Yo quiero hairy hammerheaded Spanish horses, por favor!
Aug 20 2007
As any girl who has ever tried to buy a purse knows, country of origin matters! You just can’t get Italian leather for the same price you can get that tanned roadkill stuff they sell at Ross Dress for Less. Therefore, it’s not surprising people have tried to apply the same elitism of origin to horses. What a shame the resulting product does not parallel the quality of, say, a Prada loafer. No, these “Baroque” horses simply remind me of the fake Vuitton bags you can get on Canal Street – the sales pitch sounds great, but the look just ain’t the same.
This lady brags that she breeds “Family Sporthorses of Color!” She has another 31 Flavors of Horse Breeding. “My main breeds are the Spanish horses (sulphur mustangs, aztecas, andalusians, lusitanos, paso finos) with some slightly more baroque blood (friesian, shire, and gypsey) and the dash of asian blood, my first love, the Arabian horse.” If those are your MAIN breeds, are there others too? Hell, why not just throw a couple of German Riding Ponies in there too and maybe a few Akhal Tekes?
She goes on to brag about her three stallions:
1. A 14 hand “Zebra dun sulphur.” She argues that these mustangs are the “poor man’s Andalusian” and states that his foals can be registered as Aztecas. No mention of any halter or performance record, or of being broke to ride.
2. A solid colored buckskin APHA stud with a crappy shoulder. Again, no mention of any halter or performance record, or of being broke to ride.
3. An unapproved Friesian stallion. They are going to try to get him approved, but cheerfully add “if he doesn’t make it we will be offering him to the public for cross breeding.” Oh yay. But hey, unlike the other two, he has mad skillz – he is a “cookie eating machine.”
And, much like our last featured “warmblood breeder,” you can buy foals in utero. While those foals were insanely overpriced, these are so cheap you have to wonder what would be the point in breeding them to begin with? (Spelling is, of course, hers)
IN UTERO FOALS FOR SALE
I will be breeding X to Y this year for a grulla half Arab endurance prospect extrodinnaire. In utero price will be $1,000 put down your deposit of $300 to hold this foal. Price will go up when the foal hits the ground.
I will also be breeding A to B this year. This will be a fabulous kids horse and I can’t even guesse at the color. In utero price will be $800 put down your deposit of $250 to hold this foal. Price will go up when the foal hits the ground.
If your foals are only worth $800 and you know that before they even hit the light of day… STOP BREEDING. STOP IT! STOP IT! STOP IT! It’s one thing if your average weanling sells for $2500+ and every once in a while you get one that is just not going to be anything more than “pet quality” as the dog breeders say, and you have to sell that for $800 – that is just being realistic. But these people are DELIBERATELY breeding foals they KNOW will be this low in value. Why? $800 doesn’t pay to care for the mare for a year.
<---- I am not a baby mule, I just play one on the Internet.
This lady also breeds dogs (who wasn’t surprised, raise your hands!)
“The two breeds I will be breeding on rare occasion, are the American bulldog and the bandog. The American bulldog is a breed whose time I believe has come. They have the size of a mastiff and a strong fight drive, so you need to be a pretty dog savvy person to deal with one, unless you have lots of money and a really good trainer.” Oh yeah, honey. Because THAT is a kind of dog the world needs MORE of. We don’t kill ENOUGH of those in the shelters every day. We need MORE. Now, in case you were wondering WTF a bandog is “The bandog was originally a creation of Dr. Swinford and was pit bull and anything big, mostly Neapolitan mastiffs. Dr. Swinford wanted to produce the kind of dog that would send any would be intruder or attacker packing, and he mostly succeded. “ Again, just awesome. Dogs the size of ponies that take extremely experienced handlers or they will rip your face off. Yes, the world needs more! Breed, breed, breed! Maybe you can sell some to Michael Vick, I’m pretty sure his football career is over.
Ah, but we’re not done…they also have a “sister site,” yet another breeder of “Baroque” horses. Look, here’s their stallion! You can BUY him for $2000 or breed to him for $350. Man, look at that hammerhead! He looks like he could be a decent mover, but honestly, I just can’t get past the unbelievable level of fug. I don’t care if he’s a “silver grulla.” He looks like a mule, and not a quality mule at that.
Again, people, if it’s worth $2000, that right there should tell you it is not stallion quality. And the only way you are getting $2000 for this critter is if you break it out and do a hell of a good job with that.
They are also proud of their “old baroque style welsh pony mare.” Um, Welsh breeders? Do you see any Welsh here? I guess it is possible she is half Welsh but any Welsh qualities have been smothered by a huge influx of old foundation QH. This mare is as long as an east-west drive through Texas, but they claim “She is our perfect sport pony mother.” Um, what sport does that back length work out for? Could you name that sport, please?
But hey, you can buy her, and I quote, “In Eutro Foal” – for $800 if it’s a colt and $1000 if it’s a filly.
Everybody wants to know how we make this kind of breeding stop, since we live in a country where we are all free to be irresponsible. Well, for one thing, who sold her that Friesian? It should have been gelded BEFORE it left the property. If you breed quality horses, geld your culls, and we won’t have so much of this to have to look at. Gelding surgery is cheap. Do your part for the future of the breed and snip those boys before they are out of your control. Remember, your low end colt breeding everything with a uterus does NOT make your breeding program look good.
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reinventing1 said…
I don’t understand how anyone trying to sell a product (horses for sale, horses at stud) can use photos like those.
I agree
The one picture of him that is there scares me to death. There are stumps and metal pipes sticking out of the ground, and metal brackets sticking out towards him on every post. There is what appears to be a SHARPENED and broken metal post behind him. There is a rail missing just in front of him, so that he could easily duck under and get into the next corral. If you look in the upper portion of that picture, you realize that all he has to do is duck under that post (and what horse wouldn’t? There is grass on the other side!) and he’ll REACH THE HIGHWAY. Those are guardrails!
Sigh…”
Yes there is a stump, doesn’t like the killer type. I don’t see any pipe behind but that round TALL looking one that for all we know is a fence/gate post. Those metal brackets you are seeing on every fence post are Insulators and more then likely have a hot wire on them which is also what is keeping him from ducking under that rail where the bottom one is broke. That ‘sharppened’ boken post behind him is really on the other side of the fance and more then likely isn’t broken any more then any other T post is(the corners on top get broken off a lot). It also has one of those black(more then like plastic) insulator and what looks to be a hot wire. If you look at the fence in front of the grass there is also insulators and wire but this time they are the short yellow kind. So even where there is the broken rail he has two hot wires. If he still gets through that there is at least one more hot wire maybe two that stop him from getting to the grass
Now I’m not saying that I agree with her fencing or the stump even just pointing out that it isn’t as bad as you made it seem with the metal brackets and no fence. Personally I think the fence sucks for a stallion or really any horse even if it wasn’t on the highway.
yep, im still killing myself laughing that shires and random-bred gypsy fatarses are now ‘baroque’. umm… r-tard? to be baroque you have to be descendant from or reminiscent of the baroque ERA (thats a period of time in history, in case you skipped school). thats what baroque MEANS. study art history if horse history is too complicated for you.
and since when are arabs ‘asian’? ‘arabian’ would suggest to me something… y’know, arabian. geographically.
dude… imagine a crossbred shire/arab/mustang/gypsy/friesian/
andalusian/lusitano. O_O
theres a word for that horse – “SHITE”.
In regards to Arabs being Asian…well, if the owner just happened to be from the UK, they apparently refer to Middle Easterners as Asian (or so I heard on TV back when they arrested those doctors for nearly bombing airport), so maybe that applies to the horses as well???
anyone from the UK, feel free to set me straight if I’m incorrect, it was the only explanation that I could come up with!
Stormie said
I didn’t use photoshop or blow up the photo but I can see that it is not touched up in that are. You can see where his legs are it’s just that color of them is very close to the ground around them. His black legs end, the body color is mixed in some and it just blends in that well to the ground. Maybe blown up it is less clear but I can see it in the org. picute
Well I looked at it again as closely as I could and you are probably right but that sure does look strange. I’ll have to check it out again.
Holy shit, I can hardly tell whether this is a horse or a llama!
http://www.dressagepony.com/electrasidelfthead2.jpg
My what big ears! The better to hear you with???
Ok, I have a friend from Egypt, and I don’t think he likes to be thought of as “Asian” and neither is the Arabian breed!
I have several breeds of horses, including 2 pure Arabians, a half Arabian, a Friesian, and a Warmblood. Now, before you all get your hackles up, I am a VERY responsible breeder. My stallion is broke to ride, he has several show awards, and he is a good example of the Arabian breed. But be assured, I will NEVER cross him on my Friesian or my Warmblood mares. My other purebred Arabian is one of his foals, and she is just like her sire and is also a good example of the breed. My half Arabian mare is also have Kiger mustang, and yes it was intentional (well my moms intentional any way, haha), and she is very good looking, well put together and has a good mind, but I don’t know if I will ever breed her, as she is part mustang.
Now, having said all that, what the HELL is wrong with these people breeding these fugly as horses???? And if you cant get what you put into them, its not worth it. I have a lady looking at one of my stallions half Arabian pinto mares, and the womans from Germany! If you can’t even get local people to buy them at a decent price, STOP BREEDING!!!!!!!!
*sigh* Gives us small time, but discriminating breeders a bad name.
Wanna bet that ‘dressagepony”‘s name is YODA????
oh, and I need to learn how to proof read before posting! HAHA
Attenion buyers! Now selling “horsehead by the yard”. Will include free neck and body with purchase of three yards or more….
horsetopia #206504 (gotta click to enlarge on the head shot of Misty)
These are the type of “breeders” that give [certain types of] dogs a bad name.
This just makes me livid!
If you can’t even be arsed to take good pictures of your animals and spell check your website, why would I be inclined to believe you’d put any careful work into your breeding?
Damn people, at least pretend to try. Those websites are as pathetic as some of the animals they’re breeding.
I looked at the websites for these horses: the yards look cluttered and cobbled-together. While lots of farms are busy places with litter here and there, a breeding farm with a website to showcase its horses needs to feature pictures with pens and pastures as pristine as the horses it is trying to sell. And misspelled words do not encourage confidence in a buyer.
I have to admit that I bred my Paint mare 2 years ago and got a nice little colt- I guess you can call me a back yard breeder. But….we have raised him well, he is being brought along under saddle correctly – AND we gelded him at 1 yr old. He will be a useful horse with the ability to perform multiple jobs. I had already decided that we would NOT breed again and after seeing the stuff that is out there – would probably feel guilty for adding another horse to the world when there are so many that need homes.
THANKS for keeping this subject out there. My little 14 hand, stout red roan APHA gelding can been seen on my blog thru my profile. Feel free to critique him – he is not perfect, but has turned out pretty well.
ASIAN. ARABIAN. WTF.
Alright, first off, half the damn breed variations doesn’t even refer to egypt any more, other than the -gasp- EGYPTIAN arabians. (forgive me if I’m wrong, arabian horsey folks. It’s not my expertise ;D) AND COMPLETELY BESIDE THAT POINT, EGYPT IS NOT IN ASIA. It’s in this little spot on the world called AFRICA, DAMMIT. -fumes-
anyyyyway. Breeder here is appaling (sp?) as always. I can’t believe that she’s not only turning out slime to the horse world, but to the dog world as well. At least gross dogs can be accepted as pets though D: I don’t think you can take your 20+ breed fugly little horse whose sire was just so cute in a house.
And I just want to clarify this, I don’t know very much about conformation… hammerhead is when they have that giant bump on their head, right? Cause the horse I’m training has one, and I love his looks other than that. It makes me angry. (gelded, of course
)
Hang on y’all, saw THE BEST bumper sticker on a truck today…get this
If you can’t FEED them,
don’t BREED them!!
How cool is that??
This is Erins site, she is the woman that did so much with Sulphur Chance. I also have a daughter of Chances.
http://www.sorraias.com/
“Well, the thing is they believe there will be sales so they breed in the first place.”
WHAT!!!! No WAY!!!
Fugs – you’re showing a very bad side of American intelligence here. Can’t we put walls up around the cities and send these people back?
Do other countries have creatures like the ones on here breeding? Do they set up special breeding programs for dumb Americans to buy?
WHY WHY WHY WHY
holy crap i didnt know Sovina was for sale! lord knows its currently IMPOSSIBLE to get another Sorraia into the US. it still boggles me that people try to say that their “sorraia-mustangs” are an actual Sorraias.
I’m waiting for Fugly Breeder and her friends to come up with all their excuses. It’s always more fun when the subject comes on to post lovely comments about lawsuits.
There is no way that pony is pure Welsh. I have a Findeln Welsh – TB cross. (Findeln Blue Danube and Brockwell Spider only 2 generations back) Yes, it’s on purpose he’s a sport pony. That doesn’t look anything like a good Welsh Pony!
There is something I don’t understand… “Sport Ponies”. There is a lady near me that breeds them. Her stallion is a FUGLY 1/2 Arabian pinto who’s head grew, but his body didn’t. She claims she gets $8,000 + for her foals, who are just as fugly. Why would you breed more ponies of unknown lineage, just for color? She claims they are good for kids and small adults. Yeah, and so are ugly unwanted horses, doesn’t mean we need to make more. I don’t know, I guess its just because she has like 30+ head and they all look like crap (long hooves, tangled manes, shaggy coats, some you can’t even get near). But like every one says “color sells” and “put a fancy name on it and you can get more $$”.
im so sick of seeing nice young horses go to the feedlots just because their breeders put no time into training and schooling /sigh
i love him, spots and all…
http://www.columbiabasinequinerescue.org/DEF-HorsesProfile.asp?HoID=862
Kat
If you wouldn’t have pointed it out I wouldn’t have thought anything of it because I’m use to looking at the colors of horses from photos. Maybe that’s why I can see that it isn’t photoshopped. I’m use to the sucky photos that people want opinions on the horse’s color.
aww, poor little dressagepony! She’s no llama, she’s cute! I don’t know what her breed is because I only followed the link to the little headshot but I loooove me some big ears! I breed warmbloods, and it takes some of them years to grow into their ears. Critique the important stuff all you want, but ears? I laugh at my Oldenburg mare’s great big airplane-ears all the time but that girl can MOVE.
The lasdy actually refers to what she breeds as “bandogs”? Let me tell you what a bandog (or Ban Dog) is: it’s a mixed breed developed to get around…breed bans aimed at reducing dog fighting. Say your city says, “no pit bulls!” Your friendly local dogfighters don’t want to get arrested for the mere possession of their fighting dogs, so they then get bandogs (usually, as Fugly Breeder says, mixes of pit and whatever kind of mastiff the breeder can get cheap). That way they can walk around with them in public, take them along on drug deals, etc., without being in any danger of prosecution.
She may not actually be involved in dogfighting, but if she’s selling them as “bandogs,” she’s selling them to people who are. What a fucking bag of shit.
multibreedlover: If that’s what her sport ponies looked like, then she’s just a fugly sport pony breeder. Sport ponies, to me anyway, are perfect and a good idea to breed if they are bred well and if there is a market for them in your area.
A GOOD sport pony looks much more like a small well-conformed TB than a scruffy pony. Usually they are welsh section A or B crosses with TB and/or light warmblood blood brought into them for more movement, bone, and a bit more height.
I really like them because I feel… better on smaller horses. It’s not a fear thing at all, but I’m 5’2″, 120lbs. I ride 16-17hh horses all the time, rarely anything lower as I’m a dressage and combined training rider. However I had the chance to ride a few “sport ponies” and I really felt good about it. A GOOD sport pony can jump as high as a warmblood of the same conformation – meaning that their height doesnt constrict what it can do. They can hold their own at least in the jumpers and eventing especially – I dont know their record as sucessfully placing dressage horses.
“Theodore O’Connor” ridden by Karen O’Connor, is a good example of a sport pony. Obviously not all Sport Ponies are going to win a double gold at the Pan American Games, but, not many horses do.
Oh, and Theo’s not colored. He’s just a chestnut. I dont think he has any white on him. Sport Ponies really arent about color.
The big kids *coughKarenO’Connor* know color doesnt mean nada.
Barnibus– That website made me so sad- and very angry to see all those young, mostly untrained horses there!
The Middle East is in Asia, yes. Mind-boggling, isn’t it? Well, the Middle-East (sharq al-awsat) includes the Arab and/or muslim countries in the region, from the Mediterranean coast and the Arabian peninsula to Iran. While Egypt geographically is located in Northern Africa, it is culturally so similar to the Middle-East that it (and the rest of the maghreb Arab countries) gets lumped in with it. No, Egyptian Arabs are hardly Asian, but it is very logical that the Middle-East is in Asia. Where else would it be?
as you can see from this handy map, you are wrong. egypt is part of the african continent.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/
wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dc/LocationEgypt.svg/
800px-LocationEgypt.svg.png
nevertheless, culture and geography are separate concepts, and egypt is ‘asian’ just as australia is ‘asian’. ie. not the slightest damn bit. sharing a hemisphere doesnt mean jack.
lol todays blog has been a real laugh but l have to make a few points clear(for myself as well as all of my fellow bloggers.)
1:fugly horse/ponie breeding is NOT restricted to just one area of the USA or even just the USA itself, it happens all over the world(sad but true)
2:The same problem applies to the dog breeding(all over the world)
3:Sport ponies ARE being bred by serious breeders as well as byb’ers but the serious breeder will have a goal in relation to the breeding program(doubtful the byb’er does),so please dont be knocking those who are genuine as pony dressage etc is becoming more and more popular so the need for Quality animals with the correct movement will be higher(sad to say byb’ers see the $$$ only
Todays blog has been interesting reading as it is always.
BREED THE BEST TO THE BEST
HOPE FOR THE BEST.
COLOR IS AN ADDED BONUS(if you need color that is)
This “Baroque” horse website and the other one, the “Palomino-buckskin sporthorses” on cannot be real sites…the pictures are of littered yards, messy fences, misspellings in the text, and poor photo quality…
They have to be mocking the overblown language of the horse world…
Barnibus – the really sad thing about that spotted colt is that he might find a home if he were selling at meat price. Unfortunately, that “rescue,” and I use the term lightly, sticks a whopper mark-up on all of those horses and if the “adopter” won’t pay the mark-up, the horse goes to slaughter. You could buy a colt like that for $150-$200 at any auction…for $570, people can get a broke riding horse and that’s what they do.
FYI, to those who followed the saga of the $500 mare I bought the other day, we finally looked in her mouth…she’s 10, not 20. We got a 10 year old, clean legged, well broke, sound, cute, tattooed TB mare for $500.
There’s the market, folks. And it will just get worse as winter comes and the price of hay goes up.
Mary Ann – I’m with you ! I also want a shirt that reads STOP IT ! STOP IT ! STOP IT !
http://s189.photobucket.com/albums/z80/mifish91/HORSES/
Don’t pick her apart, she takes terrible photos, but I thought I would share my mare with you and feel free to check out “my stud” and our new “foals” under family..Don’t worry TJ won’t be bred. My boarding facility charges $400 + a month for pregnant mares! and more when foal hits the ground…For other people that might think this is cheap, the average price of board around here is $100 a month and the average wages in my area are $7.15 so in comparison it is outrageous…I guess that is why there are no pregnant mares… Oh yeah I pay $165 to board her there an extra $65 to ensure great care!
Sorry, if this has been mentioned before, but I haven’t read the rest of the comments. Anyway:
“$800 doesn’t pay to care for the mare for a year.”
I think you’re giving them way too much credit here in assuming they are providing the mares with the correct care during that year.
If all their horses are a dime a dozen, why are they going to bother putting in the several thousand dollars responsible breeders put in to their mares to keep them and the babies healthy?
Just a thought.
Maybe some of these breeders should stick to the online version: http://www.howrse.com/login
Oh, and here they actually can grow turnips too, lol.
Lisa, yeah, it’s a good point. I know that a lot of these horses happen because Uncle Jim’s got 40 acres of pasture and, well hey, they get kinda skinny in the winter but that’s ok because they’ll fatten up in the spring! Vet? What vet? They don’t need no hoof trimmin’ they’re just broodmares. They’ll break off eventually!
Yes, all too familiar with that philosophy…
Kristen,
that’s exactly how my sport pony looks, like a small TB. He is 14.2hh and in his prime we were jumping 4′. He has beautiful conformation and a beautiful Welsh head. He is also a gelding because who in their right mind would want a stallion for their kids riding horse? I got him when I was in HS and have had him for 16+ years. I’m very short, 4’11″, so ponies are great for me.
FHOD, you may already know this, but the letter of the mare’s lip tattoo will indicate what year she was born. You can also contact the Jockey Club to look up her race record (if you’re interested.)
FHOD: If I remember correctly W=93, X=94, Y=95, Z=96, A=97, B=98, C=99, D=00…you get the point I’m sure. She would also have either had to race, or would have at least been entered and scratched (or not drawn in as she was an extra) to even have a tattoo. They are only tattooed by the Official Identifier at a racetrack, and only when they’re preparing to race.
Alright, here is mine. Bad cell phone pic and all. LOL!!
Let him have it!
http://www.equinenow.com/
horse-ad-45641
You may have to put that one back together. I had to space it out.
For the Future of the breed:
You had once said TJ looked like she has a small croup. Is that still your opinion at looking at her adult pics? Do horses bodies change as they get older…For example her foal pics showed her with a small croup and now I think she has a decent one. Refer to above posting for link
graywolf…you’re right about the tatoo letters in identifying tb’s but just a smidge off about when they get tatooed. The day they get their gate card (so the day that the track official certifies that the horse is gate trained and cleared to actually start in a race) is when they get their tatoo. I know this because one of my former off the track TB mares had her tatoo but never set foot on the racetrack on a day she was going to race (she was injured in training two weeks before she was supposed to race for the first time).
FHOTD…I’m not surprised at all about the price you paid for the rescued TB mare. The horse in my avatar photo was a racehorse, and I got her for free…as a 3 year old…and totally sound. All my off the track horses have cost me less than $1000 (two were free), and all have gone on to have great careers either as nice trail horses, eventers or dressage horses.
Out of ignorance, I ask this, but are jumpers supposed to have their heads below thier knees like this?
http://www.equinenow.com/
horse-ad-39818
CENEDRA91 – If this is the correct link to the side profile view of TJ:
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z80/mifish91/
HORSES/MICHELLE004.jpg
I still stand by my analysis. She looks exactly like I thought she would, judging from her foal photo. There are some things that just don’t change because the horse has grown up. Her croup might look longer to you, but she’s BIGGER now.
The overall picture to me is the same.
There isn’t anything horribly wrong with the mare. She’s very average, and better than a lot of the fugly Tobianos I see, but she’s not breeding quality, in my opinion. She looks to be homozygous Tobiano, but that would not be a good reason to breed her, either. Just enjoy her and ride her and have fun doing what you’re doing with her.
Hackney_Wonder, no, they are not supposed to jump like that and…SEVEN THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR A RESCUE HORSE? Are they on crack? SOMEONE is laughing all the way to the bank here. The point of rescues is that you rehab and rehome for a reasonable adoption fee. $7K is not an adoption fee, that’s just greed.
hackney_wonder said…
Out of ignorance, I ask this, but are jumpers supposed to have their heads below thier knees like this?
http://www.equinenow.com/
horse-ad-39818
Well, they sure aren’t supposed to look like that, no. My guess is that horse is reacting that way because he wants to stretch more than the rider is letting him. He would probably stretch his nose forward more instead of down and toward his chest if he had more rein. But the ad also says he’s just been start over fences so I’d say that’s also a result of being green. Although… they have some sort of training gadget on him too, looks like something intended to teach him to lower his head. That can’t be helping any. Poor guy.
That horse is so overpriced, though! Considering he’s in an area full of top-quality show horses, I’d be very surprised if a horse like that sold for $7k. Of course, if you look up his ad on equine.com, he’s only half the price. Hm.
Dressagefan:
I worked at a racetrack for nine years for the State Vet. None of the horses that raced there were required to be tattooed before getting a gate card. It was only when they were entered in to a race that they had to be tattooed. I actually went out with the Identifier to observe. The track your horse ran at, may have had different requirements on the gate training.
Graywolf – interesting. I have a QH with a lip tattoo who never started, so it must differ by track or are the QH races different?
“hackney_wonder said…
Out of ignorance, I ask this, but are jumpers supposed to have their heads below thier knees like this?
http://www.equinenow.com/
horse-ad-39818″
They are jumping him in draw reins; big no-no.
Check this one out:
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-45614
“He has 8 gates.” Uh, funny enought that they spelled it “gates” but I’m trying to figure out what the heck the rest of them could be! Someone should write and ask, the explanation is bound to be entertaining.
FHOD
The fact that the QH never started, may not actually mean it wasn’t ever entered in a race (but I suppose it’s possible that it wasn’t.)
We had many races that had too many horses entered, so when they did the draw, the “extras” were available if another horse that had entered was unable to draw in to the race. Most horses will get tattooed prior to entering, but they don’t have to be. Some horses didn’t get tattooed until the day before the race! Let’s just say that that was my experience during the nine years I was there.
I’m sure different tracks have different stipulations. The track I was at, for many years, was one of the few tracks that didn’t allow two year olds to run on any medication. They finally allowed Lasix back in 2001 (if I remember correctly). Shoot, now the horses can run on Banamine, Bute, Lasix.
I remember someone mentioning that the there should be no two year old racing. I totally agree, but the industry as it is, would collapse. I had many trainers that returned year after year with the same horses. I inquired once about a 10 year old that still WON races. The trainer confirmed that the horse really did not begin his career until he was three.
Anyway, you might still be able to contact the Jockey Club to see if your mare raced and where (that is if you don’t already know.)
I have to say that QH tattoos are not as easy as TBs to determine year. The letter is actually attributed to a particular Identifier and has nothing to do with the year the horse was born.
BountyHunter said…
Check this one out:
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-45614
“He has 8 gates.” Uh, funny enought that they spelled it “gates” but I’m trying to figure out what the heck the rest of them could be! Someone should write and ask, the explanation is bound to be entertaining.
Let’s see…how about:
Walk
Faster walk
Power Walk
Trot
Faster Trot
Extended Trot
Canter
Gallop
Dead Run
Oh wait a minute, that makes nine! Hmmm
I’m new to this blog, but have been reading it for some time. I totally agree with FHOTD that many people need to wake up and quit breeding shit. Ok here’s my rant. One of the points that I don’t agree with is that if it has a low sale/stud price then it has to be shit, and fugly. This MAY not always be true. Most good breeders and smart buyers know to not buy on bloodlines alone! So many times you will have a young stud or horse that isn’t old enough to have shown extensively for itself, so the introductory fees are less, until that horse proves itself through its own showing, and/or foal crop. And on another note, no horse has “perfect” conformation, you just work to get as close as possible, without ruining the trademark aspects for that breed. And some of these people choose not put exuberant (sp) price tags on this/these, to allow more people to get into the right way instead of the fugly way. Any responsible horse person will check the prospective buyer/breeder out before transactions take place. The ones who are only about the $$$ are the ones that are the most irresponsible breeders. I have known some people that have a stud you would probably classify as should be gelded- he is somewhat base narrow up front and toes out. They only bred to mares that had “good” (read not perfect! but good) conformation, especially up front. This is to better the outcome. Some people may not have the so called great – not fugly at all horses — yet they try to be responsible in how they breed to better that breed, and not add to the ever growing problem of horses sent to slaughter b/c of irresponsible breeding. Ok my rants over.
~ Time for some whiskey. LOL Oh, and, FHOTD how’d the rescue this weekend go?
so, susan larkin, did you get run out of the paint forum?
forthefuterofthebreed said I have never understood how anyone could believe a stallion is worth remaining a stallion when his price is $2,000 or less
so quality is determined by price? pretty narrow criteria ain’t it?
lifelike001… Thank you so much for making those points! I (as well as my Egyptian friend I’m sure would too) agree that even though they are on or near the Asian continent, does not make them “Asian”, thus the Arabian breed is not and Asian breed. They are desert horses, and one of my favorite breeds to boot! lol
Those aren’t draw reins on that poor “rescue” App/ASB- it looks like some sort of weird loop designed to prevent him from raising his poll.
Also: I’ve jumped my horse in draws. They are like just about anything one puts on a horse- used wrongly, they can do all sorts of harm. They seem to be used wrongly a large percentage of the time, but that says more about the ability of those people than it does about the effectiveness of the aid.
Ok. What the hell is a ‘gypsey’ and, if it is what I think it is, how the HELL is it ‘baroque’?
That is not a welsh, by any stretch of the imagination. I know my welsh conformation, at least, and that ain’t it. And where does she get off putting welsh and ‘baroque’ in the same sentence? What does she think that word means? Four-legged?
I have never seen a friesian that looked less like a friesian. If you’d asked, I would’ve said ‘low-quality dales pony’.
That said, if he’s sane, and doesn’t have any life-threatening conformation faults I can’t see in that photo (it’s really hard to tell) I’d take her ‘zebra dun’ stallion in a heartbeat. And geld him. He’s pretty. I want to save him. And I like convex heads.
Well, I do when they’re not attached to other body parts with a serious degree of fugliness.
Lifelike, et. al.:
The point I tried to make regarding them referring to Arabs as Asian, had more to do with what I understand folks in the UK call what we in the US refer to as “Middle Eastern”. Arabs do not ONLY come from Egypt, they are also from Jordan, Iran, Iraq, Syria etc. While Egypt is part of Africa, obviously the others are not. So if the folks in the UK do in fact refer to people coming from those countries as “Asian”, then it is also possible that they might refer to the horses as “Asian”. Simply a theory.
Kyani:
“Gypsy” refers to gypsy vanner horses or Gypsy cob horses depending on which side of the “pond” you are on. They are the “flavor of the year”, but they are nice horses. Many people brag about Cushti Bok, but I actually have a photo of him that would put him in the “fugly” pages. Ah, but I’ve sworn to never publish that photograph!
I actually know the grandsire of this colt. He is fearless and fun to be around. I also know who bred this colt. Keep in mind I am not friends with who bred or owns this colt. I just know who is the breeder. You need to realise that horses of this breed mature at like 5 or 6. The horse pictured is only a two year old and of course will look fugly. Poor colt is only going through an ugly duckling stage. Two years old for really any breed is hardly an age to criticise their conformation. All horses stop growing at about 5 1/2 to 6 years of age. Especially in the breed pictured, the poor colt is just a little baby. Of course he isnt going to look good. It is like judging a 13 year old kid against a 26 year old man. Yea…. not going to compare in any way you can think of. So, let the poor colt grow out of his fugly stage and then judge him. If he is still fugly, then yea, ya got a point.
JMHO
Kim
Forgot the pedigree of the grulla colt pictured.
Sire: Sulphurs Anhur Maximus
Dam: Sulphurs Arista (wild x wild)
Grandsire: Mestene’s Pueblo
Granddam: Wars with Thunder Felicia (great mother and endurance mare)
Great grandsire: Sulphurs Chance
Great granddam: Mestene
Great granddam: Darcy Duce la Grima
Great Great grandsire for great granddam: The Blue Stallion(was said to be two horses in one by the BLM)
Great Great granddam: Sulphurs Molly
According to the meaning of the word “Mustang” this colt is far from it and incorrectly named. Mustang means that the horse is feral. Obviously, by the fact that this colt has a known pedigree of domestic horses that he is certainly no Mustang. I would be curious to see what he looks like when he is 6 or 7. That is the age when this breed really starts to mature. Poor baby.
Kim
BountyHunter said…
Check this one out:
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-45614
“He has 8 gates.” Uh, funny enought that they spelled it “gates” but I’m trying to figure out what the heck the rest of them could be! Someone should write and ask, the explanation is bound to be entertaining.
It probably takes “8 gates” to keep him on the farm. He has to get tired eventually.
I find it interesting that some breeds say that their horses don’t mature until 5 or 6 years of age. That actually applies to all horses, and it bugs me when I see people breeding 4 yr old fillies (or younger). That’s like sending your 11 or 12 yr old child to get pregnant. Babies having babies! We don’t consider that appropriate for humans, why do we tolerate it with our horses? And I’m not suggesting that anyone here did that, just commenting on a pet peeve1
graywolf, I’m on their side of the pond!
In fact, I ride a fugly donkey-wannabe gypsy cob called Oddie. What I meant was, where’d she get the spelling ‘gypsey’ from? Probably she thought it would be a nice quaint way of spelling it to make them seem even more magicalomg. Maybe it’s a new breed she’s invented, cause the gypsy horses I know could never be termed ‘baroque’. *sigh*
Graywolf – go back to my post on teenage pregnancy, if you didn’t already see it. I soundly trashed people who breed their TWO YEAR OLD fillies. There is an appalling amount of that going on.
Oh My Good Lord, there is NO SUCH THING as a baroque Welsh Pony nor is there such a thing as a baroque cob – what is this woman on and do people believe her? What is wrong with leaving the Welshies as they are? The Welsh B has already metamorphosed into a small Arab/TB what are they going to change it into now?
The term baroque is more usually used to describe anything that is not a PRE (Andalusian) or a Luso but has spanish/portuguese bloodlines, they are not properly papered and people pay waaaaaaay too much money for what is essentialy a sow’s ear, but that is a whole other story.
It gets worse – just reread it! Shire horse – baroque?????????
Oh and the only spanish breed is andalucian, someone should tell her that the lusitano comes from Portugal and the paso fino from South America, aztecas, never have, and never will be spanish, they are an American breed and although they do carry iberian blood, the spanish will never give them a stud book.
Sorry………ranting………..breathe
Hi Graywolf,
I’m from the UK and no, we don’t call Middle Easterners Asian, either horses or people.
Never heard of an ‘Asian’ Arabian, must be a new breed
Not only is that first stallion one of the FUGLIEST horses I have ever seen.. ewe necked, roman nosed, etc but he was being sold originally for $575 OBO. WOW.. what a deal they got on him!!! You would have had to pay me the $500 to get him gelded and given away as a pitiful rescue horse. My rescues are a LOT nicer then that fugly thing!!!!
And of a breeder of show quality Great Danes. I don’t have to breed some hideous, vicious dog. My dogs are loving, sweet family members that would automatically defend me if the need arose but they don’t eat people for just any ole reason. What she is crossing is stupid and is just willy nilly finding some breeds and giving them a name. Talk about another idiotic “designer breed”. Gawd I wouldn’t have enough time to do a Fugly Dog of the Day blog.. it would take YEARS!!
barbhorses.. sorry but that horse was that fugly as a weanling!!! He is what he is.. there is no way that awful ewe neck and jug head will EVER improve!!!
SirenaXVI hat gesagt…
The term baroque is more usually used to describe anything that is not a PRE (Andalusian) or a Luso but has spanish/portuguese bloodlines, they are not properly papered and people pay waaaaaaay too much money for what is essentialy a sow’s ear, but that is a whole other story.
August 22, 2007 8:37 AM
No, this is not correct! The term “baroque” is used for breeds of that time. These horses differ in type and shape compared to a sporthorse.
Such breeds are, for example:
Lippizan, Kladrubi, Lusitano, PRE, Andalucian, Frederiksborg, Knabstrupper, Friesian, Alter Real, Losino, Monchino, etc.
Some of these “baroque” breeds do also come in a modern sportstype nowadays.
Certainly there are more and more “breeders” or “sellers” that go with the market and call a lot of horses to have a “baroque type”, but this is something serious breeders of these above mentioned breeds are not able to influence.
Something else I would like to point out: PRE and Andalucian are not the same. There is a difference in the pure bred status and the studbook keeping.
I agree Pendragon, yes, the term baroque WAS used to describe horses of that period, however, nowadays unscrupulous dealers use the term to describe anything that does not have proper papers. likewise the term Andalucian. As a PRE breeder, I am particularly irked about that.
people from the UK dont habitually confuse asia and africa, no. not as a national characteristic… not sure where youre getting that one?
HA! you crazy canadians. i mean cubans. hawaiians. well close enough to america, same thing isnt it?
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As the happy owner of a dog who may or may not have “pit bull” (a group of breeds, I must add compulsively, not to be really mistaken as a single breed), I really HATE the idea of some irresponsible idiot breeding anything from that family of dogs while advertising them as guard dogs, etc. Nonononoooo… people like that are the reason there ARE the dogs that give the breeds a bad name (that, and the stupid fighting ring people). I could go on and on, but I’ll just say I got my poor dog for $20 from a shitty pound in GA, most likely because of dumb people like that, and given other pups aren’t so lucky as mine, I want to punch her in the face for putting other dogs into the world that will probably end up gassed. [If you can't tell, anger is beating out coherence in my entry].