Yo quiero hairy hammerheaded Spanish horses, por favor!
Aug 20 2007
As any girl who has ever tried to buy a purse knows, country of origin matters! You just can’t get Italian leather for the same price you can get that tanned roadkill stuff they sell at Ross Dress for Less. Therefore, it’s not surprising people have tried to apply the same elitism of origin to horses. What a shame the resulting product does not parallel the quality of, say, a Prada loafer. No, these “Baroque” horses simply remind me of the fake Vuitton bags you can get on Canal Street – the sales pitch sounds great, but the look just ain’t the same.
This lady brags that she breeds “Family Sporthorses of Color!” She has another 31 Flavors of Horse Breeding. “My main breeds are the Spanish horses (sulphur mustangs, aztecas, andalusians, lusitanos, paso finos) with some slightly more baroque blood (friesian, shire, and gypsey) and the dash of asian blood, my first love, the Arabian horse.” If those are your MAIN breeds, are there others too? Hell, why not just throw a couple of German Riding Ponies in there too and maybe a few Akhal Tekes?
She goes on to brag about her three stallions:
1. A 14 hand “Zebra dun sulphur.” She argues that these mustangs are the “poor man’s Andalusian” and states that his foals can be registered as Aztecas. No mention of any halter or performance record, or of being broke to ride.
2. A solid colored buckskin APHA stud with a crappy shoulder. Again, no mention of any halter or performance record, or of being broke to ride.
3. An unapproved Friesian stallion. They are going to try to get him approved, but cheerfully add “if he doesn’t make it we will be offering him to the public for cross breeding.” Oh yay. But hey, unlike the other two, he has mad skillz – he is a “cookie eating machine.”
And, much like our last featured “warmblood breeder,” you can buy foals in utero. While those foals were insanely overpriced, these are so cheap you have to wonder what would be the point in breeding them to begin with? (Spelling is, of course, hers)
IN UTERO FOALS FOR SALE
I will be breeding X to Y this year for a grulla half Arab endurance prospect extrodinnaire. In utero price will be $1,000 put down your deposit of $300 to hold this foal. Price will go up when the foal hits the ground.
I will also be breeding A to B this year. This will be a fabulous kids horse and I can’t even guesse at the color. In utero price will be $800 put down your deposit of $250 to hold this foal. Price will go up when the foal hits the ground.
If your foals are only worth $800 and you know that before they even hit the light of day… STOP BREEDING. STOP IT! STOP IT! STOP IT! It’s one thing if your average weanling sells for $2500+ and every once in a while you get one that is just not going to be anything more than “pet quality” as the dog breeders say, and you have to sell that for $800 – that is just being realistic. But these people are DELIBERATELY breeding foals they KNOW will be this low in value. Why? $800 doesn’t pay to care for the mare for a year.
<---- I am not a baby mule, I just play one on the Internet.
This lady also breeds dogs (who wasn’t surprised, raise your hands!)
“The two breeds I will be breeding on rare occasion, are the American bulldog and the bandog. The American bulldog is a breed whose time I believe has come. They have the size of a mastiff and a strong fight drive, so you need to be a pretty dog savvy person to deal with one, unless you have lots of money and a really good trainer.” Oh yeah, honey. Because THAT is a kind of dog the world needs MORE of. We don’t kill ENOUGH of those in the shelters every day. We need MORE. Now, in case you were wondering WTF a bandog is “The bandog was originally a creation of Dr. Swinford and was pit bull and anything big, mostly Neapolitan mastiffs. Dr. Swinford wanted to produce the kind of dog that would send any would be intruder or attacker packing, and he mostly succeded. “ Again, just awesome. Dogs the size of ponies that take extremely experienced handlers or they will rip your face off. Yes, the world needs more! Breed, breed, breed! Maybe you can sell some to Michael Vick, I’m pretty sure his football career is over.
Ah, but we’re not done…they also have a “sister site,” yet another breeder of “Baroque” horses. Look, here’s their stallion! You can BUY him for $2000 or breed to him for $350. Man, look at that hammerhead! He looks like he could be a decent mover, but honestly, I just can’t get past the unbelievable level of fug. I don’t care if he’s a “silver grulla.” He looks like a mule, and not a quality mule at that.
Again, people, if it’s worth $2000, that right there should tell you it is not stallion quality. And the only way you are getting $2000 for this critter is if you break it out and do a hell of a good job with that.
They are also proud of their “old baroque style welsh pony mare.” Um, Welsh breeders? Do you see any Welsh here? I guess it is possible she is half Welsh but any Welsh qualities have been smothered by a huge influx of old foundation QH. This mare is as long as an east-west drive through Texas, but they claim “She is our perfect sport pony mother.” Um, what sport does that back length work out for? Could you name that sport, please?
But hey, you can buy her, and I quote, “In Eutro Foal” – for $800 if it’s a colt and $1000 if it’s a filly.
Everybody wants to know how we make this kind of breeding stop, since we live in a country where we are all free to be irresponsible. Well, for one thing, who sold her that Friesian? It should have been gelded BEFORE it left the property. If you breed quality horses, geld your culls, and we won’t have so much of this to have to look at. Gelding surgery is cheap. Do your part for the future of the breed and snip those boys before they are out of your control. Remember, your low end colt breeding everything with a uterus does NOT make your breeding program look good.
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FYI American Bulldogs aren’t child eating monsters….neither are Pitts..but thats a different story for a different day.
That said AmBulls are BIG dogs and have their share of health issues when poorly bred. In addition bad breeding/handling can do horrid things for them, just like other dogs. I’m horrified someone like this breeder is breeding and selling them.
*sigh*
I have friends with great Pits – but you know, they know what they are doing and have paid for training. Those homes are unfortunately rare.
I don’t think Pits or Bulldogs or Mastiffs are inherently evil BUT I do think it’s a hell of a lot easier to find a good home for a Golden Retriever, and that – just like with horses – a lot of people breed dogs that do not know how to appropriately train them, and therefore pretty much doom the animal’s future prospects.
Doesn’t matter if its a dog, horse or whatever, don’t breed an animal that there are already too many of. These type of dog are put down too often because people who can’t handle them or just “don’t have time to train them” dump them at the local shelter or auction. I rescue dogs and soem of them just break your heart because you can’t help all of them.
You’re right pitts and bulldogs are another fight, however I agree w/ FHOTD on this one, that’s the last of breeds or crosses that there need be more of. What a waste.
As for the horses, OMGosh that stallion for the sister site, is simlpy aweful, big head bad neck… UGH! I don’t know anyone who would pay $2000 for that level of fugly w/ no training.
Amazing.
I have never understood how anyone could believe a stallion is worth remaining a stallion when his price is $2,000 or less. The same goes with those who stand their poor quality stallions for a $200 stud fee. They must not think much of their stallions, do they? I’ve seen $10,000 and up stallions that should be gelded. What makes them think a $2,000 horse is a top quality stallion?
Here is a quote from their website:
“You couldn’t get more andalusian looking without actually being one”
That is the most goddamn asinine thing I have read in a LONG time!
ok ,,,OMG! that so called “old baroque style welsh pony mare” , there is NO such thing in our breed for GAWD SAKES! Also , that thing is not what I call a nice Welshie, I judge Welsh and I am also a showman of the breed and I have many friends in the UK who would laugh at that statement, maybe , who knows, but I sure do LOL! Although it isn’t a horrible looking palomino pony , please give me a break and don’t use that term ” baroque “. They are not furniture!
“In Eutro Foal – for $800 if it’s a colt and $1000 if it’s a filly.”
Why is the filly priced higher? Because you can breed her?????????
Those horses are just shudder FUGLY and their human needs to really have a reality check, possibly a fugly horse dispersal to the can.
I actually find irresponsible dog breeding to be MORE abhorrent than the horse breeding, b/c of what happens to “those” kind of dogs in the wrong hands. As bad as going to a shelter is for that Golden or Beagle, the dogfighting is so much worse
I am sure the kill buyers are thrilled with the baroque trend. It certainly provides them with horses who like to stand around and eat. What a treat for slaughter! With us only killing 5 million dogs and cats every year, why shouldn’t we just keep on breeding? You know, we mostly seem like like minded people, we need to band together and start a “stop the breeding” movement in this capitolist pig country of ours. I am absolutely shocked that the HSUS and ASPCA have not said barely a peep besides spay and neuter your dogs and cats. And even when they say it, they whisper!
That “stallion” (and I use the term LOOSELY) reminds me of the “starved horse look”
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As for the Welsh:
The Welsh breed is getting RUINED right along with all the other breeds, “CHANGING THE WELSH ONE PONY AT A TIME” is one of my FAVORITE QUOTES from a “Welsh Breeder” WTF? Find a different breed if you dont find what you like.
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Another HINT, Just because you paid LARGE COIN for your imported horse/pony, DOES NOT MEAN it is quality enough to breed, There are breeders overseas who only see DOLLAR signs, when an American rings them up about buying some of their stock. Next time you have the chance, REALLY LOOK at the imported Horse or Pony the “*” before its name does not automatically make it an outstanding specimen of its breed.
And no I dont feel ALL breeders overseas fall into this category
“In Eutro Foal – for $800 if it’s a colt and $1000 if it’s a filly.”
Yep that one got me too. Generally “In Eutro” lol means you take what you get and you are both willing to make the deal at the given price no matter what it ends up as. But I can’t see it being because she have foals because the colt isn’t going to be born a gelding. If one can find enough mare owners you can get more foals out of a colt then a mare could give you.
Do we have a link to this site? I tried searching the quotes(which normally works) but didn’t find anything.
FYI the Oxford English Dictionary entry for Baroque:
GROTESQUE!!!
Whimsical.
Of exuberant, extravagant style in 17th-18th Carts.
Maybe they call them Baroque Ponies because they have Queen Anne legs????[small snigger]
So is “Baroque” the new fashion buzz word in the horse world? If you want a Lusitano or an Andalusian, save up and buy one!
“CHANGING THE WELSH ONE PONY AT A TIME” I know this unscrupluous breeder , or should I say , Puppy mill breeder. I find it just dispicable that a Welsh Pony breeder would want to change our breed , it just discusts me in the highest degree. So typical of a money hungry breeder, who by the way has, WAY to many Welsh on her place, 25 stallions to say the least and over 50 mares , to say this. But it does not suprise me in the least. When you buy her shit you just promote her to breed more. She has been importing some ponies just to to make moneyt and she can’t even pay for them in full till she breeds more . I can go on about her but that would be another long story. She is discusting.
http://www.freewebs.com/baroque-n-feathers/
Since when are american bull dogs the size of mastiffs? They are a small, compact 60 to 70 pound dog that comes in a 40 to 50 pound dog-sized package. Further more any dog that can’t bare it’s own young needs to be seriously reconsidered as breeding material.
And pitbulls are not human aggressive, neither as mastiffs. If you have one that’s human aggressive you’ve done something very-very-very wrong. Pittbulls are more likely to invite someone into the home, lick them to death and show them where you keep the silver.
And in all my years of working in, around and with dogs…I’ve never once met a bulldog I thought would do anything more than wet himself with glee at someone walking in the door…
And don’t you just love how people assume because it’s got a big head it’s a baroque style horse? And yes lady by all means breed your “fresian” stud even if he doesn’t get approved, god knows we need more half fresian-half retarded foals running about the country side with an exaggerated price tag. You know my big black horse has a big roman nose and big head too…Maybe I should offer him up as a baroque style horse for breeding! Too bad I had the good sense to geld ass, I’m missing out on a fortune.
DAMN! That is one NASTY web site! OMG! WTF ! Are these dumb ass idiots into primitive horses that look like Dr.Frankenstein’s creations? Piece together all the ugliness from all other horses and WALAH! You get colour and big ass heads, plus if you don’t feed it you can see it’s great bone structure!
My mistake, she said ‘American Bulldog’ not English. But as far as I’m concerned I feel the origins of the American Bulldog are suspect at best. And is basically an excuse for people to own an over sized pitbull (not nearly as intelligent as a pitbull either).
Also again they AREN’T the size of a mastiff. They should be between 80 to 90 pounds where as a full on mastiff should be much closer to 100. Though of course here in America we focus so much on the idea that ‘bigger is better’ (on everything from dogs to the penis) people forget that breeding an animal for a single trait (be it size, blue eyes or color) inevitably accomplishes two things: greater health concerns and far less brain power.
Stormie,
Try “”baroque blood ” bandog” (the sister site is linked). It’s even worse with a bigger pic.
I’m thinking they meant “broke” – cause them horses sure need some fixing.
That little mule baby is a cutie, for a mule.
This quote had me baffled: “Her mother, a purebred welsh with no papers and usually listed as a grade quarter horse”…right…
http://www.freewebs.com/baroque-n-feathers/baby%20side%20patty%20butt.jpg
$1500 and you can own this Grullo with STRIPES…need i say, but look at those back legs…i am HOPING its photo distortion
Quote from page
“If you like this baby buy, one In-Eutro at a reduce rate for July 2007.
In Eutro Foal~Jamboree Nitefire X Patty Anne. Starting price $800colt-$1000filly.”
Bronco Johnny-
AmBulls and Pits are NOT the same, though like all bully types they derive from the same places. Moreover they aren’t stupid, and like all dogs just requie people who arent idiots to handle them.
Like the rest of the bully breeds they are fiercely loyal and will do anything for their owners. Which is why its so gosh darn easy to train Pits, Am Staffs, AmBulls, etc to do BAD instead of good
Got happy when i seen this
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“Can’t keep him another winter” indeed.
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I don’t understand how anyone trying to sell a product (horses for sale, horses at stud) can use photos like those.
I’ll again be the voice saying that her horses are not all awful. The tobiano half Arab foal has nice movement, and a really cute look. The friesian colt looks decently put together, certainly not fugly, though again, not breeding material.
Her ‘Zebra dun sulphur’ stallion might in fact be a good looking guy. How can you tell? There are no pictures of him that show him off to good advantage. She does have aspirations to show her horses in high-level dressage, but doesn’t indicate that they have done any steps toward that. No indication that he’s done any classes on the line, or had any training. Come to think of it, no indication of his age. Is he full grown? Has he been started under saddle? I’d love to see a conformation shot of him, and one at the trot.
The one picture of him that is there scares me to death. There are stumps and metal pipes sticking out of the ground, and metal brackets sticking out towards him on every post. There is what appears to be a SHARPENED and broken metal post behind him. There is a rail missing just in front of him, so that he could easily duck under and get into the next corral. If you look in the upper portion of that picture, you realize that all he has to do is duck under that post (and what horse wouldn’t? There is grass on the other side!) and he’ll REACH THE HIGHWAY. Those are guardrails!
Sigh…
All of her other horses are shown off in pastures littered with debris, or in pictures that are not to their advantage. Surely somebody could catch hold of one long enough to snap a decent picture. If your farm is your business, please put some care and pride into it. It doesn’t need to be a million dollar showplace, but I wouldn’t put a non-refundable deposit on a foal from a mare kept in those conditions. And if those *aren’t* the conditions — maybe they’ve moved, or cleaned up the yard? Take new pictures! Show off!
“It cost just as much to feed a good one as a bad one”
Who buys these things and WHY? If there weren’t sales, wouldn’t they stop? What could you do with something like this? Heck, I’d be in-bare-assed to take it out of the barn (i.e. pretty danged drunk).
Hey, maybe that is what the NFQHA is breeding “Baroque” style quarter horses… snicker
And it’s inevitable that some of the worst breeders out there have “free” websites! Damn, people, if you aren’t even making enough money from your horses to afford $1.99 site and $4.95 a month to host it then there’s something wrong and you need to Get The Hell OUT. Grow Turnips.
Well, the thing is they believe there will be sales so they breed in the first place. Then they can’t sell the babies. A couple years down the road, maybe they pay for some training and get a horse or two sold – at a loss. I think most will quit breeding in 5 years or less – after all, the most hideous of these sites NEVER feature something they bred that is 10 years old this year. Ever notice that? Whereas most good breeders have that page showing horses they bred that have gone on to show, compete, etc.
No No NO!!! The ‘zebra-silver-dun-hammerhead-welshie-pally’ site states it is near Spokane WA! Yikes! I am a proud Washingtonian and please don’t think all our lovely horses are represented by Mr (Hammer)Ed-for-sale-for-$2000. And the black morab mare with lippitt-neck-&-body looks to be a modest few-characteristic Morgan crossbred with no notable breedable features, although a head-down-grazing pic is a poor choice for a breed known to be particularly UPHEADED due to correct shoulder angulation and poll attachment. Yes yes yes, even upheaded horses put their velvet lips to the ground to GRAZE (duh!?), but if you want folk to admire the typy brteedy beauty of which you misspell, please pose the horse correctly. Thank you very much.
From the-farmer’s-wife who has some typy & show winning Morgans in her pasture and at her trainer.
EXCELLENT POINT, FHOTD!
Also, I googled “Clayton Washington” it is VERY close to the Canadian border, and from her pictures it appears she is close to the highway. So maybe she DOES have buyers
I breed another type of animal (let’s keep it at that for now.) The average time a breeder stays in business in my area is less than two years. I’ve been at it for 9 years, and it amazes me sometimes that that makes me way up there in longevity. I get a lot of praise for my critters, but I could also tell you exactly what is wrong with them and what I am doing to try to fix it.
I get uncomfortable with breeding sometimes, but knowing that I am doing a good job at it also makes me think that *someone* has to be working to improve the stock or it’s everyone’s loss.
With small critters, you can feed a few extra for not that much money. There have been times I have taken a break because my population has been at the limits of what I can handle. But with horses, just having one extra one is hugely expensive… I *hate* slaughter and would be much happier if these bozos would just STOP breeding and let the horse market readjust to where the supply and demand are about the same, without having to resort to slaughter.
I know you all know this, but I have to correct it or my brain will explode….
U-TE-RO…..utero!!! NOT eutro!!!
Sheesh, learn to spell goddammit or I’ll come over there, buy that skinny-ass “stallion” from you, and beat you to death with it’s great big honkin’ head! It would be WELL worth the $2000 for that priviledge!!!
*pant* *pant* *pant* I feel better now….
sadly this is a very common issue among Spanish Mustang type breeders (classified as the Colonial Spanish Horse). most of them are just plain uneducated idiots with no concept of correctness in a riding or driving horse. to my knowledge there are about THREE breeders of Sulphurs that are decent breeders producing quality horses. However with this breed specificly it can be difficult to find the right stock. many horses from the free roaming herds are of extreme primative type. there was a great deal of reseach done by Dr. Sponedberg, Dr. Gus Cothran and the University of Kentucky in their blood typing research regarding the free roaming Sulphur herds.
http://www.americanspanishsulphur.org/GusCothran.html
http://www.americanspanishsulphur.org/Sponenberg.html
sadly though there are to many people who got into “foal mill” style breeding of Sulphur horses strictly based on color. the breeders who try to pull the Sorraia Mustang crap really piss me off, the are not Sorraia’s nor have they ever been. There only two ACTUAL Sorraia horses in the US, both imported. There are a total of three registries for Sulphurs but only ONE requires proof of parental DNA for registration, the rest only require stud reports (if that) and for people to be “honest”. as far as im conserned the American Sulphur Horse Association is the only legit registry.
also remember that unlike modern breed Sulphurs do not LOOK mature at two years of age. its common practice to breed horses to look mature at a young age, which i think over all is a terrible idea. Sulphurs are gawky, gangly and rather weedy looking until their three or four year old year when they start to fill out.
Yes they have convex heads and large ears, as most spanish horses do. i realize not everyone like a convex profile but it is NOT a fault nor is considered unattractive. for the record i LIKE a convex profile. i do wish breeders would get an education when choosing there breeding stock, there are some extrememly spanish Sulphur horses out their with exceptional conformation, but most are still running wild because many are bay, black or chestnut instead of grullo, claybank and dun.
http://www.americanspanishsulphur.org/Index.html
http://pub34.bravenet.com/photocenter/album.php?usernum=2835692391&album=35409
I wouldn’t buy one of her “Baroque” horses,, Why waste your “Monet”?
How about a registry for GAITED Baroque Horses?
Gaited Baroque Horse Registry
Barnibus:
I went to the American Spanish Sulphur link — and that same stallion is on their stud page. He is actually classy and good looking – and as she stated, he does have an Andalusian look about him. Maybe if they stood him to better mares, the foals would be better looking as well. And I sincerely hope he’s not living in that deadly looking paddock.
Dang… messed that up, didn’t I?
Back to copy and paste:
http://gaitedbaroquehorse.com/
I just love these people! Makes me so angry! I saved up and purchased a purebred Friesian filly that has good conformation and nice bloodlines. Those who crossbred just ruin the bred and make the quality horse prices go down the drain. What is that stallion anyway??? Beside totally fugly. I just cannot get started or I will be on a soap box for hours. I love this blog btw. It is everything I have always wanted to say!!!
And Libby….if it isn’t Baroque, don’t fix it!
(tee hee hee)
“1. A 14 hand “Zebra dun sulphur.” She argues that these mustangs are the “poor man’s Andalusian” and states that his foals can be registered as Aztecas. No mention of any halter or performance record, or of being broke to ride.”
Max was broke to ride by his previous owner, but since he was sold sadly he has nothing but stand around. =(
I know of only FIVE Sulphur stallions that are broke to ride . one of which is mine and at four year old he has never bred a mare nor will he for at least two more years and after several seasons of showing. i know one woman with five studs, three she invested in training to have them broke to ride but then apon brining them put them out with mares and havent touched them since. this one wacko has over 70 Sulphurs because they are breeding OUT OF CONTROL. most of them are unhandled and in poor condition /sigh.
for the record Spanish Mustangs DO NOT need to be compaired to Andalusians or any other spanish horse. they are there OWN breed of spanish horse with varying types and backgrounds. I had the opportunity to buy several andalusian colts and warmblood colts. but i bought a Sulphur colt because he had all the qualities i wanted. he was right TYPE. breeders need to breed for TYPE not BREED.
Sulphur and Kiger breeders need to pull their heads out of their collective ass and breed horses of TYPE that reflect true spanish qualities and forget about the color!
OMG! I know that woman on that nasty site! She has ponies and horses that all others have left for nasty! Yes there is an “UGLY HORSE VACCUM ” up in the NorthWest and I for one have said that for years! LOL!
It is a great “HONNER” for me to share with you this site, WOW, Farmers Wife, you live in an UGLY HORSE VACUUM up there in the NORTHWEST
(I feel for you, then again I guess we all live in one or near one?)
http://www.dressagepony.com/index.html
p.s. they dont even spell their Vets name correctly.. WOW, lucky for him..
Libby said…
I wouldn’t buy one of her “Baroque” horses,, Why waste your “Monet”?
LOL!
One reason why stupid people buy these rejects is because we breeders or people with sense won’t buy them and good horses cost too much because they are QUALITY and QUALITY costs more! LOL!LOL! well most of the time……. ; )
I get so sick of these people who talk about how great their horse’s conformation is but don’t bother to take even halfway decent pictures! It’s one thing to take crappy pictures of your riding-only horses, but if you’re advertising stallions or broodmares, you should know better!
These people definitely don’t grasp the concept of what a decent photograph is. Even worse, they don’t really seem to care.
“Please excuse my poor pics, it’s hard to get good pictures of a horse who won’t stay away from you.”
DUDE, SERIOUSLY. It’s called grab a HALTER AND LEAD ROPE and have someone hold your horse for you! Not difficult in the least.
If you’re a bad photographer, find someone better to do it for you, or look up some photography tips that are readily available online. Really! Not that hard! Or get over your cheap ass “poor mans horse” crap and hire a professional photographer. It’s a good business investment.
Most of the “breeders” featured today live near Canada, Im willing to bet that some of these horses might find their way to a European vacation before the winter is out?
Hay isnt getting cheaper folks
del13 – exactly! A good website has photos of the stallion (conformation and under saddle), photos of his progeny as foals and as adults, and a thorough list of his qualifications.
And on the American Sulphur website there are photos of the one stallion at his first show, and a beautiful shot in a much nicer pasture. I can only assume those were from a previous home, and the current owner doesn’t have permission to use those shots? That probably explains why every photo on her site has a different fence in the background…
ErinGoBarnCurlies said…
“…….you need to Get The Hell OUT. Grow Turnips.”
I agree. But there’s no bragging rights with growing turnips. That’s what a lot of the FUGLY breeding is all about. Ego. Hey, look at me! I have a stallion and he has loud dots/stripes/white/black/purple/hairy (oh, and BTW, for sh*t conformation.)
reinventing1,
Max did show once with with his previous owner, but only in color classes. no undersaddle classes.
http://www.americanspanishsulphur.org/SulphurShowcase.html
however those other photos are of his sire Sulphurs Chance who is also the grandsire of my own colt. Chance died a few years ago sadly. CHances last owner did show him and rode him, its really to bad he’s gone he was an exceptional horse. im really sad to see Max in such a low end home, there were high hopes for him. but like most breeders his buyer turns out to be just another puppy miller with terrible facilites and poor ethics…
Dear Nomofugly… and Rideshorses, do you mean we up here in the Pacific Northwest vacuum UP more fuglies than other regions, or we LACK our fair share of fuglies? Vacuum as in “attract” or “total lack of”? I am afeard there’s the poster boy for fugly white, pink-skinned, jugheaded, unkempt stallions a mere 1/2 mile up the road from us behind a single rusty strand of barbed wire, and my lovely Morgan mares at my place inside their no-climb-electric fencing and inside the barn at night. I hope Ol’ Whitey ain’t much of a jumper….. would hate to geld ‘im with a shotgun.
But please believe that while we show around WA and OR on the A Morgan circuit and at open shows, we see 99% beautiful Morgans, some less typy than others but often of sterling disposition packing a walk-trotter around or reining or jumping, while the standard show classes (eng, estern, classic, driving, park, hunter) are filled with horses no one could mistake for anything but Morgan.
Yet at the open all-breed shows we see well-kept horses of other breeds, obviously trained, well-ridden, loved by their owners. We show them respect and sometimes admiration (if they would JUST remember that harness horses have the right-of-way on the show grounds).
So if WA has lots of fuglies, they aren’t showing on the A or B circuits to my knowledge, must be too busy reproducing out behind the barn.
Urgh. And they know **nothing** about Baroque music either. That badly-played sound file on their site is “Fur Elise” which is Beethoven not Baroque.
Ignorance abounds.
Has anyone checked out their so called Friesian stallion??? I seriously do not think he is a purebred! He looks like a QH cross or something. Do they think it is easy getting a Friesian stallion approved? It is 50 days of intense riding and driving. Wonder if they even have the money it takes to get that thing approved? But what the hell, they can MAKE money using him for crossbreeding to any mare around for other stupid people that think they are going to make a ton of money! I agree, grow turnips!!!!
If it ain’t Baroque, don’t fix it.
Does that mean that if it is Baroque, it needs fixing? Because those horses sure do. The “Baroque” Welsh pony makes me so sad. I love Welshes and that pony sure isn’t it (it really just looks like your regular ol’ backyard pony, which is fine… BUT DON’T BREED IT).
As for the dogs… just what this world needs, another idiot breeding Pits and other large dogs that have a bad rep because of some of the idiots who breed them. Pits, bulldogs, mastiffs, etc, are nice dogs, but they need careful breeding and handling.
If you feel the need to mess with genetics, make like Mendel and plant some peas.
“This guy knocks out everyone who sees him”
I find this comment to be just hilarous! I wonder if she meant he will knock your ass out if you try to do anything with him.
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they also quote ‘WE JUST LOVE HER TO DEATH.’
ewwwwww
and they are way too near here….just what we need more of around…dogs ending up fighting or in the shelters (till they determine they weren’t socialized- then euthanize them) & horses described as ugly furniture!
>>DUDE, SERIOUSLY. It’s called grab a HALTER AND LEAD ROPE and have someone hold your horse for you! Not difficult in the least.< <
ROTFL that was about my EXACT thought when I read that. How hard is it?
And I LOVE “Breed turnips.” No kidding. Breed turnips, breed peas, breed something that does not eat if you must “experiment.”
something ALL breeders and potential breeders should read!
http://www.americanspanishsulphur.org/RecruitingandTrainingNewBreeders.html
of course to read it Fugly breeders need to pull there head out of their horses striped/spotted/fluffy arse!
Barnobas: Thanks for the clarification. Sorry to hear about Chance- he looks like he was a great example of his breed. I still think Max looks cute too, and it’s a shame that his potential is being squandered.
One of the sites that came up in my google search also involved some strange shar pei breeding scam, speaking of puppy mills. Bad place all around, I guess…
That stallion there, with the $350 stud fee… why can’t they take $20 and buy him a damn halter that fits?
Oh, he’s probably not broke and that was the result of a drive-by haltering.
So much fugly today, wow. The links just keep coming!
Oh yes, dun Welsh ponies and non-approved Friesians. Joy. It is fascinating that they have a Shetland/Miniature true buckskin. As opposed to all the fake buckskins running around, I suppose. And what is a “black bay dun”? That sulphur colt is really one of the least attractive horses I have ever seen.
Still, to me, the funniest part is that the Friesian colt (Malin) has a girl’s name.
‘drive by haltering’ LMAO!!!
Ya know, I don’t know whether reading this blog/column is GOOD for me or bad for my blood pressure…the BAD things FH of the D digs up on the internet just blow my exhausted mind, and what is out there undiscovered that HASN’T reached the WWW? OMG some days I hafta laugh reading this blog as crying is getting me no where…But THANK YOU, FH of the D for bringing this all to light; I used to think I was one of the few people alive who recognized what the handbasket looked like that horse-breeding was riding in as it careens towards hell…
My favorite saying is that everyone is a friggin’ expert when it comes to horses, usually said as some Einstein uses a boat winch to drag their terrified weanling into a trailer, muttering, “I’ll show you!”
Ah, Farmer, dontcha want a little color in your barn.. You could sell them as SPORT HORSES OF COLOR!
snark, laugh, JUST KIDDING
Haha, what an idiot, especially about the dogs. I am a proud owner of a 11 yr old Am. Bulldog, and they are wonderful dogs. Maybe she is the one that needs an experience trainer….
Dear RidesHorses, about that shotgun…..? If ever such a mistaken breeding occured this would be the order of events:
1. Geld stud with shotgun.
2. Call vet to abort mare.
3. Call neighbor to come pick up their new gelding.
4. Call attorney to deal with lawsuit from fugly neighbor.
4. Contact RidesHorses via FHOTD blog to tell her she’ll have to look elsewhere for her Sporthorse of Color, and there appear to be plenty of websites to choose from.
But thanks for the idea. Truth to tell, there are a few Morgan breeders mining color with success in maintaining type, but also too many who aren’t. My breed has enough issues debating the correct old vs new type in plain old bays and chestnuts to have time to dilute-with-gold/cremello/buckskin (DVF Chatahoochee notwithstanding, adore that horse in any color!)
“STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT”
Says it all!!!!
(I want a T-shirt with that on it!)
I can honestly say that is the ugliest foal I have ever seen. WOW!
By the way…..
crazyhorse- I love your paint!
I feel like some comments on here are insinuating that ‘up north’ (i.e. Canada) will buy the crap that’s being bred in border-towns because we don’t know any better – NOT TRUE.
Ignorance is bred by ignorance, and the buyers keeping these insanely FUCKED-UPed breeders in business are international – not pinpointed in any one location in North America.
Crap horses from South American and Europe are snatched up by stupid buyers from EVERYWHERE (US and Canada), who then breed more crap because they think ‘imported’ translates to ‘quality’ somewhere in the english language. Then the fugly offspring is marketed to unknowledgeable greenies everywhere and the cycle perpetuates.
and by ‘green’ i’m not referring to the LENGTH of time someone’s been involved with the horse industry, but their learning ability.
so saying that these (dunno-what-the-hell-they’re-doing) ‘baroque’ breeders in WA are being kept in business because they’re close to the Canadian border is a bit insulting!
Even in a city of less than 60,000 people on the east cost of Canada, we know good horseflesh when we see it, and the majority of us are looking at improving our breeding stock by importing proven mares, and high-quality semen.
WRT – Actually, the insinuation being made was that even if the U.S. slaughterhouses are closed, Canada is building more – which is true.
Unfortunately, that is likely to be the final destination for a lot of these “sport horses” especially with the price of hay skyrocketing.
Maybe there are so many fugly horse breeders up north because when they can’t sell their fucked up, broke ass messes they can load them up and take them over the border to the meat man and at least make a little money.
oops, FHOD and I were on the same wavelength. LOL
wtr, I believe people were insinuating that these irresponsible breeders near Canada can pay cheaper prices to have their horses slaughtered than if they lived elsewhere. And that that is why they are near the border
Is there an echo in here? LOL
WTR—- settle DOWN Beavis, laugh, YOU TOTALLY MISSED THE POINT, Being close to CANADA is it EASIER AND FASTER TO SHIP HORSES OUT TO SLAUGHTER! (dont give me that inspect them at the border crap either, the slaughter buyers KNOW how to get them thru WITH OUT a border stop)
FYI—- There is UGLY everywhere
ah, okie. hadn’t thought of the slaughterhouse issue. just got my back up about the ‘up north’ comments for no reason then.. LOL
i love this blog, and am the biggest advocate on our local forums when people misunderstand the intent of your work on here.
everyday i’m disgusted by the pictures of what so-called ‘breeders’ think are passable examples of their breed-types.
wake up and smell the horse-shit people! we’re supposed to be improving our breeding stock, not dragging their name through the mud!
First of all, I haven’t had a chance to read all of the comments yet so I may just be repeating what has already been said, but … do these people even know what the term Baroque means? There is absolutely nothing Baroque about their fuglys (or is the pural fuglies?). At first I thought maybe they had gotten confused and ment to say Broke, but it doesn’t sound like they are broke either.
GELD THEM!!!!
http://www.freewebs.com/asianbaroque/
I particularly like the statement about how if stud X doesn’t pass his inspection- he will be offered to the public. I am sure this was their intent anyways, so why bother with the inspection?
OOOPS! My bad! If he does receive a decent score then they can charge more for his fugly fish. They are probably mostly ‘spinners’ anyways.
As for the dogs, my good friend is a respectable breeder of StaffBulls. She follows strict standards when breeding. I would trust her dogs alone with my child they are so well behaved.
She had one wonderful dog who she had rescued, and after a few years he suddenly went after her for no reason. She thought it was a fluke occurrance. The third time it happened she had him put down that day.
She was not breeding him and there was nothing to provoke attack #1, 2 or 3. She gave the dog the benefit, but when you bite the hand that feeds you, you jeaprodize your status in the pack.
Does anybody else wish that we had pictures of these retarted breeders once in a while????
and FHOTD, there was a comment earlier saying it’s easier to find homes for golden retrievers. Very true, but I work at a vet, and can I tell you I’ve been attacked by more golden retrievers in the past 4 years than Pits and american bulldogs combined? I know, that’s a whole different argument. I hate breeders……Ugh..
and to cutnjump, I’m willing to bet the dog developed a brain tumor. Not kidding…if he was a rescue and after a few years just had a couple of random attacks, that’s usually what it ends up being. Better for him to have been put down. sad though.
These are like people who breed mutts when there are shelters full of adoptable puppies across the country. Everyone wants to be surrounded by babies, without thinking of their futures.
Okay, on that picture of Max what were they trying to do with his front legs. Someone did a terrible job on photoshop and cloned out his legs just below the chest. I saved the picture and blew it up in my editing program and someone took the cloning tool and wiped out his upper legs or else there is nothing holding up his front end.
Look close at this picture
http://www.freewebs.com/asianbaroque/
Other than that he looks like he might be a pretty horse.
Holy moly! I just looked at that site, and I am cracking up. Btw, she has high hopes if she thinks she will breed any of that crap to Saphiro. I really hope his owners don’t just stand him to anyone who will pay the stud fee. Just google Saphiro lusitano, and let me know what you all think of him.
Em
Shameless- I don’t know what his problem was. When we visited her out of state, she said she wasn’t sure how he was around children. My daughter was 5 at the time. I trust her opinion of her dogs- both rescued and homebred. So we all kept an eye on the two of them.
My Daughter led him around the house and they played together and seemed to enjoy each other as playmates and he never once made a bad move towards her.
She had Auggie Doggie put down for the main reason that she was not going to have a dog like that around, and also because you can NOT rehome a dog like that. (At least not honestly) It was the responsible thing to do. (Yes there are responsible people out there.) He was a red nose pit, which tends to be more of the fighting lines.
BTW She LOOOOOVES this website! She had horses for a while too.
WTF “HighSchool dressage”. ‘High School Training’.I don’t knwo much about teh dressage world but did I miss a meeting or something I have never heard that before.
Should they not have their stud fees straight, 350 one site 500 another.
Once again i ask did i miss a meeting??????????
What a joke to bad we can’t send ppl to slaughter for what they produce
OOOOOOH! I forgot the first mare on the broodmares page has a bi colored mane and tail. I remember one color crazed client we had that would probably say this mare is elligible for the ICHR- International Champagne Horse Registry. She bought bred and sold based on color and not much else.
Are we going to se anything on that one Fugly Horse? I coan send you a link to many ‘stallion prospects’ who qualify for a number of reasons. Conformation is not one.
Okay, that whole website just has me fuming! I need a drink!
Her obvious lack of ability to even spell the simplest of words just tells me that even if you told her she was breeding crap horses, it would fall on deaf ears!
My sister said that maybe “In-Eutro” is the internet(e-commerce) version of In-Utero!
She also doesn’t know the difference between claybank dun, palomino and grullo!
Saw Saphiro…however nice he might be, and however nice his foals might be, his stud fee is only $750 ($1000 if you include the return handling fee) according to the contract…that doesn’t say much about him. They show photos of his offpring from various breeds, so it doesn’t sound like they are all that selective on what he’s bred to…that’s a bit scary!
these people just piss me off…why oh why can’t they just see that breeding more animals is not the way to make money or get fameous.
Both their dogs and their horses are ‘baroque’? Wow. Maybe I should start a new animal buzzword.
witchy said…
WTF “HighSchool dressage”. ‘High School Training’.I don’t knwo much about teh dressage world but did I miss a meeting or something I have never heard that before.
High School dressage, aka Haute Ecole, refers to classical dressage training, most people know it as the type of dressage training used with the Lippizans at the Spanish Riding school of Vienna.
Speaking of Lippizans… can there be a blog in the future about Lippizans? As in, Just because it’s a Lippizan doesn’t make it grand prix quality! There was this Lippizan gelding who showed on the local dressage association shows that I showed my pony at… poor guy had the most horrid back and ugliest face I’d ever seen on a horse. Fugly horse poster child. His owner forced him to do 2nd or 3rd level dressage even though his incredibly long swayed back prevented him from being able to collect even in a manner that would be appropriate for training level dressage.
sorry I was wrong, “all other mares” $900 stud fee to Saphiro. Lusitanos and Andalusions will pay significantly more….
from Saphiro’s website:
Requirements For Mares Receiving Shipped Semen
Approved mares only ~ pictures or video
Mares with serious inheritable defects or in poor health will not be accepted.
Veterinary statement of clean uterine cytology / culture
Including maiden mares due to possible e-coli self-contamination.
The test is a simple, inexpensive swab of the uterus.
Veterinary evaluation
Early cycles in the season frequently are not fertile heat cycles.
Copy of registration papers (if applicable) showing current owner.
For breeder’s certificate to be issued to legal owner
Copy of lease agreement for leased mares
For breeder’s certificate to be issued to legal lessee
“So is “Baroque” the new fashion buzz word in the horse world? If you want a Lusitano or an Andalusian, save up and buy one!”
No, it isn’t a new term, the word baroque has been around forever. However, people are using it to describe breeds that were never baroque in origin.
For instance. She thinks Shire’s are baroque?? UUUH then I also have a barn full of Baroque percherons! They are DRAFTS dumby!! Sheesh. lol
“Has anyone checked out their so called Friesian stallion??? I seriously do not think he is a purebred! He looks like a QH cross or something. Do they think it is easy getting a Friesian stallion approved? It is 50 days of intense riding and driving.”
The regulations for the Dutch registery and the German registery are different. The German registery is a bit easier to pass at the stallion test. The Dutch registry (the original, true registery requires a lot more.
Stallions remain in the foalbook unless they become an approved breeding stallion. If they are awarded a 1st or 2nd premie equivalent (they don’t actually get that rating and just make ster or not) at North American inspections they become a “ster” stallion in the foalbook. In the Netherlands a stallion can only become ster if they are selected for the 2nd stallion selection viewing (part of the selection process for breeding-stallion candidates). They otherwise remain a foalbook stallion, no 3rd or no premie. All approved breeding stallions in the studbook never receive less than a 1st or 2nd premie at their annual inspection. Stallions are not approved for breeding unless they can pass a rigorous series of tests in hand, at liberty, under saddle, in harness, and are tested on semen, health, x-rays, and for certain genes. In countries without approved stallions foalbook ster stallions of sufficient quality can be given limited breeding permits. Since 1988 they are registered in B-book I.
Yep, just looked at the Friesian Stud. He would never make it. Well… maybe if they took him to the FHS… >_>
Kay said…
“Okay, on that picture of Max what were they trying to do with his front legs. Someone did a terrible job on photoshop and cloned out his legs just below the chest. I saved the picture and blew it up in my editing program and someone took the cloning tool and wiped out his upper legs or else there is nothing holding up his front end. “
I didn’t use photoshop or blow up the photo but I can see that it is not touched up in that are. You can see where his legs are it’s just that color of them is very close to the ground around them. His black legs end, the body color is mixed in some and it just blends in that well to the ground. Maybe blown up it is less clear but I can see it in the org. picute.