Five Gazillion Served, Just This Year!
Sep 25 2007
A friend of mine made what I consider to be the Best Comment Ever about some horse rescues on another board today. Allow me to quote:
“They like sitting around and saying I saved X many horses. If they could they probably would put a sign out front like Mickey D’s.”
She goes on to point out that those who are into the numbers game are the same ones who get in over their heads and then wind up whining for help all over the Internet, or worse yet, wind up getting raided by Animal Control. They are the ones who will later excuse the rain rot and the thrush and the low body condition scores and the bad feet by whining that they’re a rescuuuuuuue and they don’t have any heeeeelp and it’s so haaaaard and hay is so expensive…
*passes out cheese to go with whine…*
Well, you know how you deal with high prices and needing help? It’s called getting a J-O-B. Possibly more than one. Many of you who spend your time whining all over the Internet for money somehow think that having 10 or 20 horses at home is a full time job. Um, no. Having 10 or 20 horses at home means you have to get up at 5 AM before work and feed, and it means that after you come home at night, you have feeding and cleaning and doctoring and perhaps exercising to do. It is not easy. It is exhausting. But it is also a choice. No one is holding a gun to your head forcing you to rescue horses.
Of course, you have to WANT to get a job (or at least accept that you don’t have a choice in the matter!). I notice a lot of rescuers are on disability a.k.a. “leeching off our tax dollars.” Here’s one report from a visitor to Choctaw Ridge rescue in Missouri: “I heard Beverly mention that they were going to have to postdate a check to pay for hay and that she was counting on her disability check to cover what she was planning on buying at the next stock sale on April 29th. My friend and I were both thinking that she should forget the sale and put the money toward some quality feed and foot trimming for all of the ones we saw.” Touche. And ya know what, if you’re healthy enough to stand around in pictures holding various horsies, YOU ARE HEALTHY ENOUGH TO WORK. Stop cheating the taxpayers and get off your duff!
Now we need to address what proper rescue is. Again, usual disclaimer, this is my opinion. You may feel free to disagree. I think rescue means rescuing for life. By that I mean that you don’t just overpay a killer buyer to gain a horse’s freedom and then scream all over the Internet “WE SAVED HIM FROM THE TRUCK!” and bask in the glow of your gullible donors telling you what an “angel” you are. Instead, you actually make your very best effort to fix everything that’s wrong with Punkin and make sure he’s still in a good home ten years later!
1. First of all, stop financing the kill buyers, you fools! Rescue straight from the auction, the prices are 1/3 what you pay Chuck Walker and Charlie Carter and guys like them, who have got your number and are laughing all the way to the bank. Or rescue from Craigslist and the local papers. Plenty of free horses there who need your help. Plenty coming off the racetracks too – often for free. LOPE in Texas puts out alerts on free TB’s quite frequently. They can hook you up for sure. It is not hard at all to find a rescue project, and you should not have to pay more than $300 for one EVER.
2. Second of all, you need to do ALL the vet work and get the feet done and evaluate the behavior/riding potential BEFORE, BEFORE, BEFORE you adopt out. You lazy jackasses who just flip horses left and right and send unhandled stock to people who have no freakin’ clue how to manage something more complicated than their 15 year old AQHA gelding or horses with severe health issues to novice horsepeople…you suck. You are not rescuing those horses. You are merely pocketing money as you set them up for a detour where they wind up hurting someone or their health issues go untreated out of ignorance and eventually they go right back on another double-decker. This is NOT rescue. The horse on the left is shown as confiscated from a “rescuer.” Yeah, good job there. Asshole. (To clarify, Blaze’s Tribute, which rehabbed this horse later, is a good rescue. They got him from an A.C. seizure from a bad rescue.)
3. Third, you need to have a CONTRACT. I am amazed at the number of rescue horror stories I hear where the rescue has to admit they did not get a contract before handing the horse off to the horse neglecter/horse abuser/bestiality practitioner. My God people, this is basic. Get a contract, preferably one drafted by a lawyer. Get it signed by an adult, before the horse goes anywhere out of your sight.
4. Fourth, you need to SITE CHECK. And see, I know you people who are adopting out 300 horses a year probably aren’t doing that. Maybe one or two rescues like that, particularly well staffed ones, have devised a system to accomplish this – but most of you have not. You accept photographs (could be the neighbor’s property) or references (hey, Susie, when they call, tell them my place is a showplace and make sure you don’t mention those two horses Animal Control took last year!) over checking things out yourselves. And so horses go off to barbed wire hell with a pond for water and some moldy hay that was on sale for $1.50 a bale. Again, this is not rescue.
5. Fifth, you need to FOLLOW UP. Again, this means getting off your butt and going for a visit. And if you see things aren’t right, you have to put on your Big Girl pants and request changes, and if your instructions aren’t followed, repo the horse per your contract This means making sure that you are not already so overwhelmed that you cannot possibly take the horse back because you have no place to put him. Any rescue horse should be considered as a potential boomerang. If you cannot or will not take back a horse you have adopted out, that’s not rescue.
Now, potential adopters, it’s also up to you to use your head. Just because something has a 501(c)(3) does NOT mean it is a good rescue! Here’s a lovely pic of conditions at Sleepy Hollow Horse Rescue in Washington State. Sleepy Hollow HAD their 501(c)(3). It bears noting that the treasurer of SHHR who used to host their web site at her personal domain is now president of Columbia Basin Equine Rescue, another 501(c)(3). (More info here) The bad rescuers NEVER get out of business…they change their location and name but the b.s. continues. (Much like sleazy used car dealers). I can name two rescuers in my immediate area who are being investigated by Animal Control and I’m praying they lose every one of their horses – it’s a long time coming in both cases. And that’s just my area. Good God, people. Here’s a clue, if Animal Control is on your doorstep and it’s not to drop off a horse and thank you profusely for your help, then you’ve become part of the problem.
Of course it’s hard to say no. I rescue on a small scale and right now, I cannot take a horse. I am at capacity with horses that must be permanent residents due to physical issues. However, I help network horses, I’ll haul if needed, I’m going to be doing some training for another rescue, and I’ve done a follow up visit on a previous placement just today. There are a lot of ways to help without taking on another horse when you know you cannot afford it/do not have room for it.
I’m sure someone will take this post as bashing rescues, but I’m not at all. I’m saying USE YOUR HEAD…don’t patronize a bad rescue any more than you patronize a backyard breeder. They are equally bad news. If you want to rescue a horse, go to your local auction OR choose a rescue that can tell you everything about the horse you’re considering, including the results of a vet exam after his rescue. Instead of being offended if a rescue checks you out thoroughly, be appreciative of the fact that this is a rescue that actually cares where the horse goes and is not just looking for you to write them a check and get another horse out of their hair. If you have money to donate, choose a rescue that is very public about their financials and where the money goes. Do a little research, just as with buying from a breeder – don’t pitch your money at some sloth who doesn’t want to get a job just because the pictures on their web site look pretty and the stories make you cry!
Hey, you morons at Carsley Horse Ranch and Rescue? RESCUERS DON’T RIDE FOALS! For fuck’s sake, are you smoking crack down there? This baby’s back end looks bad enough! ARE YOU PEOPLE COMPLETELY INSANE???
This is our Grand Prize Award Winner for today though. Meadow Haven Horse Rescue . As an alert reader points out (bullets are hers):
* They are a 501 3c horse rescue facility.
* They take in horses and ponies of any breed or mix.
* They CREATED their own TWO registries to then put select rescued ponies in. No, I’m not kidding.
1) American Pocket Pony
2) Standard Pocket Pony
* Their “assistant trainer” as they call him, is 5 years old. (I think you’d call him a guinea pig)
* They then BREED these mixed ponies to sell the offspring, or sell the now “registered” ponies for a PROFIT.
” A portion of the profit goes to “feed the rescue horses”.
* They also charge for anyone to register their ponies in these new registries, hence making more money.
* They ALSO breed CKC registered Dachsunds and sell them to “fund the horse rescue”!! They sell the pups online via paypal and will ship them by plane. (In case you did not know, the CKC lets you register ANY dog as long as you sign a paper that says you “swear” it’s purebred!!!! You can print the form right from the CKC web site…I did.) In other words, they are also a backyard breeder of mutts too!! But with a good cause of course!!
I agree with my alert reader. Although I am not opposed to a rescue sharing quarters with a legitimate breeding or training operation, WTF is a pocket pony? These people are just breeding mutt ponies and not very good looking ones at that. Not to mention the Crackerjack Kennel Club registered doxies. I will let their own words speak for themselves (with my comments in blue, of course!)
“We are now on 58 acres (mostly underwater per pics on the front page of the site) but we are still limited as to how many horses we can accept because we are lacking fencing at this time. (That’s because we are also lacking jobs and lacking any motivation to acquire jobs. Hot tape and t-posts are cheap, you twits.) We average 2 new horses a week and have to turn away just as many because we do not have stalls or pastures area to rehabilitate them in. We are opening a building fund for anyone who would like to contribute. At present only 10 acres are fenced and we do not have a barn, only 2 run in shelters. (Because god forbid you have the good judgment to wait to rescue 2 new horses a week until you have the proper facilities first) Since we rely entirely on donations we need your help! (Why do you rely entirely on donations? Too lazy to get a job or too stupid? I think Mickey D’s will take just about anybody with a pulse. Give it a shot!) If you can donate to our building fund, we can happily give you a tax reciept so you can get a tax break at the end of the year (please check with your acountant to find out more), as we are a non- profit 501 c 3 corporation. We have an attorney who can help you with this bequest anything you may like to donate. ” (You sound smart enough to get jobs, even if you can’t spell ‘receipt.’ You sure do understand tax breaks! Amazing how you can afford an attorney but not fencing, isn’t it?)
*sigh* Ridiculous. I could keep writing this post all night but I’ll stop here…
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Sarcastabitch–there’s an adoption prog. here in OH that allows you to come out and see, and they have contracts, will check up on you, and you can go back if the 2 of you don’t work out etc., etc.. Buuuuut…they say they don’t allow you to try riding them there ‘cos of their insurance. I can’t imagine what’s with their insurance (where I ride, there’s a sign reminding you of OH state law: You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred). Do other people in this situation not allow you to try riding a horse first?
OK, so I am still posting ads to bring bad breeders to this blog… What do you think of this one? Email the seller and receive an automatic reply with a link to this blog!
http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1101452
And I guess I’ll just pretend Fugally is the horse at the top of the blog. LMAO!
lynda – I’ve never heard “was-band” before. I love it. I’m going to add it to my vocabulary. My was-band is in the Army, my older son is a Marine. My younger son is away at college. Being an empty-nest-er after years as a single parent is wonderful, although I do miss having help with the “manly” outdoor chores.
surfzup – My second job is as a part-timer at Tractor Supply. I enjoy working there and make good use of the 15% employee discount. It does provides a never-ending source of irresponsible animal owner stories, but also sometimes provides an opportunity to do a little educating. The other night I had the chance to talk a guy out of putting up barbed wire fence for the horse he’s getting ready to buy.
And, as a follow-up to that rescue claiming that you could donate a horse and then take a huge tax-deduction, not entirely true. I donated a horse last year to a therapeutic riding program. When I talked to my accountant about deducting the value of the horse on my taxes, he told me that the IRS has really cracked down on charitable donations. He said they were doing more audits of people claiming large charitable deductions and requiring more proof that whatever you donated is really worth what you claim it is. His opinion was that I shouldn’t try and deduct anything for the horse unless I could “prove” her value, and he said according to the IRS, proving her value involved both presenting a bill-of-sale from when I purchased her showing that I had paid at least as much as I wanted to deduct, and getting a written appraisal of her value from an “expert.” So, it isn’t really as simple as getting a form from the non-profit and filling in whatever amount you want as the value of your donation.
kokorami,
I’m in Kansas and have my sign posted as well, but it’s always been my understanding that even with the sign posted, that you can still get the pants sued off of you if someone gets hurt riding your horse. It’s possible that their insurance won’t allow them to let people try out the horses because of them being rescues (and possibly unpredictable). Just a thought anyway….
oh, forgot to mention, that when I lived in Florida (same sign posted), that we had people sign a waiver before they could ride any horse on the property. Ironically, the scumbag owners of the property didn’t bother to include the owners of the neighboring property in this protection even though they always took everyone over there to ride on their 300 acres. They had permission to ride there, but like I said, they certainly didn’t include them in the waiver. I did mention this to other property owner. He wasn’t too thrilled to hear about that, but since my sister and I no longer live there, they really don’t have many people coming around to ride anyway!
They’re not exactly the most popular people in the county!
Did anyone catch this on the Meadow Haven site?
Under lessons, boarding & stable management, they offer a stable manager training program… (my comments in bold)
Instructor is certified with a BA degree in education, formerly a job placement counselor for the TX Workforce Center, Riding Instructor, and Published Equine Author. Formerly a job placement counselor? So what, they got tired of you taking everyone home to volunteer for you and clean stalls, feed, etc. so they fired you? Or did they give you the option to quit? Published Equine Author. Somethin’ tells me you are proud enough of whatever you wrote to chest thump a little and list yourself as a published author, but not bold enough to state the title, or where it was published. Feeling kinda iffy about it are ye?
Student must be in good physical condition, have health insurance, and be prepared to help with injured, abused, spooky, and untrained animals, and learn retraining techniques. I know people with GOOD jobs, REAL jobs who cannot afford health insurance.
I have a good job which offers health insurance and will even pay half of my insurance, but to pick it up on my hubby and child it is over $600 a month. Without owning even one horse we couldn’t afford that. Not with the cost of living, and the normal bills everyone has-mortgage/rent, utilities, car payments, car insurance, home owners insurance, property taxes, food, clothes, etc.
BTW- NOBODY at work has coverage extended to their families. Their family health care is either covered under a program through their spouses employer or state health care. As for state health care for us? We make ‘too much money’, again even without owning one horse.
If you can’t even ensure drivers have state law REQUIRED car insurance, how can you ‘require’ someone walking onto your property to have health insurance? How are you gong to enforce that one?
Maybe the laws and costs are different in your area, but I doubt they are THAT different.
mulerider & surfzup,
I originally applied for a PT job at TSC, but unfortunately, never heard a word…sigh…could have used that discount on Black Oil Sunflower seed…keeps going up in price. I did wind up getting a PT job at Bass Pro Shop….:-D they give a 40% discount on certain merchandise and 15% on the rest. Unfortunately, they don’t have many horse related items (or even ones I could make horse related!) But, it is a PT job that pays well!
More from the Meadow Haven stable management course-
The object of learning stable management at Meadow Haven is to help volunteer, while you become well rounded enough to suite any farm, raising any breed of horse, training for any discipline.
…to help volunteer,… Well why didn’t you just say you wnated a freebie to begin with?
You will be the ultimate caregiver that owners want to hire. Really??? Even if you are a complete asshole and treat people like shit, owners will want to hire you?
*headbang, headbang, headbang, headbang, headbang, headbang,*
kokorami, I know that in Canada if you run a stable, you need to pay a significant premium to get insurance to have non-owners ride horses…if I was a rescue, I probably wouldn’t spend the money for that insurance…especially if I did that kind of detailed follow-up. Let the people try the horse at home!
A lot of sellers are like that too…they want to find a good home, but they don’t have insurance to cover you…so some let you take the horse on a deposit, and will actively check up, be willing to bring the horse back if it doesn’t work out.
Stable owners are (understandably) sometimes really militant about this…especially with kids. All the waivers in the world don’t protect you if a parent of a hurt child sues you. A parent can’t sign away their CHILD’S right to sue. Sick, but there are a few precedents (I can’t remember all the details, I took contract law a while ago)
Just got this email today, apologies if ya’ll have seen it already. It is long but PERFECT!!
Dear Mr. & Mrs. Average Idiot,
We receive an extremely high volume of inquiries and requests to accept surrendered animals. To help us expedite your problem as quickly as possible, please observe the following guidelines:
1. Do not say that you are, “considering finding a good home,†or, “feel you might be forced to,†or, “really think it would be better if,†you unloaded the poor beast. Ninety-five percent of you already have your minds stone-cold made up that the animal will be out of your life by the weekend or holiday at the latest. Say so. If you don’t, I’m going to waste a lot of time giving you common-sense, easy solutions for very fixable problems and you are going to waste a lot of time coming up with fanciful reasons why the solutions couldn’t possibly work for you. For instance, you say the cat claws the furniture, and I tell you about nail=clipping and scratching posts and aversion training and then you go into a long harangue about how your husband won’t let you put a scratching post in the family room, and you ADHD daughter cries if you use a squirt bottle on the cat, and your congenital thumb abnormalities prevent you from using nail scissors and etc, etc. Just say you are getting rid of the cat.
2. Do not waste time trying to convince me how nice and humane you are. Your coworker recommended that you contact me because I am nice to animals, not because I am nice to people, and I don’t like people who “get rid of†their animals. “Get rid of†is my least favorite phrase in any language. I hope someone “gets rid of†you someday. I am an animal advocate, not a people therapist. After all, you can get counselors, special teachers, doctors, social workers, etc for your ADHD daughter. Your pet has only me, and people like me, to turn to in his or her need and we are overworked, stressed-out, and demoralized. So don’t tell me this big long story about how “We love this dog SO much and even bought him a special bed that cost $50, and it is just killing us to part with him, but honestly, our maid is just awash in dog hair every time she cleans, and his breath sometimes just reeks of liver, so you can see how hard we’ve tried and how dear he is to us, but we really just can’t….. You are not nice and it is not killing you. It is, in all probability, literally killing your dog, but you are going to be just fine once the beast is out of your sight. Don’t waste my time trying to make me like you or feel sorry for you in your plight.
3. Do not try and convince me that your pet is exceptional and deserves special treatment. I don’t care if you taught him to sit. I don’t care if she’s a beautiful Persian. I have a waiting list of battered and/or whacked-out animals who really need help and I have no room to shelter your pet because you decided you no longer have time for your 14 year-old Lab. Do not send me messages detailing how Fido just l-o-v-e-s blankies and carries his favorite one everywhere , and oh, when he gets all excited and happy, he spins around in circles, isn’t that cute? He really is darling so it wouldn’t be any trouble for us to find him a good home. Listen. We can go down to the pound and count the darling, spinning, blankie-loving beast on death row by the dozens, any day of the week. And, honey, Fido is a six year-old shepherd-mix weighing 75 pounds. I am not lying when I tell you big, older, mixed-breed, garden-variety dogs are almost always completely unadoptable, and I don’t care if they can whistle Dixie or send smoke signals with their blankies. What you don’t realize, though you’re trying to lie to me, you’re actually telling the truth: Your pet is a special, wonderful, amazing creature. But this mean old world does not care. More importantly, you do not care, and I can’t fix that problem. All I can do is grieve for all the exceptional animals who live short, brutal, loveless lives and die without anyone ever recognizing they were indeed very, very special.
4. Finally, for God’s sake, for the animal’s sake, tell the truth and the whole truth. Do you think if you just mumble that your cat is “high-strung†I will say “Okey-Dokey! No problem!†and then take it into foster care? No. I will start asking questions and uncover the truth, which is that your cat has not used a litter box in the last six months. Do not tell me you “can’t†crate your dog. I will ask what happens when you try to crate him and you will either be forced to tell me the symptoms of full-blown, severe separation-anxiety or else you will resort to lying some more, wasting more time.
And, if you succeed in placing your pet in a shelter or foster care, do not tell yourself the biggest lie of all: “Those nice people will take him and find him a good home, and everything will be fine.†Those nice people will indeed give the animal every possible chance, but if we discover serious health or behavior problems, if we find that your misguided attempts to train or discipline him have driven him over the edge, we will do what you are too immoral and cowardly to do: We will hold the animla in our arms, telling him truthfully he is a good dog or cat, telling him truthfully we are sorry and we love him, while the vet ends his life. Some are not so lucky and face the gas chamber, depending on the part of the country you are in… a slow, painful death.
How can we be so heartless as to kill your pet, you ask? Do not ever dare to judge us. At least we tried. At least we stuck with him to the end. At least we never abandoned him to strangers, as you certainly did, didn’t you?
In short, this little old rescuer/foster momma has reached the point where she would prefer you tell it like it is: “We picked up a free pet in a parking lot a couple of years ago. Now we don’t want it anymore. We’re lazier than we thought. We’ve got no patience either. We’re starting to suspect the animal is really smarter than we are, which is giving us self-esteem issues. Clearly, we can’t possibly keep it. Plus, it might be getting sick; it’s acting kind of funny. We would like you to take it in eagerly, enthusiastically and immediately. We hope you’ll realize what a deal you are getting and not ask us for a donation to defray your costs. After all, this is an (almost) pure-bred animal AND we’ll send the leftover food along with it. We get it at the discount store, and boy, it’s a really good deal. We are very irritated you haven’t shown pity on us in our great need and picked the animal up already. We thought you people were supposed to be humane! Come and get it today. No, we couldn’t possibly bring it to you; the final episode of ‘Survivor’ is on tonight.â€
~~~ Author Unknown ~~~
My fake ad reads…
“Surprise! My 4 year old, Cream Pintaloosa Shire Sport Horse & American Warmblood will offer you a grand surprise the morning your new foal is born. What color will it be? Can you wait 11 months to find out! That’s alright we have mares bred for 2008 and your surprise can be here by May. Could be cream, buckskin, have appaloosa spots, paint spots, a combo!!! Fugally is a gorgous horse, very smart and always correct. He’ll make great babies out of all mares. Stud fee $250″
If you email horsebreederwallofshame@yahoo.com you get an auto-reply with a link to this blog.
http://forum.horsetopia.com/showthread.php?t=65279
More fun times.
Please comment.
good god…. if I couldn’t laugh I’m sure I’d cry…. so keep up the good humor everyone!
walloshame- I like too how when you click on the seller details this blog is listed as the ‘farm website!’
Way To Go!!!!
sarcastabitch, how does that link to have ANYTHING to do with bad rescues? Did you cut&paste to the wrong discussion?
I found this on Pleasurehorse.com forums – in the YIKES column!!!!
http://www.homesteadingtoday.com/showthread.php?t=206698
Lynda- Love the word was~band, here’s another one for your vocabulary, that I learned just the other day
Frienemy- (Friend+Enemy=Frienemy) def. a person who is thought to be a friend, is said to be a friend or claims to be a friend, but whose actions and words are more in line with a person who is indeed the opposite and in fact, rather, your enemy.
Realisticly frightening, when you hear a word like that and several people’s names spring to mind…
wallofshame…you slay me….that is so funny! Maybe we should all do that! It would be funny to see how many cities could be covered!
Yvette- your post on CL was flagged and removed, why not return the favor to CBER?
I will flag the add for you too and maybe if enough of us here do the same, their shamless plea for money to support their crack habits will move somewhere else.
That’s the one thing about CL is they allow people like them CBER, to post at will, yet when someone else posts the truth about a group like theirs, who gets flagged? The honest folks trying to bring awareness to the group for everyone else…
>>>>sarcastabitch said…
A lot of sellers are like that too…they want to find a good home, but they don’t have insurance to cover you…so some let you take the horse on a deposit, and will actively check up, be willing to bring the horse back if it doesn’t work out.< <<<<
In most states a person/stable cannot be held liable for injuries relating to equine activities. We have our property clearly posted to that effect. Horse owners wouldn’t be able to have farriers or vets on their property if they could be held liable for their injuries.
Horse owners wouldn’t be able to have farriers or vets on their property if they could be held liable for their injuries.
I don’t know American laws very well, but in Canada:
Vets and farriers are covered by the worker’s compensation board, and as the employer, you must prove that you exercised due diligence in providing a safe workplace. Now, due care and diligence in a horse situation is probably just not leaving razor blades lying around or forcing the farrier to work in the pitch dark…not likely that you could be held liable for injuries caused by a horse…although, if the animal had a history of bad behavior and you failed to mention it, you could potentially be sued under the Occupational Health and Safety Act for negligence.
I think it would be highly unlikely though.
As for laypeople riding horses, many insurance companies refuse to cover accidents relating to horses…SO when people are injured, they sue the owners personally for damages. That’s why the horse owner needs to carry insurance…because they CAN be held liable in the event of serious injury.
All the waivers in the world don’t help…especially just by posting them on the property. You need to ensure that the individual read, understood and was of sound mind and body when they read it…and it is usually void without a signature. In the case of ski resorts, you buy the lift ticket, and it comes with the waiver, but in several recent cases, ski hills have been held liable for injury.
Why?
Because it was determined that they had not made the activity “as safe as possible”…(guy skiied into a sign that was turned the wrong way).
I know that a lot of buyers lie about their riding qualifications, so many sellers refuse to let anyone ride horses on their properties. There’s always the “I didn’t recognise the risk, the seller didn’t tell me it was a kicky/bitey/bucky/reary horse” It’s actually a reasonable practice given the lawsuit-happy society we live in…where it is frequently the victim who is favored.
I don’t understand these people that crow about the fact they outbid the kill buyer at an auction and saved old Sally from him. Kill buyers are in it to make money. They bid by what the going rate for meat is per pound and how much they guess the horse weighs so the bigger the horse the more they bid. They are not going to get into a bidding war and drive up the price so that they end up losing money.
The problem in the US is, that you can be sued, the law suit doesn’t have to have merit and might even be thrown out. But in the mean time, you have to pay for legal council and that gets very expensive.
So it doesn’t matter, how many signs you post or how many waivers are being signed, you can still be sued.
The case with the judge suing the dry cleaners over a pair of pants is a fine example.
Thanks to everyone for making the insurance thing a bit clearer…I guess it’s not a matter of the law, but theory vs. real life. If people want the money badly enough, they probably will sue, and it scares the hell out of everyone else as a result.
WallOfShame–damn you. At least I take my coffee black, so it cleans up a little easier when I spit it all over the place…really, forget the pic here, someone good w/it should try and photoshop some kinda frankenhorse together just to help snag prospective buyers.
I so want to see if you get any replies.
Paint pic–How can I comment? I don’t like his neck much, and he seems cow-hocked, but I really have wondered: how DO you judge conformation on pics at weird funky angles? Can you?
BlueDevil–I just remembered, appalled _is_ spelled with 2 p’s. I would’ve been calling the hwy. cops first and taking pics just after putting the phone down. I dearly hope God watches out for those in idiots’ care as much as watching out for idiots, though I have my doubts after seeing some animals mentioned here.
But in the mean time, you have to pay for legal council and that gets very expensive.
I hope that the US has the same law here…if someone lodges a frivolous lawsuit against you, they are required to pay all your legal fees and other incurred expenses!
I hope!
I found this and it made me laugh..couldn’t be more true!
WHAT THE AD’S REALLY MEAN:
Attention getting —–> no one will miss this horse’s bad habits
Big-strided —–> whoa! damn it, whoa!!
Black —–> brown
Broodmare prospect —–> not sound or broke but might be fertile
Cow Bred —–> but afraid of cows
Easy Keeper —–> fat
Elegant —–> skinny
Great Project —–> has big issues
Lots of Potential —–> hasnt done a thing
Need Finishing —–> see “great project”
Never stops at fences —–> including the corral and pasture fences
Reining prospect —–> spins and runs when startled
Serious inquiries only —–> overpriced
Show quality —–> but never shown
Sound —–> …today
Spirited —–> psychotic
Trail riding horse —–> ring sour
Will mature to 16 hands —–> currently a 14.2 4yr old
Cutnjump- yeah, I admit my first impulse was to flag them right back. But then I thought that having the title of my first post: “Be careful giving to charities, especially CBER” still visible in their reply, may make someone do a little research – that they would notice the kerfluffle on the board, and it might lead them to think twice.
I just noticed another person just posted on CL that “…instead of working to save horses, you are working to get them killed. “
Yeah. That is what I am doing.
I was very upset to read that Girl Scout horses were on a feedlot and at risk for slaughter. I have always been a big supporter of the Girl Scouts and found this unacceptable. I e-mailed them to let them know I could not support an organization that would send horses to slaughter.
This is the reply I received:
Thank you for your message. Let me start by saying we are in no way associated with the horses you saw in the listing. We have been made aware of the posting and are doing our best to correct the situation and have all association with Girl Scouts removed. Girl Scouts of the USA has also been notified of this posting.
These horses did not come from this area and are not associated with any area councils. The rescue team thought a mention of them coming from a Girl Scout camp and renaming them cookie names might help speed their adoption. Unfortunately they did not consider the damage it would do to the good name of Girl Scouts.
Please help us spread the accurate message. I hope you will reconsider your decision about supporting Girl Scouts.
Thank you.
Teri Wessels
Board Chair
wessfour@aol.com
I include Teris e-mail address for those wishing to offer support.
This is copied from the Missouri law which was amended in 1994 to provide more protection to equine professionals/owners:
(d) Riding, inspecting or evaluating an equine belonging to another, whether or not the owner has received some monetary consideration or other thing of value for the use of the equine or is permitting a prospective purchaser of the equine to ride, inspect or evaluate the equine;
I have no worries allowing people to come try out the mare I have for sale. If someone tries to sue me it will be a civil matter and I won’t hire an attorney because I can go into court myself and state that I’m protected under Missouri’s equine law and the judge will throw it out – he would have to because it’s the LAW in plain black and white. Anyone in Missouri who handles horses and is halfway intelligent knows this and wouldn’t sue anyway.
http://www.homesteadingtoday.com/showthread.php?t=208753
Found this great conformation critique thread. Read at least the first 10 posts.
OMG, you seriously need to be sainted. I work in the animal health industry and I am SO SICK of people declaring themselves a “rescuer” because they feed a stray cat…and that is all they do with it.
youknowwho,
maybe you should post that on the craiglist that cber has their ad….of course you probably should get permission from the author, but it certainly would “get their goat”!
Horsepoor said
Anyone in (place name of any state here) who handles horses and is halfway intelligent knows this and wouldn’t sue anyway.
So that would be a total of, what, 17 people then?
rsePoor said…
I don’t understand these people that crow about the fact they outbid the kill buyer at an auction and saved old Sally from him. Kill buyers are in it to make money. They bid by what the going rate for meat is per pound and how much they guess the horse weighs so the bigger the horse the more they bid. They are not going to get into a bidding war and drive up the price so that they end up losing money.
September 27, 2007 11:49 AM
This is what I have said all along. Anyone going to an auction should be well aware of the price per pound the horses will bring. We have done that for years. If a kb cannot make money on a horse they will not keep bidding.
Awhile back some goofy FOB woman bid to over $2000 to rescue a horse from the KBs. What a moron, some auction shill bid the horse up, not a kb who would have gotten maybe 300 for the horse. Believe me they can figure almost to the ounce what a horse will weigh and they aren’t going to bid a penny over that amount. If she had stopped bidding at 300 the auction house would simply have been stuck with the horse.
For those of you debating about CBER having or not having a trailer, go back and look at the picture on the original post by Fugs. She has a flatbed, two axel trailer right next to the truck.
It shouldn’t take too much to put together something like the one in the homestead forum. Just think how many she could get on board and drag home, to live in squalor like the ones in the picture…
Hell I bet they would jump on the trailer themselves in hopes of getting out of there.
Hey youknowwho – I agree with Greywolf!
Post your email from the Girl Scouts to Seattle Craigslist Pets and “get their goat”!!
ps: did you know the saying “get your goat” comes from horse racing? Goats are common stablemates of horses at the track, for companionship. If you want your competitor’s horse to be all freaked out before the race, go “get his goat”!
I it gets postedon Seattle Craigslist, you all have to flag it or they will just get it removed!
sarcastabitch said…
http://forum.horsetopia.com/showthread.php?t=65279
More fun times.
Please comment.
Here’s what I have to say about Horsetopia:
IT IS AN ENTIRE FORUM MADE UP ALMOST SOLELY OF FUGLY BREEDERS AND THE SHEEP THAT FOLLOW THEM. I’ve seen only a scant handful of exceptions.
FHOTD, you should check out Horsetopia. You’d have enough material for a year’s worth of snark, no doubt!!!
didnt the legendary Eclypse have a pet sheep? there is a famous painting i believe of him with his sheep. its definetly true about race horses and goats, ive had to “wean” several retired race horses from their goat in my lifetime. a thoroughbred i used to own named Lumbard Street was so depressed when he came off the track that he wouldnt eat or respond to much of anything because his goat did not come with him. the stable owner (who owned him before i bought him) was so worried that she bought him a new goat, a three month old kid. the poor kid was scared to death of the huge black horse though, we had to put him in a dog crate in Lumbards stall to keep him from running away from him. it was so cute to see this HUGE gelding with his muzzle pressed up against the bars of the crate looking at his baby goat. in a few days the goat and horse were total buddies and Lumbard came alive again. eventually i weaned him from his goat too through a slow process of replacing the goat friend with horse friends =)
yvette,
That’s funny…I worked at a racetrack for nine years before foolishly moving to Florida (my senses eventually returned and I moved back to Kansas)…anyway, this trainer by the name of Butch Gleason had a horse named Dighton Drifter that raced at the track for many years. Dighton Drifter had a “pet” pony that had to be brought to the test barn anytime the horse won (or was selected). He would just be a basket case until that pony got there! I only remember one goat at the track.
My trainer used to rehab race horses, and now owns Chinook Pass, and he still has a goat, he is 28! (Chinook, not the goat) I think he has had a couple of goats throughout the years. It is funny to see the big TB gelding with the little pygmy goat!
Anyhow, way off topic. but cute.
sarc-
But in the mean time, you have to pay for legal council and that gets very expensive.
I hope that the US has the same law here…if someone lodges a frivolous lawsuit against you, they are required to pay all your legal fees and other incurred expenses!
I hope!
No such luck! I had a case a while back where Jaquiline Michelle Havel called the cops on me. She called in as a hit & run accident. (She was passing me illegally and speeding in a residential area, while the children are out waiting for the schoolbus. NICE!)
When the cops showed up 15 miles and two counties over (out of jurisdiction), they origianlly stated hit & run and then changed the story while standing in front of me. ???
I pointed out several holes in the story to the officers (2 of them) while they were standing there. Common sense showed right through everything that she was full of shit! Guess what.
I got the ticket and $3500 to hire an attorney. In the mean time while waiting to go to trial, the Bitch called the cops on her own hubby and LIED, telling them he beat the shit outta her. (I wish he had and he probably does too!)
They went to trial before we did and she broke down on the stand, under oath and Admitted she LIED about everything.
Although she was served and handed a supoena, by the court to show up for our case, she did not. (I thought you got into trouble for that, but apparrently she didn’t!) Had it actually proceeded to the point of her taking the stand, she would have been sworn in and then immediately read her miranda rights as she would have instantly perjured herself by opening her mouth at all.
We were advised by the attorney to sue her in a civil case for the attorneys fees, as well as time lost from work, to meet with him, etc. The case transcripts were proof she is a liar and will even lie under oath, and they are public record for all the world to see, read, etc… Sounds open and shut. Right? Think again…
When we contacted another attorney to proceeed, we were told: “Drop it and forget about it. The courts are soooo overloaded with these cases, you would be lucky to break even. It’s just not worth it.”
Had I been found guilty of the charge listed on my citation, I would have faced up to 1 year in jail and up to $2500 in fines for something I didn’t even do. Wahoo!
Not sure if any/all of you have heard of, or even like Tom Leykis, but his opinion is that
Whatever sentencing the falsely accused faces, the false accuser GETS. It would be automatic, no arguing. They would get the max and there would be no plea barganing, no deals of any kind- automatic, the max.
I can’t agree more! It would sure put a stop to a lot of falsely accused crimes, and so much of the BS going on…
A little O/T but seriously amusing and humorous-
Click on any of the pictures for a full sized. My favorite is towards the bottom and on the left- Teamwork. It applies to BYB’s!
http://despair.com/viewall.html
CutNJump,
i love those demodivational posters, i have several of them. i have a poster i myself in honor of my first coaches importal words. its a picture of me at about 14 years old flying over my horses head as the horse stops out at 3′ “wall” jump. across the top in bold print it say “If At First You Dont Succeed… Your Doing It Wrong.”
Here’s the craigslist post:
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/pet/433880018.html
Here’s what I have to say about Horsetopia:
IT IS AN ENTIRE FORUM MADE UP ALMOST SOLELY OF FUGLY BREEDERS AND THE SHEEP THAT FOLLOW THEM. I’ve seen only a scant handful of exceptions.
So who are you on there?
Hey, right on youknowwho! I think that is an important part of this saga.
Tatika,
There are over 500 federally recognized tribes in the United States and probably 100 state recognized tribes. I commend you for getting to know all of them because that seems about the only non-racist way you can make the statement to not give horses to Native Americans.
So take your racist shit elsewhere please, no need for it anywhere in the civilized world.
“Hi, let me whine about horses but treat people like they are all the same.”
Arrogant ignorant asshole.
Barnibus- I loved those and printed them out. I will be ordering some for sure…
Whenever I screw up on horseback, I know it was 99.9% of the time-pilot error. I usually hear the following: Leave him/her (the horse of course!) alone, s/he knows his/her job. Or my other non-favorite: THAT WAS ALL YOU!
to which I know is the full truth, but not always receptive to hearing it, although later I have to realize it at some point for what it is… grumble, grumble under my breath… snarl at my own shortcomings. (But NEVER taking it out on the horse! EVER!)
sarcastabitch said…
Here’s what I have to say about Horsetopia:
IT IS AN ENTIRE FORUM MADE UP ALMOST SOLELY OF FUGLY BREEDERS AND THE SHEEP THAT FOLLOW THEM. I’ve seen only a scant handful of exceptions.
So who are you on there?
September 27, 2007 2:14 PM
I gave up that skanky place a long long time ago. Too many chiefs and not enough indians… everyone worships the handful of people who insist their way is the ONLY way and don’t tolerate any outside opinions.
I thought message boards and forums like that were for learning, not advertising for your shit breeding programs and training businesses… apparently not at Horsetopia!
I am not a horse rescuer, nor am I collecting disability payments of any kind. But your comments that people collecting disability are leeching off of taxpayers, and that if someone is healthy enough to take a picture with a horse, they are healthy enough to work, are plain ignorant.
There are a lot of people on disability in this country. Many of them are leeches who are healthy enough to work, but just as many of them are not. I am a disabled person who is not collecting federal disability, because my state deliberately lied about my case so I would not be approved.
I can walk and I can stand up for a picture, but I am not healthy enough to work a full-time job. I might be able to do it for a week or two, but my body would collapse shortly after that. I have had one very part-time job since I went on disability four years ago (I went on disability at my doctor’s advice.) I go to college part-time because I am hoping to make something of myself; I don’t want to be trapped in poverty like so many disabled people. I am hoping that getting an education will help me to eventually be able to make enough money, working part-time, to support myself. I am also hoping that I recover or a new treatment is discovered, but I know I can’t count on that.
And I wrote the above two paragraphs because I know that anyone stepping in to defend people who are disabled is going to get excoriated and accused of being a slacker, a leech, etc.
I’ve never leeched off of taxpayers. But you know, I started working when I was 15, and I WAS a taxpayer throughout that time. Now in my hour of need, I get nothing. Think about those people you call leeches: chances are they paid taxes too at some point. How are they leeching?
I gave up animal rescue years ago because I got too sick to keep up anymore. I suspect that many of these horse rescue people feel trapped or do not understand that they can’t keep up anymore. One thing about being disabled, it makes you feel useless. I can’t describe how good I feel whenever I can do SOMETHING that makes some money, or helps someone else, or even just accomplished something. These people probably desperately want to be DOING something, and via working with horses, they feel like they are.
I’m certainly not saying that these people should be getting more horses (or any sort of animal) than they can manage. What they need is someone to tell them that they are in over their head and help them get back above water.
00Goddess- WELL PUT!
I know of one person, who is perfectly capable of getting and holding a good job, as are the rest of the leaches in her house, but instead they would all rather ‘work the system’ than an honorable days work, and collect a healthy check.
Hence the bumper sticker- Go to Work and Work Hard, Millions on Welfare Depend on YOU!
I also have a neighbor who is in the process, as we speak, of getting screwed by the state for taking care of her disabled son. Oh and she gets to shell out the money for an attorney worth two shits, to help her fight it.
It seems our system and some (not all) of the people working for it, are screwing the folks who need it the most and paying the ones who don’t deserve any of it. Being in a border state, we see it every day… more and more.
As for using a disability check to fund an animal rescue operation, well to me that is right up there with using child support money for things other than the childs needs, but that too is another ball of, um (shit!) wax…
Why do people have to take offense at everything said? If a comment or opinion doesn’t apply to you, then it doesn’t apply. It’s not like we know who you really are! Can’t you people take these remarks for what they are, and know that they apply to those who are truly worthy of the remark? Geesh! General statements are just that. General. If someone made a general comment that Arabian horses are flighty, why does someone have to write some long spiel defending them because they have the one that isn’t? General statements are general statements. The majority of what they are referring to can be very much true as stated. If you are the exception, congratulations.
hey youknowwho,
i just nominated your ad for “best of craigslist”. If everyone goes on there and does the same, wouldn’t that just piss off CBER if you did get it! Heh, heh (or is that BWAHAHAHAHA?)
We all thank you Greywof!
Methinks CBER might have met it’s match in Fugly Horse of the Day!
Wouldn’t that be ironic!
If anyone has any doubt that this blog is working to help educate people about responsible breeding, check out this comment from the other day:
major said…
i just want to start out and say that i LOVE this website! i want to breed horses when i get older and this website has really made me realize just how important it really is to breed top quality horses. i mean i always knew that i wanted my horses to have awesome conformation and temperments but reading these stories about these IDIOTS who should never own a horse let alone breed made me even more determined to breed amazing horses. it’s so sad to know that people keep pushing out these fugly horses it’s like handing out death sentences for them. people need to really think before they breed.
Top O’The Morgan:
This is a late reply, but you asked about the Colorado Horse Rescue. Please visit their site at
http://www.CHR.org
They seem to be very respectable and to know what they’re doing.
FHoTD: Their adoption contract clearly states (among other things):
* “Adopter agrees not to breed any horse adopted from CHR.”
* “If Adopter does not have experience with horses, Adopter will be asked to take at least one basic horsemanship class before adoption will be approved.”
There are nearly two pages of adoption conditions that help to ensure the well-being of the horse, and to ensure CHR’s ability to repossess the horse in the event that it is not receiving the proper care.
And then there are the contracts for Fostering, Volunteering or Surrendering…
All in all, they look like a rescue worthy of the name.
OK, my ad for craigs list…
OK my ad for craigs list…
“For free to responsible breeder: One Cream QH pregnant mare bred to my 4 year old, Cream Pintaloosa Shire Sport Horse & American Warmblood. What a grand surprise it’ll be the morning your new foal is born! What color will it be? Find out in May! Could be cream, buckskin, have appaloosa spots, paint spots, a combo!!! My stallion and this mare are very smart and always correct. He makes great babies out of all mares. Not sure how old she is, hasn’t been broke to ride, wicked pritty! Makes wondeful foals, she is the dam of my stallion. 10-15 more bred mares to choose from. Hay is too expensive, selling all, but two mares and my stallion before winter. Will trade breedings to stallion for hay.”
See I have spelling mistakes, inbreeding and everything. My fake breeding program is really taking off!!!!
Oh God! Some one has already seriously ansered my fake stallions ad! LOL! Leave it to good old Uncle Henry’s online…
“Could you send me photos of your stud? I have a belgian quarter horse cross mare i want bred in the spring. Thanks, Jess
I am responding to the Uncle Henry`s ad listed below.”
This is pathetic! She needs to read this blog!!!!!!
horsebreederwallofshame said:
“Oh God! Some one has already seriously ansered my fake stallions ad! LOL! Leave it to good old Uncle Henry’s online…
“Could you send me photos of your stud? I have a belgian quarter horse cross mare i want bred in the spring. Thanks, Jess
I am responding to the Uncle Henry`s ad listed below.”
This is pathetic! She needs to read this blog!!!!!!”
—- Send her a link to the Fugly home page and tell her your stallion is on this website.
barnibus said
” that chick on one peice a fuckin shit twat-waffle…”
LOL! Good thing I wasn’t drinking or eating or I’d be cleaning off my brand new monitor.
WTF is a “twat-waffle” anyway? Or do I really want to know?
00goddess wrote:
“your comments that people collecting disability are leeching off of taxpayers, and that if someone is healthy enough to take a picture with a horse, they are healthy enough to work, are plain ignorant.”
FOR THE RECORD, I did NOT say healthy enough to take a picture…
I said healthy enough to do the day to day work of caring for horses. The rescues that I’m aware of claim to be providing actual care for the horses themselves. NOW, others have told me that many do not do the care. BY CARE I mean, clean stalls, water, feed, put up hay bales, groom, clean feet and many other very physical activities. EVERY DAY and many things twice a day, 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year.
I’m sorry, but if someone can maintain 6+ rescue horses on a daily basis AND still have the time to troll the internet for donations and more horses, its hard to understand how they can’t maintain a job. I can name plenty of jobs that require next to no skills and are not nearly as physically taxing as maintaining a herd of horses.
The other aspect of disabled rescuers is that they are on a limited amount of income. So when the donors get distracted, say be Christmas or some major world event, who is going to feed the horses then? Who is going to pay the vet bills? I can’t even count how many ‘rescues’ I know of personally or through the web who say the *** vet won’t come out because we still owe for ****.
I always take care of 3 things before all else. The mortgage, the feed guy and the vet. Life can go to hell and I can have my dog strapped to a spinning wheel for electricity, but I never short those three people.
BTW – TSC interview seemed to go good today. Its only part time, but better than NO money comming in. And got a hauling trip tomorrow to a track that I wanted to see anyway. Too bad I don’t have a fancy wireless laptop cause I’ll have to kill 6+ hrs waiting for the horse to run so I can haul it back. Oh well, maybe I’ll take a bale of straw and braid up some straw hearts to decorate and sell as crafts.
Sure would make life easier if I could convince people that road apples are a cool Christmas gift worth about $10/’pile’
— they do manage to sell fake plastic doggie doo… this is not only the REAL thing, but its also organic and recycle-able in the garden! PLUS they could be used as a mean joke (or incentive program) for little girls to be good (promising the pony that made the pile).
Remember the joke about the little girl in the room full of shi*t?
hey, in New England they lacquer moose and deer poop and make it into jewelry–why not horse manure???
cuillin wrote:
in New England they lacquer moose and deer poop and make it into jewelry–why not horse manure???
I didn’t know that! Any special lacquer? I’m gonna have to try that out or google up instructions! OMG, I’d be in 7th heaven if I could actually get someone to buy poop off of me! Maybe I could even expense my best pooper on my taxes! I have a filly that is making nice little ones right now (sort of the desk size version).
Sorry but I’m not buying.
If you can go to college part time, why can’t you work part time? What is the difference?
There are jobs where you can work from home and do nothing more than answer a telephone and take messages all day. Or make sales calls.
There are jobs where you can do data entry from home or transcription. You are typing on the Internet right now, so obviously your disability does not prevent you from typing at a computer (unless someone else is typing your post for you?)
When I think of too disabled to work, I think of a person who is quadriplegic or in constant pain and unable to do anything for more than a few minutes at a time, or someone who is so mentally ill or mentally retarded that they are unable to perform any sort of work because they can’t follow directions or even function at a basic level. Those are the people government assistance was intended for, and I don’t begrudge them the help.
I do understand that you’re not collecting disability, but your post has failed to convince me that you are totally unemployable and likewise, I think that most people on disability are not totally unemployable.
We’ve ranged far off topic here…but that’s my opinion. I’ve never claimed to be p.c. here, not on any issue.
scoobiedoobiefug said: >>Oh my WORD! You need to go to http://www.terrier.com and read up on the Jack Russell Terrier Club of America. AKC registers entire litters of puppies, regardless of quality or health testing. < <
Yes, exactly! That’s it’s purpose: the recording and preservation of bloodlines of accepted breeds.
The Jack Russel registry you mention is a breed registry – not the same thing, obviously.
Personally, I think all breed registries should keep the health and welfare of it’s registered members as a priority. Not just dogs, but horses! Your JR registry is a good example of this.
The registry for my horse breed is a relatively new organization, resulting from the merger of two pre-existing – and antagonistic – registries. In my personal opinion, they’ve been WAY slow to meet this obligation on behalf of the breed they represent and promote.
…so I know what you’re saying and how important that is.
Forthe AKC, that’s just not their mandate. Theirs is primarily pedigree recording, as well as sanctioning events and recording those results.
So, I think we agree on what the AKC does, and on the breed registry and the value of what they do.
It seems like we disagree on whether or not the AKC *should* perform these other functions.
I’m okay with their restricted role, as long as people understand that’s what their registration papers mean… no more, no less.
FHOD, I met Soot (one of the cuddlycowgirl casualties) when she came into a sub rescue in WA. Good ol CBER really checked her out now didn’t they? Arrrrgh, I get sick to my stomach every time I remember her. Horrificly starved with a broken fetlock but she came back to life in a few months. However, that didn’t last long for any of them and they are lucky if they get food more than every couple of days anymore. The demographic for these bad rescues does seem to be middle-aged women, who have crap stallions, claim to be trainers (LOL!) too lazy/stupid to get a job and just assume all their horses magically get fed and watered by some gullible but well-meaning volunteer type who may or may not bother to show up.
My filly is just one of the babies that came in from the lot at their mare’s side. CBER sneaked those in to an already overcrowed rescue they publically said they would NEVER send another horse to but did so under the radar. Like all the others, they languished, and continue to languish with little care other than to be fed on occasion. I got her for an owed vet bill but the vet was never paid and the rescuer just lined her pockets as she usual. She certainly never missed a meal or was without cigarettes but the horses she so lovingly rescued continue to wait in her dante’s version of horse hell.
Frankly, I’d sooner put a bullet in my rescue horse’s brains myself before I’d ever surrender them back to any stinkin’ piece of shit rescue org. Sadly, the vast majority of rescues are nothing but cons anymore with pyschos running the asylum.
>>What do you think of this one? Email the seller and receive an automatic reply with a link to this blog!
http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1101452< <
That’s brilliant! I love it. Wish I could congratulate the person who created it. If you’re reading this blog …consider yourself congratulated.
“—- Send her a link to the Fugly home page and tell her your stallion is on this website.”
I had received quite a few emails about another ad I had posted, before someone flagged it and it was taken down for having the link right in it. So… This time I left the link out of the actual ad and have the email address on auto-reply that gives more info on my “stallion” and sends them the link for more info and the mares that we have infoal for 2008!!! He! He!
We are listed as Breed Better Ranch, The Horse Breeder Wall Of Shame Ranch, Fugally Ranch, and the seller is named Con Cerned.
The “stallions” name is “Con’s Fugally Mixaster.” It’s a fancy way of saying “Concerned’s Fugly Mixed Disaster.”
“That’s brilliant! I love it. Wish I could congratulate the person who created it. If you’re reading this blog …consider yourself congratulated.”
Thank You!!! Also, see my ad on Craiglist, Uncle Henry’s online, Equine.com, horsetopia.com, equinenow.com, and just about every free ad site that comes up on google.
I work at a call center and have a lot of free time on the computer (which I have to sit at) in between calls. I started reading this Blog a few months ago and thought it was great, so started creating ads with the link.
continuing on the OT “disability” issue… YES there are scammers. I have met more than a few. But there are also people with completely invisible disabilities. People who look perfectly healthy to the casual observer but have some condition that keeps them from being able to work.
There’s also the matter of the screwed-up health care system. Hint: if you’re disabled, you’re not going to be able to get health insurance easily, and you’re going to need health care. I have a couple of friends who work P/T and keep their hours low enough to qualify for Medicaid/Medicare — because that is the ONLY way they can get health care. This is not what they want to do; it’s what they have to do.
Please note I am not saying that folks whose only income is disability payments should own horses. Just that the situation is way more complicated than you think it is.
>>horseBreederWallOfShame said…
My fake ad reads…
“Surprise! My 4 year old, Cream Pintaloosa Shire Sport Horse & American Warmblood will offer you a grand surprise the morning your new foal is born. What color will it be? Can you wait 11 months to find out! That’s alright we have mares bred for 2008 and your surprise can be here by May. Could be cream, buckskin, have appaloosa spots, paint spots, a combo!!! Fugally is a gorgous horse, very smart and always correct. He’ll make great babies out of all mares. Stud fee $250″ < <
———-
So, just for fun, here’s my “response” to her ad… I tried to hit as many of the points discussed here in the last couple of days as I reasonably could fit in:
——————
“Dear Ms/Mr Breederwallofshame:
I’m thrilled to get your prompt reply! Thanks! I love your first name,
Horse, too.I am expecting my 11th and will put that name on the list!
A couple of questions: Which of my mares do you think he’ll breed best with?
Beensie Buttons, my mini-appy-Fallabella-look-a-like, out of a Hackney Pony
mare, sired by the cutest, teensie little mini-Appaloosa that got out from
our our neighbor’s fence when he was 3 months old. LOL, who’d have thought?
We were all so sad when his leg problems got worse and they had to put him
down when he was six years old. My mare’s legs aren’t nearly as bad as his
and hardly bother her at all. My vet is really, really helpful to me – he’s
only got three clients out here, so he’s very attentive…
We got this mare that we got after she spent a decade or so on a pony ring.
.
She’s only able to turn left, and has chronic laminitis in her inside
hooves, but it can’t be too bad as she never tries to kick us. That’s how I
know she has a good disposition and will be just a great mom. She’s 11 hands
and super sturdy, (although in all fairness, my vet said she’s dangerously
obese
She’s twenty seven years old, but my vet says ponies live about ten years
longer than horses, so I figure that’s like she’s 17, right? 17 year olds
can be bred, if they’re ponies. And I also heard that the foal adapts to
the mom’s size, so it probably would’nt hurt her too much if at all, would
it? I’m sure the foal would be absolutely awesome.
Or, perhaps my other mare would be better. She’s a foundation mare in of the
new registry that I started just for her: the ‘WonderGaited Horse Registry
of the Universe.’ We accept only horses that have one gaited parent and one
non-gaited parent, and we do NOT discriminate on the basis of breed or type.
We love guessing and making bets on whether each new foal will gait or not!
We’ve got almost a hundred members now, and we think it’s special that not
one of them is registered with any other organization. I think that says a
lot for our registry, don’t you?
This mare is part Peruvian and part Norwegian Fijord horse. It sounds like a
Shire Sport horse/American Warmblood would be a very tall and very stocky
horse. I like mine either too small, or too tall, hahahahahahahahahahaha And
I think that a cross with my PeruFiordvian mare ought to give the bulldog
look I like so much. – I like ‘em solid! So, a cross with my half
draft-trotter, half hot-blood gaited mare might just make a perfect match
for your stallion.
I’ve never been able to catch her since I put her into that 15 acres five
years ago, and I can’t really see her very well since she runs from me and
gets the herd all fired up. So, I just quit catching her, and I can’t really
see her very well. So, I don’t know for sure if my mare gaits, as I can’t
get close enough… but I’m sure she must ‘cuz she has a perfect four-beat
walk.
Can you make some recommendations about which mare to use? One could produce
a fabulous maybe-mini-drafty-sorta-shire-possible-pintaloosa-dilute. Gosh
….I bet it would make nice foals, don’t you? OR, The other could produce a
dynamite
maybe-gaited-surely-drafty-sorta-Paso-Shire-related-run-away-you-can’t-catch
-me-machine. I could name it “Blows Through Fences” because it will be so
strong!
I do believe either match should produce a nice, coarse-boned horse with a
huge head to hold lots of brains. That’s important as the foal will be
trained by my 5 year old child. Of course, the foal/s won’t be really be
ready for training untl they’re nearly two, by which time she’ll be eight.
As horse-crazy as this kid is, I’m sure she’ll handle starting and training
the pony/drafty/horsey thing just great. What a kid! I’m so proud of her
You might want to consider hiring my daughter, she’s really good. We’ve
decided to hold her out of pre-shool and first and second grade so that we
can concentrate on getting the Guiness Book of Works Records for the
youngest female horse trainer in several categories!
So, please let me know which mare you think I should use, or if I should
save up my money and breed both of them (I was thinkin of selling the two of
the wires on my five wire fence to get some money for these breedings. Lots
of people have three wire fences, and I know that the crackheads are selling
metal to somebody for money. If I can just get the wire rolled up and in my
car without the barbed parts tearing everything up I think I’d get enough
money to get both mares bred.
Looking forward to hear from you with hour advice, and PLEASE send photos! “
Okay, that is hilarious.
Creaky Knees-
Just the kind of post I would expect from your type. First you call me a racist, then you whine because I said all people should be treated the same (Indians included). Exactly the keen logic laughed at on this blog hundreds of times a day.
I would like everyone with a comment to please report us not only to CPS for neglect of my children, but also to the local Animal Creulty Hotline for the “abuse” of the foal, whom we deal with on a regular basis that has been helping us find homes for our rescues. We are not, nor have we ever been primarily a rescue. We are not registered as a non profit, nor have we ever made any profit on our rescues. We lose thousands of dollars on our horses. We breed our horses for ourselves, and really don’t care what anyone else thinks of them. We started with a couple of foals that we couldn’t stand watching go to slaughter, and simply do what we can. The other stock on our website has been acquired from other “backyard” breeders we are trying to sell, several stallions are listed for services as an agreement to the former owners. 2007 has been the worst year for horses I have ever seen. I have watched good top notch Quarter Horse yearlings sell for $600. I realize the public is outraged on anyone flooding the market with “unworthy” horses. We are trying to sell part of what we have at cost, and put the training and time they need to go to appropriate homes. Almost all of our horses have prices on them because I got tired of people always asking, “well, if you did sell them how much would you ask?” I am appalled that your group has taken a child and posted it on a blog as a means of trying to whip someone for your own problems. We all make mistakes, I happened to take a picture of my daughter who had climbed on a foal we raised in the back yard (she tried to ride the dog too), and put it on our webpage not thinking, because it was the only photo I had of Kiwi. Someone finding this, posted it on a blog, which has not only brought negative publicity (not too big of a thing because we may have located a home for a rescue out of this mess) but has drawn several sexual predators to my website that would normally have not found that. So I ask, who is being abusive here? I don’t make money on my horses, I work 6 days a week to pay for their feed and care. The “trailer” people want to make a big fuss about is where I live right now, in an attempt to help out my Father who lost his wife and my mother; we are slowly rebuilding his home so that he may retire in 2 years. Rather than taking out your frustrations on someone, why not ask for the whole story. Emails of “you fucking tards”, “ass holes”, etc has never gotten anyone anywhere. I initially was not going to respond, but here I am. All of the comments in the world are not going to change my mind about trying to help, or raising my horses. We have only been in “business” a year, but have been caring, training, and showing for more than 20 years. People are more than titled to their opinions. However, victimizing children should not be on their agenda. So instead of suffering from your own cranial rectumitis, have some human decency to at least enquire before pointing fingers and hate, but maybe it is not in any of you to do that. I might suggest counseling for your own stupidity, lack of compassion, lack of decency, and insecurities. Instead of sending $25 every year to save the kittens, why not volunteer your time to a local rescue.
LOL, OK now I’ve heard it all. Feather is NOT the same POA as Alias Ghost KING, who is so NOT up for stud yet, he is a baby guys, and I REFUSE to promote him and get better pictures until he is shown. Nor is my “rescue” being “abused by the us” up for stud. He was GIVEN to a home. Does anyone read? I can sure see that you can type. You do not have to agree with my breeding program, cause quite frankly I bred them for myself. I’ll try to update my paint stud too. He’s out on a little weight and obviously had his feet trimmed since we bought him. Thanks for the recommendation. However, unless I hear any objections, you guys do realize I am gelding all the studs on my place this November. Sorry but my appy stud is my own personal thing. I like him, and I want the few colts he is going to throw. May be a mute point though, cause if we don’t like the foal he throws next spring, he’s getting fixed anyways. And there is no need to “break” Mighty, because she was so easy to teach, she rides with very little effort, it was more of a comment on how easy going she is. She is my husband’s pride and joy. I welcome any other comments on improvement, but I better get to bed, we have a show in the morning.
Oh, one more thing, I have long since removed my little girl on that particular picture off of my website. Is there any way I might peition the author of the ad to remove my baby girl off? I sent an e-mail, and of course no response. How about replacing it with my stallion everyone hates? Do you guys not realize how many sickos are on the web and get off on these pics???
Hrscrzy, You are really a piece of work. If YOU had any concern for your daughter to begin with you (2)wouldn’t have let her up on a foal, (2)let some other idiot child hold it and (3) let someone take a picture of it AND (4) put it on the web which YOU said you know if rife with sexual internet predators. Have you ever thought of telling your kid NO don’t get on the animals or are you just about teaching another generation to abuse. Grow up, get out of horses which obviously is not your forte and take a parenting class for God sakes!
Huge problem here, it was an ex-husband responsible for the picture and the care of the kids at the time. Thank you for proving my point once again. There is no such thing as human decency.
FHOTD- I actually AM in pain all the time. I’m that person you think of. I have a neuro-endocrine-immune disorder. I have had it for ten years and in 2003 I finally had to leave my job because I was literally falling down at work, hah. Things were very bad for awhile. I have never, in ten years, not been in pain. I know it is hard for other people to understand, but it’s the life I am living.
I go to school very part time, and in between my classes I rest. On my days off, I rest. I am actually in far better shape than I was four years ago, but it’s because I’ve had all this time to rest that that is the case.
Where are these miraculous jobs I can do from home? I have seriously looked for them for years and the only one I was ever offered was a phone sex job! I have heard I could do medical transcription from home, if I only knew how. I’m under the impression that this is skilled work.
The challenge I face in terms of keeping a regular job is that I never know, from one day to the next, what my body will be capable of. Some days I can get up, but some days I am bedridden. Some days I can type, others I can’t control my hands. It’s a roll of the dice every day. The days I can get out of bed and go out into the world are a blessing, but they have a price, and that price is hours of collapse afterward. I am thankful for how much I have improved in the last four years. I am now trying to earn money in ways that work with my disability and the uncertainty. It is my hope that getting my degree will help me to do this, and I never give up hope that I will be cured or recover. My doctor tells me that with rest I may recover- the average recovery time is 15 years, and I’ve had ten, so maybe I have only five to go!
One reason I included so much information in my original post was that I suspected you would take the tack you have: attack the disabled person. It is standard to attack the person who is weak, the person who is actually disabled. I’m not the one making sweeping generalizations, (or the one abusing animals) but I am the one you attack, because I’m an easy target for you.
By the way, anyone who thinks that people on disability are living high on the hog are woefully misinformed. If I had been approved for disability, I would have received about $500 a month. Do you honestly think that I would prefer to live on $500 a month than on the $1200 a month I made at my last FT job? That’s crazy talk! I would much rather have a job and support myself, than scrape by on $500 a month.
>>>>hrscrzy said…
Huge problem here, it was an ex-husband responsible for the picture and the care of the kids at the time. Thank you for proving my point once again. There is no such thing as human decency.
September 30, 2007 6:23 PM< <<<<
Then why post the picture on the internet like it’s something to be proud of. Oh look at us dumbass hoosiers letting our children ride a baby horse. Yeah, that’s something to brag about. Like someone else said, get out of horses. You’re doing more harm than good.
Hrscrzy said: “We all make mistakes, I happened to take a picture of my daughter who had climbed on a foal we raised in the back yard (she tried to ride the dog too)[.....]”
Hrscrzy THEN said: “Huge problem here, it was an ex-husband responsible for the picture and the care of the kids at the time.”
??????
Hrscrzy also said: “Do you guys not realize how many sickos are on the web and get off on these pics???”
Simple solutions: don’t post the photo. I’m not condoning sickos, pedophiles, child abuse, etc., but the internet is not private. If you post it for the world to see, there us a good chance the world will, well, see it.
All I am saying is… AMEN. Thank God someone is finally coming out and saying it.
5. Got Fence??
Posted by: “Holli-May Horse Rescue, Inc” BobbiMa30@yahoo.com bobbima30
Mon Oct 1, 2007 7:33 pm (PST)
Am in dire need of anyone’s extra horse fencing material they may have
laying around, collecting dust. Even just some posts and some electric
rope would be AWESOME. Preferrably within driving distance, as
shipping and handling on the bigger stuff would just be too
expensive… I live by Ulysses, NE.. Thanks in advance for helping me
to save a few more horses from going to slaughter!!
Bobbi
This was posted on Yahoo’s equine freecycle group. Yikes!!
HRSCRAZY “I happened to take a picture of my daughter who had climbed on a foal we raised in the back yard” Next you blame it on the ex. Make up your mind. I find it also hard to believe a predator find you because of positngs here. What a Drama Queen!!!!
You are the epitamy of a BYB , the Appy stud is something that should NEVER be bred no matter how much you like him. I love my QH colt and his has much better conformation then your stud but in my eyes not enough good breeding to make him a stud so off they came.
Instead of Playing the victim try be responsible as in not letting your child sit on a foal with bad legs, not breeding unpapered badly bred studs and not posting pics of your kids. And stop saying you rescued a horse if you are not a rescue. YOU JUST BOUGHT IT that’s all.
As for saying we used a child as a whipping post let me correct you. We were using the idiot parents as a whipping post for the uteer stupidity we saw in a web site that any one could see!!!!