I will stop making fun of you "sport horse" breeders when you stop doing things like this
Aug 27 2007
Super nice mare, 100% dilute color with dun in her backround as well. Rides easy, neckreins, very quiet, trail and road safe either riding alone or with a group, nice family type horse. Proven producer, good mother, easy breeder and keeper. Impressive breeding, HYPP N/H asymptomatic. You know, there really isn’t any such thing as asymptomatic. All that means is “hasn’t had an attack yet.” Breed her, ride her or both…kid safe with supervision, hubby safe for trail riding, very smooth jog, and a naturally slow-going horse. Wear boots for trails on her front feet, new pair of Old Macs go with her when she sells. ( her soles bruise easily on rocky trails…dosen’t need boots for riding on grass or in arena) OK, those are worth about $200, at least you’ll have something left when the mare keels over! Will NOT sell to a “gamer” home!!! But you’ll sell her to one that breeds on a deadly disease. Your concern for horsekind is touching. OTOH, I guess I should be glad she won’t end up flopping around on a barrel trying to breathe with some kid pinned underneath her. Please e-mail for additional pictures…I have lots, including pics of her 2006 Buckskin Warmblood colt. **NOTE**I am going to breed her in June 2007 to my Bay Sabino Clydesdale if she remains unsold, for a 2008 Buckskin Sporthorse. My usual question, exactly what sport does a half Clydesdale half Quarter Horse with HYPP excel in? We had a half Clydesdale half Quarter Horse lesson horse at the barn where I grew up. He excelled in rooting, tripping and rubbernecking, but I don’t think any of that has been turned into a competitive discipline yet (though with the prevalence of draft crosses, it really ought to be.) Maybe if this one pops out HYPP positive, which it has a 50% chance of, you can add “falling over and thrashing.” Boy it’ll be fun dealing with a big old draft cross having a HYPP attack! That will be even MORE fun than dealing with it in a normal sized Quarter Horse. She will sell in foal for the same price, and the foal will be a rare color and worth what I am asking for her alone. Foal will be registerable with SHOC, AWS and PHR to name a few…her 2006 foal is also for sale. Not one, not two, but THREE made-up bullshit registries!
Upon further examination and finding her web site, damn near everything is for sale. Like our friends the other day, she blames the drought on her skinny horses. Who knew that horses needed to be rained on to be proper weight? I think she should take this significant veterinary discovery to the AVMA for their next convention. All sarcasm aside, just another BYB who is too fucking cheap to buy proper hay. Don’t tell me you CAN’T get it…people in places like L.A. and Phoenix are currently buying good hay for their horses. You live in the Midwest where it’s GROWN. It just costs MONEY you don’t want to spend. Check out the emaciated Thoroughbred mare behind this fat warmblood colt and that LOVELY fence line.
She also blames them being skinny on nursing. Yes, I’ve seen mares get a bit ribby but look at that mare’s topline. She is seriously underweight. That’s a sign you needed to up the nutrition so she could DEAL with nursing. This is not brain surgery. She needed more calories, you needed to give them to her, you failed miserably.
I think the TB is for sale. She has 3 on equinehits she is apparently afraid to put pictures up for. Guessing this is one. Remind me again that the inn is full…
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When will the stupidity end? When an animal’s skeletal structure is completely visible, its a bit of a warning sign that there just might be something wrong. That “fence” looks like a string of nylon rope… hmmm… Horse safe? Nope. Foal safe? Definately no. I am absolutely amazed by the lack of intelligence in this country
Thanks fugly for getting the word out about idiots breeding horses and trying to stop this spreading epidemic
Unbelievably stupid people. Anything to make a buck. They don’t deserve horses.
Okay both pics are terrible for fencing issues obviously. The first hello a board could stick out and really hurt that poor horse. And the second pic I didn’t know rope 3 feet off the ground was considered horse fence. SHEESH.
To say that the first horse can be bred is ridiculous and that they are breeding her with the chances of her producing babies with that horrible disease. God what some people won’t due for money. Makes me sick.
“We may be dumb, but we ain’t no nerds.” Could this be a good slogan for these Fugly horse breeders?
I would never let my horses starve. I’d go without before that happened. I wonder if the owner is doing that…
Our neighbors are hay growers and our place is surrounded for miles by hay fields here in CA. He just signed a contract with the State of Arkansas to provide them with hay…bought a special bale compresser machine that that compresses the bales tighter so they fit into 40′ export containers.
I haven’t seen a shortage of hay or huge price jump. I’m paying $8 a bale for really nice rye for winter, but I also have my pastures irrigated.
I’m fairly sure that a lot of the BYB have no idea what HYPP is, or what H/N means. That is no excuse, however, as there is plenty of information available on it! The thought of a QH/Clyde cross having an HYPP seizure is about as horrifying as it can be — not only do you have to deal with the seizure, but you have a half-draft horse thrashing around trying to breath. Insane.
I saw their ad on equinenow.
I’m with futureofthebreed… holy cow, what a bunch of morons.
Just loggin’ in—will comment later.
FH, its not a Warmblood colt, remember! Its a DRAFT CROSS! Don’t let them assimilate you into their draft sport horse religion! He’s actually super cute though. Mom however is super skinny, and the dilute mare has no heels. Put SHOES on your damn horse, woman! Oh wait, shoes cost money, corrective shoes cost more. I get it.
“Like our friends the other day, she blames the drought on her skinny horses.”
Damn. She must be related to the idiot I briefly boarded with a while ago. She insisted that the salt blocks in my two stalls made ALL the horses drink more. Nevermind the fact that she only watered ONCE a day. Must be those damn salt blocks that the other horses didn’t even have access to making the water buckets empty.
Not being able to afford hay is ridiculous. As you said, hay is GROWN there. I live in Arizona. We pay $12-15 a BALE for hay. And $20+ if you want Timothy. I know many of those places in the midwest get hay for $3-8 a bale. If you’re going to complain about that, I ought to have a word. And don’t even get me started about the drought being the cause of starvation. It doesn’t even rain here, our horses are not a bag of bones.
The thought of a half-draft going down in a seizure reminds me of an earthquake. Yikes.
Oh yes. And if she’s selling because she can’t afford hay, WHY is she rebreeding her mare? Gah!
Has anyone here had a Haflinger/Paint cross???
Just wondering since there was a whole load of them at the sale this weekend. They were okay looking but whoever thought of that cross??? Could they be registered?
Oh and by the way the were all 1-3 yrs old and not even halter broke good. They were also all colts!!!! There was only one filly in the bunch!!!
Navy Blue said…
“Like our friends the other day, she blames the drought on her skinny horses.”
Damn. She must be related to the idiot I briefly boarded with a while ago. She insisted that the salt blocks in my two stalls made ALL the horses drink more. Nevermind the fact that she only watered ONCE a day. Must be those damn salt blocks that the other horses didn’t even have access to making the water buckets empty.
It is the human psyche that is constantly searching to find ANY reason at ALL besides the obvious ones for why things happen the way they do.
Likely that woman got an asschew from someone on her horses having no water and went looking for an excuse that was ANYTHING besides her own behavior.
It’s the reason we have people like the breeders of all those horses in the ads I posted in the ‘poor fencing’ blog. Barn blindness, making excuses for their horse’s offspring (i.e. – we can’t afford to show, don’t have the time, can’t find a trainer… but this horse could win the WORLD… whatever, keep smoking what you’re smoking, crackhead!)…
True story.
btw, finding that that woman also has a double dilute stallion.
oh boy.
>>She insisted that the salt blocks in my two stalls made ALL the horses drink more.< <
OK, wouldn’t that be a GOOD thing?
WTF?
She must be like this stupid broad I used to know who didn’t like it when they drank a lot because she’d have to refill their buckets and that was woooooork.
*gets out can of whoop ass and sprays the morons*
I have to vent about stupid people and hay – my boyfriend custom bales. LAST SPRING (as in 2006), he put up a bunch of squares (grass) for some horse people near us. Of course, HE HAS YET TO BE PAID! So, it’s not always that they can’t find the hay; sometimes it’s that they’ve already screwed over every farmer in the area, so they can’t find anyone to sell them the hay.
People like this give us GOOD “horse people” a bad name. Ever wonder why Joe Farmer seems to jack up the price when he finds out the hay is going to Ol’ Sorrel instead of a cow? Because of morons like the couple above. Who, by the way, have pretty well cornered the market on FUGLY.
I hate stupid people.
If a person wants to breed a particular breed of horse, they need to aspire to achieve (or surpass) the quality that the leading representative breeders of that breed produce. If they are unable to do that, then they shouldn’t be breeding. For example, if someone wants to breed Friesians, they should breed Friesians according to the rules and regulations of that breed, not some wannabe, half-assed, spotted crossbred Friesian sporthorses with HYPP. This would apply to any breed of horse that has a perceived standard of quality and type. If you want to be a breeder, and like Arabians, then breed quality Arabians. If you like QHs, then strive to breed good ones. How hard is that to understand? It’s not all about money. A responsible breeder should be passionate about their breed, studying everything they can about it, become proficient with pedigrees, conformation, and type, develop an eye for what quality looks like, and then reach for a goal of breeding top quality animals. Doing anything less doesn’t make a person a “breeder” – it makes them a stupid greedy moron.
I know some areas are in drought (hello I live in FL!) but you know I just drove up through NW FL, the whole freakin’ length of AL (the endless state) GA, TN and into KY and there was TALL GREEN GRASS the whole way!!
And so what if you can’t get hay RIGHT THERE. Get some people together and buy a semi load from AWAY. What a concept…
Or hey, go to the feed store. They have this neat invention called HORSE FOOD. Comes in bags and everyting. Jeesh.
The slaughter houses and KBs just LOVE these idiots. Well until a point, they don’t want their bone racks either!!
What is her website?
The foal is cute.
Her ads are amusing. In one, there is a 14 hand two year old “warmblood” (draft cross) that she speculates won’t reach horse size. The next ad is a 4 year old who looks like a decent fellow. He’s 16 hands at 4 and she says he’s small but should grow another inch or so — and that he’s still rump high but should even out. I know some breeds grow slower than others, but I’m not sure why she’s selling the 2 year old as a pony when others with the same cross are still theoretically catching up with their rumps at four.
I also feel bad for him that she’s lunging with the stirrups flapping against his sides…
That said, those are some of the most detailed ads I’ve ever read. She lists everything from the disciplines for which the horse is suited, to his suitability for every member of the family, to his competitive ranking at Scrabble.
An odd combination of responsible and irresponsible. She’s selling the TB mares open, which means she didn’t just breed them despite the drought.She has gelded the colts that weren’t stallion quality. Now just fix those fences and up the rations, and stop breeding horses with the potential for HYPP…sigh…
Chaotic- I am in the East Valley and get a good deal on hay- Alfalfa for $9. We buy from the grower and in bulk, which helps. I know one place used to cut a buck or two off-you loaded your own truck- but it was worth it when every dollar counts.
We are also an irrigated neighborhood, but they are no longer issuing irrigation rights in Arizona. If you already have it, great but the new homes will not have irrigated property.
The irrigation association though can be a royal pain to deal with, depending on who is running the one you belong to.
The last horse pictured probably was thin to begin with, but breeding her before getting weight on her is just outright poor management be it horses, dogs or lizards. And the foal looks like a draft cross so I’ll bet it is worth a lot of money.
There is hay to be found and paying for it should not be an issue since it doesn’t exactly jump $5 a bale overnight. It gradually goes up, or so it has been the trend.
Farmers Wife- How is your old guy doing? Is he still hanging in there waiting for your daughter?
“Has anyone here had a Haflinger/Paint cross???
Just wondering since there was a whole load of them at the sale this weekend. They were okay looking but whoever thought of that cross??? Could they be registered?”
Not in any reputable registry besides pinto (and even then, uh…yeah) that I know of.
The only reason they are being bred…. everyone wants spots.
I seem to recall someone forwarded me the Half Haflinger registry and it was just your typical ‘let’s make up a registry’ stuff.
At this point I figure there is a half everything registry.
spinningpeppy said…
Has anyone here had a Haflinger/Paint cross???
Just wondering since there was a whole load of them at the sale this weekend. They were okay looking but whoever thought of that cross??? Could they be registered?
Oh and by the way the were all 1-3 yrs old and not even halter broke good. They were also all colts!!!! There was only one filly in the bunch!!!
I haven’t heard of a halflinger/paint cross but I my entertainer friends have a pair of halflinger/quarter crosses, both geldings, that they use as a driving team to pull their chariots. They call them quarterlingers. They bought them and the other chariot team, Morgans and also geldings at auction.
Both teams are also trained to ride and they are really nice horses. BTW they don’t breed they buy horses and train them for what they need.
I think I have posted this link before but for anyone who didn’t see it.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=T_alSEsnhcc
fuglyhorseoftheday said…
Who knew they needed to get rained on to gain weight…..hahahaha. TFF. I am rotflmao over that one……;)
I have a similar fence to the rope fence. It is a temporary fence used to extend some grass. In my case, I am using electric rope that is not live. But, I don’t put my horses out in this bit of yard unless they have been thoroughly trained to the whole concept that little white ropes are NOT TO BE TOUCHED UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, they bite HARD.
They are also inside a perimeter fence, so if they did go through the fence, they won’t be able to go far. As to the busted up fence, that is just bad! Hotwire that puppy, too.
Fugly: the PHR actually is not a “made-up bullshit registry”. It is a performance tracking registry ONLY, it is not a breed registry, and it doesn’t claim to be. It is for tracking performance horses, and is tied into the USEF (United States Equestrian Federation, which oversees nearly all competitive equestrian sports in the US.) These greedy morons are just using it out of context to try to make their crappy QH cross foal sound valuable.
The AWS is not a made-up bullshit registry, either, really, but greedy uneducated backyard breeders like this don’t help its image any. It is true that the foal will be eligible for registry with the AWS, but the keyword is ELIGIBLE. Not GUARANTEED! And only into a the lowest book based on the breeding, if it is accepted at all! What she neglects to mention is it only MIGHT be accepted AFTER it passes an inspection, which takes time and money, and it’s not going to be accepted into any of the better AWS books, based on parentage alone.
Saying a horse is “eligible for registration with AWS” is a lazy breeders cop-out, and registration isn’t guaranteed. They should get off their lazy butts and actually present the horse at inspection themselves, and find out if it in fact IS good enough to be registered. They are all eligible for presentation at inspection, but they’re not all eligible for registration! These breeders probably don’t even know that… They just think “eligible for registration with ____” sounds better than “crappy QH/draft cross”. If they actually attended an inspection, they might also learn a thing or two about breeding and about warmbloods, and they might learn that what they are breeding is NOT what the AWS has in mind.
What sane reasonable person would choose a Quarter Horse to try to breed sporthorses? The idea of a sporthorse is to cross two sporthorse types. Sporthorse type + sporthorse type = sporthorse. Not garbage + random horse = sporthorse. A Quarter Horse is almost going to guarantee you’ve left the sporthorse out of half of your breeding equation, even if you crossed her with the nicest sporthorse on the planet, so why bother?
Warmbloods are sporthorses. Some other crosses which would create sporthorses might include warmbloods, TBs, Friesians, and Connemaras, as these are all capable of creating a sporthorse type horse, which is the idea behind SPORThorse, after all. Sporthorse was never meant to be the catch-all generic term used to describe any and all irresponsibly bred backyard horses…… grrr, greedy morons.
The chestnut foal is sort of cute, it might make a nice foxhunter or amateur’s lower level all-arounder being a Clyde/TB.
“spinningpeppy said… Has anyone here had a Haflinger/Paint cross???”
From what I’ve seen, Haflingers are kind of strict (for lack of a better word) on what they register. They have inspections and whatnot, too.
Crossing anything with a Haflinger seems stupid, in my opinion. Like crossing a Friesian with something else, knowing darn well that it isn’t going to be registered with the Friesian registry. Stupid.
Haflinger Paint crosses would be like.. A painted little horse. Nothing special. I wouldn’t even buy a regular Haflinger that isn’t registered.
Oh,
They brought from $75 to $225.
Very sad. A known killer buyer bought them. They were very fat and stocky so I am sure they are headed to the slaughter house. I wish I had the room I would have bought one and gelded it just to see if it would make a good riding horse.
My pet peeve! Skinny broodmares! I hate it when people blame a nursing foal on a mare’s lack of condition! Feed more and better feed and you shouldn’t ever see more than a little rib no matter what that mare has nursing!
kay said: “my entertainer friends have a pair of halflinger/quarter crosses, both geldings, that they use as a driving team to pull their chariots. They call them quarterlingers.”
From a Haflinger FAQ:
Q: If this is a Haflinger, then what is a Quarterlinger?
A: The result when your Haflinger stallion gets in with the neighbor’s Quarter Horse mares.
I have a neighbor with 2-mares with foals on their side. I am afraid I am going to have to do something. They are getting skinnier by the day. I have said stuff to her several times and so has my hubby (which is her farrier)but she swears she is feeding them. But she doesn’t give any hay. Here in the Florida there is this idea that we have great grass so why feed or hay??? IF you can see ribs and hip bones the grass ain’t doing it!!!!
Anyway guess why she bred them???
So she can get her greenbelt and save on her taxes. She has to have 4 registered mares on the property and they will come out and check to see if they are producing!!!!!
Now ain’t that great,the goverment is helping the BYB!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We had a couple of draft horses at the barn where I grew up (one was a grade belgian, and the other a percheronX, both geldings). Mr Belgian was sweet as pie but mainly excelled at scaring the heck out of newbies with his hugeness, eating a lot, and breaking girths. Mr PercheronX was actually used for jousting in ren fairs, and scaring the other horses by resembling a speedy narwal whale while his rider ran him around with a “giant stick”.
forthefuture: Actually warmbloods, which dominate nearly all sporthorse disciplines, would never have developed without crossbreeding. If people wisely choose what they are breeding, and for a clear reason (creating a sport type horse for example) then crossbreeding can be very successful.
Some breeds, like draft horses and Friesians (since you mentioned them), are actually BETTER suited as riding and sporthorses when they are crossed. A draft horse isn’t really ideal for a riding horse, but a draft CROSS can be a great amateur’s lower level all-around horse, or a nice foxhunter, or a nice quiet big trail horse, etc. A Friesian isn’t really ideal for a riding horse either (although some are being bred now with more emphasis on riding), but I’ve seen some Friesian CROSSES which were as nice as well bred warmbloods and which were doing very well competitively in dressage. So with those two examples, crossbreeding has a reason.
But that certainly doesn’t mean any and all crossbreeding is going to work. It takes a lot of knowledge on the breeder’s part (maybe MORE than purebred breeding, because you’ve got to have a really good eye and knowledge for what works.) It’s not just a matter of throwing together any two random crappy horses and hoping for a miracle!
i’m not suprised if those horses escape regularly from that lil dinky rope fence..
They have alfalfa cubes and pellet.
Using the drought as an excuse is straight up laaaaaaame.
Someone call the dept of ag.
“My pet peeve! Skinny broodmares! I hate it when people blame a nursing foal on a mare’s lack of condition! Feed more and better feed and you shouldn’t ever see more than a little rib no matter what that mare has nursing!”
True, but some mares DO struggle. We had a broodmare that was quite ribby towards the end of nursing on her last foal. She had weight, but it was sagging, thus exposing ribs. She was NOT bred back though……….. at least we had that much sense. =)
spinningpeppy, people are getting a tax break for breeding horses?? Is this something special in Florida perhaps? I’ve never heard of such a thing. It’s not like there is such a shortage of horses that we need to encourage people to breed MORE of them.
What is it with the spots? I don’t see the big deal in a horse having spots. A good horse is a good horse.
Grade horses, with the time and proper work, (of course) can turn out to be great horses, but they are usually passed around by people who just want to ride- not show or breed. Which is great, for the horses, but don’t breed them to excess. It amazes us how many people breed just to breed. Sad thing is, it’s not just horses…
To these breeders who think that slapping a few letters associated with a ‘registry’ into the add and expecting big dollars to come rolling in, you have a long wait ahead of you.
There are more than enough well bred -registered- and sometimes well trained horses going through the auctions every day accross the country selling for pennies on the dollar of what they are worth, because the market is flooded with such crap(!) thanks to back yard breeders like yourself.
Better stockpile your choice of high and all the munchies to go with it while you wait. And meanwhile, fix the fence and feed the horses. They didn’t choose to be born into your shitpile heap of a yard you refer to as a farm. They also didn’t ask to stand out in the field with no shelter or food and drink water to gross to even be called pond scum.
Fugly- do you think we can put together a form letter that all of us can access to send to these BYB advertising these horses? I think it would do a great service to some of these people to get an inbox flooded with emails screaming Stop It! Stop It! Stop It! If nothing else we could all feel better knowing we did something to try to stop the cycle.
*sigh*, often imitated…
DONZI – I understand that, and I also understand there are exceptions to every rule. I’ve seen some absolutely beautiful QH x Arabian crosses, for example, but the key word here is RESPONSIBLE. You and I both know that not all people cross breeding are responsible breeders. They’re usually ones who can’t afford (or are too cheap to buy) the expensive purebred breeding stock to begin with, so they will use cheap substitutes and call them warmbloods.
Yes Florida does give a tax break for breeding horses. Scary isn’t it?? They have to be registered and you have to prove that they produce!! You have to have a minimum of 10 acres. They send inspectors to your property to check papers and if the mares are producing. Just what we need more horses in Florida, our market has about hit bottom here. It is really scary for those of us that make a living with horses.
“”" Who knew that horses needed to be rained on to be proper weight? “”"
OHHHH Fugly – I so wanna come to the get together with Oxygen on. Cause with that kinda wit I will surely die laughing from not being able to breathe.
But it really is too sad for words what these people do.
We need those STOP IT! STOP IT! STOP IT! shirts, buttons and mugs and bumper stickers!!!
…And the kill buyer sits in the stand as the auctioneer calls out his number….
I keep seeing all these very strange creatures put forward as “sporthorses”
For the record, this:-
http://www.horses-sales.com/coloured_warmbloods_for_sale.shtml
is a Sport Horse.
There are some nice animals on this site- you do NOT cross some animal with some other animal, create a mongrel and describe it using a term already in use.
I think it might be a good idea if the Sport Horse Society were to Trademark the name- at least that way it could not be used to describe what I can only call some VERY strange animals.
The idea of crossing a Clyde or a Shire with ANYTHING in order to get performance horses, in the first generation, is silly- there have been a few, really good, Showjumpers form this cross, and I do believe there is a top Dressage horse who is 1/4 Clyde- but you do not do it willy nilly and think the result will be a performance horse.
That is just plain stupid.
What am I saying??? OF COURSE it is stupid.
here are some funnies to lighten the mood in here…lol.
Top 10 Exercises for the Equestrian
10. Drop a heavy steel object on your foot. Don’t pick
it up right away. Shout, “Get off, Get off, GET OFF!”
9.Leap out of a moving vehicle & practice “relaxing in
the fall.” Roll lithely into a ball and spring to your
feet.
8. Learn to grab your checkbook out of your purse and
write out a $200 check without even looking down.
7.Jog long distances carrying a halter and a carrot.
Go ahead and tell the neighbors what you are doing -
they might as well know now.
6. Affix a pair of reins to a moving freight train and
practice pulling it to a halt. Smile as if you are
having fun!
5. Hone your fibbing skills “See, hon, moving hay
bales is FUN!” & “No, really, I’m glad your lucky
performance and multimillion dollar horse won the blue
ribbon. I am just thankful that my hard work and
actual ability won me second place.”
4.Practice dialing your chiropractor’s number with
both arms paralyzed to the shoulder and one foot
anchoring the lead rope of a frisky horse.
3. Borrow the US Army slogan: Be All That You Can Be -
bitten, thrown, kicked, slimed, trampled, etc.
2. Lie face down in a puddle of mud in your most
expensive riding clothes and repeat to yourself, “This
is a learning experience, this is a learning
experience, this is…”
1. The number 1 exercise to become a better equestrian
- marry money!!
reinventing1 said…
From a Haflinger FAQ:
Q: If this is a Haflinger, then what is a Quarterlinger?
A: The result when your Haflinger stallion gets in with the neighbor’s Quarter Horse mares.
Here is a quarterlinger under saddle. LOL
http://s84.photobucket.com/albums/k38/KayFellows/?action=view¤t=P8318264.jpg
WOW, Kay!
The look on that girl’s face in the picture says it all:
“MAN, this is going to be PAINFUL when this chunky, coarse SOB starts to trot! OWWWW my butt!”
And what kind of a neck IS that? Is that what you mean by “nest”?
Well I will admit the girls, they are interns at the facility, do try to get the Morgans as their riding horses. But this horse Caesar and his teammate Spartacus, are a tough fast driving team for the chariot races. At least the are gelded and are trained for more than being pasture ornaments.
Check out the link I posted earlier to see them in chariot action.
Kay:
Here’s another “quarterlinger”
http://munshifamily.blogspot.com/2006_07_01_archive.html
Personally, I think yours and this one both look like pleasant fellows. I would guess that makes a nice little riding and driving cross. As was said before, I don’t know why you would go out of your way to breed that on purpose when the Haflinger registry is so strict, but at least nobody is trying to pass them off as “warmbloods” or “sporthorses”.
Donzi-
My dear AWS will give you papers on anything if you pay them the money. For $200 (in 2004) you can get your membership, registration and a DNA kit from them, and your initial inspection is free. You will get a registration certificate in the mail whether or NOT your horse ‘passes’ the inspection. (They are registered, but not approved.)
I have a pony stallion and his AWS certificate of registration to prove it. He is of unknown parentage. He was not approved, by the founder herself, but there were many debateable things she said about several of the horses inspected that day.
It was explained to me later by Ms. Brooks, that he can go to any show he is eligable for- openshows, driving, etc. and still get his approval though his performance record. In other words any sanctioned sporthorse, sportpony or driving show, he does well and he can still be considered *approved*.
I show him and he does well and I don’t give a rats ass about the AWS’s approval or their opinion.
I love him for his disposition and character, not his color or a paid for opinion and a piece of paper. He draws attention at the shows and has plenty of people watching from the rail. He Always brings home a ribbon from each class he is entered in. Each ribbon is admittedly a paid for opinion, but it is one I don’t mind paying for.
Yes he is a stallion. He did sire 2 fillies, and they were both planned, and both of good quality, conformation etc., but so was the mare. Niether of them are being bred anymore, in my effort to not produce a beautiful (spotted) pony who will be quickly outgrown and passed from family to family, or used in a dreadful pony ring or petting zoo.
That dilute mare has feet that are far too small her body size. No wonder they bruise!
The mare needs boots to be ridden out, and comes with a new pair of Old Macs.
Sounds like shoes and pads may help and a bottle of Tuff Stuff. Maybe she also comes with a barefoot home only contract? If a horse needs shoes, they need shoes. Bottom line.
If they can go it without, hooray for them. if not, put shoes on them. Silly Me- that costs money, but then so do Old Macs.
Donzi- I think the PHR this person was refering to was probably the perlino horse registry. Maybe an oversight by many of us, since they just said PHR and didn’t specify.
Performance horse can be applauded, perlino- I don’t know about. Sounds like they accept your horse based on color alone. There are plenty of registries to choose from that do that.
The ICHR (International Champagne Horse Registry) does but they must also display a few other genetic traits to pass as a champagne. There are some trainwrecks to be seen on their website as well.
To the credit of the ICHR- there is a note at the bottom of the Stallion Services page stating:
” *****A word to the wise: an ethical or wise horse breeder will never breed just for color. Before you pair two horses, ask yourself if you’d want a foal from those two if it came out chestnut. Ask yourself if it would still sell at decent price to a good home. Don’t breed horses that will add to the thousands, if not millions, that are unwanted and abused. Thank you. ***** “
KUDOS to the ICHR for that, but they could have placed it at the TOP of the page and maybe in either the same size or larger font, so everyone would be sure to see it. A few other color breed registries could benifit from following their lead.
I think if they also required annual conformational photo’s and accepted the horses as approved for breeding once they are past a certain age, etc. and would not register foals from parents who are not approved, or underaged, they may help increase the value and usefulness of the animals that are produced each year- color genetics or not. This is what many of the reputable Warmblood registries do. It seems to be working for them.
>>>>>>>>>>>spinningpeppy, people are getting a tax break for breeding horses?? Is this something special in Florida perhaps? I’ve never heard of such a thing. It’s not like there is such a shortage of horses that we need to encourage people to breed MORE of them.< <<<<<<<<<<<<
SHHHHHHHHHHHHH…tell no one…luckily land is so expensive here, that BYBs need to be squatting to be breeding their fake breeds…white trash all the way…
CutNJump – my mare used to have shoes. Well, she would get shod, lose a shoe within a week, another within 2 weeks, and so forth. Then she started having hoof abcesses. I was told she would need shoes (and pads) for life.
When I moved her to her current home, the owners had a Paso Fino that began to founder badly. Again, pads and shoes needed for life. Then the owners started doing research, and came across Jaime Jackson’s website.
Both mares have been barefoot for 4 years. My mare’s hooves have never been healthier (no chips or anything, and she can be ridden on dirt/rock roads without any problems) and the Paso mare has yet to founder again, and now that her feet aren’t completely upright and misshapen (as the Paso people like them to be) she can actually move in a comfortable manner.
So, in short, not every horse can go barefoot, but if you do it right, being barefoot could be the best option for most horses.
the “skinny because she’s nursing” line is such a load of crap. do you know where you will NEVER see rail thin broodmares? Three Chimneys, Hill Top Farms, The Oaks, Al-Marah Arabians, the Weiscamp Ranch, Calumet or any other major breeding farm. this country invests MILLIONS of dollars years yearly into Equine Nutrition, Parasite Control, Dentistry and Equine Reproduction research. we have mountians of reseach from the top experts in the world regarding keeping horses healthy.
those farms with fat and healthy nursing mares have taken advantage of all this readily avalible reseach and information. and what has all this research proven? horses loose weight do to the following things:
1. lack of dental care or malformation of the mouth/teeth.
2) parasite infestation.
3) poor nutrition
4) illness/disease.
if a mare is nursing a losing weight she is suffering from one, several or all of the above conditions. if a horse is working/competing/training and is losing weight your horse is suffering from one, several or all of the above conditons.
“skinny because she’s nursing” is in no way a diagnosis for why a mare is thin. no vet would diagnosis a mare as having “lactating/nursing parasite with symptoms including underweight body condition”. ive seen far to many rail thin mares in my life and i always got the same freakin EXCUSE from the owner. “i cant afford to have her teeth floated”, “i cant afford to worm her”, ” i cant afford to buy better feed”, “i cant afford to have the vet do a blood panel and exam her”…
feeding the horse does no good if she cant chew her food, does no good if her worms eat everything she eats, does no good if she has ulcers so bad she wont eat at all, does no good if what shes eating is crap. if these people cant “afford” to provide BASIC and ROUTINE yearly care they should not own the freakin horse and sure as hell should not breed it!
IF YOU CANT FEED IT DONT BREED IT!
Dayle-
I think it is great -if the horses hooves can handle it- to let them go barefoot.
I have a few TB mares (not exactly known for good feet!) who are barefoot and doing ok. I wouldn’t ride them out into the rocks without putting shoes on them though. They would certainly need it.
I also have an Arab filly (also barefoot) who went through abcess hell last year. She had three in one front hoof and two in the other one. The hoof with three- the largest was the size of my thumb when it finally opened up. I was surprised she didn’t loose the whole hoof. It was that bad.
Again if they can go barefoot and you use your head, and manage their feet well, by all means let them.
We actually had a serious hay shortage here recently. What did we do? Drove to every option within a two hour radius we could find and bought their hay for whatever price they had marked and actively made sure we knew when feed stores were getting more hay in so we would never be without. It was a little inconvenient for us…but you know, sometimes when a living thing is dependent on you you will be inconvenienced. You should not have horses if you will let them starve because its inconvenient to do otherwise.
“My dear AWS will give you papers on anything if you pay them the money.”
Yes, they will give you a PENDING registration showing the pedigree information and indicating that you’ve paid the initial registration fees. This IS NOT the same as being registered. They also have a category for NOMINATED horses, which issues nomination papers for TBs, Arabs, and drafts. This also IS NOT the same as being registered. If you do not either attend an inspection or meet one of the performance requirements, you’re horse IS NOT REGISTERED WITH THE AWS.
And all of that is just for the MAIN book. It all gets stricter for the ELITE BOOK and for BREEDING APPROVAL.
Cutnjump, the fact that you presented your pony at an inspection and he was NOT accepted seems to prove they are NOT out to accept “just anything”, doesn’t it? One more misconception shot in the ass. I have to grin that you are trying to be snarky at ME, when your own post proves the point as well as any that AWS is not just accepting “everything” so long as the fees are paid. And yes, you could still get him registered on performance, but it doesn’t sound like you did that either (perhaps you weren’t able to?) So what you have “my dear” is a pony with a PENDING registration proving you paid your fees, who didn’t pass his inspection and which probably shouldn’t have been kept as a stallion and which you decided to breed anyhow………… who are you to judge anyone, all things considered?
P.S. You claim you don’t care what the AWS thinks of your horse. Maybe that’s because they didn’t accept him. Go figure. You’d probably be singing a different tune if they’d accepted him. And before you tell yourself it’s so “easy” to get a stallion approved, you might want to go refresh your memory by visiting the AWS website. I’d think you of all people would NOT want to be perpetuating the falsehood that the AWS approves “everything”, because that really doesn’t say much for your horse, if the registry which approves “everything” wouldn’t accept yours.
reinventing1 said…
Kay:
Here’s another “quarterlinger”
http://munshifamily.blogspot.com/2006_07_01_archive.html
Personally, I think yours and this one both look like pleasant fellows. I would guess that makes a nice little riding and driving cross. As was said before, I don’t know why you would go out of your way to breed that on purpose when the Haflinger registry is so strict, but at least nobody is trying to pass them off as “warmbloods” or “sporthorses”.
Well as I said the owners of this team did not breed them, they bought them at auction and for a specific purpose. To use in their chariot act. The horse in the picture is also used in another act where he pulls a girl on water skis around the arena in what they call dirt skiing. They do a beach party act and it is a lot of fun to watch.
nuzzlewithamuzzle said…
here are some funnies to lighten the mood in here…lol.
1. The number 1 exercise to become a better equestrian
– marry money!!
This is where the phrase
“whomever said they made a small fortune in horses, started with a large one!”
crazyhorse said…
>>>>>>>>>>>spinningpeppy, people are getting a tax break for breeding horses?? Is this something special in Florida perhaps? I’ve never heard of such a thing. It’s not like there is such a shortage of horses that we need to encourage people to breed MORE of them.< <<<<<<<<<<<<
SHHHHHHHHHHHHH…tell no one…luckily land is so expensive here, that BYBs need to be squatting to be breeding their fake breeds…white trash all the way…
The tax break is not just for Florida residents. It is given by the IRS, but you have to have a certain number of horses in “production” or so many boarders to qualify.
Here is a link to the second quarterlinger on the chariot team. They are both about the same in build.
http://s84.photobucket.com/albums/k38/KayFellows/?action=view¤t=StephSpartacus.jpg
Dayle said…
the Paso mare has yet to founder again, and now that her feet aren’t completely upright and misshapen (as the Paso people like them to be) she can actually move in a comfortable manner.
I have been in Pasos since 1976 when my sister first got hers. Many Pasos’ feet are UNDERSLUNG with long toes that make it difficult to gait properly. They NEED to be more upright, but should match the angle of their shoulder to some degree. All of our Pasos and our clients are trimmed with natural balance in mind. NONE of my Pasos wear shoes. I have no idea where you got your information from.
My big sis, who is one of the top dressage trainers in the Midwest is sort of guilty of the AWS thing. Her first horse was a draft X, blind in one eye and navicular. She took this mare to the top of the tri-state dressage world in Grand Prix round robin, then she bred the mare. She has kept two of the foals, and sold the others to her riding clients. All the foals live on her farm, but the mare put at least 8 on the ground. She did pick good stallions for the mare though.
Photos of her other horses:
http://tinyurl.com/33c9de
and sales ads:
http://tinyurl.com/3843t7
Apparently she’s figured out a way of crossing a clydesdale and QH to produce a “warmblood cob.”
SHAYNA
I just forwarded that little GEM to some cob breeders I know, wish I could be there when they spit their morning coffee all over the screen and keyboard!
I live in So. Cal where pasture is absolutely non-existent, so I have no choice but to feed hay year round and it’s very expensive – a 100lb bale of alfalfa is going for between $12.50 and $16.00, mix hay (what I feed alfalfa/orchard) goes for $19, while timothy is a whopping $22 a bale! And I’m feeding a 3 y/0 draft cross (hardly fugly but still a gelding!) and a yearling paint filly.
Strangely enough while our hay is some of the most expensive in the country, you can go to any stable for 20 miles around and there are far more overweight horses than underweight ones. Though that probably has something to do with the fact that a good 90% of those overweight horses are fed like Triple Crown prospects, kept in 12′x24′ pipe stalls and ridden only on Saturdays by their weekend warrior owners – but don’t get me started on that
“MAN, this is going to be PAINFUL when this chunky, coarse SOB starts to trot! OWWWW my butt!”
learn to ride. trotting does not hurt unless you cant ride well. actually it can, but only when bareback on a shark – sorry tb…
Forthefutureofthebreed:
You have some lovely Paints, but what I don’t understand why
I will say, that my grey mare at 12yrs of age will never reproduce (she’s spayed), but she’s never shown a tendency for the “green gene”.;-)
anyone (and I’m not suggesting you do/have) would breed their Paint (or Pinto) to a grey horse???? You stand a 50/50 chance (unless it’s homozygous) of getting a grey, so eventually it won’t be a spotted horse! Yeah, I don’t get it! Personally, I think any “color” registry should ban registering grey offspring. It kind of defeats the purpose. I do have a grey horse, so it’s not like I’m against greys as a whole, just when it comes to color breeds!
You stand a 50/50 chance (unless it’s homozygous)
Note: I was referring to the grey parent being homozygous, which you would then have a 100% chance (duh) of the offspring being grey….
My mare is nursing a foal that is almost two months old and to be honest, she’s currently over weight and on the verge of being put on some type of diet (I’m thinking the grazing muzzle will be coming back out) after I speak with my vet. There’s no need for a mare to lose that much weight. Try probiotics, fat cat, or maybe just feed them?