Now we know where they get some of those loony prices from
Aug 31 2007
Check it out – Myhorsevalue.com !
It’s like the Kelley Blue Book of horses!
Except for the fact that you can put your horse in as being 15.8 hands high, and that a horse who is safe for an experienced rider is more valuable than a horse who is safe for an intermediate rider, and a horse who is trained for english riding is always more valuable than a horse who is only trained for western…
But hey, I am positively thrilled to find out that the horse I paid $1000 for is really worth $5,426. Not to mention the $400 horse who is now worth $1075 because she got major brownie points for being a sabeeeeeno. 
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Holy shit. My 5 year old greenbroke QH mare who the horse trader probably picked up at auction for $500 is worth over ten grand. I’m in the money.
Umm… wow. I love that a horse’s base color could be “paint” or “pinto”. Good to know that my all-around prospect (who is leaning towards english) is worth $7,000.00 in my area. I would probably price him at about half that, but then again, he’s a paint – those spots are worth everything.
And my mare… she’s apparently worth $12,000… even though I am pretty sure that breeding stocks rarely sell for that much, especially since the highest we ever showed was at the regional level. Oh, that’s right… she’s got a “unique” color. Being a dilute makes her extra special.
I was shocked when I entered a friend’s very accomplished well-bred well-conformed would-make-a-great-addition-to-anybodys-stable horse and only got 4k.
Shiiiit, now what am I gonna do? Tell her she needs to get a refund?
That site is KOOKED, and you’re RIGHT, that must be EXACTLY where some of these idiots get their pricing.
Indeed.
The people who made that site must be living in a dream world. Can you imagine how many people are going to call flea-bitten grey or bleached-out colors “unique”?
It told me that my mare was worth about $1,000. Which is about what I had her priced at for the YEAR I spent trying to sell her… and eventually gave her away for free.
They have a ridiculously small amount of breeds on there too. They were missing dozens of breeds, some that are even quite poplular (I didn’t see TWH on there!)
LMAO!!!!!!
My fricken’ 21+ year old 14.1hh UNREGISTERED Appendix QH pony is supposedly worth $13,547!!!!
I sold him for $1,000, guess I got gyped on that one, huh?
my Friesian/QH is worth 9K…boy now that would be cool:)
My 21 year old mildly arthritic appy spayed mare who’s still technically unfishished/green (first 6 owners were not into riding I guess) is worth $4875!! LMAO!!!
Haha my SOLID PAINT BRED was worth $12K? Yeah right, in what world? Geez! MAYBE $5K, if I am lucky! Don’t get me wrong, he is an awesome horse. But he is S-O-L-I-D!
My gorgeous, loud colored colt with good breeding and willing attitude? $2K. Hmm…. I sure hope that is not right… Seeing as how I figured he is worth more than the SPB.
My halter mare? $7K. Wouldn’t that be nice? I doubt she is worth that much. If she is then her old owners are most likely kicking themselves right now [which is VERY doubtful].
Whoo-Hoo, fantasy land here we come!
My 7 year old, bay, OTTB, with slight lameness issues, is apparently worth $8000. I’d ask $5000 TOPS (and if I got it, I would have succeeded in ripping off the buyer).
That is the stupidest thing that I have ever seen. What a dumbass. Someone should post under “How to make your horse worth more” and say – start by not breeding the fugly thing in the first place.
Dear Geld-the-fugly, sorry to disappoint you. Again, I am trying to catch up with old blogs and have become mired in three days of fun stuff. But, no, no one in legitimate Morgandom wants you to cross a nice registered Morgan with your butterfly-winged fairy Freisian. Woe betide anyone who tries that little scheme. The drumbeat in the Morgan world is, “If you LIKE a kind of horse, BUY that kind of horse (ie Freisian, Paso, saddlebred, sport, etc.)” A Morgan should be unique in any herd, easily spotted (oh dear, not THAT kind of spotted!) by his upheaded conformation which looks as if the neck sits on top of the shoulder with a smooth unbroken curve from poll to withers, by a relatively long underline from elbow to stifle with a shorter back, but sloping shoulder and long hip, high-set tail carried gaily, longer forearm with shorter cannon, etc. Find the Standard at American Morgan Horse Association.
Do all Morgans conform to the standard? No. Do the best ones? Yes. Is there a lunatic fringe of breeders who think anything that’s in the show ring must be a mutant behind-the-barn-half-saddlebred? Yes. Are they right? No!!!!
It is accepted that the highest amount of direct blood back to the original Figure/Justin Morgan Horse is around 10%. One stallion founded the breed and everything from the beginning was an outcross. When Joseph Battelle researched the first registry volumes most horses were allowed in on TYPE alone. Many big breeders had numerous stallions running with herds of mares. Honest mistakes occured, but the gene pool of type was pretty consistent. With bloodtying and then DNA the gene pool was sealed in perpetuity, and if there’s a scoundrel saddlebred back in today’s Morgan pedigree is sure doesn’t bother me. But it bothers some folk, and then a couple of high profile breeders tried messing with the rules (Maxine Snow, Bruce Ekstrom, loooong stories) but they were eventually dealt with by the reigstry and the courts. In the Ekstrom case over 50 papered horses were purged from the registry with attendant lawsuits, and it was ugly for everybody. No system is perfect, but the AMHA has one of the most stringent and resposible registries in the horse world. If you buy a registered Morgan today you can be sure it is of proper bloodlines.
Ja and Kay, I’m still stymied by photobucket. Sorry.
Hey, I like that site! It said my $300 Mustang is worth $10,000!
Yeah, well, my 26 year old mare who has a touch of arthritis and is a LEAD MARE personailty (read headstrong, stubborn, whatever you want)is worth $1602!! And though she is priceless to me, there is no way I could sell her for that if I tried! (not that I would)
She was an abuse case that I rehabilitated. I used her for years in 4-H and have used her recently for Medieval reeinactment. She does not have the best conformation, but it has never affected her soundness. She is bold, intelligent, has amazing endurance, a smooth gait, and is amazingly fast. She would probably be considered a “fugly” by most people, but I did breed her so I could have another one like her. I love her so much, and she is old, so now I have a filly just like her. She is a TWH (not registered) and I breed for purpose, not looks. She is the toughest, smartest old bird on the place. Her filly was practically born trained, I have never started a horse that went so easily!
I have one even better but dogs. I client brought in her fugly Yorkie that weighed less then 2 pounds at 7 months old.. can we say liver shunt?? Anyway this fugly dog that was matted and has an overbite like I have never seen … was bought for the bargain basement price of $7500.00!!! I am marketing my dogs waay to little. I only sell my AKC champion sire/dam with all their health testing (parents that is) puppies for $1200-$1500. I need to give her a deal on one of my puppies for only $5000.
Dumbasses are born everyday!!!
On my Morgan soapbox again, dear readers: Okey dokey, I skimmed Dramhorse and oh my dearie me of my, what an assortment! Hard to find a decont conformation shot of any of the Morgans listed. But here’s a random selection with a few remarks to get you started:
1083412 (okay, middling Morgan)
1029672 (saddle-type)
1078655 (OLD type, a mite plump!)
1069977 (NEW type, most modern bloodlines)
1061524 (not a bad palomino if you like color)
1081107 (exudes feminine type)
1055957 (best of the bunch, cute baby, hope his front legs are better than pictured)
1079548 (typy, long backed)
I didn’t go through all the listings, but these seem to cover the gamut. Again, if you can find a good UVM Morgan you’re generally ahead of the game.
It’s simple, really. Price them like one of the (shall remain) anonymous horse sellers of the internet prices them:
1.) Original purchase price of unbroke, hairy cayuse of special coloring and usually unknown or undisclosed parentage: $1500
2.) Clean up said cayuse, take photos of first day free jumping in braids and a snaffle bridle, offer for sale at $12k as a green jumping/dressage/hunter prospect, now magically eligible for AWS registration (but, of course it’s AWS), with threats of “increasing price as training increases”
3.) Increase price throughout the year according to current hay market, because feeding $1500 horses isn’t cheap
4.) Sell cleaned-up cayuse 3 years after purchase (or however long it takes to rein in the next neophyte buyer) at an undisclosed deep discount, but proudly post on the website the horse sold for the highest price advertised
5.) Let the new owner register with the AWS at their own expense
Lather, rinse, repeat. Folks, this is how to make money buying and selling horses.
(Some people don’t need no stinkin’ horse seller’s blue book.)
Heh, I guess it is because he could be ridden by an inexperienced rider?
My BROKE 12year old, 16.3 H, TB Prelim level event horse, who sold for 22K…. horsey blue book said he was worth $3,500?!?!?
My Appy children’s hunter who sold for 17K his price, 2,500?!?
Ok, makes no sense, But I guess if they had good color, and were back yard bred, and good for “experienced riders only” they would be worth a fortune…
Hm, no extra $$ for National level competitors?
Awk awk, my horsie is only worth 11K!!!
The yearling buckskin MFT gelding that I just GAVE AWAY is apparently worth $5000.
Just for kicks I entered the info in on a half-arab mare that sold for $350K earlier this year, and she came back as being worth 10K.
“But, no, no one in legitimate Morgandom wants you to cross a nice registered Morgan with your butterfly-winged fairy Freisian.”
I may be outing myself as a freak here, but I’ve seen a couple examples of this cross that I really liked. I sure as hell wouldn’t breed one myself, but if I was looking for a lower level dressage prospect to just kick around on and have fun, I’d go look at one to buy.
OMG that’s the most rediculous thing I’ve ever seen. It priced my QH that I’ve been kind of trying to sell for about a year at $26,000. HAHAHHA. I have him priced at $5,000 and I think that’s a little high for my area. R E D I C U L O U S! $26,000. *snorts*
My neighbor’s 25 year old gelding, blind in one eye, barrell racing winner 18 years ago, but her 7 year old grandson rode him around all summer. $5,138.
Wow – it’s great to know that my Morgan mare (who is actually quite nice) is worth a staggering $27,000! I’d better get on the stick and breed her immediately! (Just think of what she’d be worth IN FOAL!) Hmmm… should it be to a mini, or a drafter? Gotta love those warmbloods, right?
Hee hee hee. Thanks for such a great site!
Dear dfdesigns, don’t you dare!! What are your Morgan mare’s bloodlines, pray tell? In the interest of shared sarcasm, why don’t you go back to that Suffolk Punch a few blogs back and get yourself a Suff-gan?
Dear Amber, I appreciate what you say that a Morgan-Freisian can make a useful dressage-type horse, but I think most Morgan and Freisian breeders are most interested in preserving and promoting their purebreds. Both breeds are small compared to the larger Q and other stock registries and we gotta keep growing, not shrinking. There are some nice big sport Morgan stallion (WF Zimbabwe comes to mind) where you can get dressage movement and still be registered.
Guess I’m a purist at heart, and if I even decide to go smaller than my full Morgans I’m going to look at excellent Welsh ponies.
Oh wow…
my 14 year old QH mare who we bought for $3500 is apparently worth $17,103. Apparently, we got a deal! I love that they put the extra $3 dollars on the end, as if it makes that much of a difference. And I didn’t even say she was registered (which she is).
This website is nuts. Anyone who believes those prices is obviously crazy.
Woot. My 19 year old TB gelding is apparently worth $13,899. Wow. I paid $2,500 AUD and thought I was getting a good deal- he is medium dressage, 2 points off A grade showjumping, novice eventing and bombproof- but still, he is pretty old now.
That was crazy! The horse I just bought for $3500 is almost $13000 and my old retired mare is $8500. I need to find those buyers (I would never sell the horses) but I do have a bridge …..
Ummm, I hate to interrupt but, could someone go to pretzelkitty.com and let me know if you can see my horse pictures? It seems that something has messed up but I can’t check with another computer. Thanks!
Sweet! My mare is worth: $40,457!
I don’t think so.
Love how height can go up to .9
Also love how they ask about conformation, bad habits, etc.: Who isn’t going to say their horse is less than perfect?
Since when are patterns a base color? Gray and pinto most certainly aren’t base colors!
That site is completely screwed up. I seriously hope no one uses it to price their horses or he/she is in for a big disappointment.
Cathy-
The pictures on your horse page are not working.
Thanks Katana, apparently my “webmaster” took them down. Too bad. I’ve got them saved to my computer, might have to post them from Photobucket later.
Yeah, KBB my gelding for $15k… it’s a croc in my opinion lol. He’s got a unique “Bay Dun” color. We bought him for $4,500. Quite comforting to know he may be worth fifteen grand.
hahahahahahahaha, my 9 y/o psychotic registered QH gelding with some training, for an experienced rider, and some conformational issues is worth about $4000. So glad I got him from a rescue for $750! HAHAHAHAHAHA
I love this web site. My blind horse that I got from a rescue is $2214! The only thing is, it doesn’t tell you how to find the buyer who will pay that!
LMAO… Yeah some whacked out pricing there!!! But hey! I found out my gelding is worth 12,000 dollars! WAHOOO!!!
Well despite the fact that my wonderfully lined Holsteiner had to be listed as “other” because his breed wasn’t even on the list (but ‘Andalusia Cross’ and ‘Blued Eyed Horse Assoc – Champagne’ made it on the list) it says he is worth $7,500. That’s probably because despite being a semi-retired upper-level dressage horse, he is ancient at 17 years old and he is only a bay. And no one has heard of these “hole-steen-ers-” unless they’re a cow so he loses points there too.
I expect that had he had spots he would be worth triple that. Damn these crazy warmbloods and their worthless bay colorings! I’m getting the hair-dye now! He WILL be a sabino, dammit! And he will like it!
My Welsh broodmare – who is truly lovely but getting up there in age – came up being worth more than my Oldenburg mare in her prime. I, too, think it’s because the Welsh is sabeeeeeno and the Oldenburg is basic bay!
Hypno Toad – After dying him to look like a sabino, put in some purple patches! He’ll be very unique AND you can start a registry for horses with purple!
(Makes me laugh, I ride a bay Selle Francais for school, I joke he’s really a giraffe in disguise because he’s 18.1hh and because of his long neck.)
Also knew a woman who used to own a *gasp* bay Holsteiner. They are lovely horses.
*Raises eye brow*
You ride thum theer milk cows o’yours? If’n ya’all knowed enythin ’bout cows youd knows they is Holesteens not HolesteenERS….
OMG! ROFLMAO!
I think after I make him a sabino and add the purple spots, I should put in blue contact lenses and tie his legs up so he can be blue-eyed and gaited too!!!
I am so ashamed of my poor lowly bay cow-horse-thing with minimal white markings:
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff193/charmantlanuit/Charlie010.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff193/charmantlanuit/Charlie006.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff193/charmantlanuit/Charlie052.jpg
Maybe I should put HIM down? Poor boy, having to go through life without a single spot or blue eye. I mean, what kind of life is THAT? He is pretty much worthless I guess…
>>And no one has heard of these “hole-steen-ers-” unless they’re a cow so he loses points there too.< <
*snicker* And you ain’t gonna git no milk out of that gildin so whut good is he?
Farmer’s Wife– When I first moved to AZ, someone gave me an OLLLLLD black Morgan Gelding> I absolutely adored him and he was probably one of the best horses I have ever had the joy of being around.
His papers had been lost a long time ago, but he was the most regal horse I had ever seen. Occasionally, I run across Morgans that look like him, and I absolutely LOVE them.
Here are some Links to some ads for ones I like. Would you mind taking a moment and explaining to me what their “breeding type” is? I had a friend that owned two western pleasure type Morgans that just looked to me like grad QHs. I wasnt fond of them at all. Nor am I fond of the ones that look like a mix of Saddlebred and Arabian. I like ‘em Big and Bold!!! hehhehehe!
I LOVE the Morgan breed and would love to learn what I actually like about the ones I am fond of (if that makes any sense! lol) Feel free to e-mail me at BrushFireFarms@msn.com if you would like.
Thanks!!! Here are the links of the DreamHorse ads.
1071777
1029374
1017460
958519
HAHAHAHA
I made up a couple imaginary horses just to see what I’d come up with. I created a “Blue Eyed Horse Assoc-Champagne” (didn’t realize they were combining those registries now or that they were even related in the least… LMAO!) stallion who is also a Pinto, with mediocre conformation, movement, and soundness (which they call “acceptable”), no show experience, two years old and green broke, unregistered, but has a great personality and excellent health! Oh yeah, and he’s 16.8hh and 2100lbs. Guess how much he’s worth?
$19,455. Hell yes. I need to become a BYB, it really is where all the money is! Hm, and even though I said that he has no pedigree, it’s still listed as “strong”. Probably because he’s a blue eyed champagne!
I changed some things around a bit, enough to make the horse sound completely worthless, and he’s still worth $1,320.
I also sent them a subtly sarcastic comment, they’ll either recognize it as a joke or prove themselves so ignorant that they can’t even tell when they’re being made fun of.
Hypno-Toad– Your cow is gorgeous!!!! If I didn’t know better, I would say he looks just like a horse! hahaha
Seriously though, he is very pretty. I LOVE his regal head and convex profile… GORGEOUS!!!
Its a shame he is a gelding though. I bet you could breed him to millions of shetland pony mares and make thousands of dollars! lol He does need a blue eye and some spots. hehehe
I am almost ashamed to admit this, but he was a breeding stallion at one point in his life.
Now I haven’t done any tracking-down with the registry so I don’t know if he is responsible for any babies, but I am hoping that someone looked at him overall and said, “we can do better” and that is why he is a “gildin’”. Not that he is terrible by any standards as he has movement/personality/work ethic/ et cetera, but he could be better and isn’t that what breeding is all about?
I will also admit to some of his frozen semen still being in existence and I will also admit to planning on using it. That said, it will be only once, for my own use, the off-spring will be cut or spayed, and the broodmare will have an awesome shoulder and a really nice hind end. The perfect mare for this hasn’t come about yet as I am not impressed by simply anything with a vagina, but I am willing to wait.
Hopefully his bay will have blue eyes and spots?
… One can only hope. For the baby’s sake.
Wow… My 21 year old arthritic ASB mare with not so hot of conformation ex 4H to “B” show horse is worth an amazing 11 Grand!
My show horse who is half her age, totally sound, and has a national futurity title and several good show winsunder his belt is only worth $3K more than she is!
LOL this is fun!
My 3 y/o gelding is worth $17,400 because he’s a sound, well-mannered “sport horse” (Belgian Draft x tb) and is a dressage and hunters prospect (I’ll be showing him regionally at rated shows). What a great investment – I only paid $950 for him as a weanling. Maybe I should call the PMU rescue and let them know that they can get more than $1600 for their saddle-broke 4 year olds?
But then, my loud tovero yearling filly with a who’s who of APHA pedigree behind her, and who is built not only to halter but looks like she’s gonna be a pretty damn good western horse is only worth $4500. WTF? Still, considering I got her for free because she was born 1/2 blind, that’s still pretty good I guess. ;P
WOW i added my old Perlino mare i used to own….who was HYPP N/H apparently my minimal investment when she was 2 grew big time it says she is worth $14,300 i can live with that!! but no realistic at all…
I too am disappointed that the unique animal I posted is only worth $7,000.00.
When in fact, were he to exist, he would actually be worth around five times this amount- what are these people ON????
One way to stop this is to do what I have done- register and flood the board- it is fun making up a few horses but those of you with kids might want to leave them to do the other five hundred!!
Hypno Toad – He’s adorable! But you should be VERY ashamed for his lack of color! Dapples do give him some extra points!
My gelding was used as a stallion before we bought him. He’s gaited. He’s sabino. End of story. Nevermind he’s not exactly the best conformed. Maybe he jumped the fence? Nah, probably some idiot going “he’s gaited, she’s gaited, he’s spotted, let’s breed ‘em!”
ROFLMAO- My 28 year old gelding who does nothing but stand in the field and eat, and occasionally gives pony rides to the nephews and neighbors is worth sixteen THOUSAND dollars! Because he has good conformation, rides both English and Western, and was, at one time, a ‘regional performer’ in one of the many English disciplines listed. This, depsite the fact that if he were actually for sale, he’d probably only bring around $1,000. He’s sound, healthy, and fit (for a 28 year old, mind) and REGISTERED!!! Good to know run-of-the-mill bay Quarter Horse retirees are worth so much! I should have sold my mare before we put her down- she was a liver chestnut, I’m sure she was worth a mint.
I listed my Clydesdale/TB jumper first as a TB cross and it said $14,000. When I changed it to draft cross, it went up to $15,000. Woohoo, there’s my college tuition!
holy cow! my mare is worth 21 grand!
Dear ChromeCowgirl, I think I answered your Dreamhorse # items on a different blog thread here at FHOTD. I am easily confused. But, I have also emailed you privately so get back to me when you have a chance. I am no expert on Morgans, but have been invloved for 50 years with many fine trainers and teachers and historians of the breed educating me. Have worked with enough Youth of the Year contestants to know how to judge Morgan type and general good conformation. You show a good eye for an older-style typy horse. Hope you find the perfect Morgan for you in your future.
Okay Morgan fans, Google up “Sealect of Windcrest”. Use the quotation marks just like I spelled it out here, and the first site should be archive pix of him with Jeanne Mellin Herrick up. He was as typy a Morgan as ever you’ll see, and if conditioned up and shown in the “modern” way he could hold his own in Oklahoma City in October at Nationals. THIS is what a Morgan should look like, albeit he’s a mite plump…..
woo hoo. my 8 year old arthritic (who i bought for $400) but sound mare is worth 8000.
I put in the “info” for my 2yr old son’s miniature mare that we gave $500 for…it said she was worth $5500!!! WHOEVER DESIGNED THAT IS ON CRACK, OR WAS AT ONE POINT!!
Wow this is ridiculous! My Selle Francais gelding who has won at the A shows in the upper level jumpers AND hunters is only worth $18k?! Somebody would be getting a REALLY REALLY good deal if they got him for that….
Sweeeet–my middle-aged, unrideable, uber-fugly Arab/QH/Morgan/Cow/Mutt that was rescued from the kill pen for $200 will supposedly fetch $1,000, and my 10-year-old, short, fat, stubborn trail-horse Arab with a mediocre pedigree can supposedly get me $5,000! NOW I know how I can send my kids to college!
hahaha they don’t even have holsteiner as a breed
Oh man my 15hh appy that i paid 1500 for greenbroke is worth 10,000 because i event him. I probably wouldn’t even be able to get 3500 for him in my area.
I have to say..some of these backyard breeders/solictors of back yard breeders must have thought they hit the lotto with their hores, judging by how many times the price reflects the sites estimated value
Ya,. what a load of crap. My 21 year old all around, plain (but oh so lovable) Appallosa mare is worth more than twice as much as my regional champion 2 year old 1/2 arab halter mare who is a regional prospect in hunter and dressage and bred to the 9′s but not broke yet. Wierd?!?!?!
Hahaha! Rated my horse at $17,000 – I love my horse as much as the next person loves theirs, but I’d say about 7000 would be a fair amount for him. He does have CHAMPION BLOODLINES- Impressive!!! (My horse and his sire [thank god] are N/N)
hah! My brown, 10 y/o grade appendix gelding, trained for trail, some english, jumping and gymkhana is worth 7000$ Haha. I guess I got a REALLY good deal then, because he was FREE, the nitwit.
Awwwww…. My 6yr old, Perfect confo, lovely movement, stunningly marked Arabian Pony, registered with amazing bloodlines, always places, always clear, english, trail, barrels and some western is only worth $3400. Dang. Thats less than her daddies stud fee.