And the irresponsible breeder of the day award goes to…
Aug 17 2007
Rick the Kiger Mustang guy, who likes to brag in articles about how his horses are worth 5 figures and how he sold one to Hollywood, is giving them away for free yet again.
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Stop breeding things you have to give away for free!
And why do you have mares that have not even been handled?
Stop it! Stop it! Stop it!
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But they’re duns and grullas! Everybody should breed duns and grullas and make lots of money! er……well…….in this case……
This guy drives me nuts. Now I know Kigers are neat little horses and they have their fans and all that BUT there is simply NOT a huge market for them.
Obviously.
WHY breed something if you are A) having to give it away or B) having to ship them to auctions where they sell for $20-100 a head? Regardless of the breed or non breed.
And yeah let’s DOOM them by never handling them too. We know EVERYBODY is qualified to take on an adult, unhandled, WILD MUSTANG! Just a piece of cake to tame them you know!
I get so angry when I hear about these things because it’s obvious that these people don’t “get” it. And… I fear they never will.
Ok, so totally unrelated but this doesn’t look right to me. I was looking at some of the youtube links yesterday and saw this one. That last horse falls really hard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTDHzZZB_7Y
While your wondering why a guy is giving away free mustangs…I’m wondering what in the world the Amish are doing in the internet? I thought they were all against that??
http://www.equine.com/Horses/ad_details.aspx?search_id=fe6642da-344e-4de7-9912-4f8ce7749c48&lid=479848
whoops try again:
http://www.amishfarmanimals.com
in particular…take a look at their horse named Mindy
I would have thought since there are only a small number of Kiger breeders that one of them would have slammed the guy for flooding the market with unhandled freebies.
I’m shocked that no one on that Kiger board has not stepped up and chewed him a new arsehole.
*sigh* rick, rick, you impossible prick, go handle those mares like you handle your dick. (gently and frequently!!)
produce the bill of sale and ill believe what you sold for how much and to whom. until then, you are a meatman, nothing more. once having sold the carcass of a wild animal you shot to a sandwich bar in a rotten area of hollywood is nothing to be proud of.
He is probably some kind of psycho who gets his rocks off watching his stud have sex…Let’s all face it; Rick has some serious ego problems!
Ugh I own a stellar four year old Spanish Mustang colt bred from the Sulphur herd in Utah. He’s never bred a mare has been in training for a year and wont breed a single mare for at least two more years, I want to have him showing and training for several years before I put him to any mares. I deal with Mustang breeders off all kinds and they really drive me insane. I cant tell you how many of these people have little to know riding experience and end up running “breeding mills”. They get wrapped up in the “X-mustang herd is the “most” spanish” crap and just end up breeding horses into junk.
The truth is there are some herds that have some extremely spanish (in phenotype) horses that also have incredible primative colors and markings. sadly like everything else the color gets them in trouble. the problem is mustang lovers often tend to be total fruit loops that like to dress up in “old time Sante Fe Rancho cloths” and talk about cowboys and indians. but good god try to find a mustang breeder than can actually haul their ass on the back of a horse!
i spent twenty years looking for “the one” in terms of a stallion. when this colt was born i said “thats the one” i rode and trained his sire, trained and handled his damm and grand-damm and was extremely impressed. i wanted a spanish horse like they used to be, before OVER SPECIALIZATION ruined breeds. i wanted spanish conformation suitable for cross-breeding (yes i said cross breeding) to specific TYPES of mares to produce offspring with a specific purpose in mind.
the whole thing is really sad because Kigers are really nice horses over all and very athletic with exception VERSATILITY. My American Sulphur colt is slated to be an all-around althlete and i keep that in mind always. hes a broke saddle horse FIRST, a stallion second (cant forget hes a stallion ever =) and a Sulphur(Spanish Mustang) third. if these freakin breeders could pull their heads out of their asses long enough to think that way then they might actually have horses worth something!
spielberg wasnt buying that thing as a FILM PROP and its obvious hes not a horse person. fleecing a non-horsey idiot who wanted a certain look for a project was the greatest thing rick ever achieved – its hilarious that he sees some sort of link between that lucky incident and the quality of ‘his’ horses.
sorry, bad edit. wasnt=was.
I would like to see YOUR horses… I doubt they are perfect..
I have seen all your articles tramping over every one else.. yet I have to see your horses…or let anyone critique them.
If you can’t take it, don’t give it out.
And feel free to tear apart my horse if you want or can find her, your opinion and bias are about as worthless as your posts, IMO.
Thanks.
>>I want to have him showing and training for several years before I put him to any mares.< <
There’s a concept. Good for you!
I do not understand why people are so desperate to breed their stallions at 2. Is it going to kill you to wait a few years and let that colt learn how to do something for a living other than have sex?
Una, if you are talking to me, I posted a lot of pictures of fugly horses I have owned or currently own on July 4th.
I have some rescues, so a lot of what I own is extremely fugly!
serioulsy! id like him to reach full maturity (about 6 years old) before even considering it. if i decide he does make the grade as a stallion prospect cutting him will be no problem. why? because hes a BROKE, obedient and well trained HORSE. ive turned away several Sulphur owners who wanted to breed their unbroke but “wildly marked” mares to him, there were pretty miffed when i said “come back when you have a BROKE working mare thats good at doing SOMETHING”…oh boy they were pretty unhappy with me
“but but she has a tripple dorsal stripe, cobwebbing and bi-coloring!”
/palmface
its really to bad because i know of some Mustang mares with EXCEPTIONAL conformation, great movement, uphill build and wonderful feet. to bad they are unhandled and completly useless only do to owners who are to lazy or to stupid to get out there and train their horses. they just dont seem to understand that i choose horses with a PURPOSE in mind, i bought my colt because he fit my needs. i dont go out LOOKING for a mustang, i was looking for the ONE stallion. he just happened to end up being a Spanish Mustang. but the Mustang breeders are plauged by color breeders and history buffs with no actual horsemanship skillz.
Wow Una has a bug up her bum LOL Hey Princess. FHOTD is the firsy to say she has some dang ugly horses. If you had a clue ( which it is obvious you dont) this is about people breeding when they shouldnt.
When you breed a horse with really bad conformation or attitude or breed horses that you have to give away like this idiot. YOU SHOULD NOT BE IN THE HORSE BUSINESS!!!!!! Dim bulbs like you that run around going “go ahead tear apart my horse” are just not getting it and never will. It is about people that breed lousy horses that end up as dog food because they are idiots. Go back and play in the sand box honey until you grab a clue !!!!!!
Oh I am so getting me some Fugly swag to wear to shows (along with my own “Broke Ass Horse Owner’s Club” shirt) for next year!
You so need a forum, FH, so we can have a thread where we critique our own horses and (hopefully) have everyone else tell us they’re wonderful and we’re just being overly critical because they’re ours!
Jax, I actually think that is an awesome idea!!! I am willing to start and maintain it if you all would like to join and critique each other’s horses. (I am a stay at home Mom so have PLENTY of time to keep it going and updated)We could not only critique our own horses, but also critique horses people are considering purchasing. I can be e-mailed at BrushFireFarms@msn.com if anyone would like to contact me. Please e-mail and let me know how many of you are actually interested in this idea.
patti,
Amish have people sell lots of stuff for them on the internet. The pics in the ad are Mennonites (close, but brighter clothes and no fear of camaras).
Ah ok thanks Shovels…I was beginning to wonder
damn. i was going to go steal their blueprints for the worlds first wind turbine powered laptop and make a fortune.
I HATE when dipsticks come barging into this blog and post things like Una did:
I would like to see YOUR horses… I doubt they are perfect..
I have seen all your articles tramping over every one else.. yet I have to see your horses…or let anyone critique them.
WTF – Una, if you’d bothered to do a little RESEARCH before you go flapping your gums, you’d see that, more than once, FHotD HAS posted pictures of her fugly horses, and many of us have posted links to our own fuglyhorses.( I see you posted a picture of your fugly self. )
For the umpteenth time FHotD has to defend HER SPACE and the purpose of HER BLOG , to some idiot, who probably put in as much research when buying her own horse as she did before posting her stupid remarks.
Una, just shutup and go away if you don’t like it.
Una’s website says: I have won reserve championship and grand championship at Rocky River Riding Stables yearly shows
that’s your claim to fame?….oooowwww, can I have your autograph!!!!
I doubt that qualifies you as a trainer as you proclaim to be.
Hey at least you were smart enough to put a helmet on that kid, but sneakers and shorts for a “trainers” website? Where are pictures of your horses under saddle? I don’t see any? Try again, come back in 20 years!
Yes I woke up cranky this morning! It’s raining – more coffee NOW!
Here’s another irresponsible breeder. (Well, he might not be a breeder, couldn’t find any proof of that)
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-46811
His ads say his farm is full of “live energetic horses.” From the looks of this horse (and others he has for sale) , they ain’t gonna be “live” for long!
interesting how those who say ‘show us YOUR horses’ will never show theirs! unas website doesnt show a single pic of her riding or training… though it does show a cropped halfpic of someone riding in jeans and one of a forehand heavy horse lunging in too-tight sidereins. oh and a kid on a bareback in a halter wearing shorts and trainers O_O
if it looks and sounds like a silly kid, its probably NOT ulla salzgeber *LOL*
Una-
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You’re focusig on the wrong thing. Negativity only gets in the way of learning. By focusing on your preceived negative view of this blog you miss the point of what the blog owner is trying to promote. I won’t tell you what it is; I’ll let the light bulb come one it’s self. Don’t forget to plug into a power source
A more possitive attitude will help you see the light, happy learning.
Now, now, we have to cut Una some slack. We were young once too. However, much of the world is not and therefore will not be impressed by the claim that “We’re a preferred vendor in the Arvada, Colorado Horse Riding Instructor section of NewHorse.com” seeing as how that is something you pay for.
I can have a star named after me, too, doesn’t make me a deity!
In all fairness, at least Una is not on her web site twirling carrot sticks at horses, and she may actually be a good trainer. I don’t know. It’s her reading comprehension we have to work on, or perhaps I just need to add a link to “See my OWN fugly horses that should and WILL never be bred by clicking here!”
luvmyfuglyhorse said…
Here’s another irresponsible breeder. (Well, he might not be a breeder, couldn’t find any proof of that)
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-46811
His ads say his farm is full of “live energetic horses.” From the looks of this horse (and others he has for sale) , they ain’t gonna be “live” for long!
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bah. That horse is not 1200 lbs.
My 16.2hh QH is 1200 lbs, and is definitely definitely a bit more substantial than that 15.3hh “1200 lb” walking mare.
Something just ain’t right here, but I can’t put my finger on exactly what’s wrong with this horse. Other than that he’s about as close to 1200# as that walker that was posted.
http://www.velardevilleappaloosas.com/VelardeStallion.htm
Amber said…
Something just ain’t right here, but I can’t put my finger on exactly what’s wrong with this horse. Other than that he’s about as close to 1200# as that walker that was posted.
http://www.velardevilleappaloosas.com/VelardeStallion.htm
He looks about as long as a limousine, that’s what’s wrong with him. lol.
On another completely unrelated topic…
I found this video on youtube today and found it quite funny. Horses sitting on beanbag chairs… what next?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ugFO71cVdY&mode=related&search=
OK this is the best ad I have read in a long time!! Was an ad for arabians on Equinenow.com
“We have 5 showy girls and 2 handsome boys to choose from. Price is negotiable, price becomes firmer as they age and have more training. Can be registered as half but they are full and have papers to prove it, AHA has crazy rules! Photos available upon request. 2 grey, 3 chestut, liver chestnut and one just sold!!! Uh oh! Better call and come see ‘em quick!!!! Others available”
wow..
also came across a picture for your “Parent of the year”
Pay particular attention to the one with the “FLEX main and tail”!!
http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-43723
Hey I love Duns and Grullas! I own several of them! They are worth five figures….to me…but that doesn’t mean I can sell them for that!
At least I handle my horses!
Una says she doesn’t believe there are “problem” horses…I hate to tell her, she’s wrong. I damn near got killed by a fruit loop of a horse that I knew its entire life, it was NOT abused, it had a screw loose!
Take a look at what the owner of a TWH/Walkaloosa breeding program has up in her herd dispersal sale available at http://www.gaitsofgold.net/
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She demands a 50% non-refundable deposit upfront. The prospective buyer has to pay $100 for mandatory vet inspection BY THE GAITS OF GOLD REGULAR VET! She says she’ll refund “all monies” if horse fails vet exam but doesn’t say if that is $100 or the 50% deposit. Oh, and all prospective buyers MUST buy or already own the patented Gaits of Gold saddle also conveniently sold on the website. Says she has the horses’ best intersts at heart but she doesn’t include a buy-back clause.
Take a look at the price ($7500) for Gaits of Gold Crystal Belle, a 2004 green broke mare.
And $5000 seems a little steep for Northstar Runninwind, an unbroke 6 yr. old Appaloosa stud with no hind quarters, post legs and a straight shoulder. But, hey, he’s got Chief Joseph on his papers and he’s few-spot.
She says all these horses are guaranteed to gait but she’s selling lots of unbroke youngsters and won’t take the horse back or refund the purchase price if it fails to perform.
Honestly, I think that this guy’s horses would have brought better prices if he hauled them to Sugarcreek (slaughter auction in Ohio) than some of the horses that I saw there yesterday. An Arabian “breeder” (I use that term very loosely!!!!) dumped a bunch of hideously conformed, unregistered babies their yesterday and decided to bring their father along and get rid of him, too. I think the stallion brought $30. Imagine what that makes his foals worth!!!! What ARE people thinking?
“Una says she doesn’t believe there are “problem” horses…I hate to tell her, she’s wrong. I damn near got killed by a fruit loop of a horse that I knew its entire life, it was NOT abused, it had a screw loose!”
I was almost killed by a horse who was as friendly as a puppy dog…as long as you were on the ground and not on her back. Not to say I didn’t make any mistakes though. I gripped the reigns as she reared too high and pulled her over on top of me. I think we were both already going down, but it just goes to show what even a “tame” horse can do. I now have a titanium rod and 4 screws in my femur.
Stick around long enough and you will meet horses you can’t fix.
I’m trying to think if I’d met any at her age. Yeah, I’d met one. That horse scared the shit out of me. He was fine if you were trotting or cantering. He’d wait til you were cooling out…he’d wait til you were walking with loose reins. If you had taken your feet out of the stirrups, even better (and no, he wasn’t afraid of loose stirrups otherwise). Then all of a sudden – KABOOM! He’d blow sky high bucking. He scared me to DEATH. I didn’t come off him but I only rode him 3 times and then I told my boss I wouldn’t ride him any more. I still think that was a wise decision. The last I heard, he was 15 or 16 and STILL needed acepromazine to compete. Um, shoulda just put him to sleep at 5, in my never-humble-opinion.
Hey Steph,
Brenda Imus (gaits of gold) has been around a while, and has made quite a little niche for herself. While I don’t care for the requirement of buying one of her saddles, I have had difficulty making prospective buyers understand that their full QH bar saddle WILL NOT fit a Paso! Tucker saddles are not all that great either!
I also don’t agree with her 50% non-refundable deposit, but I do require a non-refundable deposit on horses that I sell. I have had people back out of a sale only to create more work for me having to re-list the horse, etc. I will refund the money if the horse fails the vet check, but that’s they only way. I DO NOT require them to use my vet, but will give them some choices of ones in the area (if they don’t already have one.)
I do know of a trainer that required (at least at one time anyway) his clients to buy an Orthoflex saddle from him (he was conveniently a dealer.) These people also bought the horses from him.
Ouch AJ,
I managed to remain mostly unscathed, but the time he dumped me and I broke my helmet, was the last time I rode that fruit loop! His full sister was the 2004 Specialty Horse of the Year at our Grand National Championship show.
FHOTD, I agree that that horse probably should have been put down. I know I would never want to ride a crazy horse again, OR one on Ace. Depending on the organization, that is (or should be) illegal drugging. That horse that dumped me should be put down, but the owners are still trying to sell him to some unsuspecting buyer as a ride-able horse priced at $2500 (he was $6000 when I was showing him) http://developtech.com/southwind/allegroreg.htm
That’s me riding him back in 2004 (okay, no snarking on my pitiful leg position in the photo!)
The only reason they haven’t sold any horses the past few years, is that they are incapable of riding most of their horses for others to see how they move.
The horse that dumped me was one I was thinking of buying. Needless to say I didn’t buy her. She was sold to some other unsuspecting sucker who later returned her and threatened to sue. The person who owned her (just happened to be a vet!) then sold her as a broodmare.
I forgot to mention she was half spotted walking horse and half quarter horse. Color with attitude to spare.
Did he breed these horses or did they come from the feral Kiger herd???
Una said:
your opinion and bias are about as worthless as your posts, IMO.
So if the opinion and bias are so worthless, why the hell are you wasting your time posting here???
LOL.
Motor, if you follow the link given. it says the foals are by a horse he called “Doc”. I assume it is one of his stallions? I do not think they name the wild stallions.
Not only is that guy not being chewed out by the range of breeders there but he is pretty much glorified from what I am seeing? If I read correctly, someone posted a picture of a stallion of his taken by Bob Langrish and people were drooling!
Also noted that another member has bred a “kirab” – kiger x arab. I happen to know this breeder on “another” level (another forum) and thought she had quite a bit of good sense. At least she uses her horses, though!
“Also noted that another member has bred a “kirab” – kiger x arab. I happen to know this breeder on “another” level (another forum) and thought she had quite a bit of good sense. At least she uses her horses, though! “
The power of the internet!!! You can be whatever you want to be with a little imagination. And boy does she have tons of it. If you think she really uses her horses ask her for a couple of pictures to back up her claims. Bet you won’t get any!
After further research, these horsews RIck is offering for free are the left overs from a Kiger sale he put on recently. He was offering them for 500 for a mare and foal pair and these ones did not sell. He was touting this as the Kiger Sale to end all Kiger sales. In March he knew if these horses did not sell at the sale, he was going to give them away. He was just waiting for them to foal. So these ARE horses he has raised. Most are NOT wild caught. He has just been letting his mares stay wild even if domestic and now is giving them away. YES FHOTD this is irresponsible. This is why I say people do not need to be breeding mustangs in captivity.
ugh….it’s a teeny tiny market…obviously….he is annoying the shit out of me & making me want to change my email address….
Yes people do name wild horses but it sounds like these are “contained” and control bred wild horses rather than range bred wild horses which is why they aren’t handled. Obviously since Darwin isn’t going to be as active in a contained herd the owner has to cull the specimens with problems – physical or mental. It’s totally irresponsible not to. Whether he does this or not I have no idea.
Why is he giving them away?? Well, Sam’s club gives away free shrimp and all sorts of yummy samples to get you to guy more. Sounds like just a marketing gimmick to me. He figures they’re so great that giving a few away will make other people want one. If they are great, it’ll work. If they aren’t – it won’t.
There are a number of examples like this where the range the group ran on is no longer available. Our Florida Cracker gelding came from just such a herd. The owner/protector rounded up as many good specimens of the Florida Cracker horse that he could and put them all on his large acreage in Florida. Some are trained and ridden but most are not. Yes they are very careful about not perpetuating serious flaws and are breeding to the standard of the breed which is Spanish in origin by DNA by the way. Their biggest problem is that Floridians call any mutt horse a Cracker. The average Floridian has no idea how fantastic good representatives of this breed are. They’re worth saving just for their brains and hooves let alone their other great attributes. But yes of course there are ugly individuals which are removed from the breeding stock since again Darwin isn’t going to do it. Although Darwin doesn’t equate beautiful with “the fittest” necessarily.
Motor, I do not think this guy is motivated by culling undesireables, or giving some away as ticklers. Hay has tripled out here in the west and the Kiger market has slowed. These are horses he could not make a buck off and he is giving them away so he does not have to spend any more money on them. I know many things about this particular Kiger breeder, and he is ALL about making an ever loving dollar and stroking his HUGE overinflated ego, rather than preserving the breed or anything else so altruistic. The BLM manages a herd of Kigers for their preservation; Rick manages a herd of Kigers for his personal edification. Heck he even started his own registry for them to make them more valuable.
As for the Amish horses for sale on the internet… somebody is making a killing there. I live near a bunch of Amish and I can guarantee the Amish or Mennonites aren’t seeing much of the money charged for those horses. They actually charge about $500-$700 for a VERY well broke horse. I’ll bet whoever is running that website is also taking care of the money exchanges and keeping much of it for him/herself.
Around here, a local man was making deals to breed his homozygous paint stud to the Amish draft mares to produce… you guessed it… Spotted Sport Horses! He was paying the Amish $500 per foal and charging $3000 when he put them on the internet. The Amish did not know how much he was selling the foals for until somebody clued them in. Now they will no longer deal with him (thank goodness.)
Littleton even has his own registry. He couldn’t get along with the “more” responsible (notice I qualify the term) breeders. Mustang breeders have a tendency to think that, when the market goes into the toilet, the problem is the —–(insert name here) registry. Can’t admit the problem is overproduction of horses? Form a new registry and breed away!
Hi Fellow Fugly Followers!
Sounds like this guy is waiting for the Kigers to come around as the flavor of the week like every other breed has at some point.
In my parts, palomino’s were the must have for a while. Not just of any breed, but PHBA palo’s, then the paints went from ‘dime a dozen’ to high $$$ because they were the fashion trend. Soon after followed by the mini’s and then the gaited group (Walkers / Peruvians / Paso Fino’s, RMH’s, etc.) and now the giant feathered horses (Gypsy Vanners / Irish Tinkers / Drum Horses). I may have missed a few in between, but you get the idea…
I keep watching the ABC’S (Curlies) and waiting for their #’s to go up. I guess the weird coats are too much for some to take, but they seem like good solid, level headed horses. (OMG! What’s that?)
If he waits long enough it will happen. Remeber “What comes around Goes around!” Just look at fashion trends- shoulder pads, bell bottoms, hip huggers, etc.
As for Una the lunatic, the problem horses are out there and with you head inserted so far up there, they are difficult to find, but they are out there.
While ‘doing my time’ at a large Arab breeding farm (I love Arabs and have two, so I am not bashing them) I dealt mostly with stallions and geldings. I preferred them. The only mares I ended up with were the ones that were too ‘bitchy’, crazier than batshit, or flat out NUTS!
One 5 y/o mare (Alex) ran off with the trainer when he buckled the halter around her neck to bridle her- she ended up flipping over with him later, in fact the night of their ‘big sale’, and damn near took a pay phone off the wall using him as leverage. (She had been shown and went CH in her first time out under hunter tack.)
One of the older broodmares (with the oh so awsome bloodlines and terrible conformation) while leading her, would turn her head toward you letting the rope go slack, then bolt away. Too many folks got serious rope burns on their hands trying to hold onto her. I had a Me or You horse, talk with her before ever taking her out of the stall. She never tried it with me.
Another 3 y/o filly, would flip out, over nothing. She would go berserk- usually ending up on the ground.
Reach up to brush her neck and she would go over backwards in the crossties. Touch her as you entered the stall and she would spin around kicking from all angles. She nailed her previous groom in the stomach this way, as the groom was diving onto a corner for protection.
I had her in long lines one day and she was going wonderfully. Stopped her, let her stand and when I asked her to go forward, clucking and saying Walk- she Exploded! She ‘checked out’, went into reverse and her legs went so fast backwards she couldn’t help but go over backwards and tried to take out a wall with her head. The lines were completely slack the whole time- so it’s not like anyone had pulled her over or anything.
She broke just about everything on the bridle and scraped up her head a bit, but stood there looking as if she had no clue what had just happened. (?) Nobody else did.
After they had this filly broke to ride- they farmed her out for that one requiring a signed waiver/release of liability- the trainer told me to ride her down to the covered arena (at the other end of the huge property), to which I flat out told him where to go. I had no problem leading her anywhere- which I offered to do- but I refused to ever get on that horse.
I told him he could fire me over it, but I would not now, or ever ride her, and they did not pay me or anyone enough to deal with that crazy crap.
I seen her several years later in the ring at one of the big 3 shows, where she won her class and went CH. of all things.
as evidenced by the fugly, sport-uselessness of the kiger, they will NEVER ‘come around’.
ride one to grand prix and prove me wrong
why would anyone EVER pay for something they could get for free, no matter how popular?
as evidenced by the fugly, sport-uselessness of the kiger, they will NEVER ‘come around’.
ride one to grand prix and prove me wrong
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So, just how many Kigers have you ridden?
Opinions are like assholes
….everyone has one and it usually stinks.
Kigeranne
For those of you that put down the Kigers I personally not only am I a breeder but I use my Kigers in Endurance Rides you can go to my webpage and check it out at http://www.geocities.com/banbranch you can also check my AERC records have been doing this for a long time.
The Kigers are well versityle horses, is not the horses is the people in this breed that are actually hurting the animals, I don’t disagree that giving Kigers away is hurting the market and the breed, however there is other ways of dealing with this issue besides attacking someone and I am not by any means diffending Mr. Littleton I very much dislike what he is doing
*LMFAO* what an irrelevant question. not being in america or the least bit interested in horses that do NOT excel in sport, the answer is obviously NONE!! just like i wouldnt waste my time riding a QH because frankly i hate the dumpy cows.
im sure kigers are very sweet, perfectly rideable and valid members of our equine society. but sporthorses of quality they are NOT. things rounded up from the wild generally ARENT.
Better check the AERC Records Kigers and Mustangs in general do very well at the Endurance Sport.
But I guess somebody who pretty much has a biast opinion for whatever reason can’t see that. How sad
I’ve met Rick, didn’t like him from the start. I’ve called him about some “free” Kigers he had listed on dreamhorse.com and asked what was wrong with them and why they were free. He refused to send me any pictures of them, but said they were “fine”.
We have mustangs, Kigers and regular range mustangs. Love every one of them. We actually have a couple Kiger mares and would love to breed them. But, we got to thinking about it and there are SO many mustangs that need homes, and we are able to “gentle” them (it is a piece of cake btw, someone said that sarcasticly earlier.) so we aren’t going to be backyard breeders, but adopters.
I don’t have issues with legitimate Kiger breeders, I love the colors and the markings they have, but in Ricks case, he lets his herd of mares run with whatever “stud” he wants to at the time and gets a lot of babies out of it that he can’t do anything, or wont do anything, with. So, overload and whatever pathetic turn out for his “Kiger sale to end all Kiger sales” he ends up giving away a bunch of horses that never should have been born.
OOh, and he did start his own registery. We were wondering which registery to register our mares with and talked to him and KMA, yeah….. KMA is an actual breed registry/club. They have Kigerfest every year, do actual dna tests, have a board of members and an actual working website ect…. Rick is a file cabinet with paperwork, not a whole lot to offer.
At any rate, I hate that he breeds all these horses for nothing more than laziness. Get your damn stud horses separated already. There are enough wild horses in this world that need homes, you don’t need to go and make your own.