Blogging: Sometimes it is not such a good idea
Sep 12 2007
Every once in a while, you come across a blog that makes you shake your head in wonder and think “you probably shouldn’t have shared all that on the Internet.” An alert reader sent me one in which a BYB details her backyard breederifficness in all of its glory…and it is a doozy!
Here’s her stallion, who she is very very proud of. Now, what did your eye jump to first? If it wasn’t the nontraditional, ha ha, attire of the “trainer,” I’m guessing it was the horse’s godawful crooked front end. Does he neigh or quack? Yes, he’s a cute horse. He’d make a darling gelding. But of course, he isn’t one. He’s instead popping out so many babies that they have their own blog.
(Again, I will stop making fun of the NFQHA when it stops attracting so many backyard, color obsessed breeders like this one.)
Allow me to share her own story of Mr. I Need To Be Gelded’s 2 year old year:
“As a two year old, [horse name] developed quickly, learned he was an intact stud and got all hormonal on me. Oyyyyy, Veyyyyy! He was a Mess! Although he would listen intently, he would still do things just to irritate me it seemed. Like break out and go visiting the neighborhood. And break down the fence so he could visit the mares here. He was really making things difficult and every morning, he was not where I put him at night. He learned quickly that he could take down the gate that separated him and the mares, or he’d just plow through the fence like it was a string. So the bugger got all the mares pregnant here, even one we had actually hoped he would get pregnant. [horse name]. My husbands mare that had a hard time catching and keeping. Seems she’d catch, then abort by the 5th month. So we were really surprised to learn that she was in foal at her 9th month in April of this year. “
Oh, where do I even BEGIN?
* Yes, the horse was breaking down the fence JUST TO ANNOY YOU. He must be related to that horse in Texas who gets hurt in the fence because he wants drugs! You are a moron. He was breaking down the fence because your fence sucks and he was full of hormones because you are too stupid to realize he’s not breeding quality and geld him.
* So he got everything on the property pregnant? Hell, he probably got some of the neighbors’ mares too. Glad you’re not MY neighbor. (Isn’t it amazing how fertile low quality stallions and high school boys are? It’s like a cruel joke of nature.)
* You were SURPRISED to learn she was in foal at NINE MONTHS? Do you people ever call a vet? Ever? Do you think that might be a good idea when you know a stallion had been running loose? Ever hear of pregnancy checking? Ever heard of ultrasounds? I’ll wait for the sequel blog, “Our Little Memorial Page for Gracie’s Twin Angels.” Of course you are so dumb it will probably be on Marestare for all to see, like that other dipshit this year. (Edited to add: Apparently the mare either was NOT pregnant or lost the foal by the time a vet finally did see her. Wisely, the vet told them not to try breeding her anymore. I guess that’ll hold as long as the fence does!)
* Here’s another brilliant thought. Did you KNOW that when mares get accidentally bred, you can call out the vet and get them a horsey abortion? It’s true, you can! For those of you who think there’s something morally wrong with that, most of you EAT baby animals, so don’t start telling me it’s not OK to terminate a mare’s pregnancy a few days in.
Of course, the blog goes on to cheerfully report that the first foal was out of a grade mare. Who here is surprised? She goes on to say she wishes she had more mares JUST LIKE that one because everybody liked that baby! Well, hey, I’m sure more JUST LIKE that one are at the local auction…probably going to be selling for $50 by Christmas.
Also unsurprisingly, Breeder of the Year also thinks she is Trainer of the Year. Of course she has her young stock doing silly NH type stuff, but with the added element of danger to make it more exciting. And I quote:
“Now in this picture, I had set up some boards to similate a “bridge” of sorts. They are not nailed down, which would have been the best way to go, but it is freakin HOT out there and I was being extra lazy…At first she was tenative to put her foot on there, she’d put one up, then take it down, then the other, and so on. Each time I praised her heavily. I could see she was up to the challange and really wanted to please me, so she actually walked accross these loose boards about 5 times total. Sorry the picture isn’t centered, I was tripping on one of the dang boards. LOL “
Oh yeah. LOL. That’s just freaking hilarious.
Sadly, she is not alone. This is her friend’s cremello stallion, which OF COURSE was left turned out with every single thing they owned (What, a young stallion will breed when you turn him out with mares? No shit! Who knew?) and now has impregnated the fugly Morgan-Percheron cross at the right, which they want to sell anyway because she is aggressive and beats the shit out of other horses (as detailed on the blog).
OK, here’s a good game. Can we predict what the baby is going to look like? Well, he is cremello – so that means we are going to get a buckskin, right? He’s got a straight shoulder coming from both parents. The mare has a better neck and neck attachment, but both have a low set neck so that’ll be on track for sure. Baby might get daddy’s “nest,” I sure wouldn’t be surprised. I’ll predict the baby follows the parents with a short croup, goose rump and high tail set. The head is a crap shoot – he could get mom’s hammerhead or dad’s foundation QH head with the cute ears. Then there’s the disposition question. If it’s a filly, bet you anything it has the same alpha hell-beast attitude as Momma. I’ve seen that many times!
Guess we will have to keep reading the blog to find out the answer…of course they’ll probably both make their blogs friends-only after discovering that, OMG! – Anybody on ther Internets can read what we write! Not just our friends! OMG! OMG!
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***Waves Hi to GrayWolf!!!***
Howdy Neighbor!
***eyeballs crome cowgirl warily***
Are you a stalker? *LOL*
Thanks, I appreciate the complement. I had been looking for a good stud prospect for a looooong time, Zippy was another good horse, but not the ‘type’ of horse I was really wanting, but I learned a bunch from the old guy, and he did throw some nice foals.
FTFOTB- – -
First, I recomend you check out the Canon S3.. it isn’t a true SLR digital, it is a ‘midrange’ but it can do 90% of what a digital SLR does, including the lense going from macro, to wide angle to 350mm or so zoom. I love mine, it took most of the pictures on my website.. including the 3rd picture down of rockey runny strait at you. about $350.
Second, I’m going to try something here:
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“forthefutureofthebreed said…
forthefutureofthebreed, that is fine. I don’t have anything against your stallion if he is quality, and has the ingredients to warrant breeding on. A breeding stallion needs to be at the TOP of his breed in terms of quality and bloodlines, not just a horse that can create more of what is already out there in HUGE numbers. If you just enjoy showing, that can be done with a nice gelding.
I want you to pretend that I just wrote the above paragraph to YOU instead of you to me. At first blush, it looks like the paragraph suggests that maybe I don’t think you stud IS ‘Top’ quality.. and that You should GELD him. I’m not sure that is what you intended (but hey, maybe it is) but it IS how it comes accross… see what I mean? (anyone else see what I am seeing here?? can we do a pole??)
It is interesting about the “cant afford to spend money to go to show APHA and I dont’ need to do open/lesser shows to prove what my horse is to me.” Ok, gotch ya, it is just a 180* philosephy from mine. I don’t take Rockey to shows JUST because I enjoy showing (and showing with him) I do it as a REALITY CHECK to keep myself from being barn blind (god knows I’ve been there, done that!!!)
I figure if I can’t do well at even the open shows.. then I have no business breeding the horse and he SHOULD be a gelding… I check my ego at the gate, and see what the judges think. Next year I’ll put another toe in the water.. I’ll be showing Lacey, one of Rockeys foals from his first crop.. and we will see how well she will do.. and again test if he can sire something that will be liked by the judges or not I feel I have to check on my perception of reality on how good she is or isn’t.
So I hope you understand now why I don’t feel showing him at open and foundation shows is a waste of time, even if it isn’t ‘breed level’. I see why you think it is, you don’t feel your stud has anything to prove, you are satisfied with him the way he is.
grullotobi said, “FTFOTB- – -
First, I recomend you check out the Canon S3.. it isn’t a true SLR digital, it is a ‘midrange’ but it can do 90% of what a digital SLR does, including the lense going from macro, to wide angle to 350mm or so zoom. I love mine, it took most of the pictures on my website.. including the 3rd picture down of rockey runny strait at you. about $350.
Thank you for the suggestion. I will check it out.
Second, I’m going to try something here:
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“forthefutureofthebreed said…
forthefutureofthebreed, that is fine. I don’t have anything against your stallion if he is quality, and has the ingredients to warrant breeding on. A breeding stallion needs to be at the TOP of his breed in terms of quality and bloodlines, not just a horse that can create more of what is already out there in HUGE numbers. If you just enjoy showing, that can be done with a nice gelding.
I want you to pretend that I just wrote the above paragraph to YOU instead of you to me. At first blush, it looks like the paragraph suggests that maybe I don’t think you stud IS ‘Top’ quality.. and that You should GELD him. I’m not sure that is what you intended (but hey, maybe it is) but it IS how it comes accross… see what I mean? (anyone else see what I am seeing here?? can we do a pole??)
Yes, I am a bit defensive on that count, since the consensus seems to be that since my horse isn’t shown, he doesn’t deserve to remain a breeding stallion. And, no, I didn’t insinuate you should geld your stallion, either. Only if he isn’t a top representative of his breed, from exceptional bloodlines, and has the ability to contribute to the breed in a positive way.
As has been mentioned here many times, most stallions have value. Many times, that value is in the stallion owner’s eyes only, and not shared by the general breeding public. There is no way to predict how a stallion will impact the breed in the future. But a responsible breeder should attempt to breed for nothing less than breed improvement.
It would be interesting to know, though, where each of our stallions stand on the scale of quality as worthy representatives of their breeds.
It is interesting about the “cant afford to spend money to go to show APHA and I dont’ need to do open/lesser shows to prove what my horse is to me.” Ok, gotch ya, it is just a 180* philosephy from mine. I don’t take Rockey to shows JUST because I enjoy showing (and showing with him) I do it as a REALITY CHECK to keep myself from being barn blind (god knows I’ve been there, done that!!!)
I figure if I can’t do well at even the open shows.. then I have no business breeding the horse and he SHOULD be a gelding… I check my ego at the gate, and see what the judges think. Next year I’ll put another toe in the water.. I’ll be showing Lacey, one of Rockeys foals from his first crop.. and we will see how well she will do.. and again test if he can sire something that will be liked by the judges or not I feel I have to check on my perception of reality on how good she is or isn’t.
And that is fine. But, if you recall, I did a LOT of showing in my younger years, and I also did my share of judging horse shows. With that in mind, do you think that I might possibly have an educated opinion of what a quality horse IS? I certainly don’t need an open show judge’s opinion on my horse’s worth. (I do agree that getting them out and about and used to the hustle and bustle of a show atmosphere is a good thing).
So I hope you understand now why I don’t feel showing him at open and foundation shows is a waste of time, even if it isn’t ‘breed level’. I see why you think it is, you don’t feel your stud has anything to prove, you are satisfied with him the way he is.
I don’t feel getting them out and about is a waste of time or money. And you are correct, I don’t have anything to prove with my stallion other than his value to me in my breeding program, and his possible contribution to the Paint breed, through his descendants in the future.
FHOTD said
“spending that kind of money (which I don’t have) to prove to someone else that my horse is worthy of remaining a stallion. He only needs to please ME.”
This is irresponsible breeding. The foals YOU are producing are more likely to end up on the end of a bolt gun then foals of equal quality (there are tons) whose sire actually did something.
jem said…
FHOTD said
“spending that kind of money (which I don’t have) to prove to someone else that my horse is worthy of remaining a stallion. He only needs to please ME.”
This is irresponsible breeding. The foals YOU are producing are more likely to end up on the end of a bolt gun then foals of equal quality (there are tons) whose sire actually did something.
Well from what FTFOTB has posted on here, I would have to say that she is not breeding her stallion irresponsibly. She had what 10 – 12 outside mares…. From what I understand she does not advertise her stallion in a big way nor does she breed him to anything with a hole. I think I heard she also charges a stud fee that is higher than most BYB could afford.
jem said, “This is irresponsible breeding. The foals YOU are producing are more likely to end up on the end of a bolt gun then foals of equal quality (there are tons) whose sire actually did something.”
You obviously don’t know the difference between a top quality horse and a poor quality one. I will say it again – A STALLION WITH A SHOW RECORD IS NO GUARANTEE OF A QUALITY HORSE CAPABLE OF SIRING QUALITY FOALS.
And you tell me, after looking at the photos of my stallions foals if they look like pieces of shit that will end up at the slaughterhouse. There are no guarantees on ANY horse, but as long as I make sure they are in the hands of responsible horse owners and breeders, they at least have a chance at a quality life. I can’t say the same thing for MANY stallions I know of, who had a big time show record, sired nothing but shit, and disappeared into thin air.
Everytime sinjin posts all I see is “whine, whine, excuse, whine, excuse, excuse, whine.”
I’m sorry, what were we arguing about again? Oh yea, fugly horses continually being bred and *gasp* Oh look! sinjin is contributing to the fugly horses in the world and when people call her/him/whateverthefuck sinjin out, he/she has the nads to start insulting others? Hahaha, I think the shortbus is missing a passenger today. Stupid people entertain me.
I’ll say it again (and again and again and again)… pay attention to the capitalized words…
The foals you are producing are MORE likely to end up on the end of a bolt gun then foals of EQUAL quality (there are tons) whose sire actually did something.
There just is no arguing with this. And the fact that you are trying shows you feel guilty.
What you are doing is not the BEST that could possibly be done, and that’s normal, but own it.
jem,
I have seen the photos of those foals. Those foals don’t look like the type to end up at the wrong end of a knife (That’s the way they do it in Mexico). They are far and above in quality than the majority of Tobianos out there today. Hell, they are probably the best Tobianos out there today. So no there are not TONS of them out there of that quality, even if their sire has no show record.
forthefutureofthebreed said…
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“A good camera is one of the things on my list of things to get.
FTFOTB… If you’d like a used digital camera, I have one you can have. It’s not the best or worst out there. I got a new one recently.
If you are interested, contact me privately….
cameron@wagmann.com
OrangeElmo said…
forthefutureofthebreed said…
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“A good camera is one of the things on my list of things to get.
FTFOTB… If you’d like a used digital camera, I have one you can have. It’s not the best or worst out there. I got a new one recently.
If you are interested, contact me privately….
What a generous gesture, thank you! You have mail!
You guys are just being assholes now, just leave these people alone… I don’t know them but it seems as if you are making a huge deal out of something so small… Just leave it be…
something SO small??..pshh..obviously you don’t know much..all this is connected very much with horse slaughter..oh yeah..like THAT isn’t a big issue..
I checked around, and was not suprised when I saw how the folks who have decided to breed these exceedingly POOR examples of stock horse bloodlines and conformation have banded together to console each other.
I’m glad you found a small handful of people to pat you on the back and say you’re doing a good job.
But for the record, the rest of us still know you’re an idiot.
So let me get this straight – we should let every OOPS baby come into the world?
It’s fine to do that? Even though it leads to the over-population of horses? Which leads to horses being slaughtered?
Do you even know how abortion works in horses?
Don’t you think it would be a little more humane to have the unborn foal aborted than have it starved for days on end, watch other horses be shot with a bolt gun, hacked at with a knife, minced up, squashed into a crowded truck and know that that’s what is happening to them? Wake up, sunshine. There aren’t enough homes for the horses that people breed ON PUROPSE! For every horse that is born, another is pushed into a kill pen and trucked to Canada on a double decker crammed to the brim full of horses that were accidents and SHOULD have been aborted.
Open your eyes. Are you gonna take in all those unwanted accidental babies so they aren’t slaughtered? It’s much nicer to have the foal aborted than have it meet that horrible fate. Clearly you don’t understand how or why abortion or slaughter works. If everyone let their oops foals come into the world, there would be even MORE unwanted horses. Even more inhumane slaughter. People like you are the problem! Do you think the foal would want to be born into this world? I know I wouldn’t, especially if I was some BYB’s mistake that they didn’t take care of – what kind of life do you think they will get to enjoy? Mmmm, would you like to sit in a paddock and starve for a few months, gradually fading away to a shadow because your owners won’t buy you feed as you became unsound at a young age due to the conformational faults that were passed on from your FUGLY parents? Try and imagine the horrors that these horses suffer and then imagine what happens to them when they are slaughtered. Not every horse gets rescued. Not every horse lives out their days in a lush pasture.
WHOA.
Where did I say unborn foals shouldn’t be aborted? Holy shit, lady, I plug Lutalyse so much on this blog that they ought to PAY me!
Oh crap! That was meant to be a reply to someone else – it wasn’t directed at you. I think your argument was that horses SHOULD be aborted if they are not intentional. Same argument I was making – but it was intended for someone further up, saying abortion is eviiiil.