Retraction: Actually, just another clueless BYB
Sep 05 2007
I am happy to, as requested, retract the information that this is the same person who is the president of the AHHA. This apparently is just another BYB with the same name who has the disturbing idea that horses hurt themselves for attention and is excited about the prospect of breeding to a HYPP N/H horse and lets her kid ride with no tack and no helmet. So, of course, all of my opinions about her still stand, as do all of my opinions about the American Halter Horse Association. If the AHHA’s attorney would like to sue me, that is just fine as it will be a GREAT case to get attention for the very important issue of the need to BAN all breeding of HYPP H/H and N/H horses! So please feel free to do so. I am merely stating my opinions and have every right in the world to do so.
Now, on to those lovely quotes from the BYB’s web site:
“Tais has been doing a lot of babysitting lately since he hurt himself. Tais is notorious for getting his feet in the fence because he knows he will get pain med’s and a lot of attention. Have you ever met a horse junkie?”
“In Jan. 2004 Tais got his hoof in the fence and cut it to the bone (scraping it!). I was very cautious at how much pain medicine he was to receive because he did this for attention. “
“Sid has been SOLD & has left the U.S for Caracas, Venezuela!!! See ablo espanol?”
“On June 13th we bought a new filly and I was kicked in the liver by her when we were bringing her home. I know – I shouldn’t have walked up behind her or touched her. I was trying to help guide her out of the trailer so she wouldn’t get more stressed out but, she had other plans in mind!”
“We plan to add Sir Cool Skip to the list of stallions that she will be bred to after she has had her first foal.”
(You guys have all seen Sir Cool Skip, right? He’s HYPP N/H.)
“As you can see in the photos of Scottie he has a bandage on his right leg. He had a mishap with the fence and got a few stitches. I guess it doesn’t pay to be hot dogging when momma doesn’t want you to.”
FHOTD in: What the heck do you have for fence??? They’re not doing this on the panels in your pictures.
She is a Mother of the Year candidate as well!
Nope, you’re not seeing things. There’s not even a piece of baling twine on that mare, and of course no helmet on the shorts-wearing child.
Feel free to discuss. You ALL know by now what I am thinking!
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Chrome- if you go to the seller details the grammar and spelling isn’t much better.
“Lost Creek Quarter Horse is producing World Class horses with the disposition and conformation winners in and out of the show ring .”
You would think they could spell better for the quality of horse you are looking for at their place.
How about this, from the same place:
“In his young stud carreer he already produced World Qualifiers adn ROMs . Check uot these babues . Mares with show records of Top Ten Congress and monie earners “
I know my fingers get ahead of my brain sometimes, but I stop and go back and try to catch it before posting such things…
Chrome- If you look at the filly on the website she is listed for sale at $3500. Good thing you found her at the bargain price of $800 on Dreamhorse… Wonder which price they will try to make everyone ‘stick to’.
ErinGoBarnCurlies said…
And sense when is it the goal to have the hind legs and rump look like a turkey leg? fughfughFUGH!
LMOA!! thank you! Turkey Legs- I have been struggling to come up with a good analogy to describe the hind end of these horses to a somewhat not so horse literate friend- that hits the nail right on the head.
Speaking of riding yearlings, that ding dong who put pics up of riding her underweight 16 mo. old TB colt around is trying to ditch her stallion on Craigslist for $1100 today
*sigh*
If he allegedly rides, here is an idea: GELD HIM. Damn horse has never produced anything worthwhile, and he’s 14 years old!
Yeah, he could certainly use longer pasterns, but for a halter horse, I like him. That tobi was ug-ly, future. I burst out laughing when I pulled his page up.
Future, I LOVE that stallion. I have no doubt that he will be an amazing producer. They obviously picked the right mare. Had no idea she was a paint ’till I looked it up on all breed database.
That is one HECK of a tobi!
Oh yes. QH names can sometimes be a big joke to the other breed enthusiasts. Paints are no different, either. One of my mares has a horrible registered name, given to her by her breeder (not me). Now, TB racehorse names? Some of them are just fantastic.
I think every breed has that. I know of a walking horse that was named Henrietta Thunderpants. OK dokey….pretty damn bad. Or how ’bout Miss Badonkadonk??? I think that one was a SSH, but still…Same thing with purebred dogs. Although some of them are terribly clever too. Like the basenji (“barkless” african hounds) named “Raider of the Lost Bark”…..
Well I have to say that the side view of him on the Craigslist ad is attactive. I didn’t pick him apart, but he’d make a pretty gelding
Local craigslist ad today, this horse has been on there for a while. From Canada is about all I know:
http://anchorage.craigslist.org/grd/414730200.html
That’s some expensive fugly!!
mulerider said…
Questions, I have questions.
First, are those god-awful fence post legs genetically associated with HYPP (like some people think EPSM was inadvertently selected for because it “came along” with genes responsible for heavy muscling in drafts) or have AQHA halter horse breeders managed to simultaneously select for two separate defects?
I believe very strongly that the post-legged behind comes DIRECTLY from the way they are tipped forward onto their toes. It creates a lot of ‘hang’ to the hip, which anymore seems to be all the rage. And the same goes in the front, to create a lot of ‘pop’ to the forearms. It’s not necessarily the TRUE BUILD of the horse, but it is what is done to it as a shortcut to make those muscles stand out.
They also whittle their feet down in order to make their muscling look larger.
One of my favorite AQHA halter horses is The Package. He’s N/N, has more leg and feet on him than a lot of halter horses, and really ‘brings the pretty’. But they have done that with his feet, it’s obvious, and he looks deformed behind because of it.
Another stallion I like, though not as much, is Mr. Yella Fella. While he doesn’t bring NEARLY the ‘pretty’ that Package does, he DOES have better legs and feet.
For some real entertainment, go to the web page for Kids Classic Style and watch the video of him in the paddock. The poor thing looks like he’s lame on the rear and he moves like a groundhog. Just too wide.
And his fellow stallion – Statuatory – they bill him as “your N/H mare solution”. Hello! There’s a 25% chance for N/H – that ain’t no solution!
Sorry, genetics meltdown. It’s a 50% chance of N/H.
Okay, not related to these horses here (I can’t even comment on them because I’m so disgusted; could the stud’s front pasterns be any MORE upright? I won’t even go on about the rest of him):
for those who have had experience with horses who are over at the knees: how serious and limiting do you find this to be? Obviously you wouldn’t want to breed such an animal, but how about using him for lower-level Dressage and trail riding? His legs look good from the front, but are over at the knee. He doesn’t seem to be overly clumsy and is sound (and has been sound) at age 12. Thoughts?
I have tried to find the video for Kids Classic Style, ever since the last time someone mentioned him a few days ago.
Anyone know why I can’t find it from the website?
ChromeCowgirl said…
O/T (sort of), Okay, this doesnt apply to this post, but it CERTAINLY applies to this blog in general.
I was browsing DreamHorse ads, and came across this yearling filly that is already being ridden and has had 60 days with a “professional trainer” under saddle nonetheless!!! (Picture confirms)
WTF are these people thinging!? I sent them a “slap in the face of reality” e-mail, and thought some of you might like to do the same.
The ad ID # is 1087608 I told them to please PLEASE get the hell off that filly and let her grow, and if they don’t have knowledge enough to know better, than don’t have babies (horses).
I also asked for the name of the trainer, as I would like to know what “professional idiot” is starting yearling horses.
I looked the filly up on AQHA.com, hoping the age was a typo on the owner’s part… Its not.
OMG WHATS WRONG WITH PEOPLE!?
September 5, 2007 2:07 PM
Then you MUST SEE THIS…
http://www.freewebs.com/thunderbayranch/
In the videos, it has one of them getting on that colt as a yearling.
But what’s more is that that filly is a rescue, and they can’t wait to breed her to that perlino monstrosity.
WHY BREED HORSES ALREADY IN A RESCUE SITUATION?!
They obviously didn’t SELL, why make MORE that won’t sell?!
That filly’s legs are TERRIBLE, her pedigree is nothing special, neither is the stallion’s.
People are imbeciles.
4 horses –
go to http://www.kidsclassicstyle.com but click on “Stallions” then kids classic style from the drop down. Once you get to his page that way, scroll down and the video is underneath his still pix.
mulerider said…
Questions, I have questions.
First, are those god-awful fence post legs genetically associated with HYPP (like some people think EPSM was inadvertently selected for because it “came along” with genes responsible for heavy muscling in drafts) or have AQHA halter horse breeders managed to simultaneously select for two separate defects?
I believe that the post hocks, upright pasterns, etc. have been selected for (on purpose), because those traits are what wins in a halter class. These breeders brag about their horses have those “good posty hocks”, and a “board back”, “hanging hip”, etc. While those traits are usually found on HYPP positive horses, it’s not HYPP that caused them. And, as mentioned before, the trimming and shoeing contributes to the extreme look. The breeders keep breeding them, and trainer/judges perpetuate the defects.
If anyone here gets the Paint Horse Journal, check out the front legs on the mare on page 127 of the latest issue.
Ann said…
Okay, not related to these horses here (I can’t even comment on them because I’m so disgusted; could the stud’s front pasterns be any MORE upright? I won’t even go on about the rest of him):
for those who have had experience with horses who are over at the knees: how serious and limiting do you find this to be? Obviously you wouldn’t want to breed such an animal, but how about using him for lower-level Dressage and trail riding? His legs look good from the front, but are over at the knee. He doesn’t seem to be overly clumsy and is sound (and has been sound) at age 12. Thoughts?
Ann, over at the knee is not a huge deal. There is no deviated angular joint pressure. The great St. Simon ran undefeated on legs that were over at the knees. It’s more unsightly than anything else. Now, back at the knee…that’s a no-no.
That poor yearling! Good lord! That itsself could be grounds for animal cruelty in some places. Someone should take that poor baby away.
kid should have a helmet on…but that’s a parent’s perogative. Wearing long pants is really for one purpose only- to protect your legs from chafing and flesh eating leathers. bareback-threre is no reason not to wear shorts.
Oh dear! I need to get out more. What an insulated cocoon I’ve been living in. I’ve seen lots of stock breed halter horses at local shows, but obviously not the big money horses from big name farms. I’ve heard the scuttlebutt about huge muscles and tiny feet but wrote it off to typical in-house gossip. Looking at the sites mentioned in this blog has opened my myopic eyes! Some of these stallions look like freaks to me, and the movement of the big buckskin on his video (Skip something?) made my head ache.
In my breed we try for free rolling movement, the lower goers making nice hunters, the parky-motioned ones the pleasure and park horses. We want drive off the hocks and elevation of the front end. I cannot get my head around the desirability of these TANKS.
I will happily stay with my lovely and versatile Morgans, the beefiest of whom look like runway models compared to these monsters.
I am naive no longer, but sorry to learn the apparent truth about these top-end stock horses. Forever and ever amen!
OMG….that stallion “attempting” to lope around his pasture looks like my running barefoot across gravel…OUCH OUCH, EFFING OUCH even!
Over at the knees is often developmental, rather than genetic. Horses with a high percentage of tb blood, in particular, tend to grow bone faster than the tendons can keep up so you get the foal going over at the knees (and also upright in the pasterns). You just keep trimming the heels and you restrict protein intake in the hopes of reducing the growth rate, til the knees come straight and the pasterns go back to normal.
I would tend to mistrust an animal that was over at the knees because of the pasterns more than anything – more of a tendency towards development high articular or peri-articular ringbone which, while not a death knell, is very inconvinent during the year/s while the joint fuses, and then of course you have a sound horse but it has fused joints between pastern and cannon bone…..
http://simplymarvelous.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/little-miss-cool/
I don’t know who should get the award. The mother or the show commitee (sp). THought I would share!
Do you suppose they actually DO live breed those stallions? It seems like some of the poor guys wouldn’t even have the agility to mount a mare.
And what about HYPP and human consumption – isn’t it entirely possible that perhaps that meat wouldn’t be healthy to eat? (I don’t like horse slaughter, but the comments about BBQ-ing the Sir Cool Skip horse made me wonder)
BTW I don’t get any option for a video on that bertonqh website. Maybe my IE window is blocking it. Maybe he’s on YouTube.
Holy cow, check out he gallery, http://www.bertonqh.com/index_bqh.htm , Upright pasterns for everyone!! Good grief what a bunch of FREAKS. Most of these horses are grotesque.
We had a halter mare when I was little. This was back in the 80′s before the freakishly huge horses. She was gorgeous, Skipper W bred, not overly muscled, and she was EVIL. A true killer. We purchased her as a weanling, she was never mishandled or abused, and she would sooner try to kill you than let you touch her. We were NEVER able to break her to saddle completely, you couldn’t relax on her for an isntant or she would go beserk. She also had horrible feet. It was a massive battle every time the farrier came, she would attempt to kill him. When I was about 8, she ran me down in the pasture (I was playing and didn’t know she was out) and nearly trampled me, thankfully, as she was rearing up over me, mom came out of the house and yelled at her and she took off. But she won ribbons!! Just goes to show, pretty is as pretty does. Unfortunately she was bred twice (I had no say in it, I was a kid) and of the two foals, the filly was nearly as bad as she, and the gelding was a doll (we sold her soon after he was weaned). His only downfall was the itty bitty feet. The filly was bred when she was old enough and produced a colt, finally a paint (which was the goal with the first two, but at the time Dad didn’t know that the odds of breeding a QH mare to an OVERO stallion who was the grandson of crop-outs wasn’t likely to produce color). She was then sold, and the colt was kept as my Dad’s riding horse. He was OK to deal with for the most part, but could be a shithead, and vindictive. We are FINALLY free of the line though. Dad finally decided that if he wanted a reining horse he was going to have to go out an buy one. NO MORE HALTER HORSES FOR US!
Me, I will stick to my two Walking horse mares, poor fugly little girls they are!!
And on the eighth day God said,”Horses shall not TROT,” and only the GOOD ones listened!!
Re. that filly that they are talking about breeding to the ugly perlino. Here is from their “what we breed for” page:
We breed for conformation, agility, intelligence, willingness, mind, beauty, and color. Our stallion is built like a tank but good on his feet. While our mare is petite yet floats on her feet. We breed not only for beauty and color. But for a horse that is going to be your best friend. If you want to go somewhere with it we can help you find that perfect horse. If you do not see what you are looking for contact us and we will try and set you in the right direction for what you want. We are here to help.
The bloodlines that we breed for consist of Two Eyed Jack, Skip A Supreme, King, Leo, Hancock, Bootlegger, Poco Bueno, Three Bars, Sugar Bars, Skipper W, Peter McCue, Sheik, Mr. San Peppy, Gay Bar King, Doc Bar, Freckles Playboy, Doc Lynx, San Leo Lynx. We are looking to be getting into R F Rambo, Hank A Chief, Go Man Go, and some of the Paint and Pinto lines.
First of all – I don’t believe that there is room on the papers between two horses for all those ancesters – maybe GENERATIONS back.
Second – the “mare is petite, yet floats on her feet” – OF COURSE SHE IS PETITE – she was foaled in 3-2006 – she’s not even 2 years old yet (and still a filly, NOT a mare).
The stallion is definitely FUGLY (I don’t like cream colored horses or blue eyes)
The filly is immature and I haven’t seen a decent picture of her to really tell anything.
EXCEPT – GET THAT YEARLING FILLY OUT OF THE PASTURE WITH THE STALLION, STUPID PEOPLE!
Oh my, you mean they actually take normal looking pasterns and CREATE club footed pasternless wonders from them? Like this one: http://www.bertonqh.com/sir_super_impressive.jpg
But wait where do they find normal foals to start with??? =)
Well whatever it is WHAT the heck made anyone ever think that was pretty OR desirable?
Um, I can’t get the video of Kids Classic Style to show up on his site (I typed BertonQH, but didn’t mean it). Anyway, I guess something is weird on my IE6.
It’s Sir Super Impressive on either the sales page or the gallery or wins page if you don’t get the whole URL. (and what is up with that anyway? Sometimes I get the whole page and sometimes everything is shoved to the left and the URLs are all chopped off?!
I have seen the Morgans go too extreme too. Remember Rythm Nation. When the National Championship went to a half saddlebred, that was to much for me. How many people bred to him because he set the standard for the breed. Don’t get me wrong, I loved my versitile Morgan in the 60s and 70s and showed her Western in the morning and English in the afternoon.A fun, safe and SANE horse. Yes there are still some good breeder out there but mankind has not been good to the Morgans either. The Morgan was a great horse to start with .
I am private counsel for the American Halter Horse Association and I was contacted today by the association president, who was contacted by a blogger from this site. The Christie Lyday that you are referring to in the libelous information, in which you have posted on this site is not the President of the AHHA but a single mother who lives in Greenville, TX. The corporate office viewed the statements on this blog and contacted the young lady to give her information about the blog.
We will be contacting the server host for this account to pull all records involved, because you have not only made defamation of character remarks against the association in which I represent, but you have made it against another innocent by-stander. Miss Lyday was so deeply shaken by your remarks she took down her site today, due to the information which was incorrectly stated about her.
I would suggest a retraction to your statements, as it would be in the best interest of all involved. Also, after speaking with the Director of Operations, it has come to my attention that there are remarks that were made about the association in which it was an HYPP organization. There is nothing on this whole site that they are an HYPP site. If information serves me from reviewing their corporate documents, they are open to all breeds of horses. Not a specific type of horse that you have attacked them over. We are encouraged to see your retraction, if a retraction is not posted, we will pursue further recourse.
Best Regards
Ronnie Lyons
American Halter Horse Association
P.O. Box 227
Merit, TX 75458
HalterHorse.org
surfzup, I once saw in a magazine some people who rode their Longhorn steers, so you probably could break an Angus steer. I can’t see a bull putting up with that, though. I think they rode them in Western saddles, and I have a vague, possibly-wrong recollection that they attached the reins to nose rings.
Maybe this is a glimpse of the future, where massive horses with tiny toothpick legs will be raised for their meat, and cattle will be used as riding animals.
Turns out it’s not just one couple riding their steers–there’s a whole club devoted to it:
http://www.ridingsteers1.netfirms.com/
You can register your riding bovine for only $25.
You know, as for the SirCoolSkip, that kinda muscle can come in handy, but has to be coupled with proper structural conformation and usability. Ever see the FourSixes Ike’s Double Drift?
Now that is just plain a put together stallion.
Muscle, power, bone, balance and brains. Lordy that’s one frickin’ hawged out bulldog of a horse, and he can USE that bulldog body roping, cutting, and reining.
Now, THAT is a bulldog.
http://web.archive.org/web/20050207181104/www.lydaypaints.com/About_Me/About_Me.html
Founder of AH/HA web archive site.
rollingthunder said, “Ever see the FourSixes Ike’s Double Drift?
Now that is just plain a put together stallion.
Muscle, power, bone, balance and brains. Lordy that’s one frickin’ hawged out bulldog of a horse, and he can USE that bulldog body roping, cutting, and reining.
Now, THAT is a bulldog.”
Actually, you couldn’t give me a horse with front legs like that. And I wouldn’t call that horse all that muscular or broad. He looks like a normal QH to me.
IKES DOUBLE DRIFT
Have fun suing us all Ronny, if that is your real name…since you don’t google!
chezza, notice that all the “executives” on that site all have the same mailing addresses? That seemed strange to me.
Steroids is right…
And this website was a link under the ‘Sunnys Red Lace Picture’
http://www.ellisquarterhorses.com/maresnew.htm
None of them look right, definatly should not be breeding those..
I doubt that there’s anyone here that would question the value of a well-trained horse; but just in case, take a look at this guy:
http://www.6666ranch.com/Remuda/2006Consignments/075.pdf
He was sold at this sale (lot number 75, you’ll need to scroll a bit):
http://www.6666ranch.com/Remuda.html
.. for $10,000 Yes, ten THOUSAND dollars, for a GELDING with a neck so scrawny that it’s hard to see. Many people would, I am sure, call him fugly; but he has a job and does it well, and look at that price!
There will always be good homes for horses that can do a job, and do it well.
Humm…. and what are the odds that Two people with the SAME NAME happen to reside/have offices less than 15 miles from one another in a state the size of TEXAS? Yeah… *sniff sniff* something smells funky.
And they are exporting these creatures?!
I can assure you that most of us in the rest of the world can do without the genetically defective crap.
Ok, now… after seeing that video of that monstrosity of a QH trying to run I am going to have night terrors. That in its’ natural state is worse than any padded horse I have ever seen. Just seeing him try to get all of his junk together to stop is a nightmare for me.
In my area, QHs are pretty big but I have never seen anything like these. These are new nightmares for me.
Seriously, do all of those muscle bound freaks move like that? If so, how in the heck do they tie at shows. Is it really the norm for them to show at something akin to a fast walk? My QH days were long ago and a jog was really a jog. Most of what I see now is a fast walk (at saddle clubs shows) but I haven’t seen a real QH show in years.
Ohhh… new question for me here and it is a serious one…
What is a chute fee? I have never heard that term before in the breeds I deal with.
There are extremes in any breed- though, I do not classify FCF Rhythm Nation as an extreme- he is a “mutt” and was the product of one person’s choice to deliberately make Morgans more like a Saddlebreds and whoops… he got caught at it- as he should have. I would still take an “extreme” morgan and even FCF Rhythm Nation himself over these pumped up, tiny footed, crazy looking equines that don’t look like they can get out of their own way- but that’s just my opinion.
Ronnie Lyons??? HMMMMMMM…
Just did a number of look-ups on the TX state Bar site for the last name Lyons – no Ronnie, Ronald/Veronica (couldn’t think of any other ‘Ronnie’ names) Listed.
There is a Ronald W. ‘Lyon’ not ‘Lyons’ in Sherman TX which is about an hour outside of Merit.
You just quoted directly from her website -and good thing she took it down. How many horses need to get severely injured on her fences before she gets a clue?
And, since the AHHA does allow HYPP horses, doesn’t that make them an HYPP organization by proxy??
You would think in this day and age with all the available information on HYPP, an association would have the good sense/ethics to ban it -but oh yeah, I forgot about the AWS…
Here is a video of Kids Classic Style…he sure as shit looks lame as hell!
http://www.lotsofpinesfarm.com/kidsclassicstyle.html
Dear Ronnie Lyons;
We did not defame your site by saying anything that wasnt true. You did this your self by as it states on your website
What is the AHHA’s position on issues like HYPP??
“The AHHA is not limiting registration to exclude any genetic abnormality.”
By doing this your ARE promoting QH breeders with no scruples to keep breeding horses with HYPP H/H
Even the AQHA no longer allows any horses that are H/H but with no rules you do allow it and some people will do it.
By the By it is not an abnormality it is a DEFECT that can be breed out in one generation but by allow them to register with you why would they want to.They can still promote their H/H stallion on your site.
Yes I know it is for all breeds but the AHHA brought up the whole HYPP on your site .
Nice try on the threat to sue but you would have to prove what we said was false, but you laid it all out in color on your web page.
Yes, the Ekstrom/Chantilly Lace/Rhythm Nation mess was a travesty. I am glad for the Bright Line Rule and DNA which should make it next to impossible for such cheats again. I suppose no organization can protect itself completely against nefarious folk, but it’s the best we can do with technology presently.
After over a dozen trips to OKC in October I see mostly typy well-conformed Morgans who look like Morgans. Some extremes at each end (stocky in reining, saddly in park) but most look Morgany to me.
Funny, I knew MR periferally(sp?) during the Ekstrom affair, but before I knew he was involved in his interstate mail fraud from Quincy WA to Missouri. Ya never know who’s a bad guy sometimes. Have a couple Sorento-bred horses in the barn (that nice stallion was clean of Bruce’s tricks). Still see FCF-prefixed horses showing, so he did breed lots of good true Morgans before greed got to him in the form of saddlebred Summer Song.
Not trying to expose dirty laundry that hasn’t already been flown high all over the ‘net, but I believe the AMHA (Amer Morgan Horse Asso) eventually did the right thing and I applaud them for it. Let us all move forward!
Life is a parade of idiots, and I am in the front twirling a baton!
The Christie Lyday that you are referring to in the libelous information, in which you have posted on this site is not the President of the AHHA but a single mother who lives in Greenville, TX.
Is Ronnie telling us that single mothers are not considered suitable as president of the organization he/she represents? Or is she/he saying that a person can only be one or the other? NOW I am offended! Is this p.c. person actually not really PC at all?
After all, you can’t expect single mothers to aspire to any sort of achievement, right? (this said in my most sarcastic tone)
What is next, an attack on my mother’s homemade apple pie?
Hey, I’m willing to consider that there can be two women with the same name, although the odds that they both show halter horses is slim, so I retracted that part of the post. After all, I don’t know for sure. I guess we’ll have to do more research on that!
“Sid” pictured here(link below) is owned by the same named person as the president too!! Must be a small world!
HEE HEEE HEE
http://imageevent.com/clyday/sidworkingcattle
The first time I saw one of these “world champion” halter horses up close I was amazed! The one I saw was an Appaloosa, HYPP N/H. He was fresh from the world show in OK, where he won big. They had to keep a neck cradle on him because he would bite the shit out of anyone or any thing unfortunate enough to be too near. He the meanest thing on 4 legs. The owners actually laughed and joked that his Sire had the same mean streak?!? (Oh, good so it is genetic!) They put him in the round pen for some exercise as we all watched this monster try to run. Well, boy was my face red after I asked if he looked lame to anybody else. They very sharply informed me that “that is the way he is supposed to look” oooopppps! Oh, and of course, he is a Stallion with a huge stud fee. Yeah, I want a muscle bound, mean, evil, and apparently lame “looking” horse that couldn’t move to save his life. But on the plus side he was a 100% color producer, so it would have pretty spots! *snicker*
What does everyone think of Woodstock Sonny McZip?
The HalterHorse.org site took down the names of their executive committee… hmmm, now I wonder why that would be… were they getting too much mail? Everyone even remotely involved in the halter industry received their spam, I guess people weren’t so appreciative. I see a local breeder, with a beautiful Appy at stud is on there, and I wished, after all I’ve learned here, they wouldn’t support such an organization… they have N/N horses.. so why associate yourself?
Waaaaaaa?
“Sir Cool Skip” in all his un-edited photo glory makes me nauseous.
I think I may need a couple T3s aswell to make the pain in my head go away.
To: the_farmers_wife-
Very well said! Kudos!
I have been somewhat zeroed into nothing but the morgan breed for several years, until recently, and this blog has certainly brought me back up to speed about what is going on with many other areas of the equine industry… and honestly, I am alternately horrified and enlightened.
OKC is quite the time
ohhhh…. ohhhhh…. I just happened to still have that page opened in a tab off to the side. Quick copy and paste. Taadaa! Here ya’ go for those that would like to know who runs that yahoo bunch.
The contact info is there also if you are interested in giving them a call.
American Halter Horse Association’s Executive Committee
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Founder/President
Christie Lyday
P.O. Box 227
Merit, TX 75458
Toll Free (877) 725-AHHA (2442)
Fax (972) 586- 7711
Contact President
Please note in the email body that the
message is for the AHHA President. Vice President
Terrie Castillo
P.O. Box 227
Merit, TX 75458
Toll Free (877) 725-AHHA (2442)
Fax (972) 586- 7711
Contact Vice President
Please note in the email body that the
message is for the AHHA Vice President.
Secretary
Dawn Johnson
P.O. Box 227
Merit, TX 75458
Toll Free (877) 725-AHHA (2442)
Fax (972) 586- 7711
Contact Secretary
Please note in the email body that the
message is for the AHHA Secretary.
Treasurer
Stacey Mata
P.O. Box 227
Merit, TX 75458
Toll Free (877) 725-AHHA (2442)
Fax (972) 586- 7711
Contact Treasurer
Please note in the email body that the
message is for the AHHA Treasurer.
Executive Director of Shows, Registration
& Memberships
Angela Saldivar
P.O. Box 227
Merit, TX 75458
Toll Free (877) 725-AHHA (2442)
Fax (972) 586- 7711
Contact Director
Please note in the email body that the
message is for the AHHA Executive Director of Shows,
Registration & Memberships.
Executive Director of Operations &
Inspector
Efren Castillo
P.O. Box 227
Merit, TX 75458
Toll Free (877) 725-AHHA (2442)
Fax (972) 586- 7711
Contact Director
Please note in the email body that the
message is for the AHHA Director of Operations /Inspector.
Journalist
Janet Vines
P.O. Box 227
Merit, TX 75458
Toll Free (877) 725-AHHA (2442)
Fax (972) 586- 7711
Contact Journalist
Please note in the email body that the
message is for the AHHA Executive Director of Shows,
Registration & Memberships.
Corporate Attorney
Ronnie Lyons, P.C.
P.O. Box 227
Merit, TX 75458
Toll Free (877) 725-AHHA (2442)
Fax (972) 586- 7711
Contact Corporate Offices
Please note in the email body that the
message is for the AHHA Director of Operations /Inspector.
>>The HalterHorse.org site took down the names of their executive committee… hmmm, now I wonder why that would be… were they getting too much mail?< <
There’s the mark of a serious organization! C’mon, stand up for what you believe in, which is – in the words of your own announcement e-mail – registering horses who have been barred from being registered by their own breed associations because they have genetic defects.
Remember, I did not make that statement up. YOU folks put that in YOUR e-mail that YOU sent all over the Internet.
On Kids Classic Style’s page (http://www.lotsofpinesfarm.com/kidsclassicstyle.html ), what does: Ask about our HYPP Guarantee!
Guarantee they will have HYPP or won’t ? or what? Does anyone know? He’s N/H. (at least they put it on the site, so many sites I was reading today off the links from AHHA don’t mention the status).
“Miss Lyday was so deeply shaken by your remarks she took down her site today”
i cant tell if these tears im wiping are due to the hysterical laughter or the joy!!
ill calm down in a minute and realise they didnt mean that she LEARNED anything.
Is it just me, or does Mr Ronnie the PC have a less than perfect grasp of the English language? The lawyers I know (yup, some of my best friends are lawyers!) have a very strong grasp on English as a single word can have a dramatic impact on the meaning of the phrase in which it is used.
In particular, Mr Ronnie’s use of ‘in which’ is consistently bizarre, but there are other grammatical errors throughout. I particularly like “we are encouraged to see your retraction, if a retraction is not posted, we will pursue further recourse.” Not only is the sentence structure atrocious, the verb tenses are all wrong.
I wonder what Mr Ronnie’s day job is?
Dear Top o’ the Morgan,
Thank you for your kind remarks. Are you going to join us in OKC on Fri morning, the 12th, in the Coliseum? The more Morganites the merrier!
okay, I finally saw that video.
I feel so sorry for that horse. If he’s genetically doomed to that obese and badly built body, then the breeder should be shot along with those who breed to him.
If not, then for heavens sake, do something to enable that horse to have a better quality of life. That animal cannot move, look at how he is balancing himself! I don’t care if that is muscles, he can be let down to be an animal that isn’t a freak show.
HOW CAN ANY HORSEMAN THINK THAT IS DESIRABLE? They really do need to break off into their own breed, because I would be embarassed to own a QH if that is an example of the best of the breed.
Still photos just do not even begin to communicate how bad this breeding approach is for the horse. I would never have thought they moved that badly. No wonder they support slaughter, those poor animals are really not suited to live past a few years.
That poor animal is only one example of a large group of people intentionally breeding and keeping horses in this way. I feel so sorry for those horses.
I work with disabled horses and you can see the spirit is there even when the body can’t quite do it. My horses have come through hard times and are considered to have been abused. To intentionally breed a horse and keep it in this state? HOW IS THIS NOT ABUSE! Its no wonder their temperment sucks. Imagine if your heart was to run and play, but you had to struggle with that body. They’re only slightly better off than factory farmed beef, but UNFORTUNATELY they do not have the same mind as a cow trapped in those cow like bodies.
It made me cry to see that horse move like that. And, this is comming from a person who works with foundered (often double and penetrated) horses!
This is not funny, this is just sick.
AND for the “American Halter Horse Association” — wow what a freakin’ money grab you are attempting there! The people who are loosing the ability to register their H/H horses are supposed to come over to you and register so they can continue to perpetuate a DEFECT (as defined by the AQHA) for profit. YOU SUCK THE WORST of the whole group of people breeding these poor creatures!
There are wonderful QHs in my area. These are wonderful, agile, brilliant horses. I can’t understand why their owners aren’t embarassed by this “Halter Horse” breeding.
In my mind, I’m not sure which is worse, the Halter Horses or the PMU industry. At least NAERIC got a handle on that situation and they are down to a population of 7000. AQHA is producing how many horses each year? How many of those are these poor creatures who can’t even move?
I’m sorry, but that video really upset me. I have an obese mare (a Perch/Morgan cross) and see what she deals with. Muscles or no, to me that horse is suffering the same issues as any obese horse. No wonder they chop off and club up their feet, normal angle would founder.
I have a farm full of fuglies, even my foundered horses move better than that.
Sorry so long.
arcadia horses posted:
“Is it just me, or does Mr Ronnie the PC have a less than perfect grasp of the English language”
Maybe that the difference between a “Corporate Attorney” and a Legal Council? All the companies I deal with have Legal Councils (a position title) that happen to specialize in an area of law, like maybe corporate attorney.
The whole thing is a big money grab and I bet they’ll get some bucks. They’ve spun this up just as all those H/H foals are going to be without papers… so you can bet there will be people willing to plunk down their membership and registration fees to get a piece of paper for those poor animals that never should have been bred in the first place.
Their application even has spaces to identify the status of the genetic defects! How can they say they are judging by a breed’s standard when they allow the defects that the very breed rejects? Their registry will then have to include parrot mouth and everything else too. So this is not just a HYPP thing, this is a regsitry that will encourage the continued breeding of all genetic defects.
The only people who will benifit from this registry are the BYB! They should just call themselves the Back Yard Breeders Registry!
Buyers need to be warned that this registry is a red flag for potential genetic issues. Imagine getting a HERDA foal! Talk about a horror to deal with!
Who (other than the founders) with animal of any quality would associate it with this registry?
By their own statements, they’re basically setting themselves up as a registry for genetically defective pure-breds and grade horses.
Sir Cool Skip actually scares me. Imagine that thing coming at you in a field…
I find every one of their horses intensely unattractive. I know everyone’s got their own tastes, but you’re got to wonder what’s going on with those horses to make them look like they’re being raised as prime beef cattle.
And I won’t even start on the legs.
And look, Sir Cool Skip’s site has the origional okapi halter horse you posted – Sir Super Impressive! Priced at $75000. Holy COW.
As for Kids Classic Style? Checkout the video on his site! Best display of the ‘full diaper walk’ ever.
its wierd… we all joke about our horses trying to ‘commit suicide’ or that they somehow know exactly how much is in our bank accounts and will injure themselves requiring veterinary treatment to the tune of that precise amount… but i never in my saddest dreams thought there would be people who HONESTLY believe a horse would injure himself on purpose.
if it were even the slightest bit possible, why the hell would any horse want that kind of persons attention anyway? a person who will withhold vet treatment as some sort of ‘punishment’? maybe he really WAS trying to commit suicide and get away from her.
the heinousness of reality… its like it just keeps going down down down the foxhole and theres no bottom…
Skeeski said: “Steroids is right…
And this website was a link under the ‘Sunnys Red Lace Picture’
http://www.ellisquarterhorses.com/maresnew.htm
None of them look right, definatly should not be breeding those..”
Holy SHIT!!!! Did you see the pics of “Miss Bunny Tardee” on that site?? OMG that poor mare. Looks to me like they edited the picture on her shoulder and hip to cover what looks like extensive pressure sores from where she probably spends most of her time on the ground.
Are there any links directly to the video? Any ideas on WHY it won’t play on my computer, like what settings I have wrong? I feel like I am the only one who didn’t get a piece of candy. (granted you are all saying it’s yucky candy, but I WANT SOME, TOO!)
BTW, this is the last stallion I tried to breed my mare to. He’s never been shown in performance due to a trailer accident when he was young, and his back legs look better in person. I wanted ONE more baby out of my mare, before she leaves me (she’s 21) – we tried to breed her last year, and prior to that 3 years ago, but she just didn’t want to take. I guess I won’t try again, as while she is in excellent condition, I don’t want a baby out of her as badly as I want her to stay healthy, fat & happy.
http://www.nationalhorse.com/Stallion_Gallery/2005/TopSail.htm
There are horses who practise self-mutilation, I forget what the “medical” term for horses is. But I don’t believe that a horse would actually try to use a tool (ie. fence) to do so.
My Arabian, now, was accident prone when he was younger (under 3) – I always wanted to take him to the local shows and enter him in the halter classes, just for exposure and experience, but he never was without a mark on him from something. It wasn’t as important to me to make him live in a stall and stay “pretty” as it was that he live out at pasture and be happy.
Skeeski said: “Steroids is right…
And this website was a link under the ‘Sunnys Red Lace Picture’
http://www.ellisquarterhorses.com/maresnew.htm
None of them look right, definatly should not be breeding those..”
Oh, god, check out ‘That Perfect Clu’ in their mares – one of the most deformed looking horses I’ve ever seen (besides those minis).
Should I even bother to apologise for my typing/lack of spell-checking?
I really with blogger had an edit button.
I am so very glad that others see those horses as ‘deformed’. Really makes one wonder exactly whats in their feed!
–None of them look right, definatly should not be breeding those..”
Holy SHIT!!!! Did you see the pics of “Miss Bunny Tardee” on that site?? OMG that poor mare. Looks to me like they edited the picture on her shoulder and hip to cover what looks like extensive pressure sores from where she probably spends most of her time on the ground.–
Did you click on her pics and see that she is twenty and CRIPPLED NOW? Huh…wonder if it was from all the jumping at those high levels or just from carrying her fat ass around on those tiny legs that were over at the knee and as straight as a ruler?
From the looks of those legs she’s probably been crippled most if not all of her life.
I notice that my link to the stallion I bred my mare to didn’t show up completely. In case anyone out there is interested, here it is: Stallion Link
I don’t know if this is the same picture of that mare or not, but I missed the linke earlier.
http://tinyurl.com/ytd43s
That mare is awfully deformed looking. You should see her some of her offspring, here are some pics of one of her fillys and one of her grandsons:
http://tinyurl.com/2xjnq8
http://tinyurl.com/yqdld4
Miss Bunny Tardee is 2nd dam to the stud posted above.
Whatever happened to correct conformation. I realize that all breeds have different standards – but these “halter” horses are just basically structurally unsound. It’s ridiculous. Their foundation (feet & legs) is just shit. Do any of these people REALLY think that they are pretty, or are they just breeding what wins? What is up with the judges who are placing these horses over horses who ACTUALLY HAVE FUNCTIONAL LEGS?
Maybe these breeders want the front feet so far back so that when the horse falls down in the showring, they can blame the teeter-totter effect instead of HYPP.
Almost ashamed to admit I have QH’s since I have seen these freaks proudly displayed as the “BEST” examples of the breed.
You KNOW you have “arrived” when FHotD quotes you!
Their slogan is “We aren’t along for the ride; We’re leading the way!â„¢” A snarky but accurate poster on another board already observed that the subtitle should be …”Cause we’re afraid to get on our horses in case they fall down!” Oh, touche.
Hey! Whadayamean “snarky”?
I resemble that remark!
ZA
breecher”Ronnie Lyons” is not a lawyer!!
Here is a link to the American Bar Association’s lawyer search. There is no Ronnie Lyons listed as practicing in Texas, nor for the entire United States.
That post is by a fake and if not, he still isn’t licensed, which by the way, is a felony if you practice law without a license. lol
Yes, Zabooger, you are famous now!
That was a great one-liner. I totally appreciated that.
Hey, I’m willing to consider that this person may be using a nickname or middle name. Anything is possible. But perhaps if Ronnie is reading this, Ronnie would like to post his/her state and bar # and clear up any confusion?
By the way, I personally own a crippled looking ex-halter mare. If you go back to the day when I outed myself and posted Kit (the one sticking her tongue out at me), she is a classic example. She is permanently over at the knee and will stand there with the leg trembling a bit. She trots close to sound, and we’re going to try some natural balance shoeing on her this fall to see if we can get her sounder. (She’s totally retired, but I like to see them as sound as possible, even if they’re not doing anything)
She doesn’t fall down or anything, but she is a brilliant example of what happens when you feed them to bulk up without a thought about what it will do to their legs. I acquired her early this year, after she’d been all over the country with different owners, popped out at least 5 foals (just the AQHA ones, she may have produce in APHA, I haven’t checked), and was in the hands of a slaughter dealer when my friend purchased her at auction two years ago. The really stupid thing is that all that feeding was for naught…I don’t think she was ever shown (AQHA has no record for her, anyway). I think they fed her up like that and then determined she wasn’t show quality, and set her to popping out babies instead. (Yes, I know, that doesn’t make sense to me either…)
Ok I have to learn not to hit enter until I’m finished with my thoughts- on a quick lunch break and I had to jump on to see if they’ve taken FHOTD away in cuffs yet…lol
I don’t understand the whole premise of feeding these animals like little bobby’s 4H baby beefer, till they are so enormous the legs God…ok genetics gave them can barely hold them up… does that make sense to anyone? What is the purpose?? From what I have surmised these horses are next to never ridden- whether it’s as has been mentioned the owners are afraid the animal will fall over on them when it has an HYPP attack or what. In the land of Morgans, horses at breed shows in hand usually also show in performance classes- whether it’s under saddle, or driving. I don’t know maybe i’m beeing too cynical- but it doesn’t make sense to me.
The-Farmers-Wife- no OKC for me this year… there’s this thing called a job
FHOTD said, “…at least 5 foals (just the AQHA ones, she may have produce in APHA, I haven’t checked).”
There are no APHA foals listed for her.
Sir Cool Skip is the horsie equivalent of a 500 lb fat man waiting to die from health issues.
Dear Top o’ the Morgan,
We’ll miss you in Oklahoma. Job schmob! Save up your kopeks and vacation days for next year, okay?
I posted info on our FHOTD Morganites meeting in OKC on the forum. May I see a show of hands on how many plan to show up Friday morning, 9am, in the seats behind the presentation area in the Coliseum (assuming the State of Oklahoma hasn’t remodeled that location out of existence. In that case, may I suggest the lounge over the in-gate?)
What I don’t get about Halter horses (and dogs in Conformation classes as well) is that; arent these horses (and dogs) supposed to be as close to the standard of the breed as possible? Aren’t they supposed to show how this beautiful breed is supposed to look in order to perform at its best? And yet, the halter horses (majority of anyway) are not good for ANYTHING else. They certainly couldn’t run a quarter mile. They definitely couldnt’ cut a cow or do roll backs (LMFAO… imagine that one), and I definitely can’t see them holing up under a 12 hour days work on a real working ranch.
WHY why why why why!?
money money money
i am so glad that a myspace friend recommended this blog to me… best entertainment EVER!
Here is a link to comments on the ApHC site about the new drug rule.
http://appaloosablogspot.com/2007/08/31/aphc-drugs-and-medications-rule/#comments
ive said it once before, but it bears repeating…
Sir Moo Hypp needs one of these:
Fattyfattyboombah sling…
I feel quite proud to have been a part of this whole endeavor. I feel like something good has been accomplished, and wow! how quickly it happened.
My favorite farrier used to do a barn of halter horses. He also does a barn of young racehorses in training. As bad as the racehorses can be, he’d rather do them any day over a halter horse.
On a slightly different note: my favorite farrier just got a new customer who said their horse was double registered Quarter Horse and Paint. Ummmmm – as far as I was aware that was impossible. Has something weird changed since I was more UTD on the AQHA white rule? I told him that was impossible – but was I wrong? Anyone? Since I’ve had children, I’m kind of out of the loop on things like that. But!!!!! they are getting older and my “mini-me” choose brushing horses over the new go-cart yesterday. HURRAY! I thought I was the ONLY horse addict in the family. Maybe I won’t have to ride alone forever……
(d) White Markings: A horse having white markings with
underlying light skin beyond any one of the following described lines
shall be eligible for registration by AQHA only if it is parentage verified
through DNA typing the offspring, its sire and its dam. Breeders
should be aware that the American Quarter Horse, while long
recognized, identified and promoted as a solid-colored horse, can
and does occasionally produce offspring with overo paint characteristics.
Such markings are uncharacteristic of the breed and are considered
to be undesirable traits. The following notification shall be
placed on registration certificates of horses exceeding these marking
limitations:
“This horse has white markings designated under AQHA rules
as an undesirable trait and uncharacteristic of the breed.â€
(1) A line parallel with the ground drawn around the front
leg at the point halfway between the point of the elbow (the center
of the olecranon tuberosity or proximal epiphysis of the ulna) and
the protrusion on the back of the knee (the accessory carpal bone or
lateral styloid process).
(2) A line parallel with the ground at the center of the
gaskin on the hind legs. (The center of the gaskin shall be defined as
an imaginary point on the front of the gaskin equidistant between
the stifle joint and the center of the hock.) The top point of reference
to be the bony protrusion on the inside (medial) of the stifle
region (technically known as the medial condyle of the tibia) and
the most prominent bony protrusion at the top and inside of the
hock (technically known as the medial malleolus of the tibia).
(3) A line around the horse’s neck immediately behind the
poll and through the midpoint of the throat latch.
(4) Within an area described as two inches on either side
of the ventral midline, beginning at a point midway between the
front legs and extending to, and including, the sheath and udder.
(5) Additionally, there is allowed a single area of white
markings with underlying light skin, such that it can be completely
covered with a disk one inch in diameter, either free standing on the
horse’s body or being a portion of white marking extending past the
above prescribed lines.
(6) Areas of white, pink or mottled skin located on the
horse’s genitalia, including the sheath or udder, in the axillary region
(armpits) or inside the hind legs, including the inner surface of the
hindquarters up to and including the ventral surface of the tail, and
which are not readily visible when the horse is in a standing position
are not considered white markings as described in (d) above.
Basically, Yes a horse can be dual registered BUT it has to be DNA verified and will have it’s papers stamped “undesirable”
Not necessarily. A lot of really nice horses are double registered APHA/AQHA these days, and it’s a selling point on some stallions, too. It’s nice if you get a solid bred paint that you can go ahead and register AQHA, and then it’s worth more than it would have been before.
Also Macho Town Chica, the last APHA Supreme Champion, is double registered. If you ever want to google her, you’ll see a champion halter horse who can also race, chase down cows, and do pleasure.
The all-around horse is not dead, and you’ll see them pretty often down in the amateur ranks.
And I thought our (UK) obsession with fat animals in the show ring was bad!
I swear I’m going to congratulate every abusive show producer I see for NOT breeding something like THAT!
WTF is it? A polled beef cow? They offer bull semen for mares now? Explains why they don’t ride the things (although, cows are supposed to be quite good under saddle!)
Someone stateside petition to illegalise the mutilation of live animals for personal gain, including but not limited to the breeding of equine frankensteins.
Please?
ALERT – The marestare logo is back up on their banner…. I will let them (marestare) know.. tsk tsk tsk
Here is my chronological correspondence with Marestare:
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:06 PM
To: Heather@marestare.com
Subject: Please don’t support CRUELTY – AHHA Sponsorship
Dear Marketing Manager -
It has been brought to my attention, and to the attention of thousands of other responsible horse owners and breeders, that Mare Stare is an official sponsor of the AHHA- American Halter Horse Association. http://www.halterhorse.org – Your logo appears in the banner rotation at the top of the home page. (You may have to refresh to view it.)
I respectfully request that you withdraw your sponsorship and all association with the AHHA. The AHHA ENCOURAGES the breeding of horses that have been tested POSITIVE for HYPP. ( Hyperkalemic Periodic Paralysis). I trust that you are familiar with this disease and the devastating affect it has on horses. The only reason these people encourage and perpetuate this disease is to produce what they consider a well-conformed halter horse. There is nothing well-conformed about these horses. They are grotesquely malformed with over -muscling (a la steroids) and tiny hooves, upright pasterns. Essentially they can be used for nothing but halter. They are truly not conformed to withstand other types of activities such as reining, cutting, jumping, or even simple arena or trail riding.
It is my understanding that by not limiting their registration to exclude any genetic abnormality, they do indeed encourage irresponsible breeding. This would also include horses testing positive for HERDA, an equally, if not more devastating disease.
Aside from the fact that they are destroying the AQHA breed, it is cruelty beyond belief to perpetuate a line that produces horses that could potentially be doomed to a short, torturous existence, suffering from paralytic episodes, heart failure and death from HYPP, or experience the horrific skin afflictions of HERDA.
It is perhaps possible that your link has been posted on their site without your permission. They may be trying to “fool” visitors to their site into thinking that you are a sponsor. If that is the case, they I encourage you to contact this organization and request they delete your logo from their banner rotation.
I would appreciate a response to this e-mail.
Respectfully,
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From: “Mare Stare” Heather@marestare.com
Subject: RE: Please don’t support CRUELTY – AHHA Sponsorship
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 23:03:44 -0400
I was not aware of their position on breeding. I have received several email regarding this issue and I have contacted the AHHA to get their opinion on this. I do not condone breeding genetically defective animals of any kind and if this is fact, my banner will be removed, along with my support.
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Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 7:43 AM
To: Heather@marestare.com
Subject: RE: Please don’t support CRUELTY – AHHA Sponsorship
Good morning – I just wanted to alert you to the fact that halterhorse.org is again displaying your logo. It was removed for a while, but it is now back on. They really are quite nervy.
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From: “Mare Stare” Heather@marestare.com
Subject: RE: Please don’t support CRUELTY – AHHA Sponsorship
Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 07:45:27 -0400
I asked them to leave the banner there until I make a decision. I have a response to them in defense of the accusations that are being spread about them and until I make a decision on this my banner will remain.
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Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 8:02 AM
To: Heather@marestare.com
Subject: RE: Please don’t support CRUELTY – AHHA Sponsorship
Thanks, that is certainly your prerogative. I truly hope you will make the right decision. Essentially, they developed this registry because the AQHA and others, do not allow registration of horses that carry the HYPP gene, for obvious reasons. This registry does promote such irresponsible breeding all for the want of winning halter classes. Sad.
If their response is that they are no longer going to allow HYPP positive horses in their registry, then that’s great. My purpose is not to fight the registry; my purpose is to fight the intentional breeding of HYPP positive horses, for monetary gain with no regard to the horses comfort and health.
In any event, though you don’t need my validation, you are absolutely right to review all available information and make a decision based on your own research and conscience.
Thanks again for your willingness to at least look into the matter.
Enjoy the day.