and Charlie Carter and guys like them, who have got your number and are laughing all the way to the bank. Or rescue from Craigslist and the local papers. Plenty of free horses there who need your help. Plenty coming off the racetracks too – often for free. LOPE in Texas puts out alerts on free TB’s quite frequently. They can hook you up for sure. It is not hard at all to find a rescue project, and you should not have to pay more than $300 for one EVER.
2. Second of all, you need to do ALL the vet work and get the feet done and evaluate the behavior/riding potential BEFORE, BEFORE, BEFORE you adopt out. You lazy jackasses who just flip horses left and right and send unhandled stock to people who have no freakin’ clue how to manage something more complicated than their 15 year old AQHA gelding or horses with severe health issues to novice horsepeople…you suck. You are not rescuing those horses. You are merely pocketing money as you set them up for a detour where they wind up hurting someone or their health issues go untreated out of ignorance and eventually they go right back on another double-decker. This is NOT rescue. The horse on the left is shown as confiscated from a “rescuer.” Yeah, good job there. Asshole. (To clarify, Blaze’s Tribute, which rehabbed this horse later, is a good rescue. They got him from an A.C. seizure from a bad rescue.)
3. Third, you need to have a CONTRACT. I am amazed at the number of rescue horror stories I hear where the rescue has to admit they did not get a contract before handing the horse off to the horse neglecter/horse abuser/bestiality practitioner. My God people, this is basic. Get a contract, preferably one drafted by a lawyer. Get it signed by an adult, before the horse goes anywhere out of your sight.
4. Fourth, you need to SITE CHECK. And see, I know you people who are adopting out 300 horses a year probably aren’t doing that. Maybe one or two rescues like that, particularly well staffed ones, have devised a system to accomplish this – but most of you have not. You accept photographs (could be the neighbor’s property) or references (hey, Susie, when they call, tell them my place is a showplace and make sure you don’t mention those two horses Animal Control took last year!) over checking things out yourselves. And so horses go off to barbed wire hell with a pond for water and some moldy hay that was on sale for $1.50 a bale. Again, this is not rescue.
5. Fifth, you need to FOLLOW UP. Again, this means getting off your butt and going for a visit. And if you see things aren’t right, you have to put on your Big Girl pants and request changes, and if your instructions aren’t followed, repo the horse per your contract This means making sure that you are not already so overwhelmed that you cannot possibly take the horse back because you have no place to put him. Any rescue horse should be considered as a potential boomerang. If you cannot or will not take back a horse you have adopted out, that’s not rescue.
Now, potential adopters, it’s also up to you to use your head. Just because something has a 501(c)(3) does NOT mean it is a good rescue! Here’s a lovely pic of conditions at Sleepy Hollow Horse Rescue in Washington State. Sleepy Hollow HAD their 501(c)(3). It bears noting that the treasurer of SHHR who used to host their web site at her personal domain is now president of Columbia Basin Equine Rescue, another 501(c)(3). (More info here) The bad rescuers NEVER get out of business…they change their location and name but the b.s. continues. (Much like sleazy used car dealers). I can name two rescuers in my immediate area who are being investigated by Animal Control and I’m praying they lose every one of their horses – it’s a long time coming in both cases. And that’s just my area. Good God, people. Here’s a clue, if Animal Control is on your doorstep and it’s not to drop off a horse and thank you profusely for your help, then you’ve become part of the problem.
Of course it’s hard to say no. I rescue on a small scale and right now, I cannot take a horse. I am at capacity with horses that must be permanent residents due to physical issues. However, I help network horses, I’ll haul if needed, I’m going to be doing some training for another rescue, and I’ve done a follow up visit on a previous placement just today. There are a lot of ways to help without taking on another horse when you know you cannot afford it/do not have room for it.
I’m sure someone will take this post as bashing rescues, but I’m not at all. I’m saying USE YOUR HEAD…don’t patronize a bad rescue any more than you patronize a backyard breeder. They are equally bad news. If you want to rescue a horse, go to your local auction OR choose a rescue that can tell you everything about the horse you’re considering, including the results of a vet exam after his rescue. Instead of being offended if a rescue checks you out thoroughly, be appreciative of the fact that this is a rescue that actually cares where the horse goes and is not just looking for you to write them a check and get another horse out of their hair. If you have money to donate, choose a rescue that is very public about their financials and where the money goes. Do a little research, just as with buying from a breeder – don’t pitch your money at some sloth who doesn’t want to get a job just because the pictures on their web site look pretty and the stories make you cry!
Hey, you morons at Carsley Horse Ranch and Rescue? RESCUERS DON’T RIDE FOALS! For fuck’s sake, are you smoking crack down there? This baby’s back end looks bad enough! ARE YOU PEOPLE COMPLETELY INSANE???
This is our Grand Prize Award Winner for today though. Meadow Haven Horse Rescue . As an alert reader points out (bullets are hers):
* They are a 501 3c horse rescue facility.
* They take in horses and ponies of any breed or mix.
* They CREATED their own TWO registries to then put select rescued ponies in. No, I’m not kidding.
1) American Pocket Pony
2) Standard Pocket Pony
* Their “assistant trainer” as they call him, is 5 years old. (I think you’d call him a guinea pig)
* They then BREED these mixed ponies to sell the offspring, or sell the now “registered” ponies for a PROFIT.
” A portion of the profit goes to “feed the rescue horses”.
* They also charge for anyone to register their ponies in these new registries, hence making more money.
* They ALSO breed CKC registered Dachsunds and sell them to “fund the horse rescue”!! They sell the pups online via paypal and will ship them by plane. (In case you did not know, the CKC lets you register ANY dog as long as you sign a paper that says you “swear” it’s purebred!!!! You can print the form right from the CKC web site…I did.) In other words, they are also a backyard breeder of mutts too!! But with a good cause of course!!
I agree with my alert reader. Although I am not opposed to a rescue sharing quarters with a legitimate breeding or training operation, WTF is a pocket pony? These people are just breeding mutt ponies and not very good looking ones at that. Not to mention the Crackerjack Kennel Club registered doxies. I will let their own words speak for themselves (with my comments in blue, of course!)
“We are now on 58 acres (mostly underwater per pics on the front page of the site) but we are still limited as to how many horses we can accept because we are lacking fencing at this time. (That’s because we are also lacking jobs and lacking any motivation to acquire jobs. Hot tape and t-posts are cheap, you twits.) We average 2 new horses a week and have to turn away just as many because we do not have stalls or pastures area to rehabilitate them in. We are opening a building fund for anyone who would like to contribute. At present only 10 acres are fenced and we do not have a barn, only 2 run in shelters. (Because god forbid you have the good judgment to wait to rescue 2 new horses a week until you have the proper facilities first) Since we rely entirely on donations we need your help! (Why do you rely entirely on donations? Too lazy to get a job or too stupid? I think Mickey D’s will take just about anybody with a pulse. Give it a shot!) If you can donate to our building fund, we can happily give you a tax reciept so you can get a tax break at the end of the year (please check with your acountant to find out more), as we are a non- profit 501 c 3 corporation. We have an attorney who can help you with this bequest anything you may like to donate. ” (You sound smart enough to get jobs, even if you can’t spell ‘receipt.’ You sure do understand tax breaks! Amazing how you can afford an attorney but not fencing, isn’t it?)
*sigh* Ridiculous. I could keep writing this post all night but I’ll stop here…
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ok wait as minute, if the “asshole” FORCED her to put a kid on the foal then did he FORCE her to take a picture of it and did he then FORCE her to post it on the internet??
that chick on one peice a fuckin shit twat-waffle…
Barnibus. This was my reply to her when she wrote that garbage.
WOW what a LOVELY mouth for someone who runs a “rescue”. Please do not insult my intelligence. I KNOW what a foal looks like lady. That is a YOUNG foal. And secondly your “ex” put the kids on the foal, but who put the picture on your website? Was that him too? NO horse should be sat on until at LEAST 2 and not ridden until 3. I don’t go to auctions for the simple fact I will want to bring them all home. I would NOT however, promote myself as a rescue then put children on foals and let them ride underweight horses who clearly need rehabilitation first. So I am a BITCH for pointing out your wonderful “rescue” and “horsemanship” skills? Report me for what? The fact I care enough to out you on the fact you have no business running a rescue? I have been in horses long enough to know better and you should too. A liquidation “sale” of “RESCUES”., NO ONE who is a legitimate rescue, liquidates horses. EVER. They keep them until the RIGHT adopter comes along. And if they don’t, well the horse stays with the rescue until a person DOES come along, OR until death. Did you think buying a horse at auction was going to earn you a quick dollar? You don’t buy horses at auction and turn them over for profit. Those horses need medical, dental, farrier, weight etc. done BEFORE they are suitable for adoption. Please get with the program lady and do the world some good, and STOP “rescuing” horses. There are GOOD, legitimate rescues out there for that and even people like me who will take in unwanted horses when the need arises. It is “rescues” like you who end up needing their horses rescued. I rescued a horse once and she cost me $3000 before she ended up being HUMANELY euthanized 4 months later. So DO NOT assume I am a animals rights activist screaming at you. I KNOW what I am talking about. Apparently, you DO NOT.”
Uh…..ApHC hardship registers GELDINGS only, so she could NOT have hardship registered that horse with ApHC. I don’t know of ANY Appy registry that registers STALLIONS with no pedigree. Only colored geldings.
Here is a future rescue in the making.
http://dallas.craigslist.org/grd/413165878.html
I’d reply and tell them if they cannot afford to pay for a horse they cannot afford to keep one, but I am afraid I cannot be nice enough. Anyone else care to try?
in 2005 I rescued an extremely obese and pregnant pony from Columbia Basin Equine Rescue. She came un handled and heard horror stories of the conditions from my hauler. I had her shipped from Washington to California and tha hauler said that the volunteers were practically beating the pony pony into the trailer. We had vet work done and had asked to have her quarinitied prior to her getting shipped out as my barn did not have a seperate area for her to stay as it is a training center. They apparently did not do as asked, as 3-5 weeks later she came down with strangles and the entire barn was shut down for a month and a half, right smack in the middle of show season. The pony’s colt was born about 4 days into the outbreak and thankfully, by some miracle did not catch it. I am happy i rescued the mare (who is currently living in a pasture hanging out with retired race horses and baby sitting newly weaned babies) but I would never rescue again or even reccomend CBER to anybody wanting to save a horse.
OOPS my bad. I meant ApHC. Dunno how I got the A in there. YEs I know this and so do we, but apparently she does not. She must think that we will believe her crock of crap story. Too bad for her I am not one of the stupid or gullible when it comes to horses..
OI VEY! Sounds like a few of these people need to reed your ‘Horses are a Luxury’ blog!
Keep up the good work Fugs! We are ‘Army Strong’ behind you in full force.
I know of another ‘rescue’ whose wish list page here:
http://www.mudponygallerie.builderspot.com/page/page/1870072.htm
it shows them begging for rent money and also for money to buy the property they are on, while they build another facility up north in cooler weather. I believe they are also looking for donations to pay the contractors for that too.
Can I get some donations too, since I also rescue on a small scale and take in a few horses, but not more than the budget allows? We could sure use a tractor and some fencing, new tack, a gooseneck, and the list could go on if your pockets are deep, and everyone is feeling generous…
Oh, silly me I forgot- WE NEED HAY because WINTER is coming. Just like it does every year! But somehow this one is going to sneak up on us all… SHHHHHH! *Just Snarking* We have jobs that pay for the hay and care for our horses. All 13 of them!
There was another ‘rescue’ down near Tucson, ‘Buck-Off’ who claimed the horses could jump, if they had at some point managed to make it over the low hanging strands of barbed wire.
Once they were loose they had access to the main road where they could easily be hit by a speeding car!
Water? Well they had those wonderfully sturdy rubbermaid totes to drink the 1 inch of water on the bottom from.
While they were trying to rescue horses from the auctions and slaughter (which was legal at the time) they were certainly in over their heads.
The oldest girl of the bunch (3)was about 18. They did at least have jobs, and were trying to make a difference, but obviously not quite going about it the right way.
They were trying to buy one, get it rehabbed and sold to fund buying/saving/rescuing another one. In case they missed it, they needed to sell the horse(s) they had before buying any more.
They also could have improved the living/stall conditions of where they were putting the horses, (again) before bringing any home.
As for riding a foal,of any age/breed, let alone one that is obviously that young, you and your ignorant kids should be slapped upside the head. Maybe a cruelty charge for the parents would make them think twice about encouraging the kids to do it again. What are they teaching them other than to start ‘em young? Which we all know is such a good idea. WTGPOTY!
Regalsin: “loading the bitch slap hand” — I am adopting that term!! with your permission.
I have rescued one horse, via purchase. We had been led to believe he was 19 and had some real arthritis problems, by the folks who managed the trail riding business where Merlin, our rescuee, was enslaved.
Now, don’t get me wrong; I believe a horse needs a job, and I have no problem with horses being “used” to do a job. But these horses received no vaccinations, no dental care, almost no farrier care. At night they stood in a filthy, dirt-floored, 8×10′ stall that was cleaned maybe once a week. Sometimes they went without grain or hay because the business “ran out.” Typically the horses were tacked up, tied out in full sun, and it gets pretty hot here in Ohio in the summer!, for 12-hour days, and then ridden by the ignorant public on back-to-back, rocky trail rides all day. Then they were used for lesson horses all evening. They were worked in spite of saddle sores and lameness.
Merlin had been there for 7 years.
We wanted to get Merlin out of there for more than a year, but we had to wait as we were setting up our own barn, building fences, and bringing our own horses from their former boarding barn. When the time came that we could manage to add another horse, I contacted the owners, mentioned that we had loved Merlin for a couple of years, and that we’d like to offer him a secure retirement home where he wouldn’t have to work anymore with saddle sores, or to limp along on lame hooves.
Owners went ballistic. Merlin was NOT 19, only 14, and he was just fine, thank you, and if we wanted to buy him, his price was thus and such.
In order to get him out of there, I apologized for having offended them, agreed to their price without haggling, and made arrangements to buy him within the week. We brought him home, gave him a bath, treated his saddle sores, and turned him out. My vet gave him the works, including dentistry; our farrier trimmed his feet, and after much healing time, my kids and my husband ride him lightly. He is 14, not 19, and has no arthritis whatsoever that my vet can detect — he was just being worked to death.
We have no intention of selling him. Our grade QH is his best friend, and he is a different horse now that he’s here. I guess my point is to agree with FHotD: we cannot afford to “rescue” any others. We have limited space, limited pockets, and limited time to divide among Merlin and our other geldings, all of whom we chose carefully and purchased.
But we WERE able to help one, for which I am grateful.
-Hey hatfelloff, you must not have seen their Wiki on the Alex brown board, they now claim they do not have, never did have a trailer.-
Silly blog wouldn’t recognise my other name; story of my life.
Anyway, if they claim they’ve never had a trailer then they’re just adding one more lie to the pile. No big surprise there.
http://dallas.craigslist.org/grd/413165878.html
If I was a dealer looking for free horses to ship/ressell I might create an ad like this
I’m with ya Sally. My heart breaks for all the horses out there that need rescuing but we can’t do it. We rescued (bought) an older mare and her filly last fall and just in time. The mare wouldn’t have lasted through the winter. Her filly now resides with some good friends of ours who will train her and most likely keep her forever. The mare will be with us for the rest of her life. I have to be content with knowing we’ve saved her and her baby. It would be irresponsible of us to take on any more horses no matter how good our intentions.
rescues should be open to euthanasia. Saving something from furher suffering doesn’t mean it has to live forever–there’s nothing wrong with a quick and painless death
Thanks, Horsepoor. Good for you for saving one mare and her filly! I have a friend who had to purchase a mare and her baby to keep the former owner from selling them to slaughter. My friend trained both mare and baby, who are now beloved, forever family members. So between the 3 of us, that’s 5 horses we’ve saved!
I once had someone remark, “Rescued?? What did you rescue him FROM?” My simple answer was: from a bad life, to a good life. Anyway, thanks for the kind words.
Yes, long boring day at work…
The Carlsey website on their services page that following boarding option:
$75 per month for board only
You provide feed and care, stalls must be cleaned weekly
WTF? Stall cleaned weekly?
Oh lord – and this too found on the Meadow Haven Horse Rescue website:
Since we operate strictly under donations, we request that if you come to vist, you consider making a small donation.
BTW, here’s the website for Choctaw Ridge Farm in Mississippi:
Note the lovely pasture.
http://choctawridge.bravehost.com/available.html
oldenburg rider,
I sent them two e-mails today as well. I didn’t give her the option of replying, but I did tell them they were the subject of fugly’s site today…
She’s an ignorant twit thinking that it’s okay to have a child of any size on that foal…puhleeze! I also told them to geld the appy!
Great post(s) today. Thanks Fugly for pointing out that quantity does not equal quality.
Someone posted about perhaps some of these horses (in rescues/feedlots) would be better off in a killpen. I do not think so, NO horse deserves that. HOWEVER many would be better served by euthanasia rather than spending buckets of money, using space and resources that could be better used to save horses with a future beyond the pasture and possibly a painful life besides.
CBER, ugh. I think everyone in the horsey BB world knows how I feel about them! And Sonya is no illusion. She was a real live horse that was sent TO SLAUGHTER by CBER. Traded in for another horse they could sell. Not only that they could not promise her sponser it would not happen again.
You can read her unsanitized Wikki-ized story here:
http://www.speakforthehorses.com/SONYA.htm
I mentioned this on FOB several times and it was like I posted in invisible “ink”. HOW could anyone support a “rescue” coughdealercough that would send a horse taken OFF the feedlot BACK knowing she would get on the ugly old truck?
Yes I was banned from there (ABR) from asking questions and no I haven’t rejoined under another name (most of the people banned have not despite what CBERites say, they don’t need to, they are instantly replaced by MORE people going WAIT A MINUTE…) CBER just knows how to spread cheer and good will wherever it goes.
And they have done it again leaving another CBER horse in a bad situation (to starve) despite being informed of the bad conditions MONTHS ago when another CBER horse was removed in bad condition. Another horse (not a CBER horse) was bought in terrible condition (see links above on ABR and HC.com) and a plea was sent to CBER to PLEASE get that poor horse out of there. Their spokestoadie assured everyone that CBER was right on it, had been from the start! So OK WHY is the horse still there and going down in the pasture so often the neighbors called AC???? And as far as I know (I don’t know really where things stand today) the horse or its carcass is still there. The owner (yes owner, no adoption contract!) was ordered to put 3 horses down including that one.
But I digress… =)
How many other horses were taken from feedlots and ended right back in bad homes or other auctions/feedlots by the “rescue dealers” who move ‘em in, move ‘em out! So many of their “customers’ are newbies or beginners or novices either new or returning to horses and a feedlot is frankly the LAST place they should be buying from. These horses have the biggest question marks of all personality and health wise short of actual wild horses or rodeo stock.
they should be in experienced hands either for rehab/assessment/adoption or as prospect horses.
I think it is fine for a rescue (a real one LOL) to charge fees that are fair market value for THAT PARTICULAR horse. But i see walk trot only horses advertised in some places for ridiculous fees and pasture pets (who will be nothing but a money pit usually with vets and supplements) the same price as riding horses!
Because I am not a registered 501 whatever whatever I do not charge “fees”. I do ask they donate to the actual medical bills. But I am careful who they go to and nobody goes anywhere unsterilized (I do mostly cats, some dogs sometimes). Even if they are free it is still less if that cat/dog passes it’s best adoption time (cute/cuddly) and ends up staying with ME the rest of its life. Multiply food, litter, vet, etc. by 15 years!! Cats and dogs are SO over populated here you are generally just happy to find a good home at all much less ask money! (and no paying money doesn’t make people take care of their animals better, people care or they don’t, simple as that)
The foal being ridden is, at best, (by my math) 7 weeks old. The text said (or used to say)that the foal was picked up as a 2 day old orphan in Sept 2005. Ok, so say little Kiwi was 2days old on September 1st. They took the picture 10/22/05 – the foal can only be 7 wks old at the very outside. Looks more like a 3wk foal to me, and I’ve raised a dozen of them, so I have a good idea what they look like. Maybe the rescue doesn’t consider it “THAT young”, but I sure do.
Great link on CBER… I recently met a gal who is new to WA who has been totally sucked in by the CBER bs, and I was unable to convince her otherwise through my own (admittedly sucky) experiences with them. I’ll send her the link you provided… don’t think she’ll need much more convincing than that. She’s very smart, just very soft hearted!
As for Sonny the Wild Horse (in the YouTube video)… MY FREAKING GOD. I almost cried for that poor little guy. I left a scathing comment as well, but do you really think it’s going to do any good? This family seems like the type who are just utterly convinced that they know it ALL when it comes to trainin’ horsies.
Sigh.
someone posted this mid-way through the comments: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdkamNguH7M
hooooooly CRAP, if you can watch that without cringing and wanting to reach through the computer screen to beat some living sense into those rednecks…
damn
LOL Looks like the foal folks got some message as they have on their email link not to email unless it is business too funny
Okay, sorry back tracking here…
WTF IS UP WITH BEASTIALITY?!?!
Okay.. sorry but I got to get this off my chest. I just found out recently, this guy that I dated I don’t know… 6 years ago? Was mad that I dumped him. It turns out that he wanted to have RELATIONS with one of my old miniature horses… he was trying to find a way to steal her for that purpose.. the guy’s a freak… he had the “HOTS” for my quarter horse mare as well… haha she almost killed him (he was abusive to me and her).
Anywho… what is wrong with these people?
Also, I know someone who’s decided to start “rescuing” horses.. she’s gotten herself conned so bad, she paid over $15,000 for a crippled horse that can not ever be ridden, $20,000 for a warmblood stallion, $10,000 for a percheron PMU gelding that if you go near his back legs, will flatten you into the wall of his stall, she’s got goats,and donkeys, and now she’s way over debt, hasn’t paid board on anything in the past few months, now farrier work, no vet work… aye…
stupid people should not be allowed to have animals. There should be a law!
Oh boy! I just went and read the firt link about the AZ gal. Ms. Vocc leased a broodmare form a local gal here who turned her in to AC because her friend went to see the horse & it looked lousy!
If I can find the link I will post it for all to read…
A very disturbing blog. After a perusal of the “rescues” I am mortified to see that one actually puts more fugly useless babies on the ground by breeding their fugly rescues to their fugly stallions. WTF – again WTF -They are crying poormouth, but still breeding horses. Are these people brain damaged or what!!!
The Choctaw Ridge place is just as horrifying. That “mustang mare” that came in pregnant. You’d think that by the time the baby was born, they’d have gotten her used to be handled. Not so. They still can’t get near mom even months later.
They’d be better off spending the donated money on an education. Can’t spell for shit.
So very disturbing…
To Lovemyfuglyhorse: Re: Choctaw Ridge They haven’t changed their adoption page since March 2007, except for putting in that Peanut was adopted (he was the one I took — I couldn’t leave him there!!) They told me they got Peanut from the kill pen at the auction, but the web page says he was turned over to them by someone… OR is HE the mystery mustang foal? We’ll never know. He did have some under saddle training and nice ground manners when we got him. You should see how fat and happy he is now!!
HA-”big withered-not swayed”—ya, I’d believe it if I hadn’t seen the pictures!
http://www.cowgirldreamranch.com/CowboysPage.html
Sony the Wild Horse is a prime example why humans need to be castrated. ive had the displeasure of living in the south and the midwest. it was horrible, ive never seen more ignorant and willfully abusive people in my life. i watched a man beat his horse with a 2×4 while the local “good ol’boy” cops stood around watched. after to many personal experiences i WILL NOT buy a horse from the south or midwest that has been started undersaddle!!! the most dangerous horses i have ever encounted came form southern trainers, beaten so severly that the animals became flat out vicious.
its not wonder that southern states rank dead last in education!
Ooops! My Bad that was Ms. Voss not Vocc.
Still looking for the link…
barrelracer20x,
that horse has some seriously special(horrible) conformation. i dont know that hes *actually* swaybacked though. he has a combination of huge shark fin withers, low set ewe neck, long back and most important DOWN HILL. ive seen a lot of horses that LOOKED sway backed but were actually butt high with moster withers (mostly young horses). but either way i would consider that poor chestnut suitable for riding at all.
Did any of y’all catch the link to the business website of the pocket pony (gag me) breeder/rescue disaster extrordinare? Basic grammar and, uh, spellcheck are generally good for PROFESSIONAL business listings designed to cater to clients. But then, what would I know about writing or responsible horse care or how not to hold a dog? Oh….wait….a fair wee bit.
http://www.txlistings.info/
God, I hope this blog gets lots more attention from other chat rooms/blogs/groups/whatever you want to call them…the entire internet network NEEDS to be reading these posts so that perhaps the madness will slow down at least. The internet has caused even more monsters/idiots than the world can handle! How many of these horses WOULD be better off on the double-decker than passed from asshole to asshole which only prolongs their suffering. I love FUGLY’s blog, but it also makes me SOOOOOOO mad at the number of assholes who seem to be multiplying on a daily basis.
I have one more comment to make…how about those people who have too many horses (any kind, any breed, happens everywhere) and they “MUST sell” but the prices they put on them are SO rediculous. Of course one can “negotiate” but this brings to mind an old gal who was living in Costa Rica (the foreign country) and her horses were starving, but she thought they were all worth thosands of dollars, and even tho she skipped the country because possibly the ASPCA was after her, she would NOT sell any of them with papers for less than her very over-the-top asking price. They eventually all sold at an auction, for “pennies on the dollar” so to speak, and the new owners had to fight the Registry for papers, if they wanted them. She wound up with nothing, as far as I know.
Redsmom said…
BTW, here’s the website for Choctaw Ridge Farm in Mississippi:
Note the lovely pasture.
http://choctawridge.bravehost.com/available.html
Holy cow! They need to FEED those horses!!!
I live in the northeast, and out of the blue, I have begun to get mailings from a rescue out in Colorado all of the time, with pictures of rescues, and asking for monthly sponsorship etc…
I have not investigated to see if they are legit, as I am in no position currently to support any horses other than my own.
Does anyone here know anything about this organization? I think they might be called Colorado Horse Rescue…. but I am not sure… they seem to have their act somewhat together (and they can spell)or at least they are savvy at marketing.
I love this post.. I TOTALLY agree that you have to be careful. I encountered a regular poster on a message board who you’d never suspect of anything shady.. espouses that she’s an instructor, trainer, yadda yadda.. I had some dealings with her and some of her comments (& TIPS on what to say to someone giving away a free horse, so as to not make them feel uncomfortable with me – I wound up passing on the mare) gave me a bad feeling… one night I googled this Instructor (nothing came up, also kind of weird), then did a little creative googling on her and her operation and found some message board posts by people who worked at her farm and a VERY different story was told! People can be REALLY good at putting on a good front!! Be careful!
Oh, and as to Choctaw Ridge, why are their 2 long term resident donkeys both having babies? Also, there is NO HAY CRISIS. Gawd! There is hay coming in all over the place around here. According to the Farm Burea Bulletin you can pick it up in the field for $2.50 per bale. Round bales are $25.00, $35.00 for good quality. There is no freaking hay shortage.
barnibus said…
Sony the Wild Horse is a prime example why humans need to be castrated. ive had the displeasure of living in the south and the midwest. it was horrible, ive never seen more ignorant and willfully abusive people in my life. i watched a man beat his horse with a 2×4 while the local “good ol’boy” cops stood around watched. after to many personal experiences i WILL NOT buy a horse from the south or midwest that has been started undersaddle!!! the most dangerous horses i have ever encounted came form southern trainers, beaten so severly that the animals became flat out vicious.
Barnibus, please don’t tar all of us Midwesterners with the same brush. There are several reputable and humane trainers in my area of NW Illinois. Yes there are some jerks but there are a lot of good people who take excellent care of their animals.
We do have one guy that wanders around the area stealing hay from any barn that isn’t watched but at least he uses it to feed his horses. Of course half the county has threatened to shoot him if he is caught on their property.
Summer-
FYI, the CBER horse that people were pleading to have removed on Monday was euthanized yesterday….confired by AC.
just thought you’d want to know. See update on HC.
I admit you are not one of my favorite blogs. However, I must say that when it comes to Sleepy Hollow and CBER, I will give you a huge WAY TO GO for posting that photo and letting folks know what ‘rescue’ really means.
The group in Las Cruces–the kids riding the very young foal…has a note on their contact page that suggests they have heard about their debut on FHOTD…
Riding a foal?
Riding a
foal? Riding
a foal?
It is bad enough to be a foal…but to be one in the care (or abuse) of these people is scary. Isn’t this animal abuse?
A friend of mine was so riled up about the foal picture that she left a comment on their website informing them what idiots they were. Their intelligent response?
“You guys are ass holes. He was 4 months old in the picture. I am reporting you to yahoo.”
Imagine anyone with a brain trying to claim that was a 4 month old foal.
barrelracer20x said…
HA-”big withered-not swayed”—ya, I’d believe it if I hadn’t seen the pictures!
http://www.cowgirldreamranch.com/CowboysPage.html
September 26, 2007 2:13 PM
HOLY COW… what a MORON.
Big withered… puhleeeez.
He’s got what’s termed as LORDOSIS.
Also known as SWAYBACKED.
And that won’t save him with that straight straight STRAIGHT shoulder and ‘frog hammed’ back end.
But heck, if she’s not asking over $500 for him, he’d make some little beginner kid very happy for a few years and probably teach them the ropes. He’s probably still got some good years, providing he’s well cared for, to teach some kids how to ride.
The stupidity is so deep I feel like I need a life preserver to respond…
I DON’T CARE IF HE WAS TWO MONTHS, FOUR MONTHS OR SIX MONTHS! YOU DON’T RIDE FOALS! EVER! EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER! Redneck piece of shit knuckle-dragging imbeciles!
OK now that that’s out…
>>rescues should be open to euthanasia. Saving something from furher suffering doesn’t mean it has to live forever–there’s nothing wrong with a quick and painless death< <
I agree. I don’t think “no kill” is realistic. Not in a world full of unhandled 8 year old cryptorchid, aggressive Mustang stallions, pit bulls that have been trained for fighting, etc. There are not enough knowledgeable homes to house (or that can afford to house) all of the rescues in the world. A veterinarian assisted death truly is kinder than most of the possible outcomes.
As to all of the bad rescues…at least here you can share your experiences without being deleted. That’s a novel idea, hey?
If I didn’t know better, I would have sworn you swiped that second picture on a drive by almost anywhere up here! Seriously, that’s a pretty common look-right down to the blue tarps. Sigh.
There are a couple people up here calling themselves “rescues” or, worse yet, collectors mascarading as such, or allowing others to think they are rescuers, not dealers. There is one legitimate rescue here, period. But there are plenty of folks acting on their own, one horse at a time, as they can afford it.
Our one state wide rescue has a humane care contract, investigates possible adoptive homes, evaluates all horses accepted and is not afraid to make the sad choice of euthanasia if needed. Kudos to them, and a pox on the folks who bad mouth what they do. I don’t see THEM out there working to educate the illiterate and stubborn knowitalls, or in the trenches dealing with a rescue at -30 degrees. They are not all over the internet pleading with locals for HAY, or anything else. They have one major fundraiser a year, but are of course happy to accept donations year round.
Could they do a better job? Of course they could, if they had more reliable volunteers. This poor group has been plagued by people misrepresenting themselves, and they’ve done some very bad things over the years.
Thankfully, it is a pretty small state and the horse community even smaller, so eventually these folks get found out for who and what they are by others. There are still a few operators I would like to see shut down, who seem to prey upon newbies and wannabes, and there isn’t much to be done about that.
Bravo to FUGLY for showing a spotlight on these people.
Report to yahoo, I about died laughing, for WHAT? Stating an opinion? HAHAHA!
At least they aren’t here threatening lawsuits, eh?
(yet)
Surfzup wrote:
>So how do you get the IRS to move them up on the list. I know of several “rescues” that are collecting serious money on the internet w/o ANY form of registration with thier state or the feds. My current favorite is a woman on disability no less!
http://www.irs.gov/compliance/enforcement/article/0,,id=106778,00.html
You CAN report stuff anonymously, just be sure that you provide enough information so that they can find the person on the first try. You don’t have to provide every dollar they’ve scammed down to the last penny. Usually just a broad over view of how they are soliciting cash funds will get them a look by the IRS.
Tracy M
http://thehorsediary.blogspot.com/ (updated 9-21-2007)
OMFG! Did anyone notice these fine *JEWELS* of advertising on the Carsley For Sale page? My comments in bold…
DW’s Cupids Fancy-
Only one flake a day to keep weight, more than that will not agree with her. Why does she colic when she gets to eat?
Bam-Bam-
He will ride small children all day long and is great for teaching. He is strictly a babysitter. I bet he’s a great babysitter. Sitting on those babies all day will keep them in their place!
Low Rider-
She is wide enough to carry small adults. sitting sideways??? HUH? With some more time, I think she’ll be bomb proof. HHHHUUUURRRRYYYYY! Call the LA SWAT team, I think she could help them out!!! So if bred, she has a tendency to throw color. No Shit? How far can she throw it?
Arizona’s Angel-
Has energy and will easily do dressage moves such as a half pass and skip step. I have never heard of ‘skip step’ in dressage, anyone else? One tempi changes maybe? Coming from their place I bet that is pushing it, unless the mare was well trained before they got their hands on her. Loves to jump, has cleared 2 1/2 to 3 foot obstacles consistently. Trying to escape your facility I bet! …and carries my large behind with ease. on a 13.2 QP. If it’s that large, maybe a larger horse? Or would you need a crane to help you mount?
Cheyenne-
priced at $5500 to good home only Reduced to $3500 In foal to Bullwinkle for January, 2008. Will be reduced to $2500 in April, 2008. Hell just give us a couple hundred, don’t report us and we would be glad to call it even. I couldn’t help but notice the helmet looks like a bicycle helmet, but I guess at that point, something is better than nothing. How about the tennies on the child riding. Hmmm. No heel and a rubber sole which will surely stick to the rubber on the stirrup pads if her legs were long enough to reach. WOW!
Kelly-
Trained for team penning. Most team penners I have seen are no more than badly riding yahoo’s running down an innocent cow, while screaming at the top of their lungs, all available body parts flailing as if theiy are experiencing a seizure. Didn’t look like much training went into anything for that. Lots of moves. Good or bad? were the proper change of address forms filled out? Loads, ties, clips, farriers, Farriers? Would that be trims or shoes? By herself? Is she certified or certifiable?
Sycamore Willy-
Has LOTS of moves, I bet he does, even when you’re not asking or ready for them! and perfect conformation, don’t they all? will make a great heel or reining horse. Not sure how heeling and reining go together, but maybe since Daddy was a reiner, he should be too. If he can’t cut it as a reiner he could be a heeler as his ‘fallback’ career. I also like how the ‘feeder’ is hanging on with one piece of baling twine. Like you couldn’t take the two minutes to tie it back up? PLEASE!
None of the stalls in the background appear to have any shades, or covers of any sort, and they are trying to- reduce our herd before winter hits. Why did you think this year it would MISS? GAWD!
There are several more things I could commment on, but with one foot out the door at work, alas I do not have time…
If any of you spewed coffee, mixed drinks, soft drinks or any other liquid on your screens or keyboards, I am sorry. They should come with a plastic cover like you would take with you to sit in the front rows of a Gallagher comedy show.
I sent them an email complaining about the foal with the child on it’s back and got this email back………sigh
Name: norm
Company: N/A
Email:
Phone: N/A
Question/Comment: ARE YOU CRAZY!
Why on earth would you
put a child on that poor foal!!!
You don’t put any weight on a foal!!!
EVEN with correct conformation!!!
You are not a rescue you are part of the problem!!!
this is the response
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 07:34:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: “Patricia Carsley” Add to Address BookAdd to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
Subject: Re: Feedback for
You guys are jerks and i don’t appreciate it
the foal was not a baby at the time you idiot.
ummmmmmmm, looks like a baby to me?!? I thought that is what the word for foal was?
From an ethical rescue:
Folks, if you are going to surrender a horse, please, please go LOOK at the place they will be living and ask very good, pointed questions. Do not believe what you see on the Internet. Your horse may be there for a long time. How do the other horses look? Do they have good hoof care? Call their vet! Does the vet like them? Do the horses have shelter? Do the old guys look good? They will if they’ve had dental work and a dental-appropriate diet. Bad rescues continue to operate because people often don’t do basic homework about them. Good rescues must compete with these people for scarce resources. Don’t send your horses to bad rescues and please support the many good ones out there. We really need for you to be able to tell the difference and so does your horse.
From an ethical rescue:
Folks, if you are going to surrender a horse, please, please go LOOK at the place they will be living and ask very good, pointed questions. Your horse may be there for a long time, if not adopted quickly. How do the other horses look? Do they have good hoof care? Call their vet! Does the vet like them? Do the horses have shelter? Do the old guys look good? They will if they’ve had dental work and a dental-appropriate diet. Bad rescues continue to operate because people often don’t do basic homework about them. Good rescues must compete with these people for scarce resources. Don’t give money to bad rescues and please support the many good ones out there. We do a good job, but we need for you to be able to tell the difference.
From an ethical rescue:
Folks, if you are going to surrender a horse, please, please go LOOK at the place they will be living and ask very good, pointed questions. Your horse may be there for a long time, if not adopted quickly. How do the other horses look? Do they have good hoof care? Call their vet! Does the vet like them? Do the horses have shelter? Do the old guys look good? They will if they’ve had dental work and a dental-appropriate diet. Bad rescues continue to operate because people often don’t do basic homework about them. Good rescues must compete with these people for scarce resources. Don’t give money to bad rescues and please support the many good ones out there. We do a good job, but we need for you to be able to tell the difference.
Gaaah!!! Sorry for the repeat posts.
I know I came late to the party, but why does it matter whether Sam/CBER had a truck and trailer, or truck and no trailer, or neither? Clearly there were false statements being made, but I am just curious why?
Also, can’t find the pic of the dachshund, if it was on the Carsley page (boy, I felt sorry for those horses in little dirt pens out in the sun with no shelter — maybe they are only out there for brief periods, such as to have their portraits done LOL?) they must have taken it down — or am I confused (which is not too unlikely at this hour.
Jvanderkay – I think the issue about Sam having a truck and trailer relates to whether or not she was capable of personally picking up her rescue’s horses when they were determined to be in bad hands. She has repeatedly sent others to do that dirty work…if she has picked them up at all. Animal control just euthanized a CBER horse today that was in bad hands, eight months after the owner claims she asked CBER to take it back and they refused to do so. (Honestly I don’t know who’s lying there. The owner and Sam are both good liars. Poor horse.)
As to the latest Carsley quote: “the foal was not a baby at the time”…WTF? WTF? WTF? Um, let’s return to the 1st grade here: A FOAL IS A BABY HORSE.
*shakes head in wonder*
From the foal-riding site:
“ou may have seen us posted on a blog lately. We do not appreciate negative e-mails. This site is for business only. Please limit your comments/contacts to business only.
I am trying to remain professional, but nobody has the full story. Our horses are not ridden until they are at least 2 or 3 depending on bone structure, size, and ability. In the picture being enquired about, the child was 3, weighed 20 pounds and did not know better. However, we thought it was cute and took a picture. She was long ago educated about “riding” young foals. I encourage all people seeking truth and justice for horses all over to thoroughly investigate before pointing fingers and exploiting children. Please leave your negative comments on the blog board where they belong.”
Oh, great. So I guess YOU’VE been educated about riding foals…is what you meant to say. Because if it’s cute that your redneck child jumps on your baby foal without a helmet and your redneck son holds him…that’s “cute” and you should take a picture, then firmly “educate” your daughter that it’s not okay.
Got it.
Did you guys see this picture on the Medina Dachshund page?
http://www.medinadoxies.com/puppy/id1.html
The dog is using their baby as a chew toy.
I am trying to remain professional, but nobody has the full story. Our horses are not ridden until they are at least 2 or 3 depending on bone structure, size, and ability. In the picture being enquired about, the child was 3, weighed 20 pounds and did not know better. However, we thought it was cute and took a picture. She was long ago educated about “riding” young foals.
So the 3 year old crawled on the back of the foal all by herself???
Oh, great. So I guess YOU’VE been educated about riding foals…is what you meant to say. Because if it’s cute that your redneck child jumps on your baby foal without a helmet and your redneck son holds him…that’s “cute” and you should take a picture, then firmly “educate” your daughter that it’s not okay.
Got it.
So the foal-riding kid’s parent says WE are “expoiting children.” Okay. We’re not the one who originally posted a picture of our kid on the internet to promote our backyard fugly breeding operation, now are we? I think the only one being “exploited” here is the foal. Also, she does not “appreciate” negative email. One meaning of “appreciate” is “understand.” It is obvious she does not understand. At all.
The point about the trailer is that they made a huge fuss about how they had this trailer and they got it and the truck to be able to transport horses and this was part of what the $150 per horse (or whatever they claim it is they add on today) is for.
They at the time claimed to be $6k in the hole and I was dumstruck that they announced that along with the news of having bought a new trailer.
It was not hearsay, it was posted by their own VP Wendy DeGraaf and I had the forethought to copy the post when it was made on their very own bb.
Now for some unknown reason they claim to never have had a trailer.
So their VP lies? Why deny you had it? Everyone remembers them posting about it. I bet there are supporters who would, if they were being honest and off the koolaid long enough, who would admit that yeah, they did announce the purchase of a trailer so taht thay no longer had to pay to transport (as if they did, ever) and that they could now WISK horses off the lot (like that EVER happened)
And yeah, there have been several instances now where people have begged CBER to come take a horse they needed to end fostering, or they could no longer support and hte horses were found to be in horrendous shape (you can see them on speakforthehorses.com) and CBER refuses and if they send anyone to help it’s a volunteer who gets reimbursed ZILCH for doing them the honor of cleaning up their messes.
Rescue my ARSE!
And liars to boot.
“”I aquired an unregistered app, obtained hardship registry”"
Well she didn’t hardship register with the Appaloosa Horse Club (the “main” Appaloosa registry) because ApHC only harship-registers spayed mares or geldings- breeding mares or stalions have to have come from approved pedigreed registered parentage. Been that way since about 1986. Wonder what registry she got papers with?
eastowest said, ” Well she didn’t hardship register with the Appaloosa Horse Club (the “main” Appaloosa registry) because ApHC only harship-registers spayed mares or geldings- breeding mares or stalions have to have come from approved pedigreed registered parentage. Been that way since about 1986. Wonder what registry she got papers with?”
Maybe it was the Blue-Eyed Horse Association…LOL.
Jorg,
You can always delete the repeats!
back to Carlsey…I mentioned in one of my notes to them that they were the subject of fugly today!
That woman is ignorant! Does she think that once a foal reaches four months (by her standards) that it’s no longer a “baby”…what drug is she on anyway???
OMG they have put lots of excuses for the foal riding incident on their contact page.
now THAT’S being professional!
Someone should make a rescue for the rescuers, and starve them, let their feet rot, and become malnutritioned.
And also, found this quote here, on the stallion “Bullwinkle”.
Will turn 2 this September. As a Red Roan Appaloosa with perfect conformation, good color, and large size, we have plans on Breeding. He is very athletic, and will literally go all day. He was bred in January to one of our mares. With unknown bloodlines, we are anxious to see what he will throw. These are horrible pictures, will post some of him at his halter class once I get them converted.
Is it just me, or is that stallion not quite living up to what his owners claim?
I have just had 3 emails from Patricia Carsely. She actually seems fairly okay, just got into that woman/horse thing – what is that??? There has to be a some sort of mental illness thing there. I know so many women who are that far into horses (in a bad way). They all have to have stallions, think they are trainers, win at local yocal shows, and are not horsemen. She’s going to geld everyone but the appy who friends need babies from for endurance riding. I then asked if he was a star endurance mount. Hopefully we can talk her into gelding him too. Obviously, education never worked in the world of “Spay and neuter your pets” so I explained that harassment was really the last straw, and that was what we were about. That we are here for the horses and didn’t really care about people’s feelings. I also told her that if she didn’t want her daughters being stalked, she shouldn’t post their pics on the web.
Holy crap, this is beyond words. In addition to an idiotic woman letting kids sit on foals (and is it just the pics, or does that foal seem to have some pastern issues?) this woman apparently does not believe in NOT breeding anything. Almost all mares are either bred already or just waiting to be bred, and most are fugly beyond belief. That goes for the stallions, too.
However, here is a question for y’all–wouldn’t a true rescue be selling the horses for prices less than that to good homes? She has the horses marked at 2500-5k! She claims some of them are registered, but registration papers are not the end all for a price range–good conformation helps. Just another idiot who apparently believes that breeding any walking uterus allows her to sell overpriced pieces of crap to make money. Prices not marked in stone–maybe not, but I doubt that the horses are going to be 800-1k, which would be more suitable.
I see they took the picture of the little girl sitting on the foal off of their website.
If her 3 year old only weighs 20 pounds, I think they need to feed the poor child!
I’m disabled. But to see me you’d probably not think so. I have a disease that over time can make my bones break but the only clue you’d get to see me now is I’m short, technically a dwarf but a tall one. I have some bone deformaties but you have to look close to notice so I’m one of the people who looks like they should be able to hold down a normal job and I should be except I am Deaf. Employers seem not to like hiring Deaf people. BTW I have 3 college degrees. I have a BS in Biology, an AS in Graphic Design and an AA in American Sign Language Studies, so I’m not stupid. I am also smart enough to know that my disability check would not even begin to support me let alone me and a horse.
And dispite being on diability, and actually having more than one diability to boot, I do have a job. I am only allowed to work part time but working gives me a sense of purpose. It’s better than sitting on my arse all day whining about the nasty hand I was dealt. Fugly rules.
Tori said…
I’m disabled. But to see me you’d probably not think so. I have a disease that over time can make my bones break but the only clue you’d get to see me now is I’m short, technically a dwarf but a tall one. I have some bone deformaties but you have to look close to notice so I’m one of the people who looks like they should be able to hold down a normal job and I should be except I am Deaf. Employers seem not to like hiring Deaf people. BTW I have 3 college degrees. I have a BS in Biology, an AS in Graphic Design and an AA in American Sign Language Studies, so I’m not stupid. I am also smart enough to know that my disability check would not even begin to support me let alone me and a horse.
And dispite being on diability, and actually having more than one diability to boot, I do have a job. I am only allowed to work part time but working gives me a sense of purpose. It’s better than sitting on my arse all day whining about the nasty hand I was dealt. Fugly rules.
I have to say that I DO admire you for not letting anything stop you from being all that you can be. Great job on the degrees! Two thumbs up for you!
Forget the website! I just watched the YouTube video of that palomino stallion. OM’Freaking’G!
Someone please find this horse and save him from being impaled on a t-post one day soon! Or breaking his neck the next time he goes over backwards!
Someone please find the owner/rider/handlers and give them a gift certificate to a real trainer and make them go.
Or just SHOOT them and take the horse away from them before it’s too late!
Ever heard of Alder Hill Farm in Astoria? Woman with shitty facilities rescued 70 PMU foals. It was gross. I went there and they were kept in a mud pit scared shitless of human contact.
spotmesomecolor said: >>I’ve never even heard of the contitental kennel club.< <
Oh, I have. I learned the hard way…
I ‘rescued’ a Chihuahua from a puppy mill breeder. That means that even tho I had all my red flags up, realized that these people were not breeders of the caliber that I’d always done business with before, etc, etc., I still couldn’t bear to let the little guy go back to living in a cage – so I bought him.
He’d been selected for stud, for the wrong reasons – color and size only – but retained a testicle. Incredibly, they chose not to breed him, thank God, … but had kept him in a cage to the age of 18 months in hopes it would drop.
I went ahead with the purchase, justifying it in my own mind because they posted and assured me that he was registered. Papers would be provided on proof of castration. (They were masquerading as responsible breeders with that one…)
NOWHERE did they mention that these ‘papers’ were from the utterly, stinkin’ BOGUS registry the Cont. K.C. They have zero bloodline integrity and allow the ‘registry’ of things like ‘Puggles’ and various ‘Doodles’.
Try to imagine how pissed I was when the utterly useless certificate came in the mail. GOD did I feel like an idiot! The so-called breeder’s response to my phone calls was to hang up on me – twice.
Don’t get me wrong, the little dog is doing great; and I’m glad I have him. He’s actually a nice physical specimen. He’s strong and healthy (he passed a prepurchase). He IS still spooky, but what would one expect with his first 18 months in a cage? GRRRRR! He’s made great progress in the 6 months he’s been with me.
The Continental Kennel Club is a TOTAL JOKE. This little Chi would be a great agility dog if he gets his confidence up. The CKS (not Canadian, as someone noted) only has a few events, most of them in the deep south, involving weight pulls for pit bulls – of all the weird things…
The only legitimate canine registry in the United States is the AKC. IMO, if anyone tries to convince you otherwise, they’re shady.
I know many posted that they are disabled, but they also posted that they do not go out looking for additional horses to take on.
My issue is that if you can go out looking for horses and take care of them on a routine basis, why can’t you hold a job. I broke my toe a couple weeks back. The horses didn’t stop eating or start pooping outside. I still had to do stall and put up hay for winter. If these rescue types can handle the physical activity involved in horse rescue, then why can’t they get a job?
summer horse said: >>HOWEVER many would be better served by euthanasia rather than spending buckets of money, using space and resources that could be better used to save horses with a future beyond the pasture and possibly a painful life besides.< <
I agree with you here. It may not be anyone’s first choice …but a gentle euthanasia beats a horrible life, and as stewards to these noble creatures’ lives, it’s our damned responsibility to give them that grace when it’s time.
to the person who posted the IRS link, thanks. Am going to put together a bunch of the fund raising links by my ‘current favorit’ disabled rescuer; who did breed one of the horses that she lists as a rescue horse, then lists as a permanent resident; for the state and feds to look at.
Since I’m not disabled, not a ‘rescue’, don’t have any foals to sell at huge prices, I have an interview at tractor supply this morning and am going down to the track to try to find work there tomorrow.
I have a friend who’s very much into checking out rescues and is very versed into what a rescue should be. Im going to make sure she reads this. She will agree with it 100%. I know a few years ago there was a big push to give to Columbia River Basin on a board here in New England. Ive stopped giving to rescues unless I can physically go there. I have friend’s who are on the board of directors of local rescues. These are very legit rescues in this area.
But you’re right. If you have 20 horses better make sure you have a job. I cant understand the whole welfare thing. Its like a woman on welfare having 10 kids… Im a single parent, have 3 kids, and I work… Ok I work to get AWAY from my kids… LOL Actually my oldest and middle son have enlisted in the Army and are at basic right now. I just have my “baby” boy home with me now. If he saw me write this he would kill me.. he’s 16 now!
Nothing wrong with working though! My was~band is one of those sucking off of our taxpayer money. Been on workers comp since 1991…
OMG – I cannnot believe that moron is trying to justify her kid sitting on that foal by saying it was 4 months old and the kid weighed 20 lbs. Um, and that makes it ok? This is worse than the idjit that had the foal taking a jump – at least he wasn’t RIDING it!
Asking that foal (I don’t care if it was 4 mos or even older, which I doubt by the pic) to carry ANY weight is criminal. That is akin to asking a toddler to clean a stall and dump the wheelbarrow! They are not built to do it! Do not have the strength, the musculature or the coordination. I cannot believe this has to be SAID!
But good grief, look at the back pasterns. Am I the only one who does not believe that this was the first time this poor thing was asked to carry weight? Seriously, these people are EVIL SCUMBAGS.
surfzup said…
” If these rescue types can handle the physical activity involved in horse rescue, then why can’t they get a job?”
I agree…. If they are doing rescue and caring for the horses properly.
BUT, have you ever seen the “quality” of the care most of these people provide? At best they usually provide sub-standard care. Anyone who is physically, mentally and emotionally capable of caring properly for a large number of horses should be able to get a job.
These “disability funded rescues” may have legitimate disabilities that keep them from working but they certainly do not provide the same kind of care *I* expect for my own horses.
Re: the foal being ridden, in what strange bizarro land world is that animal NOT a baby? ~rolls eyes~
Another fantastic parelli student in the making..
http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1100265
Our local rescue is being reveiwed at http://www.lovemypets.com/Rescue/Default.asp?rr=1&cy=163000377&ParentCategory=163
And it looks like someone from here already posted a link to fugly Horse Of The day!
A call for responsible breeeding:
http://tinyurl.com/2lkkjf
At last, get to the root of the problem!
This morning in the Seattle Craigslist Pets section was a plea from CBER to donate to save the Girl Scout horses from slaughter.
I posted what I thought was a reasonable piece of advice that people do their research before giving money to charities, especially CBER as they are controversial. My posting wasn’t up TWO MINUTES before it was flagged and removed.
And just when you thought it couldn’t get any worse….
http://horsetopia.horse-for-sale.org/classifieds/ad243949
Okay, just thought you all ight like to read this tidbit!
Hockey Coach’s Bite Not Just Horse Play
OKLAHOMA CITY — An Oklahoma City hockey coach bit the ear of a horse to stop a potentially dangerous stampede during the recent Oklahoma State Fair.
Doug Sauter, head coach of the Oklahoma City Blazers, told Eyewitness News 5 that he bit a Belgian horse’s ear after it broke free at a state fair horse show.
Sauter is a horse lover and said his instinct took over, and his mouth went to work.
“If you bite a horse’s ear, he’s not going to move anywhere. He is going to stand still, lay still, and everybody did what they had to do,” he said.
A woman is in serious condition, authorities said, after one of the horse wagons in the vicinity fell on top of her.
Fans and friends of the Central Hockey League coach are having fun with Sauter’s biting experience. On Tuesday, he said he found a note on his car that read: “Stand Back: Person May Bite.”
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/pet/433365105.html
Gee I wonder what GSA will think of that ad?
CBER it is heinous of you to imply that GSA dumps those horses for slaughter when camp is over.
GSA does not own those horses!
I am sure you know that, but the story is much more dramatic your way isn’t it?
And naming the horses after the cookies?
A new low.
What WILL they stoop to next to rake in the cash?
Sauter is a horse lover and said his instinct took over, and his mouth went to work.
A trainer I know does this. If a horse makes a move to bite her, she bites back, hard on the ear or lip. They only ever try once.
I’ve never gone that route, personally, mine either got an elbow or knuckles. My two year old attempted to bite ONCE, and my mare has never even thought about it.
>>Morgan_Horse_Queen said…
And just when you thought it couldn’t get any worse….
http://horsetopia.horse-for-sale.org/classifieds/ad243949< <
Read the add, it says 10-15 horses…
Doesn’t she even know how many she has?
The info on all these rescues is truly scary to me.
Without really being able to go to a rescue in person, how do you know what to expect?
The internet is no help, the websites don’t show the real picture. Really a bad situation for a novice looking to adopt.
losvagos said…
“The only legitimate canine registry in the United States is the AKC. IMO, if anyone tries to convince you otherwise, they’re shady.”
Oh my WORD! You need to go to http://www.terrier.com and read up on the Jack Russell Terrier Club of America. AKC registers entire litters of puppies, regardless of quality or health testing. Any puppy miller can sell AKC pups – if those parents have papers, the pups do too just by virtue of being BORN. My one year old JRT is ready to be registered in the JRTCA, but first she must have her eyes & ears tested. Then she has to be inspected by a veterinarian who checks for jaw alignment (bite), limb & hip angulation, etc as determined by the breed standard. These things cannot be determined on an hours-old pup, the dog has to be a full year old. If the dog passes all the tests, only then can it receive full registration & breeding rights in the JRTCA. Really, comparing AKC to JRTCA, ummm, the opportunity to be “shady” exists much more in one registry than the other – take your pick.
http://horsetopia.horse-for-sale.org/classifieds/ad243949< <
Read the add, it says 10-15 horses…
Doesn’t she even know how many she has?
I’m ashamed to say that’s my province.
And there is NO hay shortage. Most places gor THREE cuts of good quality hay this year. It’s cheap and plentiful, and I live 400km from the nearest farm.
Really a bad situation for a novice looking to adopt.
Don’t ever buy a horse for a pet that you didn’t see first. Re-homing is stressful, and it will end up costing a lot in the end.
Lots of rescues are fantastic, but a good one will not let you adopt without an onsite visit (you to them, and usually them to you). If they don’t visit YOU you need to provide references and photos.
If there is no reputable rescue around you, feel good about giving ANY horse a good home. Buying from a small scale breeder that you respect puts money into the pockets of people who do the right thing…that helps put the bad ones out of business too.
It might sound like a really good idea to get a “rescue”, but the truth is that in some regions, there just isn’t that opportunity. Support good breeding!
^
Oh, sorry, for my above post…three cuts of hay is an obscenely good year in a province that has nine months of winter.
Just to clarify. A three cut year is a bumper crop here (I think warm places can get a lot more???)
The perceived hay shortage is just a way to justify getting rid of the horses. And so is the threat of selling them to the slaughter houses.
It’s also a way to ease their guilt – if they even have a conscience.
sarcasta, did you notice their other ads? one GIVING 10-15 horses away, the next one wanting ‘any horse, any breed’… sounds mighy suspicious.
GIVING 10-15 horses away, the next one wanting ‘any horse, any breed’… sounds mighy suspicious.
Just stupid. Probably got sick of trying to train those ones, looking for fresh ones. People do occasionally buy horses as livestock here, although it isn’t common. There is also a big market for dude line horses. Buyers snap them up all the time at auction. It doesn’t take much to turn a naturally quiet horse and turn it into a dude line horse.
There isn’t the same volume of unwanted animals up here that there is in the US (based on what I have learned from the all-knowing internet)…our slaughter houses really are full of the elderly, infirm and “defective” horses. It is sad, but at least they are killed in a humane way…not left to starve at some “rescue”.
Just some of my personal observations on the horse industry in Alberta…take it for what it’s worth though, I’m just a weekend rider whose family owns a (non-horse) slaughterhouse.
weve been hearing that same bullshit here in australia for the last 5-10 years now… 30 starving skeletal horses in a paddock with several lying dead and rotting, and the owner will say ‘its because of the drought’. oh really?? so… now euthanasia is scarce because it hasnt rained? your bullet crop failed? or have you been chanting to your icon of monty roberts for it to rain feed, cash and sixpacks and maybe hookers too??
asshats.
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Here’s something I found the other day, straight from a rescue’s mouth…
http://www.lastchanceranch.org/
Rescued%20from%20a%20rescue.html
http://www.lastchanceranch.org/
Starting%20a%20rescue.html
Foal riding–Subtards. His ears are back, he’s not liking it, and you’ll RUIN that foal! Yeah, that’s one for the Mom of the Year award, I also feel bad for her kids; like stupidity is in danger of going extinct?
YouTube of “Sonny”–Words fail me. I remember why I’ll never buy a gun; it’s a lot harder to conceal my 5′ long recurve, and takes longer to string, nock, draw, aim…and I don’t look good in prison orange. That poor, poor animal. FWIW, at least I didn’t see anything but negative comments there, so I hope (yeah right) that these brain-donors _might_ get an idea something’s wrong there.
The perceived hay shortage is just a way to justify getting rid of the horses.
That’s what I don’t get…the seller must be REALLY out of touch…no one in Alberta would buy that line, at ALL…and the threat of the horse going for meat? Yeah, a 12 year old girl might cry, but people here are GENERALLY more intelligent about livestock than that. Why buy an unbroke “meat” quality horse, when you can get a decent quality one from a reputable breeder/trainer? THe attitude is kind of “let the useless ones go”.
Of course, some GREAT horses are found at the auctions, and the meat buyers were bidding…I have a lot of friends who have “saved” horses from the meat man, but those are a lot more rare than anyone thinks…the meat man doesn’t try very hard to outbid a buyer that wants a decent horse…he gets just as much for a blind, club-footed 35 year old as he does for a gorgeous 4 year old purebred.
I read this blog frequently….here is the real issue as far as I am concerned…those of us who know how and what it means to “rescue” will have to continue to do so…until we can sterilize the terminally stupid on demand…and since they can’t recognize that they are stupid we have to first learn how to get that message to them….I figure door to door is the best way….just my opinion…it is very disturbing to think these people reproduce…not only is this foal in danger…but what are those poor lil kids gonna grow up to be?? Yep you guessed it!!!!
Jesus H. Christ, I keep coming back and reading more examples and horror stories, and it keep getting worse.
And to think I felt bad when I ran out of treats for my favorite old gelding. Shit.
My head really hurts. I thought it was the hangover, but I really think it’s from Stupidity Overload after reading about all of this.
I hate people.