Pets tend to resemble their owners.
Sep 05 2007
Ah well, not for the first time, a target of this blog has their knickers in a knot. Doesn’t reading this just make you think of one of those snarly overfed HYPP positive halter horses who never gets turned out and spends his whole day scraping his teeth against the bars of his stall with his ears laid flat back?
Their e-mail to me:
We would like to speak with someone in reference to libelous information which was posted on: http://fuglyhorseoftheday.blogspot.com/ . I represent the American Halter Horse Association, and slanderous and misinformation was posted on this site. We emailed a comment but none of the material was removed, nor a retraction made.
Best Regards
Ronnie Lyons
American Halter Horse Association
P.O. Box 227
Merit, TX 75458
HalterHorse.org
My response to them:
If you think you have a case, sue me. I would love to see more publicity brought to the issue of allowing horses with a potentially fatal genetic defect which may cause them to die a horrible death from suffocation or heart failure, to continue to show and breed even after their own breed associations have banned them from being registered. All of the information I posted was published on your official web site or is my personal opinion, which I have every right to possess and share with others. You may wish to review the Constitution. Actually, your site was e-mailed to me by multiple equally horrified horse owners that your association sent unsolicited e-mails to (commonly known as “spam”).
By the way, what is “slanderous and misinformation?’ That must be a legal term I am not familiar with, although it really just looks like poor grammar not consistent with a graduate school education.
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As always, if I really do get sued, I will be happy to link all of the pleadings to this site for everyone’s amusement!
P.S. When you are pretending to be a lawyer on the Internet, it is helpful to learn the difference between “libel” and “slander.” Libel is written (like this blog). Slander is spoken (like if I were yelling at you at an AQHA show). Hope that helps!
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Gaak! I’m so irked at these people.
Yesterday I published the nice little email I sent through their ‘contact’ link, requesting that they inform me how they obtained my email address (for their ‘announcement’ email)
…Strangely, as they’re obviously reading the blog, I had some notion that they would reply. Probably with some lame reason (like the guy who very obviously joined a Peruvian horse breed group with visible membership and harvested all the members names) but at least reply…
But, no. The American Halter Horse Association appears to have neither the righteousness (what was that scripture passage?) nor the chutzpah to respond to me.
Tonight I planned to send it again with a note saying “Second Request” – but the lameoids have disabled their ‘contact us’ link.
I guess without their fake ads, their forum, their principals listed, or their contact link working – they really ARE an empty shell. I mean …if you can’t contact them, they pretty much don’t really exist, right?
Oh, and I tried it under two unrelated email addys, in case they’d blocked my main one. Nope, it’s just disabled as far as I can tell.
I received the following response from Mare Stare on Thursday 11P ET:
was not aware of their position on breeding. I have received several email regarding this issue and I have contacted the AHHA to get their opinion on this. I do not condone breeding genetically defective animals of any kind and if this is fact, my banner will be removed, along with my support.
As of this morning there banner still appears, but I guess at this point it will be up to AHHA to respond to her request.
Good work, folks!
“woodlandduck said…
Apparently from a post during THIS discussion…..s/he is a paralegal.
“As a longtime litigation paralegal with extensive trial experience,”
so fugly is a wannabe attorney.”
*WORLDS LARGEST AHEM*
if you do not know what a paralegal is or does, i suggest you do not advertise this fact as a point of pride. just as a waitress is not a ‘wannabe chef’ and carpenter is not a ‘wannabe architect’, a paralegal has different responsibilities, duties and practice expertise to an attorney. it is neither a junior nor subservient position – it is simply DIFFERENT.
if youd like to sit in the corner with your underpants on your head now, more intelligent people than yourself can continue to mock as you deserve.
(sorry to double post one more time, but…)
its WORKING! fuglyhorseoftheday is working!!! people ARE learning, sponsors are questioning, bullshit organisations are shutting down (or at least shutting ‘off’ for the time being).
proof that the best way to change a mind is sometimes with a brick.
*wipes tear* im feelin’ the power, people. im also passing out toffees
Good news all! I received an e-mail from Heather at Marestare. Here is her message:
“I have received several email from people in regards to our advertising on that site. I am not sure how I would have known what their breeding practices are – can you point this out to me so I can research it? I do not believe in breeding genetically defective horses of any kind and I will not support any organization that does so. Again, I was not aware….I would like more information on this and I will contact the organization for an explanation as well.”
Lightbulb on…
lifelike001
I’m humming that Queen song:
But it’s been no bed of roses
No pleasure cruise –
I consider it a challenge before the whole human race –
And I ain’t gonna lose –
We are the champions – my friends
And we’ll keep on fighting – till the end –
We are the champions –
We are the champions
No time for losers
‘Cause we are the champions – of the world –
Toffee dipped in coffee! Yumm
lol u lot, sometimes it amazes me how one person starts something then it just carries on.ALL this sleuthing looking for someone who NEVER actually claimed to be a lawyer(if thats the complete email) only that they ‘represented’ the AHHA(AH..HA is better lol). l believe it’s gotten out of hand everyone through misinterpreting the sentence.This person is not claiming to be a lawyer so think twice about ur posts.l love the fact that people have actively done something concerning sponsorship etc, THE BIGGEST problem is how do we stop them breeding these poor animals?
Regards to all
OHHH YEAAA, it’s piss weak of them to lock the forum.They must be scared of what will be posted on there hey.
weeeee are the fugfighters, my friiiiiends! and we’lllll keep on snarking till it ends!! *waves lighter*
heheh ‘fugfighters’
we need antifug weaponry PYEOWPYEOW! a big bazooka that blasts a Sir Pukey Moopressive into a Samba Hit in .06 of a second!
ill get my scientists onto it
shells – ‘ronnie’ DID claim to be a lawyer by describing him/herself as ‘private counsel’.
though i still say the P.C. stands for Public Cockwit.
Pardon my redundancy, but I (oops) posted this on the wrong topic, so here it is again, for your readig pleasure.
I feel quite proud to have been a part of this whole endeavor. I feel like something good has been accomplished, and wow! how quickly it happened.
My favorite farrier used to do a barn of halter horses. He also does a barn of young racehorses in training. As bad as the racehorses can be, he’d rather do them any day over a halter horse.
On a slightly different note: my favorite farrier just got a new customer who said their horse was double registered Quarter Horse and Paint. Ummmmm – as far as I was aware that was impossible. Has something weird changed since I was more UTD on the AQHA white rule? I told him that was impossible – but was I wrong? Anyone? Since I’ve had children, I’m kind of out of the loop on things like that. But!!!!! they are getting older and my “mini-me” choose brushing horses over the new go-cart yesterday. HURRAY! I thought I was the ONLY horse addict in the family. Maybe I won’t have to ride alone forever……
4horses&holding said, “On a slightly different note: my favorite farrier just got a new customer who said their horse was double registered Quarter Horse and Paint. Ummmmm – as far as I was aware that was impossible.”
AQHA is registering (even dead ones) that now qualify for AQHA papers (and their descendants). These are horses that got APHA papers, who were not eligible for AQHA registration due to excessive white. The only ones who AREN’T eligible are ones who trace to unknown Paint ancestors, or Tobiano blood. And it’s quite a process, because the oldest eligible ancestors must have their AQHA papers (and all the proper paperwork signed by everyone along the line, etc.) before the descendants can get their AQHA papers. These would be horses who otherwise have an all-QH pedigree, ones who would have been eligible for AQHA papers had they not had excessive white. Many cropout QHs got Paint papers, and many were then bred back to QHs, so those resulting foals would be eligible (at least by pedigree). What really makes it confusing is these DR horses sometimes have two different names (one at APHA, a different one at AQHA), yet are the same horse.
AQHA has eliminated their white rule entirely. And APHA has implemented a One Paint Parent rule; no more AQHA cropouts can be registered APHA.
“AQHA has eliminated their white rule entirely. And APHA has implemented a One Paint Parent rule; no more AQHA cropouts can be registered APHA.”
I should add, no more AQHA cropouts (QH x QH, QH x TB) can be registered APHA who were foaled after a certain date.
forthefutureofthebreed said…
shovels said, “Wouldn’t A cover rearing, falling from rearing, and such? That B rule just seems strange to me – but I’m the one who used to lay down and fall asleep in the class when mom made me show halter.”
One would think that rule would cover it, huh.
Actually, Rule A only covers horses that get loose from their handler. A horse can flip over backwards and if the handler is still holding the lead shank, it is not considered “loose”. That is why Rule B had to be implemented. Because the big name trainers will contest anything and everything in order not to be disqualified from a class.
forthefutureofthebreed,
Thank you! I don’t know if I was ever aware that the APHA would let you register an unregisterable (is that a word?) AQHA with the APHA – I just assumed they had to have at least 1 APHA parent.
I’ve never been familiar with the APHA rules/regs, and it’s amazing the things that you forget you knew. I may have known all that years ago.
Two thumbs up for the MareStare folks for making the right decision.
I’m encouraged to see SO FEW people defending this policy. Sounds like we truly are on our way to more responsible breeding in this country (and the world!)
The latest message from Heather at Marestare:
Thank you so much Julie. As I said, I do not condone breeding any animal with genetic defects. I appreciate you sending me this and I find it hard to believe that anyone would actually state that they approve of such a thing. How sad….do they also approve of breeding LWO to LWO??? Good grief.
Anyway – I have contacted them to remove my banner. I hope they do some research and sole(sic) searching and change their opinions and practices.
Heather
Perhaps I am slow today, but what is LWO?
I have also contacted a couple of stallion owners regarding their stallion’s ad. We’ll see what kind of response I get on those!
Power to the People! Okay, different context than the original statement was going for, but hey, whatever works!
I think Heather meant OLWS….so she’s not UTD on genetics…at least she has her intentions in the right place….
copy of email sent to American Halter Horse Association:
I was wondering why you choose to have your “poster horse” be one who has feet that are two sizes too small for his body, and front legs that are not straight up and down, but angled back towards his back legs. He has a lovely head & neck, but his front legs look like pony legs.
If you are promoting horses who are the “true representatives of the breed for which they stand,” shouldn’t the “poster horse” be one who better exemplifies the correct conformation of it’s breed?
graywolf, thanks – that does make more sense.
I posted this question on the “Leading the…” topic, but I don’t know if anyone is still really posting there – so here it is:
what in the world happens to all the overly muscled freak babies who AREN’T “halter quality?” Is it like the greyhound pups who aren’t fast enough? Do they just shoot ‘em and dump the bodies in a mass grave or out in the woods? Slaughter trucks? Which brings up the question, how SAFE is a HYPP H/H horse for those horse-eating freaks to eat?
I can’t imagine, with the surplus of usable horses, that a never-will-be usable, untrained baby is in much demand.
Mare Stare banner is gone. I bet those folks (or that folk) over at American Halter Horse Association is not very happy with us today.
Marestare’s logo is now removed from AHHA! yee haw!
4Horses&Holding said…
Perhaps I am slow today, but what is LWO?
I believe that she is referring to Lethal White Overo, or something along those lines.
I was browsing the ads at American Halter Horse Association and saw this one Skipa Stardust – He’s ‘dunskin’….. is that a new “official” color that I have never heard of?
Woah, looks like FuglyFarm (Lot’s on Pines) has blocked their guestbook and deleted my nicely!snarky comment….
Aus riders loving the FUGLY blog – keep it up!
It’s not necessary to have Impressive lines to get a horse who’s naturally muscular. This is one that I bred, and the second picture is him at 3 yrs, after living in a pasture his entire life, with no “man-made” work.
I did geld him, btw. Not so good pictures, these were scanned into my computer years ago (he’d be 10 now, but he suffered a freaky stall accident last year and had to be put down…. you know the kind – the REALLY cautious, careful, safety-minded owner has horse that finds the ONE thing you could NEVER imagine and hurts themself on it.
few weeks old and
3 year old
Hey, I found a way to keep hounding these folks at AHHA! Go to their classified ads and report EACH one as “OFFENSIVE.” There’s a button on each classified ad to do so. Just enter your comments there!
I told them, not only was the ad offensive, the whole friggin’ site was offensive.
ChromeCowgirl said…
Ugh! Lets not get started on AmreStare. While I enjoy watching the babies born, I absolutely HATE watching their owners! lmao And so much of the “shit” that ends up happening is so preventable.
But, I still watch. I like to think that it helps me learn what NOT to do if I ever have a mare to foal out.
Oh man, is that ever the truth!
I LOVE watching the mares foal. And many are very nice horses.
BUT!!
There are SO MANY on there producing absolute CRAP… it’s almost like they keep breeding the mare because they like the attention marestare gives them. OY!
And some of the places the mares are kept… jeeeeeeeeeeeeez…
4Horses&Holding said…
Thank you! I don’t know if I was ever aware that the APHA would let you register an unregisterable (is that a word?) AQHA with the APHA – I just assumed they had to have at least 1 APHA parent.
I’ve never been familiar with the APHA rules/regs, and it’s amazing the things that you forget you knew. I may have known all that years ago.
The APHA one Paint Parent Rule is very recent, within the last couple of years. I was (and still am) very much against that rule.
Did anyone look at the video’s on Lots of Pines Stallions? The poor things could hardly move! Statuary was ok, and I actually rather like him, but he is N/N. The others are N/H, and their main stud, whom they show turned out in boots etc, is dead lame in the rear. Look at thier videos, then look at a vedio of a huge angus bull trotting around..the movement is the same.
“Actually, Rule A only covers horses that get loose from their handler. A horse can flip over backwards and if the handler is still holding the lead shank, it is not considered “loose”. That is why Rule B had to be implemented. Because the big name trainers will contest anything and everything in order not to be disqualified from a class.”
It sounds like it’s getting to where you take a lawyer to a show with you. “You can’t DQ (fail) my horse (child), it’s detrimental to their stud fee (self-esteem)”.
Welcome to America. You can be/do anything you want to be/do, if you can afford the lawyer.
Dunskin may not be an ‘official’ color but I believe it is a valid designation for a dun that carries a cream gene, or you could have a dunalino if it was a red-based dun with a cream gene. If you are talking AQHA, many of the official colors aren’t all that correct when it comes to describing what color genes a horse actually carries. I don’t know if they’ve changed any recently, but used to be you had red roans or blue roans — period, no bay roans, or heaven forbid dun roans or…, well, you get the point and now my head is hurting.
MARKEL e-mailed me and said the same thing, an unauthorized banner ad.
So they’re good!
Yep, me too: Here’s her response. Yay Markel
Thank you for your comments. In response to your email, Markel Insurance Company is not, nor ever has been, a sponsor or endorsed carrier for the American Halter Horse Association.
After receiving several emails of an advertisement placed on http://www.halterhorse.org, I have contacted the American Halter Horse Association and requested immediate removal of any and all advertising relating to Markel Insurance Company.
Again, we appreciate the time you have taken to share your comments and if you have any further questions, please contact me.
Sincerely,
Linda Crooks Lee
Marketing Manager
Markel Insurance Company
Phone: (804) 527-7684 or (800) 431-1270, ext. 7684
Fax: (804) 965-1689
Email: LLee@markelcorp.com
Hooray! Nice work, guys.
FHOTD makes a difference! This is so exciting!
I got the following from Markel today …as some others may have. These poor fools are SO totally busted.
“Thank you for your comments. In response to your email, Markel Insurance Company is not, nor ever has been, a sponsor or endorsed carrier for the American Halter Horse Association.
After receiving several emails of an advertisement placed on http://www.halterhorse.org, I have contacted the American Halter Horse Association and requested immediate removal of any and all advertising relating to Markel Insurance Company.
Again, we appreciate the time you have taken to share your comments and if you have any further questions, please contact me.
Sincerely,
Linda Crooks Lee
Marketing Manager
Markel Insurance Company
Phone: (804) 527-7684 or (800) 431-1270, ext. 7684
Fax: (804) 965-1689
Email: LLee@markelcorp.com“
Halter Horse .org has put up a new banner ad advertising free ad space. and has changed the photo on their front page…
lifelike, in my country to say that you ‘represent’ a club/sport organisation and so on would only mean you may be speaking on behalf of them or maybe even an offical representative such as DC(district commissioner)Presisent etc as it is up to certian individuals within a club to handle(deal communicate and so on) problems on behalf of the club.The said person representing the club would most times try to deal with an issue without legal representatives unless there was a chance of being sued(then you get advice before dealing with issue).Anyway all that said l personally dont believe ronnie was representing him/herself as a lawyer but thats a moot point in itself lol.THEY should NOT approve of shitty breeding practices!!!!!
oh yea, just how many of us are aussie riders/breeders/horsey people??? l be very curious lol
Please do notice – the picture on the home page does NOT show any feet or legs. I wrote an email to them and asked why they chose to a horse with bad feet / legs to be their poster horse. I actually got a very nice reply back (which almost made me feel guilty for being snarky), I wonder if that had anything to do with the photo being changed.
Copy:
Actually if you have a halter horse of any breed we would love to promote them. We only used the ones that provided us pictures. We are a Christian based organization that just opened less than a week ago so we do not have a lot choose from yet. We have many other breeds who are signing up; we just need pictures to promote them.
Thank you for your comment, it is important to us. Please let us know if we can be of any further assistance.
The Marestare banner is back…
Sorry, posted my original to the wrong thread – double post:
Here is my chronological correspondence with Marestare:
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:06 PM
To: Heather@marestare.com
Subject: Please don’t support CRUELTY – AHHA Sponsorship
Dear Marketing Manager -
It has been brought to my attention, and to the attention of thousands of other responsible horse owners and breeders, that Mare Stare is an official sponsor of the AHHA- American Halter Horse Association. http://www.halterhorse.org – Your logo appears in the banner rotation at the top of the home page. (You may have to refresh to view it.)
I respectfully request that you withdraw your sponsorship and all association with the AHHA. The AHHA ENCOURAGES the breeding of horses that have been tested POSITIVE for HYPP. ( Hyperkalemic Periodic Paralysis). I trust that you are familiar with this disease and the devastating affect it has on horses. The only reason these people encourage and perpetuate this disease is to produce what they consider a well-conformed halter horse. There is nothing well-conformed about these horses. They are grotesquely malformed with over -muscling (a la steroids) and tiny hooves, upright pasterns. Essentially they can be used for nothing but halter. They are truly not conformed to withstand other types of activities such as reining, cutting, jumping, or even simple arena or trail riding.
It is my understanding that by not limiting their registration to exclude any genetic abnormality, they do indeed encourage irresponsible breeding. This would also include horses testing positive for HERDA, an equally, if not more devastating disease.
Aside from the fact that they are destroying the AQHA breed, it is cruelty beyond belief to perpetuate a line that produces horses that could potentially be doomed to a short, torturous existence, suffering from paralytic episodes, heart failure and death from HYPP, or experience the horrific skin afflictions of HERDA.
It is perhaps possible that your link has been posted on their site without your permission. They may be trying to “fool” visitors to their site into thinking that you are a sponsor. If that is the case, they I encourage you to contact this organization and request they delete your logo from their banner rotation.
I would appreciate a response to this e-mail.
Respectfully,
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From: “Mare Stare” Heather@marestare.com
Subject: RE: Please don’t support CRUELTY – AHHA Sponsorship
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 23:03:44 -0400
I was not aware of their position on breeding. I have received several email regarding this issue and I have contacted the AHHA to get their opinion on this. I do not condone breeding genetically defective animals of any kind and if this is fact, my banner will be removed, along with my support.
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Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 7:43 AM
To: Heather@marestare.com
Subject: RE: Please don’t support CRUELTY – AHHA Sponsorship
Good morning – I just wanted to alert you to the fact that halterhorse.org is again displaying your logo. It was removed for a while, but it is now back on. They really are quite nervy.
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From: “Mare Stare” Heather@marestare.com
Subject: RE: Please don’t support CRUELTY – AHHA Sponsorship
Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 07:45:27 -0400
I asked them to leave the banner there until I make a decision. I have a response to them in defense of the accusations that are being spread about them and until I make a decision on this my banner will remain.
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Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 8:02 AM
To: Heather@marestare.com
Subject: RE: Please don’t support CRUELTY – AHHA Sponsorship
Thanks, that is certainly your prerogative. I truly hope you will make the right decision. Essentially, they developed this registry because the AQHA and others, do not allow registration of horses that carry the HYPP gene, for obvious reasons. This registry does promote such irresponsible breeding all for the want of winning halter classes. Sad.
If their response is that they are no longer going to allow HYPP positive horses in their registry, then that’s great. My purpose is not to fight the registry; my purpose is to fight the intentional breeding of HYPP positive horses, for monetary gain with no regard to the horses comfort and health.
In any event, though you don’t need my validation, you are absolutely right to review all available information and make a decision based on your own research and conscience.
Thanks again for your willingness to at least look into the matter.
Enjoy the day.
Just one of the stallions listed on the halter horse thingie.
Stallion Name: A PAGE N PLAYGIRL
Date Foaled: 1999
Breed: Quarter Horse
Level of Experience: Superior
Stallions Color: Sorrel
Height: 2
Breeding/Booking Fee: $1,000.00
Transported Semen: Yes
HYPP Results: N/H
OLWS Results: N/H
Standing At:: Kaser Quarter Horses
City: Homeland
State or Province: California
Country: United States
Zip Code: 92548
“We have also taken steps to ensure that any animal requesting a listing for breeding services has had a genetic profile completed and that information will be posted.”
Then why do at least 15 stallions have no info on their HYPP & OLWS standing?
There are two stallions with NH for OLWS, six with NH for HYPP, one with NH for HYPP then rest saying nothing. So much for genetic profiles.
Here is the most recent correspondence from Heather @ marestare. It is a forwarded message from Christie at AHHA. I will include my response as well.
Hi Heather,
We do not want to promote any kind of genetic disorder because it only hurts the horse. We are promoting showing of the halter discipline for every breed. I would like to go on the chronicle and see what has been said but it would probably upset me and I want to stay upbeat about what we can provide to horse owners from minis to drafts. I know they are having an issue with the stock type horses and issues that are surrounding all associations due to the HYPP. But do they know about other issues that are common with other breeds:
HYPP – stock type Quarter, Paint and Appaloosas
HERDA – affecting the Poco Bueno bloodlines
OLWS – affecting any overo and some solid breeders… these babies die within 24 hours!
Minis – issues with dwarfism and how it affects the quality of life
Drafts – scratches were they suffer from terrible skin scratching to the point were they rub off all of their hair and bleed…
I think every breed has something that affects them. What are they going to do when the World Conformation Horse Association opens next month (they are all major players in the stock type halter industry opens)? I can’t imagine how they will attack them. I’m sure it will be similar to the same. We will support them (not on the HYPP) issue, but because they are doing a wonderful job making a change in the overall structure of what is being bred now (small hooves, light boned, etc.). I think they can make a stance on what should and shouldn’t judged on in the arena.
Best Regards
Christie
American Halter Horse Association
P.O. Box 227
Merit, TX 75458
HalterHorse.org
My Response:
Hi Heather,
Thank you for forwarding Christie’s message, but I have to say, she’s contradicting what they have in their e-mail. And yes, all of the individuals on the blog are against breeding horses that have HERDA, minis that suffer from Dwarfism, and intentionally breeding OLWS horses to OLWS horses. There are many different topics discussed on this blog, and those have been discussed. It is the general opinion of those on the blog, that anyone that knowingly breeds horses with genetic defects, is only doing so for the money and not out of love for the horse. Plain and simple. I personally own a Paso Fino mare that is carrying a genetic defect, so she was spayed along with all the other daughters of this particular stallion, and all the colts were gelded. That is the responsible thing to do. To lump OLWS in with HERDA and HYPP is a bit of stretch though. Horses that carry the gene, do not suffer some horrible, painful disease! They just should not be bred to other OLWS carriers.
There is a reason that the parent organizations of certain horses won’t register horses that are HYPP H/H. They are trying to eliminate the defect by preventing offspring from those horses from being registered, with the hope that that will discourage owners from breeding those horses. Allowing those horses to be “registered” without restriction certainly encourages those people to keep breeding because now the offspring can be “registered” with the AHHA. Seriously, that is how Backyard Breeders (aka BYB on the blog) think! When I was a child, I thought it was so “cool” to have my half-Quarter Horse registered, now I know better. She was a wonderful grade mare, but probably shouldn’t have been bred.
Anyone whom claims that HYPP is “no big deal” should really watch this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE-kuYDrNEU&NR=1
Now imagine that happening to a horse in the show ring. That is essentially what AHHA is ignoring by allowing such horses in their organization.
Here is a link for HERDA: http://www.bringinglighttohypp.org/HERDA.html
Here is a link for OLWS: http://www.bringinglighttohypp.org/OLWS.html
You can peruse the blog at http://fuglyhorseoftheday.blogspot.com I will warn you, though, the language is not always very pretty, but if you look past some of the bad language, there really is much to be learned from this large group of individuals. Not everyone agrees with everyone either, so it’s not a big “clique”, just a bunch of people that truly love horses and are outraged at some of the things that go on in our world.
The other thing that bothers me is the people behind AHHA don’t appear to be forthright individuals. There were several banner “ads” that appeared on their website looking like “sponsors” to the likes of Ariat & Barnmaster. Neither company was aware of their “ads”, and they were promptly removed after people on the blog started e-mailing. You yourself received many such e-mails. There is some question about whether someone associated with the organization may be presenting themselves as something they are not.
My personal opinion is that this organization is only in it for the “almighty buck” and not what’s in the best interest of the horse. If they truly were concerned about these genetic defects, they would either #1 not allow those horses in the organization, or #2 require that proof of gelding or spaying accompany registration request. It’s pretty obvious that #2 is probably not feasible, as I’m sure documents could be forged, and since spaying a mare is expensive, those owners would have to be pretty interested in belonging to AHHA to fork over the money for the surgery. So to me, the only REAL option is #1.
Feel free to pass this on to Christie.
Total crap – MareStare should be ashamed!!!!
MareStare isn’t going to pull it’s banner off because they don’t care. They are allowing a person who had 20 some odd horses removed from their property for neglect and abuse have a thread on there.
Go to http://www.arabianbreeders.net/Forums/Enea-s-Story-t528.html
Read all 50 pages and you will see how marestare has stuck by that person. It is a sad story and it shows how our justice system has broken down.
Actually nospots, I have been exchanging e-mails the last couple of days with Heather and Marestare. She is trying to fully understand the issue with AHHA.
As far as Zalea Farm having a foal cam, how would Marestare be aware of what was happening at the farm? I did manage to peruse about 11 pages of that forum you posted, but other than reading all the posts from justifiably upset horse people, I never saw anything that suggested Marestare was supporting her. Can you be a little more specific?
sorry that was Heather at Marestare…
Just received an e-mail from the owner of RH Imprints, a stallion listed on AHHA. She did not know it was there, and is having it removed.
Wow. Nothing like taking liberties with the “power of the internet.” (Talking about ‘borrowing’ banner ads and stallion names)
I bet the people at the American Halter Horse Association chalk up the day FHOTD found them as one of the worse days!
In one of my previous posts, I mentioned how all of their stallion “ads” are posted by AHHA, not by the owner’s themselves. So far, the one owner is the only one that has responded. I’m sure the majority of the owners have no clue!
I had also noticed that the ads were all placed by ahha – but, I guess I assumed at first that they had permission to use the stallions….. after finding out about the banner ads, I had started wondering if maybe they didn’t have permission. Well, now we know that they did not for at least one. Like you, I would not be surprised to find out they don’t for the rest of them, too.
They are supporting the IA person by not removing her threads. In the many pages on ABN you will read some of the documents that the sheriff dpt has on the case.
She has been convicted of horse abuse before and then in May when the horses were removed for same reasons. It is my opinion that if the thread isn’t removed then they are supporting that person and what they are doing.
The old saying “you are who you hang around with” comes to mind with marestare and that woman.
Well, they’ve got a new banner ad on their “browse ads” page, from Heartland Veterinary Supply. They’re a reputable company; has anyone contacted them?
Interesting. According to what was previously quoted in their rule book:
“To ensure we “Repay no one evil for evil
but be honest, proper and noble –
aiming to be above reproach in the sight
of everyone†– Romans 12:17
Amplified Bible. Texas translation – We will not
be ugly, even when people are ugly to us. We will be
honest, trustworthy and fair so that no one can say we
done them wrong.”
I had no idea the above means “If I don’t like how you talk about me, I will threaten to sue your pants off you.”
I found this on You tube and was shocked there is a reason they shouldn’t breed animals that have this genitic disorder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE-kuYDrNEU