Sport horse breeders: Please band together and kick these girls off the island
Aug 09 2007
Thanks to an alert reader for sending this along! This ad is everything that is wrong with “Sport Horse” breeding today. These 2 girls in Massachusetts are trying to sell 3/4ths of an unborn foal for $5700. WTF? It does not even say in the ad what they are planning on breeding her TO. Could be a POA for all we know. Her sire is (SURPRISE!) a NON-approved Friesian stallion. Her dam is identified only as “Paint Mare.” If those of you who breed good Friesian crosses would like for me to stop making fun of your breed of choice, you need to get together and run people like this out of town, preferably with tar and feathers. Their ad text in blue.
Our mare is a tri bay/white tobiano 1/2 Friesian paint cross mare, we are going to be breeding her in early 2008 for an early 2009 3/4ths Friesian cross. Buy unborn foal now and get to name it and pay 1/2 the price that everyone else is paying on 3/4ths already born! 50% chance of pinto coloring! If you buy now you can pick the stallion you want to breed her too, or wait to see what we breed her too! Price vary’s for either Non-LFG or LFG contracts! email for websit. Dam is reg. with FSHR, and will be reg. with AWR, IFSHA, and SHOC.
For real, is there anybody on earth stupid enough to fall for this and pay these dimwits $5700?
They went real covert-like and posted only their first names and their phone number. So of course I googled their phone number, which led me to their byoootiful WYSIWYG nightmare of a site and statements like these:
We had originally wanted to breed pureblooded Friesians and found we could not afford that route, so instead we took our favorite next option of breeding the wonderful Friesian Sport Horses!
NO SHIT! I would never have fucking GUESSED that was your motivation! Thanks for proving my point that most of this faux designer warmblood shit was invented by people who cannot afford a real warmblood, but can’t ride the cheap OTTB that would serve them perfectly well for their low level eventing and dressage pursuits.
We are looking for 1 Purebred Registered Friesian mare not for cross breeding but for a pure foals.
Huh? I need some kind of ignorant-person-who-failed-high-school-English online translator to read these kind of ads. Precisely how are you going to come up with the stud fee for “pure” foals? I guess by selling foals that might exist at some time in the future to beginner horsepeople who don’t know any better.
We will be breeding for all disciplines, such as western, games, performance, dressage, jumping, hunter jumper, hunter flat work, trail ridding, and broodmares!
I just want to know how we go about ridding the horse industry of people like you. Maybe I can send a representative of Pre Paid Legal over to your home and they can convince you that’s a better way to make easy money?
Then I found a picture of the mare whose as-yet-unconceived foal is for sale on Dreamhorse. It’s too small to critique accurately but I do not think I am seeing a hind end that looks like it will produce a whole lot of great “ridding” horses.
She had her first foal by a Gypsy VannerSeriously, did some evil genius create this entire thing just as snark fodder? Please tell me this entire web site, ad, etc. is just a practical joke on me. Please.
Payments can be made for her 2009 3/4th Friesian Cross unborn foal, with 35% down (non-refundable), and then a payment when foal is born and the last payment due when foal is picked up.
OK, back up. You want $1995 down – NONREFUNDABLE – on a foal that has not even been conceived yet? If there really are people this dumb, can you send the ones you don’t want over to me so that at least I can channel the two grand they are ready to flush down the crapper into rescuing and completely rehabbing a couple of OTTB’s that actually exist?
All sales are finial on all horses/foals, there well be no refunds.
Because we will have already spent your money buying more shitty horses and tacky white trash t-shirts. (I know I said I wasn’t going to start snarking on fugly people here, so I would never recommend that you find their web site and check out their pictures of themselves and their family. That would be wrong. Don’t do it!)
OK, I know you will all be just SHOCKED but they also have a fugly cremello Quarter Horse for sale!
she is not registered or tested for the HYPP gene yet, that is why we are asking such a low price for her.
Call 911, my head just exploded and splattered all over. This mare is double bred Impressive, by the way.
It gets worse (truly, worse is possible, we’re not done!) They are trying to sell an unborn foal out of her on an online auction site. Here is the description.
Asking $ 5,000.00 Sir height is : Dan Height is : 14.2hhs Look to see if anybody would be interested in a Buckskin, Palomino, Smoky black Sport Horse. Friesian baby in utero to a cream QH filly, for a 2009 baby. Will consider payments on the baby, now till it is ready to go home to you. You must take what ever she has, colt or filly. Call or email me.
In case you are wondering about the reason for selling this wonderous beast…
…was buying her for a broodmare only, but can not afford to keep her, she is also looking for a good home to nicely bred TB stallion that is for an experience stallion owner!
Translation: Cryptorchid, eats barn help for lunch, not halter broke.
And in case you are wondering what the going rate is for a fugly, stunted, not yet registered, possibly HyPP positive AQHA filly these days…
Asking $800.00 OB(she will come with her breeders certificate) unless we do her registion with testing will be $2000.00 firm.
What irresponsible sacks of selfish shit these people are. It is hard to recall another moment in the history of the FHOTD blog when I have felt like I have been sucked into such a deep vortex of stupid horse ownership and irresponsible horse breeding. Seriously, can someone go over there and convince them there’s a better way to make a buck? Surely one of you knows a rabid Amway distributor? Or pre-paid phone cards? Or Carleton Sheets devotee? Someone, please, please, for the love of Epona, get these people OUT of the horse breeding business!
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HOODSEY – Wow. I cannot agree with you more! Hooray for you! As a Paint breeder whose goals are breeding for the future of the breed, I can certainly understand what you are saying. While Paints are not at all a “purebred” breed, I can sure see that Friesians are, which makes it ever so important to preserve their quality and type. I commend you for being a responsible breeder, and for representing the definition of what a true breeder is.
Paints, well, that’s sort of a different story. Within the Paint “breed”, there are several different types, but basically, they’re a Quarter Horse (stock horse) with a color pattern on them – with the exception of Tobianos, which are not QH in origin at the color/pattern source (unlike Overo). I breed APHA Tobianos and Toveros. They usually don’t excel at halter, since their particular conformation is of a type consistent with the Tobiano gene. That alone says they lack the class. Add in the popular color of black and white, and you’re pretty much doomed before you get started. People bred the crap out of black and whites for color only (Tobiano AND Overos), and ignored conformation. Make those homozygous Tobianos, and you really have an uphill battle trying to create a horse with some semblance of quality. The majority of the Tobianos out there are either cowhorses who can’t do anything else, or just your everyday backyard crap, and those two bear a very strong resemblance to each other. People think that a homozygous Tobiano is somehow worth more because it will only sire or produce patterned foals. With the haphazard breeding of them for color over the last few decades, we now have a market that is flooded with poor quality homozygous Tobiano crap. And you will find hundreds of websites featuring this crap. I can certainly understand your feelings, hoodsey.
Since APHA allows outcross blood from the QH and TB (which is a good thing in my opinion), responsible breeders should take advantage of that. There are some outstanding QHs and TBs out there, and there always has been. The “void†in APHA horses is the lack of quality and class among Tobianos. My goal is to fill that void; to breed Tobianos with quality and class who are exceptional examples of the Paint breed. I have made it a major priority in my life to study and learn all I can about conformation, bloodlines, genetics and types, and after 40 years, will now apply what I have learned to my breeding program. With the trend getting back to the all-around type horse, I believe that creating a quality Tobiano such as this, with exceptional bloodlines, it will most certainly contribute to the breed in the long run.
Someone asked me, “Why do you want to change what a Tobiano is?†My answer to that is since Tobiano is a legitimate color pattern in APHA, and since I find Tobianos lacking the class and quality equivalent to a top QH, my goal is to create Tobianos with the class, elegance, size, substance and overall quality that would stand up to the best of the QHs. Overos already exist that are equivalent to a solid QH. Most Tobianos lack the class, size, substance, and overall excellent conformation that resemble a quality QH. They also lack the consistent top QH and TB bloodlines that would improve them (or at least, maintain them) if bred to each other.
I take my breeding theories and breeding program very seriously, much to the dismay of those who are perpetuating poor quality Tobianos. I’ve been highly criticized for my beliefs and opinions. But in order to reach a goal, we must not let those negative people influence our thinking. There has to be a standard, and that standard must be adhered to. A responsible breeder should do no less.
i think your blog has given their site so much publicity that when i tried to access it i got an error message stating that they had exceeded their daily traffic limit! classic!
Hoodsey- Word.
BUT, here’s a nice Friesian cross. And it’s a painted pony.
http://www.nicopintostallion.com/nico.htm
Herrosir,
Hell yea! lol I’ve seen Nico, and my brother wants one of his get.
I do not personally crossbreed since if a friesian is what I want, then thats what I’ll get, I won’t settle since the foal is neither. However, if you are breeding for a PURPOSE, the go at it! I know some people want the bone of the baroque style friesians but on a frame better dedicated to dressage because well… we all have to agree the friesian’s original harness body did NOT suit dressage. lol But I have trained some amazing friesian crosses, I just personally won’t breed them.
And there are many more, and I’m not biased saying they are aweful or anything, they are neat creatures in their own right, just hopefully, they are bred right and with care.
I love a good TWH but on the subject of them… WTH??? Another find for the Parents’ Darwin Awards. I found this while I was our cruising the net. The STALLION is NOT what I breed to for sure.
http://www.cloud9walkers.com/
Gunsmoke.htm
Oh yeah… you gotta see this also.
http://www.cloud9walkers.com/
SaleBroodmares.htm
Somebody is going to get maimed or killed. You can just see it coming.
You can just have fun with these:
http://www.legacyspottedwalkers.
com/stallions.htm
Breeding a yearling stallion. Not right at all. Color that wrong anyway you look at it.
OH GAWD! I have a huge headache now. Someone pass me a shot. I really need one.
OMG…I see more barbed wire and babies…and another shithole backwoods farm full of fugly ass BYB crap.
Is it too early for a shot or 2 or 3? I think my burgeoning alcohol problem from reading this blog is actionable.
Hee hee…burgeoning…that’s my big word for the day. Hiccup…
Yes, more barbed wire and babies. And I do not see what the child HANGING on the stallion’s neck is supposed to show…other than a need for the equine chiropractor!
OMG!! Just go to the first link for cloud 9 walkers and troll er I mean scroll down the first page?? “SHE DIDNT KNOW WHETHER TO HUG HIM OR RIDE HIM, SHE DID BOTH” noted a little earlier in the caption, it is stated after a work out of 20 mins she hopped on and went..BUT DID YOU HAPPEN TO NOTICE, THIS TRAINER… HAS ON FREAKIN FLIP FLOPS!!! Yah NH!! WOOO HOO
Oh, best part. They have a page on safety around horses. While some of it is valid advice, this made me go WTF?
“17. Safety tip regarding child riders: If your horse is inclined to toss his nose and a child is going to be riding him, put a tie-down on him. If a horse is allowed to toss his nose, he can sometimes flip his bit, and should he decide to run with the bit upside down, a child cannot stop him. An adult friend of mine recently experienced this and now walks with a steel rod in his leg. Some people erroneously believe Walking Horses aren’t supposed to wear tie-downs. (Some also believe Walking Horses aren’t supposed to canter!) Check your old Voice Magazine copies – they had an excellent article on how to use tie-downs awhile back.”
If your horse is inclined to toss his head so far that the shank bit winds up on top of his nose, either
a. his teeth are bad
b. he’s got allergies
c. he’s wearing too severe of a bit
d. the rider’s hands suck
Why not put a horse ridden by a child in a SNAFFLE or a BITLESS and then you will not be having those problems? But no, let’s just tie his head down. We’ll show him!
*shakes head*
Why don’t people understand that they look like fucking imbeciles pulling crap like that? It’s like the 240 lb. 40 yr. old woman with low-rise jeans and a crop top on…DO YOU LOOK IN A DAMN MIRROR BEFORE YOU LEAVE THE HOUSE?? I need a friggin welding torch taken to my corneas to remove the images.
Pouring a double…hiccup.
Hoodsey, I understand the FHANA members extreme dislike toward crossbreeding, and I understand the history behind it, the desire to preserve a rare breed. However, crossbreeding is really not a threat to the purebred, and the FPS (European parent to FHANA for those who don’t know) actually is hurting the breed itself by allowing so few approved stallions. The inbreeding and resulting weaknesses in the Friesian breed is well published.
I love the breed, and am not putting it down, nor am I trying to breed a “cheaper” Friesian, such as the Perchie/Friesian crosses mentioned by one poster. There are several of us cross breeders that understand breeding, and are breeding for a specific sporthorse type.
You state that the Friesian gene is recessive. Not sure WHICH gene you are referring to, but I have found that the Friesian consistently throws better bone and a kinder mind (and for those who are into hair, LOTS of hair, I am NOT a hair fanatic). They usually throw a little hock and knee action into the mix as well – and if you can combine that with the better engagement and shoulder freedom of another sport horse type, and some STAMINA and longevity that is lacking in the Friesian, you’ve got a fabulous dressage or driving prospect.
Of course, you must pick a stallion that has quality characteristics – that does NOT limit the pool to just the FHANA approved breeding stallions (some of whom are crossing under the table though, and turning out some nice crosses themselves). The German registry (and yes, I know they are struggling for some method of survival) actually approves breeding stallions based on a 50 day stallion testing, similar to many of the WB approvals. Those stallions are available for crossing, and SOME (not all) are throwing lovely foals. There are also a few stallions who are not approved but are starting to prove themselves as quality sires.
I’m definately not sticking up for the average back yard cross breeder (or the average backyard ANYTHING breeder), but this blog has really left the impression that the Friesian crosses are not good horses. For those of us with a responsible breeding program, this is REALLY bad. We can’t stop the irresponsible breeders, whether they are FX breeders, Arab breeders, WB breeders, race horse breeders (gawd, I’ve seen some backyard breeders who thought every Tbred they put on the ground was going to be the next Kentucky Derby winner), or whatever breeder.
Friesians cross well with certain breeds. That “recessive gene” may not be the gene I’m looking for. I don’t want a black hairy horse – if that is what I wanted, I’d buy another purebred Friesian (I own two of them). I’ve had good luck with Friesian/Warmblood and Friesian/Morgan crosses. Yes, Morgans – for those who know and understand that breed, they know there is a strong theory that the Morgan is derived from the Friesians in the Pennsylvania Dutch region. They are very similar in type, and breeding type to type is generally a wise breeding strategy. If I knew how to post pictures to this site, I’d add pictures of a few of my horses – I think many of you would be a bit suprised to see what CAN come of these crosses. I also like the Tbred/Friesian crosses – haven’t done one myself yet, but have seen some I’d love to own or claim as my own breeding offspring.
Warmbloods are fabulous athletes (I own several and have ridden many others), but they are generally difficult horses. Even those bred for great minds are nothing like the Friesian, they just aren’t as tuned in to people. To reproduce SOME of that mind – that intelligence, trainability, gentleness – is what many of us are looking for.
By the way Fugly – if you are so dead set against cross breeding, realize that MOST breeds originated that way. There are not many pure foundation breeds, you don’t have to go back very far in Tbred history to find they are all Arabians, and Quarterhorse history to find they were all Tbreds, and Warmbloods, what are they? None of them are purebreds even NOW! They are a huge mix of different stuff, all rolled up into an expensive package, that happened to be inspected as a foal.
Forthefutureofthebreed:
Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The paint industry has taken a big dive in the last 10-15 yrs. I remember when if you wanted a paint the culls started out @ $5,000.00 Now you can get one on every corner for $500.00 SAD.SAD.SAD. I am glad someone is trying to bring the paint standards back up. GOOD FOR YOU!!
HorsePoor said…
Why don’t people understand that they look like fucking imbeciles pulling crap like that? It’s like the 240 lb. 40 yr. old woman with low-rise jeans and a crop top on…DO YOU LOOK IN A DAMN MIRROR BEFORE YOU LEAVE THE HOUSE?? I need a friggin welding torch taken to my corneas to remove the images.
Pouring a double…hiccup.
LOL!!! Totally correct. I am not the smallest person by any means but DAMNIT! Just because they make it in your size does NOT mean you should wear it.
hackney_wonder (I love Hackneys by the way), these so-called breeders and trainers kill me. How can they put pictures doing such stupid shit up on their websites and think it reflects well on them? Just like Mary Jane the peroxided 40 y/o who can’t accept she’s 70 lbs heavier and 20 years older and should not ever wear that outfit in public. It friggin kills me. What the Hell is wrong with people??
Well it seems that I’ve stumbled on to the latest all knowing, all seeing, shit slinging bitch site. Do you actually do anything constructive in your lives or are you just out to make peoples lives miserable with your comments? I can actually say I have never seen such trash written by supposedly all knowing individuals. Let’s see, I can imagine the cell phone stuck to your ear & the latest Dell laptop on your king size bed & let’s not forget that you probably haven’t actually gotten a horse ready to show in the last oh say 10 years. It’s most likely standing ready for you on the side lines when you come out of your diva accessorized 5th wheel trailer, dressed & primped to have a lackey give you a leg up on your horse to go in the ring. Or is it you just have a horse to say you have one at one of the most expensive stables that will board your sorry worthless self. Have you actually picked the manure out of your horses stalls or is it done for you?
Reality check ladies, (I use that term lightly) all the world is not your play pen. Do you think what you write here is actually intelligent or don’t you have anything else to do but post hateful mud slinging.
The Painted Meadows site you are referring to is a legitimate breeding operation. Those stallions have some of the most respected AQHA Foundation bloodlines in the industry as do the mares. So it doesn’t have the latest most modern facilities that show in the photos, so what. Not everyone is as apparently wealthy as you seem to put yourselves up as. This seems to be a working farm stead & hello, some of us do actually work a farm with what we have not with what we were willed or given.
Get a freaking life of your own & leave everyone else’s alone. Or if you really have to have someone to belittle go to your own barn & stay there. I’m sure there is someone there you can hate for some reason.
“Breeding a yearling stallion. Not right at all. Color that wrong anyway you look at it.”
SO wrong. I had a yearling stallion in April. He made a nice gelding
Forthefutureofthebreed – I totally admire what you are doing. I am an overo lover. I just personally like a loud overo or a minimal one, but the horses that have really touched my heart are tobis, so they have a special spot in my heart, too. All my life people have said, “Why did you breed to a tobi? Tobis only make good cowhorses.”
I would like a tobi that could do it all – not just cutting or reining. I love my tobi. He’s wonderful and he’s going to make a nice pleasure horse. Then again, we bred him to a solid bred (my mare) who has kicked some serious ass in halter. Technically, he probably has a sabino gene in there somewhere (she’s a sabino). He exhibits minor characterisitics. I believe that if breeders try and breed nice tobis, there will be good tobis.
Reality check??? What’s that? I live in reality unlike some apparently.
No one on here ever claimed to be all-knowing or all-seeing but we do know shit when we see it, no matter what breed or cross-breed it is supposed to be.
Appwitch – I pick manure every night. Unfortunately it keeps coming back. Damn the luck.
Since you are so interested, I thought I would answer that for you.
Now why don’t you tell me how many horses at the last AQHA Congress or World Show were sired by Irish Love Bar? Since you think those “foundation bloodlines” are so stellar and valuable, you should be able to show me at least one sterling example of them competing at a national level, right?
I did find a whopping two of his get advertised online…one is selling for $1000 (woot! guess someone will be going on vacation to the theme park when that one sells!) and the other is a stallion selling for $2800 which is, and I quote the illiterate moron who owns him now, a “YUNG bay STUD” who, oopsey, is still unregistered because “I SENT THEM IN , THEN HAD TO USE THE MONEY ON MY SICK SON, SO I NEVER PAID FOR THEM.” He is now “GETTEN RID OF BOTH MY STUDS, AS I DO NOT HAVE THE TIME TO DO WHAT I WANTED TO DO WITH THE BOYS, AND I REALLY DON’T WANT TO GELD THEM” (because why?) The good news is that although he “HAS BEEN AROUND MARES, JUST NEVER BRED ANY YET” Hooray! Let’s hope someone GELDS him before that happens.
Your friend’s horses are mediocre in quality, and there’s no point in breeding mediocre horses.
Here’s a tip, direct from someone who also is not wealthy – it costs nothing to pick up poop. You just get out there and pick up a fork. That way you don’t have to put pictures of your foals up on the Internet standing in filth. Amazing how that works, shazam, it’s magic!
“appwitch said:
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Let’s see, I can imagine the cell phone stuck to your ear & the latest Dell laptop on your king size bed & let’s not forget that you probably haven’t actually gotten a horse ready to show in the last oh say 10 years. It’s most likely standing ready for you on the side lines when you come out of your diva accessorized 5th wheel trailer, dressed & primped to have a lackey give you a leg up on your horse to go in the ring. Or is it you just have a horse to say you have one at one of the most expensive stables that will board your sorry worthless self. Have you actually picked the manure out of your horses stalls or is it done for you?
Reality check ladies, (I use that term lightly) all the world is not your play pen. Do you think what you write here is actually intelligent or don’t you have anything else to do but post hateful mud slinging.
The Painted Meadows site you are referring to is a legitimate breeding operation. Those stallions have some of the most respected AQHA Foundation bloodlines in the industry as do the mares. So it doesn’t have the latest most modern facilities that show in the photos, so what. Not everyone is as apparently wealthy as you seem to put yourselves up as. This seems to be a working farm stead & hello, some of us do actually work a farm with what we have not with what we were willed or given.
Get a freaking life of your own & leave everyone else’s alone. Or if you really have to have someone to belittle go to your own barn & stay there. I’m sure there is someone there you can hate for some reason.”
Wow. You have just topped all the other stupid morons that have come here and graced us with their presence.
Speaking for myself, if you think that about me, then you can royally go shaft yourself. I’ve been around horses for 16 years. I have trained and gotten horses to the show ring multiple times, and taken quite a few to championships. I have taken courses in Equine Sciences so that I have the knowledge to back up my experience. Fancy rigs, trainers, leg ups at shows?? Right. Don’t make me laugh!! Showing, fancy rigs and nice horses–hell any horse, are just a dream for me. I have had to save everything I get for my horse endevours, or I am able to trade my skill and knowledge for a chance to work with good horses. None of my personal horses have ever had amazing lines–currently horseless. But I have worked with those that do.
As for Painted Meadows, I don’t care if your horse is descended from God himself, if he looks like shit, is built like shit, and produces babies that look like shit, I’m not going to sing his praises as a stud or in the case of the mares, her praises as a broodmare. It’s just not going to happen. Breed shit to shit and that’s what you’re going to get.
*GRRR!* I am so mad right now I can’t even finish this. People like you are the reason I have such a lack of faith in humanities ability to save itself from STUPIDITY!!!
For the Future of the Breed:
I’m a paint lover and would love to learn more. I don’t breed and don’t intend to. Just want to learn more about paints. Would it be possible for us to email privately?
APPWITCH – Those “reference sires” on your friend’s website are all poor quality crap! Any crap horse will have some faint ancestor who is well known. That does not make the horse quality! Those stallions are junk. Not a one of them would hold up against competition in ANY event at their respective breed shows. They lack class, quality, bloodlines (and I didn’t even look them up – it’s obvious), and they all need to be gelded. You’d better learn some more before you go sticking up for someone who doesn’t know their ass from a hole in the ground.
Ooohhh…. I almost forgot.
I do know what it is ilike to get horses ready, show them, take care of them, etc. I am an AOT. That includes the pony in my pic.
For the Irish Love Bar offspring ad, here ya go:
http://www.freehorseads.com/
class/text.php?adnum=70788
I am ecstatic to see that is not from here in the South. At least someone else is drawing attention elsewhere. LOL!
Thanks, spinningpeppy, gymkhana, and colorisnteverything. I appreciate that.
gymkhana, as far as communicating privately, I’d be happy to, although I’m not sure how to go about that. The best advice I can give you is to study everything you can about Paints (and the QHs and TBs behind them). If you’re not a member of APHA already, then join, and subscribe to their breed journal. There is a lot of information on APHA’s website, too. Also, you can make an appointment and visit any number of top Paint breeders and ask questions. Go to Paint shows in your area and meet people, and again, ask questions. Best of luck to you.
For the future of the breed: You can email me at got.horses@yahoo.com
This is the problem I see with these “breeders.” They are seriously asking too much money for a not-yet-conceived foal. Maybe they do have good intentions, but they need to do some research into what a 3/4 Fresian is selling for. I personally was able to purchase an FPS/FHANA registered, pure bred Freisian filly for close to the same price they are asking for their cross. It is possible to purchase a pure bred Freisian for a reasonable price if you do a lot of research and have some patience. As for their using a double Impressive bred, not-yet-tested for HYPP mare for breeding… that’s just inexcusable. I would beg these people to get that mare tested before even thinking about getting her in foal. There are just too many people out there who own Impressive bred horses who put the claim that, “well, the horse has never shown any symptoms of HYPP, so therefore she must be N/N”, and that is pure bullshit. I put a deposit down on a beautiful Appaloosa colt years ago that I was hoping to use as my next herd sire. His dam was Impressive bred. I demanded that the colt be tested for HYPP, as his dam hadn’t been. I was told by this “breeder” that the mare never exhibited any symptoms, and her previous foal had been tested for HYPP and was N/N, so she had to be N/N also. Well guess what? The foal came back testing N/H for HYPP. Luckily for me, she did give me back my deposit, and luckily for the breeder, this finally made her pull her head out of her ass and have the mare tested… and of course, she was positive for HYPP. I do have to commend her, she did stop breeding the mare, but by the time she finally found out that she was HYPP positive, guess what… she was already back in foal. I see no problem with cross breeding a Freisian, but stay the hell away from Impressive bred horses. That damn bloodline has already ruined so many good breeds. There are a lot better bloodlines out there to cross to and there is no need to risk putting that defect into another breed.
SHESHAI – There is no need to “stay away from Impressive bred horses” if they are HYPP N/N. Not that I agree crossing one with a Friesian, but still. Negative is negative, and the defect stops there.
“when you come out of your diva accessorized 5th wheel trailer, dressed & primped to have a lackey give you a leg up on your horse to go in the ring.”
You’re so right. I have the best lackey ever! Strong, reliable, multi-tasking, and never bitches about the heat or the rain. And he’s always hanging around, waiting for another assignment. Yep. Good ol’ Mr. Bucket. Always there when I need him.
tee hee hee
gymkhana, you have mail.
Hi
Can I ask you guys, what makes you think you can do this to people and their horses? Don’t you know how much it hurts people when you accuse them of being a scam artist or a scumbag? Anyway I just wanted to let you know that I know this lady you are making fun of. And I have to say it does appall me that you are doing this to her, she is a very nice women who I have done business with for the past 3 years and have had no problem with her selling or buying a horse from me. In fact I bought my first horse from her and it was a ½ Friesian sport horse mare as a two year old and she is a great mare and still a great mare, my 12 year old rides her in eventing and hunter flat work and she usually always takes the 1-3rd place at the shows. But I have to inform you that you need to know your facts before you just start ripping into people and their horses. One thing her trainer told her to put the ad up and see if she got any positive interest in the unborn foal. She wasn’t asking for money before the mare was bred and confirmed in foal, and she never touches the money until the horse or foal is completely paid off. She as for a non-refundable down payment cause she got royally screwed by this one other lady who backed out of a signed contract deal for an already to leave the farm foal and then wanted her money back at the last second. Well it was the first she ever sold a horse and yes she did spend the money cause she believed it to be a done deal cause she had the money up front. Well the lady tried to sue her for it, but the court ruled in my business acquaintance favor or for simple minds the lady you are ripping apart. No her horse isn’t a 20-50 k sport horse, but she is a very nice mare and had good confirmation and no the picture she has on her website isn’t the best, and she did not breed the mare to a Vanner the original owner of the mare bred her to a Vanner and she is in MI right now, my business acquaintance hasn’t even gotten the mare yet. Like I said her trainer told her to put the ad up to see if anyone would be interested to help pay for training and that is all, it was not a scam. As for her Cremello I went and helped her buy that poor little thing. That mare was almost dead when we rescued her from IN. It took us over $1,300 in vet bills just to get 250 lbs back on that mare, and I have to say I think she looks just fine for being almost dead when we got her during the winter. So I have to say please check your facts before you start ripping into people please its not fair to them, and it wasn’t right that you where taking her information and twisting and taking out of context what she said in her ads or website.
Thank you
I have an Impressive mare and she is in foal now. She was not tested when I bought her and was 3-legged. I took a HUGE chance on this mare. I tested her BEFORE I bred her. She is N/N. Impressive is a good ways back on her papers but I was going to be on the safe side. I bred her to a AAA running horse out of FL. He is AAA in (5) distances and has produced several AAA horses and numerous barrel horses.
It bothers me to no end why the halter horse people keep breeding positive HYPP horses. They don’t care if they die before the reach 10 as long as they get to the futurities. I don’t really like halter horses anyway but that is just my opinion. My mare has a lot of performance blood in her to and she was an accomplished calf roping horse before she got hurt.
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Per Kody: “or for simple minds”
Priceless.
Kody and appwitch – you’re funny. Please post more.
Why is it that the only people who complain are those who know/are friends with the irresonsible breeders?
The more these people open their mouths, the worse it gets (KODY).
“she is a very nice women” ???
“but she is a very nice mare and had good confirmation“
I rest my case.
“and she is in MI right now, my business acquaintance hasn’t even gotten the mare yet.” ???? She’s asking for money for a mare she doesn’t have yet, for a foal that hasn’t been conceived yet?
“That mare was almost dead when we rescued her from IN.” So your acquaintance thought it best to breed her? Her HYPP status is UNKNOWN, but your acquaintance is going to breed her anyway?
Your acquaintance deserves all the comments she’s been getting. It IS entirely possible for STUPID person to be a “nice women”.
Despite Kody’s commentary…I still think that this lady’s license to breed should be revoked. Sorry the reasons for breeding still aren’t good enough.
spinningpeppy said…
I have an Impressive mare and she is in foal now. She was not tested when I bought her and was 3-legged.
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What? 3 legged? She looks 4 legged to me.
hoodsey – thank you for your post, you said everything i wanted to without the swearing, screaming and foaming at the mouth my reply would have entailed!
NO CROSSING FRIESIANS PEOPLE. i mean it. none. i dont care what your excuse is. not with TBs, not with fucking paints, not with next doors prize chihuahua. you are DESTROYING THE BLOODY BREED.
Spotted:
HAHA!!
You know what I meant. She had a capped hock that no one bothered to care for they just dumped her @ an auction barn. See it even happens to good horses just because people are irresponsible idiots!!!!
Oh and after 8-months of care she is sound!!! I have even rode her lightly. I would never rope off of her again though because it scares the hell out of me to think it would hurt her!!!
I’m just going to respond to this part, since every single angry post starts out with some variation of it:
“what makes you think you can do this to people and their horses?”
Freedom of speech. It’s not that I think I can do this, I can do this. I am free to state my opinion of your horse, your house, your taste in music, your politics and the fact that purple spandex capri pants are not a good look on you. You can do likewise to me.
3rd grade social studies. I attended, did you?
Kody, you’re screwing around with us right? You cannot be serious. LMAO.
Kody, I can post whatever I chose, whether it bruises egos or offends someone-thanks to the founding fathers of this country.
Let’s see: Selling something they don’t have possession of, and haven’t even the knowledge to choose a stud for-sounds like a FRAUD to me.
And what kind of person would breed, without TESTING, an Impressive bred mare? Someone who is callous and stupid-which in most anyone’s books equates to scumbag.
Get over it, your “business” buddy is only good at blowing smoke.
Wasn’t there someone here a while ago who admitted to breeding two confirmed frame horses together KNOWING about OLWS, because they thought it was ‘worth the risk’?
I remember it being said, but I don’t remember by who. I think THAT is inexcusable.
KYANI – There are several Paint breeders I know of that breed OLWS to OLWS. They believe it increases their odds of getting a RR (colored) foal.
Personally, I would never breed a positive to positive. I test all of my horses, and recommend that mare owners test their mares before breeding to my stallion.
Well hell it’s nice to see you all took the bait, I’m amused.
As for being in the horse life, I got my first at age 12 & have worked, rode, shown & ground worked my own ever since so I think I do know a “tad” about the business. Having worked with a trainer who had a Masters in Equine Nutrition & Reproduction for 4 yrs. I believe I know a bit on the subjects. No I have never gone to a world class show because it doesn’t interest me in the least because of the politics & how the so called top trainers will do anything to an animal for a win.
I’m just an old 54 year old witch who doesn’t like to see honest hard working people trashed in public. You cry freedom of speech & it’s your god given right to say what ever you want, your right, go right ahead. The old saying is “What goes around, comes around”. Who’s to say someone wouldn’t do the same to your horses, web site, barn or any stock you may have. When you get done a new subject for your Blog could be on the 4-H young people who haven’t gotten up to speed in your enlightened opinions on what type of horse they should have or equipment that they probably can’t afford yet or don’t really care about but damn they do love to death that ol’ grade horse or a cast off registered animal that they could afford even if it is butt ugly. Yep, I have opinions on, Warmbloods, AQHA, ApHC & APHA’s & their OLWS, line breeding, HYPP & breeders who breed for anything but I don’t think I need to trash them on the internet. Yes, I do know the owner of Painted Meadows & glad to call her a friend. If you all don’t like her stock, well hell don’t look at it, what pleasure do you all get by trashing a person you don’t even know? If you really want to do something useful, go after the breed Associations that allow genetic defects to still be bred & registered. Have every horse with Impressive lines be tested for HYPP status & the rules changed for the N/H & the H/H horses being bred & registered (tho someone with a live brain did pass a ruling on the H/H’s), every APHA for OLWS, etc. Attend horse shows & check in on the abuse of Walkers & Saddlebreds, check the “after hrs. training sessions” of the QH’s & Apps at 2am & take photos to give to the stewards.
Get a life, honey you can’t even imagine the life I’ve led for the past 15 years so don’t even go there. I’ll just take my roman nosed, no mane App gelding (got a problem with that?) & have a nice quite ride. Yes, I do get my own horses ready for a show or ride & pick shit in the stalls that need it, or what ever else needs to be done. White Trash was someone’s comment I think not, maybe you all should take a good look in the mirror & see what really looks back with some of your posts hanging in the back of your mind. Oh, by the way I do consider myself as a Backyard Breeder. Some of those great ancestors came from someone’s backyard farm.
Have a great evening, it’s not worth being here.
appwitch – So. . .you think that it’s a good idea to intentionally breed horses with poor conformation that may likely end up going to slaughter because they lack the basic ability to excell in any given discipline?
That’s what it sounded like to me.
What an idiot.
kyani said…
Wasn’t there someone here a while ago who admitted to breeding two confirmed frame horses together KNOWING about OLWS, because they thought it was ‘worth the risk’?
I remember it being said, but I don’t remember by who. I think THAT is inexcusable.
That was acme, from Arizona. (chair horse person)
Here is a nice sporthorse (Friesian x Holsteiner) http://www.proudmeadows.com/crossbreeding.asp I’ve been to this farm, nice horses. Notice the very professional website? If a trainer told that lady to put up a site like that, shame on her! I wouldn’t advise any of my students to post pictures like that. Can’t they get a halter on that thing and clean it up? Even a fugly horse looks better braided, clipped and clean. It doesn’t have to be a professional photo but stand the horse up so a buyer can see it. For example, medium priced horse, not a pro pic but the horse is clean and in a well fitting bridle. http://agdirect.com/scripts/hrsdetl.exe?1185668369&0
Here’s another ad, the horse is the same price as the first: http://agdirect.com/scripts/hrsdetl.exe?1164586075&0
Which horse looks more expensive?
DUH!!
I disagree, friesianx, the KFPS is not being hurt at all by its lack of approved stallions. There is a reason you are supposed to check out certain stallions inbreeding coefficients. The German registery will approve just about anyone who can AFFORD the stallion testing. KFPS disapproved Krist for example, and for obvious reasons, so what did the German registery do? Gobbled him up! By having our few approved stallions its not like the breed is going extinct. If we let crap in, its going to turn out like any other registery. We are unique and if that doesn’t float your boat, clearly the KFPS is not the registery for you. We have some WONDEFUL new stallions approved in American. Right here in CA for example.
Just to list a few awesome up and coming stallions, we have the ever popular Heinse 354 here in American now. Grandus 356 and Gerryt 360. Maiko 373 and Windand 405.
And I don’t hate crossbreeds, I’ve had the honor of working and training many amazing friesian crosses, but if I’m going to breed, I’m going to go for purity.
An open comment to the “friends” of people posted on this site:
If you put something on the internet, people will see it. If people see it, they may have a reaction to it that is not what you would prefer. FHOTD and the commenters here are not sneaking up to your friend’s barn and taking pictures with a telephoto lens. Making these images public was a choice that your friend made. Once she made that choice, she forfeited the right to expect everyone who saw the pictures to like what they saw.
If the picture somehow misrepresents the quality of the horse in the picture, or the quality of the care it receives, or the owner’s knowledge of basic safety around horses…perhaps that photo shouldn’t have been posted on the web for people to see? Unflattering photos of me exist. Photos of me doing stupid things exist. Photos in which my property appears poorly cared-for exist. I choose not to make these photos public. Perhaps you should advise your “friend” to do the same.
Hey did anyone go to that site Lighthouse Farms today this is what it now says LOL
Move site due to slander, harassment, and just plain rude people.
Hoodsey, every registry is “unique”. I have nothing against FHANA/FPS, but it is pretty well shown that the beautiful Friesian breed was weakened due to inbreeding, which is WHY FPS started documenting inbreeding coefficients. Like the royals of old time (inbreeding resulted in “blue blood” or hemophilia, and other heriditary weaknesses), inbreeding to preserve “purity” actually resulted in weakening the horse. Some of the issues seen in the breed are shortened life spans, increase in torsion colic, andohidrosis (not sure if I spelled that one correctly, inability to sweat), poor semen quality, and structurally, weak loin and stifle (even in the APPROVED stallions, ask how many have had their patellar tendons worked on).
I do love the purebreds, but also realize their weaknesses. A geneticist who was actually a big name in the FHANA world, experimented with cross breeding exactly because of the weaknesses she saw (and of course, because of her professional knowledge in genetics).
There are some lovely stallions – but, the politics and money are JUST as important in FPS as they are in FHS (my apologies to those who don’t follow all these Friesian stuff, there are two main registries ALONG with all their “secretarial arms” or subsidiaries). You can’t get a stallion approved in FPS unless you have MONEY and CONNECTIONS, don’t kid yourself. And keeping a stallion approved has a lot to do with MONEY too. If you can afford a herd of Ster and Model mares, you are much more likely to end up with nice offspring.
FPS is much more like a classic Warmblood registry – a horse who can perform in the 50 day testing (don’t kid yourself, it is not easy, and horses are not always approved)is approved. For those of us who want performance horses, that is important.
I am happy that people like you want to breed purebreds, what I don’t like is that people DO get out here and put down crossbreeds. Some of us really are responsible breeders with a breeding goal in mind. We are breeding performance horses and think the use of Friesian blood gives back to the warmblood what too many people are breeding out now. Warmbloods are being bred to be hot and sensitive and light (they look more and more like Thoroughbreds), and the Friesian quickly improves the mind and bone, and adds what the old style Warmbloods never had – a love of people. That personality trait is not recessive.
Most crossbreeders are not hurting the Friesian breed – they aren’t using up purebred mares. And the responsible ones are picking quality stallions that wouldn’t make it to FPS approved status because the owner is not interested, or doesn’t have the money to campaign in Holland, or doesn’t like the politics of FHANA, or the bloodlines already exist in the small pool of approved stallions (FPS generally doesn’t allow too many related stallions in at the same time), or because the owner BELIEVES in crossing their horse, or one of many other reasons.
I’ll leave this thread after this posting – would be happy to continue a private dialogue, but my goal is really just to point out that Friesian crossing is not a crime, there are responsible breeders and high quality horses out here, a nice cross is like a nice Warmblood (a cross of sport horses that creates a sport horse), and we don’t all deserve to be lumped in with a handful of irresponsible breeders.
Oh, and in some cases, people on this board get pretty unprofessional and make personal attacks, and they ARE hurting other people’s feelings. Some of what is said here is quite wonderful, but some of it is just plain bullying, and it is too bad that it gets to that level.
Kody said: “Like I said her trainer told her to put the ad up to see if anyone would be interested to help pay for training and that is all, it was not a scam.”
So a “trainer” told your friend to advertise for a unconceived foal from a mare that she does not even own yet in order to pay for the training of the unpurchased mare? What? That does sound like a scam. Earlier in your post, you say that your friend will not touch the money until the foal hits the ground. That is a load of crap. Sounds like the money will not only be used to purchase the stud fee, but also to put training on her mare. Gee, I hope that the mare doesn’t slip or abort.
So the site is off line? Remember nothing dies in cyberspace
Go to http://www.archive.org and look up any site to see their history and progression 
My first time posting here, I love your blog FHOTD! I’ve learned so much. See below too.
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.lighthousefarms.zoomshare.com/0.html
oooo thank you for the link! I’ve been trying to find them for some time now
and as for the links of the reference sires, I like the first black horse. I would never breed to him, but he’d make a nice little gelding.
oh, and I love how the breeder gives links to Hogwarts School Of Harry Potter Fans
Okay. Double Impressive bred. Indeed. I went into my local feed store. Chatting with clerk. “I just got the bargain of the year… Oh….. mare, in NC, gorgeous, cheap, of course I have to ship her out here….. of course, SHE IS HYPP H/H” Whaaaaaaathefu…..???? Picking my jaw up off the floor, trying to be polite, I say, “Well, if she’s medically controllable and you’re not going to breed her…” OF COURSE, I’M GOING TO BREED HER.. THAT’s WHAT WINS. ALL OF MY PAINTS ARE HYPP N/H.
There are no words….
Just a short note FriesianX:
I do love the purebreds, but also realize their weaknesses. A geneticist who was actually a big name in the FHANA world, experimented with cross breeding exactly because of the weaknesses she saw (and of course, because of her professional knowledge in genetics).
If you are refering to the person that I think you are (and I am sure that you are)…this comment is total bullshit.
If you only knew the person that you were referning to, you would never give that person the credit that so many people do.
That person is not at all what they would appear.
QUALITY FRIESIAN SPORTHORSES
These two farms have the nicest Friesian Sporthorse stallions I’ve ever seen:
Hidden Promise Sporthorses http://nicopintostallion.com/nico.htm and
River Oaks Farm http://www.riveroaksfarm.net/Stallions.html
You can also learn more about the Friesian Sporthorse by visiting http://www.fshr.org
Earlier this year the white Friesian cross stallion Nero set the breeding world buzzing when he appeared at Equitana. That story is here http://www.eurodressage.com/news/focus/foc_nero.html Another interesting website for Friesian crosses http://www.barockpinto.com (click on “Deckhengste”, the site unfortunately is not in English). Of course there are also many more examples to be found using google, but these links will give a start for someone interested in learning more about the breed.
On a side note, Friesianx and Kerry have made some very good valid points and they clearly have a good understanding of the theory behind Friesian crossbreeding.
On another side note, I am in no way associated with poster “wolf” (or anyone like poster wolf) the similarities in screennames is purely coincidental.
OMG!!! what is wrong with these people!!!!!! I ADORE both Paints and Fresians but surely noone in their right mind would breed the two!!!!!!!!!!! *grumble*