When will it end?
Jul 24 2007
Update: see Monday for Monday’s “new” post. I started writing it on Monday and it posted as Monday even though I published it today. Sorry, a Blogger genius I am not.
The promised “real” post is in progress, but in the meantime here’s today’s detour into the land of crazy, irresponsible horse breeding. Can I go put banners in front of their farms saying “The National Kill Buyer’s Association Thanks You For Doing Your Part To Keep Up Our Supply!” ???
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$200 and up Herd Reduction – 17 horses Vernal, UT 84078 – Jul 23, 2007 My husband passed away and now I just have too many horses to care for alone. These are good horses at excellent prices – some are grade and some are registered. The moms are pretty skinny right now. (in JULY? wtf? What, are they on a 1 acre dirt lot?) Daisy – beautiful 4 year old palomino mare, grade pasofino/thoroughbred/quarter, broke to ride, but hasn’t been ridden in several year (when the hell did you break her? Oh, of course, 16 months, right?) = $200 Tawny – registered sorrel overo paint filly, coming 2 year old, blue eyes, should mature at about 15.2 hands, halter broke – $350 Nyla – Unregistered Spanish Barb mare, exposed to SMR/AIHR dun stallion for 2007 foal, 15.1 hands – big sturdy mare with a gentle, loving personality, halter broke – $300 OBO dun filly on side – $100 with mom Cappacino – Spanish mustang/appaloosa cross long yearling filly, bay, may color as she gets older, sweet disposition, – should mature at 14 to 14.1 hands – $200 OBO Sierra – Registerable Spanish mustang mare, 14 hands, sweet but a little shy, has not been halter broke – $200 OBO Peaches – Registerable AIHR zebra dun yearling filly, should mature at 15 to 15.2 hands, she is already a big beautiful girl with a great mind and wonderful disposition, ready to start (yearling, ready to start? Bing, bing, I guessed right about their training philosophy!) - $300 Midnight – yearling registered black and white varnish Appaloosa colt; sweet disposition; halter-broke – $200 Snowman – Pure white long yearling Mustang stud colt; amber eyes; should mature about 14-14.2 hands; personality plus; loves his behind scratched, ready to start – $500 Dash – registered 2 year old Appaloosa gelding; he’s a pocket pony; loves attention – $400 Trixie – Registered AIHR 6 year old blood bay Mustang mare; bred to SMR/AIHR zebra dun stallion for 2007 foal, she was an orphan foal that my husband raised and loves men – $300 dun filly on side – $100 with mom Clover – 4 year old Sulphur Spanish Mustang Mare – Dark grullo – Not bred (Thank you, Jesus!) – $200 Shasta – Mustang filly- Black with Chrome – 9 months – $200 Bonnie – Registered Appaloosa filly – 4 year old – broke to ride – loves to go $900 Smokin’ – Registered AQHA black gelding – 4 years old – broke to ride – very gentle – probably make a great kid’s horse as he matures – $500 Star – weanling stud colt, zebra dun, may go grullo (what do you have there, the Harry Potter Magikal Color Changing Sword? He’s either a dun or a grulla, the two colors are totally different) , ready to go end of August – $200 Celine – weanling filly, zebra dun, may go grullo, ready to go end of September – $200 Hopscotch – weanling filly, zebra dun, ready to go end of August – $200
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Got a migraine yet? It gets better.
Beautiful Egyptian Arabian mare 12 years 14 1/2 hands – $250
Reply to: sale-379367005@craigslist.org : 2007-07-21, 10:25PM PDTHorse for sale (Egyptian Arabian , mare)Beautiful Egyptian Arabian horse for sale. She is about 12 years old and has never had a halter on her, though she has been in a trailer at least once. (’cause we know she wasn’t born here, hell if we know how someone got her here. She come with the farm when me and Maw bought it.) She has mainly been a pasture ornament for the last four years. (Mainly? She’s not even halter broke. WTF else has she been, unless of course you bred her, which I suspect with GREAT horror from looking at her that you did.) She has a beautiful gate (I’m sure she has a beautiful fence, too, otherwise she would have left and found better owners by now) and is certainly show quality. (Are you on crack?) She is so pretty when she runs. (They don’t have a show class for “bolting in fear at the sight of humans.”) Perfect for someone who has time to train her. (And excellent health insurance!) She is friendly and loves attention. (As long as you are carrying food and don’t try to touch her)
All joking aside, I feel awful for these horses.
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The reason I don’t like the term ‘overo’ (and therefore ‘tovero’) is because it’s misleading and inaccurate.
While many people use it as such, ‘overo’ does not equal ‘frame’. Overo is a term from the time when people did not distinguish between the various patterns, except tobaino. ‘Overo’ simply means ‘a paint pattern that isn’t tobiano, and actually officially covers splash and sabino (I’m not sure if it covers rabicano) as well as frame. Someone referring to a ‘tovero’ horse could have a horse with frame, or without, and while testing SHOULD always happen anyway, such misleading terms shouldn’t be used in the vicinity of LWOS.
Unless you’re referring to the ‘overo patterns’, or talking to someone who knows for sure that overo = frame in that conversation, the word should be abandoned as antiquated.
But I’m picky like that.
Here is my offering. First, she can’t seem to make up her mind on why she wants to sell them. Also, check out her daughter…….. fun stuff.
http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1045725
Oh, and don’t forget……….
http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1041269
kyani – There’s nothing “misleading” or “inaccurate” about the terms “Overo” or “Tovero”.
In the beginning of APHA, there were 2 coat patterns: Overo and Tobiano. To this day, a colored Paint horse would fall into one or the other category.
Within Overo are three other known different Overo types: Sabino, Frame, and Splash. APHA doesn’t distinguish these, nor do they designate them as such on a horse’s registration papers.
Tovero (ex. Tobiano/Overo or Tob/Ovr) is a combination of Tobiano, with one or more Overo characteristics or genetics.
I wouldn’t say the terms are misleading, but you need to fully understand the genetics of them. APHA is not all-knowing when it comes to assigning color and coat patterns to Paints. They’ve been known to botch quite a few of them, even to this day. A breeder needs to know and understand the genetics of what they have, and go from there. There are many Tobianos with Overo genetics behind them, but they’re not necessarily registered as Toveros. Knowing what is behind your horse is the key. (Unless you own a Paint gelding who won’t be breeding on).
If you’re breeding, testing any of the Paint patterns, (or Quarter Horses and Thoroughbreds) for OLWS is the smart thing to do because they all can carry OLWS. All Frame Overos are OLWS positive, but not all OLWS positive horses are Frame Overos.
For anyone who wanted an update on the 6 Standardbred crosses… a couple of women approached the owner to see if she would sell the horses to them instead of to the dealer (likely shipping to Canada after that). She refused to sell them, insisting that God ordered her to send them to slaughter as a test of her faith. Now I am God fearing but this lady sounds plain fruity to me. Nonetheless the horses will be picked up by the dealer tomorrow. NOW, these ladies have not given up, they have approached the dealer to see if they can negotiate a side deal to keep the horses off the meat truck. We’ll see what happens tomorrow I guess. Poor bastards. They’re innocent victims of yet another asshole.
Hi…I haven’t posted here before…I was just shown your blog the other day by a good horse-friend. I must admit…you have a great eye for faults and conformation! I applaud you on this….some people don’t know which end to halter, let alone what problems the horse may have. I like the way you are ‘tellin it like it is’ to those “breeders” that breed anything! again I applaud you…(thank-you)!! in my horse world, the Appaloosa world, and I have been into Appaloosas for over 35 years, there are many ‘foundation breeders’ that can’t see beyond the ‘spots’….now there is ‘FUGLY’!!!!!!! (God help the Appaloosa!)
I am grateful for you trying to send a message to these ‘breeders’ on how they are setting the table with horse-meat!
but……..
Its not all the small dumb-assed breeders that are over populating and feeding the foreigners with their FUGLY rejects….its also the big ranch breeders that throw a stallion or four out with 200-300 mares for 200-300 foals in the following spring! Then they have their ‘BIG’ ranch sale mid summer, throw a broke ranch gelding in or two to attract the public’s attention, put ‘Dispersal’ and ‘Ranch Sale’ ades in the QH Journal (as most of whom i am talking about are QH breeders) and have a sale. Now, we all know they aren’t going to sell all 200-300 babies, and all babies aren’t going to be gorgeous show prospects…lets be real here….soooooo…what then happens to the rest of these no-sale babies and possibly a ranch horse or two?
They go to slaughter, thats what!!
These BIG breeders make a profit or have a sale for anything they breed and they breed anything they have and hundreds of them every year! ‘THEY’ are who keep the horse-meat on the table! The few FUGLY’s from small breeders are a drop in the bucket compared to what these BIG breeders produce and provide to slaughter houses! Why do you think the AQHA is pro-slaughter? The whole association is run by these same breeders! Without the slaughter houses….what do they do with all the no-sale rejects? and… God forbid, their yearly incomes would certainly go down too!
Its not all the small breeder who contributes to the unwanted horse issue…nor the slaughter issue…after the BIG breeders, its a wonder that the small breeder, of quality stock, has a market left to sell any of their horses!
This slaughter, unwanted horse issue is mainly the fault of the large, greedy, to hell with everybody, BIG QH Ranches that breed hundreds of mares each year without concern for the horse but only for their greed and end of year profit!
Wait a few more years….because of them, the small breeder will no longer exist…we are slowely being wiped out by glut and greed. If you would like to see examples…..get your hands on a QH Journal….check out the ranches, their sales, the amount they have consigned at the sale….see how many of these ranches there are in the Journal….and…remember…the no-sale ones won’t be that FUGLY (not as bad as what i’ve seen here, anyway) either…they’d make a lot of horses out there look ‘FUGLY’! But these same no-sale babies and horses (most, quality bred) will be horse-chops soon after the ‘Dispersal’…’End-of-Summer-Ranch Sales’. For the sake of the horse….these are the people that need to be stopped!
nicole- Appaloosas can ‘color out’ at almost any age. I have seen them ‘spot out’ as 5-6 yr olds when the summer before they were solid in color. Its a well know Appy trait. Some are born with their color, some ‘roan’ out with age, some color out with age.
some change so completely by the time they are 2-3 yrs old, that their papers with new pictures have to be resubmitted for a registration update.
forthebetterofthebreed:
Yes, my paint is a gelding and I won’t be breeding him. He’s 11 years old and has been registered as a red roan Tob-Overo since I got him (when he was 3). I spoke to the woman at the APHA office and explained the new term of “bay roan” and informed me it was recently “approved” as she called it. I’m ordering a kit from UC Davis as I’m interested to know anyway and so I can change what his papers say.
I breed percherons and friesians on the side. My paint is just my little side riding partner.
Don’t study much into their registeration. lol
Technically all OLWS positive horses ARE frame overos – it might just express very minimally.
The fact that overo stands for 3 differents things, one of which can be lethal, it what makes me think it is inaccurate and should be replaced by the correct specific terms.
I know registries etc. hardly ever refer to things correctly. Hell, I’m in the UK – the welsh registry technically bans all pinto patterns when splash and sabino are prevailant. *eyeroll*
Technically all OLWS positive horses ARE frame overos – it might just express very minimally.
The fact that overo stands for 3 differents things, one of which can be lethal, it what makes me think it is inaccurate and should be replaced by the correct specific terms.
I know registries etc. hardly ever refer to things correctly. Hell, I’m in the UK – the welsh registry technically bans all pinto patterns when splash and sabino are prevailant. *eyeroll*
If we are talking about horses not normally bred for color, here are some excellent examples of people that do in the Saddlebred industry. These links are the people that have been doing this for years and have made a good name for themselves.
http://www.palominosaddlebred.com/sales.htm
http://www.cascadecolors.com/index.shtml
I am sure you can find some bad ones out there, just due some stallions slipping through fingers before they saw the vet. There aren’t too many ASB stallions out there compared to other breeds. They have this theory going on that says a good stallion makes a great gelding. I really like that theory.
I swear we must have been separated at birth! I completely agree with your outlook on breeding and your sense of humor is dry and twisted…just like mine. Keep up the good work. I’ll be checking in daily from now on.